[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a bit unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. It's just hard to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or b string. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM To: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear flat back lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Well - Strizich does indicate which course the notes are on with a little figure in a circle below the stave but you need a magnifying glass to read them. e.g. in the first bar the c is played on the 5th course and the a on the 3rd. He also puts in zeros to indicate open courses e.g. on line 3 in the third bar the zeros over the a and b natural indicate that they are played on the open 5th and 2nd courses. It does highlight how difficult it is to transcribe baroque guitar music coherantly. Monica Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a bit unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. It's just hard to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or b string. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM To: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear flat back lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Indeed. I'm in the day job office and can't refer directly, but I seem to remember spots/chords where it's not clear to which course/string the symbol applied. Feel free to correct me if this is not the case. Strizich is a somewhat useful...but also a somewhat odd effort. Personally, I feel de Visee is one of those few 5-course characters who loses almost nothing in use of the low A throughout. If transcribing de Visee to modern notation, I'd almost rather assume a typical modern instrument, with notes along the fifth notated as though they are along an A, as Grimes did in his guitar transcriptions for good ol' Mel Bay, de Visee included. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:39 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Well - Strizich does indicate which course the notes are on with a little figure in a circle below the stave but you need a magnifying glass to read them. e.g. in the first bar the c is played on the 5th course and the a on the 3rd. He also puts in zeros to indicate open courses e.g. on line 3 in the third bar the zeros over the a and b natural indicate that they are played on the open 5th and 2nd courses. It does highlight how difficult it is to transcribe baroque guitar music coherantly. Monica Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a bit unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. It's just hard to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or b string. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM To: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear flat back lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Well - apparently Strizich has recently done a completely new edition of De Visee arranged for 6-string guitar. I think it is published by Dobermann-Ypan in Canada but not being a 6-string person I don't have a copy of it. I do remember playing some of De Visee when I was learning classical guitar - but I didn't care for it very much that way! De gustibus non disputandum. MOnica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:18 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Indeed. I'm in the day job office and can't refer directly, but I seem to remember spots/chords where it's not clear to which course/string the symbol applied. Feel free to correct me if this is not the case. Strizich is a somewhat useful...but also a somewhat odd effort. Personally, I feel de Visee is one of those few 5-course characters who loses almost nothing in use of the low A throughout. If transcribing de Visee to modern notation, I'd almost rather assume a typical modern instrument, with notes along the fifth notated as though they are along an A, as Grimes did in his guitar transcriptions for good ol' Mel Bay, de Visee included. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:39 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Well - Strizich does indicate which course the notes are on with a little figure in a circle below the stave but you need a magnifying glass to read them. e.g. in the first bar the c is played on the 5th course and the a on the 3rd. He also puts in zeros to indicate open courses e.g. on line 3 in the third bar the zeros over the a and b natural indicate that they are played on the open 5th and 2nd courses. It does highlight how difficult it is to transcribe baroque guitar music coherantly. Monica Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a bit unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. It's just hard to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or b string. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM To: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. Monica - Original Message - From: ar...@student.matnat.uio.no To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? It has also been recorded by Rafael Andia. But I don't really like the recording... mvh Are Dear Arto There is a guitar version of this chaconne - in D minor - in the huge manuscript F.Pn Res. F. 844. It is on p.237. Someone - Stuart I think - pointed out that you can download an image of the whole of this ms. from the Bib. Nat. site. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Dear flat back lutenists, My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute version, but I have a strong memory image that there is also a version to the 5 course guitar of this Chaconne. Is it there? Monica? Other specialists? best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
