[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
Hello, I'm looking forA literatureA on the biography and the work of Mateo Sellas. Anybody that can point me to articles written particularly on him? or that deal more generally with the luthiers of 17th century Venice and FAA(c)ssen? In Italian, German, Spanish and French as well! A A A Thanks :) SImen Omang On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A A Dear Eugene, A A I also find Strizich more complicated than necessary and really only A A useful for academics interested in the period guitar who don't actually A A play the instrument - are there any? A A And I agree with what you're saying below: ie to transcribe the A A tablature into staff notation by pretending that the 4th and 5th A A courses have both strings at the lower octave. This way there's much A A less room for ambiguity and the music will sound different depending on A A which particular tuning arrangement an individual player chooses to A A employ - A in fact, a sort of staff notation tablature A A regards, A A Martyn A A --- On Wed, 21/11/12, Braig, Eugene [2]brai...@osu.edu wrote: A A A From: Braig, Eugene [3]brai...@osu.edu A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A A A To: Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A Date: Wednesday, 21 November, 2012, 21:18 A A Indeed. A I'm in the day job office and can't refer directly, but I seem A A to remember spots/chords where it's not clear to which course/string A A the symbol applied. A Feel free to correct me if this is not the case. A A Strizich is a somewhat useful...but also a somewhat odd effort. A A Personally, I feel de Visee is one of those few 5-course characters who A A loses almost nothing in use of the low A throughout. A If transcribing A A de Visee to modern notation, I'd almost rather assume a typical modern A A instrument, with notes along the fifth notated as though they are along A A an A, as Grimes did in his guitar transcriptions for good ol' Mel Bay, A A de Visee included. A A Best, A A Eugene A A -Original Message- A A From: [1][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A [mailto:[2][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall A A Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:39 PM A A To: Braig, Eugene A A Cc: Vihuelalist A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A A Well - Strizich does indicate which course the notes are on with a A A little figure in a circle below the stave but you need a magnifying A A glass to read them. A e.g. in the first bar the c is played on the 5th A A course and the a on A A the 3rd. A He also puts in zeros to indicate open courses e.g. on line A A 3 in A A the third bar the zeros over the a and b natural indicate that they are A A played on the open 5th and 2nd courses. A A It does highlight how difficult it is to transcribe baroque guitar A A music coherantly. A A Monica A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: Braig, Eugene [3][8]brai...@osu.edu A A To: Vihuelalist [4][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A A A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a A A bit A A unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. A It's just A A hard A A to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or A A b A A string. A A A A Best, A A Eugene A A A A A A -Original Message- A A From: [5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A [mailto:[6][11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On A A Behalf Of Monica Hall A A Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM A A To: [7][12]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no A A Cc: Vihuelalist A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A A A A A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition A A of De A A Visee's complete works published by Heugel in1969. A A A A Monica A A A A - Original Message - A A From: [8][13]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no A A To: Monica Hall [9][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A Cc: Arto Wikla [10][15]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; Vihuelalist A A [11][16]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:21 PM A
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
I'm not aware of any detailed work dedicated to the output of this maker - in fact, few lute or guitar makers (other than 19th century ones like Torres) have attracted research comparable to that of the famous violin makers. MH --- On Mon, 3/12/12, Simen Omang donoma...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simen Omang donoma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: EugeneBraig brai...@osu.edu, Vihuela Dmth vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 10:38 Hello, I'm looking for literature on the biography and the work of Mateo Sellas. Anybody that can point me to articles written particularly on him? or that deal more generally with the luthiers of 17th century Venice and FAA(c)ssen? In Italian, German, Spanish and French as well! Thanks :) SImen Omang On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear Eugene, I also find Strizich more complicated than necessary and really only useful for academics interested in the period guitar who don't actually play the instrument - are there any? And I agree with what you're saying below: ie to transcribe the tablature into staff notation by pretending that the 4th and 5th courses have both strings at the lower octave. This way there's much less room for ambiguity and the music will sound different depending on which particular tuning arrangement an individual player chooses to employ - in fact, a sort of staff notation tablature regards, Martyn --- On Wed, 21/11/12, Braig, Eugene [2]brai...@osu.edu wrote: From: Braig, Eugene [3]brai...@osu.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? To: Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 21 November, 2012, 21:18 Indeed. I'm in the day job office and can't refer directly, but I seem to remember spots/chords where it's not clear to which course/string the symbol applied. Feel free to correct me if this is not the case. Strizich is a somewhat useful...but also a somewhat odd effort. Personally, I feel de Visee is one of those few 5-course characters who loses almost nothing in use of the low A throughout. If transcribing de Visee to modern notation, I'd almost rather assume a typical modern instrument, with notes along the fifth notated as though they are along an A, as Grimes did in his guitar transcriptions for good ol' Mel Bay, de Visee included. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [1][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:39 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? Well - Strizich does indicate which course the notes are on with a little figure in a circle below the stave but you need a magnifying glass to read them. e.g. in the first bar the c is played on the 5th course and the a on the 3rd. He also puts in zeros to indicate open courses e.g. on line 3 in the third bar the zeros over the a and b natural indicate that they are played on the open 5th and 2nd courses. It does highlight how difficult it is to transcribe baroque guitar music coherantly. Monica Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [3][8]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist [4][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A little late to this chat, but I find the Strizich transcription a bit unwieldy in notating notes along the reentrant a at pitch. It's just hard to know whether notes in the relevant range belong along the a, g, or b string. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6][11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:33 PM To: [7][12]ar...@student.matnat.uio.no Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? A transcription of it is also included in Robert Strizich's edition of De
[VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar?
I agree. The best of which I'm aware is scattered references to scattered instruments in literature focused either on specific collections or instrument types--just a couple e-examples: http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/PluckedStrings/Guitars/Sellas/3346/DomenicoSellasGuitar.html http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/1990.103 Regarding guitars attributed to members of the Sellas family, those are often catalogued as no better than attributed to. There is also a lovely 1642 mandola/liuto catalogued by Morey by M. Sellas. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:57 AM To: Simen Omang Cc: Braig, Eugene; Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? I'm not aware of any detailed work dedicated to the output of this maker - in fact, few lute or guitar makers (other than 19th century ones like Torres) have attracted research comparable to that of the famous violin makers. MH --- On Mon, 3/12/12, Simen Omang donoma...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simen Omang donoma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: de Visee Chaconne in a minor to the guitar? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: EugeneBraig brai...@osu.edu, Vihuela Dmth vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 December, 2012, 10:38 Hello, I'm looking for literature on the biography and the work of Mateo Sellas. Anybody that can point me to articles written particularly on him? or that deal more generally with the luthiers of 17th century Venice and FAA(c)ssen? In Italian, German, Spanish and French as well! Thanks :) SImen Omang On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
