[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
No - I just got a message "web page cannot be found". Time for bed now. Maybe better luck tomorrow. Monica - Original Message - From: "WALSH STUART" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? The link probably does work but you have to let the whole file download before it can be played. So click on it and wait a few minutes (if you can be bothered!) I uploaded a large wav file because the mp3 version was far too quiet for some unknown reason. On 11 November 2012 20:38, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: The link didn't seem to work when I tried to listen. I'll try again later. In his catalogue Gerard Rebours says that there are "nombreuses differences". I don't have the theorbo version but I am sure he is right. S/he (probably he I'm afraid) had probably heard someone else playing it and was writing it out by ear. I don't think it needs an extravert performance. The little guitar is a delicate introspective instrument. I always think that the theorbo sounds very "in your face". Too much heavy metal bass. Monica - Original Message - From: [2]WALSH STUART To: [3]Monica Hall Cc: [4]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no ; [5]Vihuelalist Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? I couldn't resist a quick try at it: [6]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote it out? Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar. Stuart On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: <[8]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no> To: "Monica Hall" <[9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[10]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist" <[11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[12]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in [14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [15]http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 7. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 8. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 9. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 10. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 11. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 13. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 15. http://vimeo.com/53172045 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Frankly, I prefer to use the word "intimate" in place of "feeble". I would not urge extroversion... an introverted reading sounds very nice to me... This coming from somebody who habitually bangs on his guitar like a stable boy (or however that disparaging quote about the guitar goes...) cud __ From: WALSH STUART To: Monica Hall Cc: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no; Vihuelalist Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? I couldn't resist a quick try at it: [1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote it out? Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar. Stuart On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[2][1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: <[3][2]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no> To: "Monica Hall" <[4][3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[5][4]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist" <[6][5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[7][6]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[8][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in [9][8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [10]http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 2. mailto:[10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:[11]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 4. mailto:[12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:[13]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 6. mailto:[14]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:[15]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 8. mailto:[16]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. [17]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 10. [18]http://vimeo.com/53172045 11. [19]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 7. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 9. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 10. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 11. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 12. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 13. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 14. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 15. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 16. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 17. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 18. http://vimeo.com/53172045 19. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
The link probably does work but you have to let the whole file download before it can be played. So click on it and wait a few minutes (if you can be bothered!) I uploaded a large wav file because the mp3 version was far too quiet for some unknown reason. On 11 November 2012 20:38, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: The link didn't seem to work when I tried to listen. I'll try again later. In his catalogue Gerard Rebours says that there are "nombreuses differences". I don't have the theorbo version but I am sure he is right. S/he (probably he I'm afraid) had probably heard someone else playing it and was writing it out by ear. I don't think it needs an extravert performance. The little guitar is a delicate introspective instrument. I always think that the theorbo sounds very "in your face". Too much heavy metal bass. Monica - Original Message - From: [2]WALSH STUART To: [3]Monica Hall Cc: [4]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no ; [5]Vihuelalist Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? I couldn't resist a quick try at it: [6]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote it out? Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar. Stuart On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: <[8]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no> To: "Monica Hall" <[9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[10]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist" <[11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[12]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in [14]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [15]http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 7. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 8. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 9. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 10. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 11. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 13. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 15. http://vimeo.com/53172045 16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
The link didn't seem to work when I tried to listen. I'll try again later. In his catalogue Gerard Rebours says that there are "nombreuses differences". I don't have the theorbo version but I am sure he is right. S/he (probably he I'm afraid) had probably heard someone else playing it and was writing it out by ear. I don't think it needs an extravert performance. The little guitar is a delicate introspective instrument. I always think that the theorbo sounds very "in your face". Too much heavy metal bass. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]WALSH STUART To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no ; [4]Vihuelalist Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? I couldn't resist a quick try at it: [5]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote it out? Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar. Stuart On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: <[7]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no> To: "Monica Hall" <[8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[9]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist" <[10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[11]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in [13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [14]http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 4. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 6. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 7. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 8. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 9. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 10. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 12. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 14. http://vimeo.com/53172045 15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
I couldn't resist a quick try at it: [1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote it out? Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar. Stuart On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: <[3]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no> To: "Monica Hall" <[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[5]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist" <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[7]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be [10]http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:ar...@student.matnat.uio.no 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 6. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 8. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be 10. http://vimeo.com/53172045 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Arto Wikla" ; "Vihuelalist" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are > Dear Arto > > There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge > manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. > > Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of > the > whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. > > Regards > > Monica > > > - Original Message - > From: "Arto Wikla" > To: "Vihuelalist" > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? > > >> Dear "flat back" lutenists, >> >> My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be >>>http://vimeo.com/53172045 >> >> As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute >> version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version >> to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other >> specialists? >> >> best, >> >> Arto >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Hi, The first line is almost the same as the beginning of the passacaille (in e minor) on p. 42 of his 1686 book. Rgds, Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Arto Wikla Verzonden: zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:22 Aan: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear "flat back" lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be >http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Tekst ingevoegd door Panda IS 2012: Als het hier gaat om een ongevraagde e-mail (SPAM), klik dan op de volgende link om de e-mail te herclasseren: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_238&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\co nfig\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Securit y%202012\AntiSpam ---
