Dear Stuart,

   As mentioned in our recent exchange on a Losy sarabande: these French
   chaconnes are good examples of the sort of idiomatic arrangement to be
   expected from a decent professional musician at the time. Judging
   from 5 course guitar music in some (amateur?) compiled MSs (such as the
   execrable Goess Vogl - even after inserting the 'right' flags etc)
   there was an oceanic gulf between many amateur players and paid
   performers - not, it has to be said, so much apparent nowadays.

   I guess an interesting, if academic, question is which version came
   first............

   regards

   Martyn.
   --- On Sun, 11/11/12, WALSH STUART <s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

     From: WALSH STUART <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
     Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
     To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
     Cc: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no, "Vihuelalist"
     <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
     Date: Sunday, 11 November, 2012, 20:24

      I couldn't resist a quick try at it:
      [1][1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav
      The fifth and sixth couplets (?) seem quite different from the
      lute/theorbo. I wonder if the scribe was arranging it as s/he wrote
   it
      out?
      Listening to the massive, booming performances of this piece on
      youtube, on monster lute/theorbo makes the little guitar seem a bit
      feeble. Maybe it need a very extravert performance on a loud guitar.
      Stuart
      On 11 November 2012 19:33, Monica Hall <[2][2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
      wrote:
        A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's
   edition
        of De
        Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969.
        Monica
        ----- Original Message ----- From:
   <[3][3]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no>
        To: "Monica Hall" <[4][4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
        Cc: "Arto Wikla" <[5][5]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; "Vihuelalist"
        <[6][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
        Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM
        Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the
        guitar?
        It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like
        the
        recording...
        mvh
        Are
        Dear Arto
        There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the
        huge
        manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844.   It is on p.237.
        Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an
        image of
        the
        whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site.
        Regards
        Monica
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Arto Wikla" <[7][7]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
        To: "Vihuelalist" <[8][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
        Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM
        Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
        Dear "flat back" lutenists,
        My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in
        [9][9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be
           [10][10]http://vimeo.com/53172045
        As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this
   d-minor
        lute
        version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a
        version
        to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica?
   Other
        specialists?
        best,
        Arto
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   References
      1. [12]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav
      2. mailto:[13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
      3. mailto:[14]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no
      4. mailto:[15]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
      5. mailto:[16]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
      6. mailto:[17]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
      7. mailto:[18]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
      8. mailto:[19]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
      9. [20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be
     10. [21]http://vimeo.com/53172045
     11. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav
   2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ar...@student.matnat.uio.no
   4. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   5. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
   6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
   8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be
  10. http://vimeo.com/53172045
  11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  12. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Visee.wav
  13. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  14. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ar...@student.matnat.uio.no
  15. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  16. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
  17. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  18. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
  19. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be
  21. http://vimeo.com/53172045
  22. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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