[VIHUELA] Re: Corbetta x ornament starting note

2013-01-21 Thread Monica Hall
By chance I have a recording of Antonio Ligios playing this piece and as far 
as I can tell he is doing exactly what the ornaments seem to imply...



Has anyone any thoughts about the starting note of the x ornament signs in
Corbetta's La Guitar Royal of 1671, particularly the Folia starting on
page 79? On p.9 he gives an example of a prepared appoggiatura on the
fifth line. but there are numerous places that could be confusing.


The x indicates that the auxiliary note or starting note is from above.


Examples:
P.79, line 4, measure 1: It is kind of jarring to start the trill ( I play
a couple of iterations rather than an appoggiatura when the x is on a
dotted quarter) on the upper note (B) right after a Bb in the top voice.


I think the point is that it is an A major chord and you can't play a B flat 
auxiliary note.  It must be B  natural.  The cross relations (if that is the 
correct terminology) are quite  typical of Corbetta's style.


The top line second measure of p.80 he indicates a slur f > e followed by
x. The f > e is already an appoggiatura. The only thing I can think of is
to reiterate the upper neighbor f from the e note, an upper mordant.


I think that is what is intended here..and what Ligios seems to playthe 
notes are a  f  f-e d


P.80 third line from bottom, 2nd measure: What's this about? X on a 16th
note but preceded by an appoggiatura from above or below?



From above I think -the notes are g   g-f  e.


That's my 2 pennyworth anyway.   I expect someone will contradict me.


TIA


What does TIA mean?

Regards

Monica


Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/



Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/






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[VIHUELA] Corbetta x ornament starting note

2013-01-21 Thread Ed Durbrow
Has anyone any thoughts about the starting note of the x ornament signs in 
Corbetta's La Guitar Royal of 1671, particularly the Folia starting on page 79? 
On p.9 he gives an example of a prepared appoggiatura on the fifth line. but 
there are numerous places that could be confusing. 

Examples:
P.79, line 4, measure 1: It is kind of jarring to start the trill ( I play a 
couple of iterations rather than an appoggiatura when the x is on a dotted 
quarter) on the upper note (B) right after a Bb in the top voice.

The top line second measure of p.80 he indicates a slur f > e followed by x. 
The f > e is already an appoggiatura. The only thing I can think of is to 
reiterate the upper neighbor f from the e note, an upper mordant.

P.80 third line from bottom, 2nd measure: What's this about? X on a 16th note 
but preceded by an appoggiatura from above or below? 
TIA

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/



Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/






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