[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
Thank you Matthew, Yes, I'd seen Robert Barto's exploration of the technique and also the video close up he posted in 2016 using dedillo. In fact, it was this single course finger 'strummimng' sort of technique which I'd also, with mixed success, been trying to use and which led me to consider other ways of index finger only plucking. The use of the index finger, steadied by the thumb, also seems to me to be, perhaps, related to the earlier plectrum technique where the movement is principally from the wrist rather than the finger alone (and indeed close to thumb-under play). Further, dedillo only seems to be used with single line running passages where thumb use is not required. Accordingly I thought that using a wrist action (and index/thumb plectrum) might have rather firmer historical roots - but, of course, all mere speculation since, as far as I can see, the Old Ones tell us little of the minutae of the dedillo stroke. MH __ From: Matthew Daillie To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Lute List ; Vihuela Dmth Sent: Monday, 10 July 2017, 9:45 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo You might want to check Robert Barto's articles in the LSA Quarterly and his recent workshops on dedillo. Best, Matthew > On Jul 9, 2017, at 17:04, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early > journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was > again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques evidently > reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. > Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and > second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the use > of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. > Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free > stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one > course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on > runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index > with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased > control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to holding > a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually > having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. > I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the > thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal > and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing me > false! > Martyn > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
For the record - LSA Quarterly Vol. 50, no. 3, Fall 2015 is devoted to the vihuela and includes articles by Barto and Philip Rukavina on dedillo. Monica Original Message From: hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: 10/07/2017 7:25 To: "Lex Eisenhardt", "'Lute List'", "'Vihuela Dmth'" Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Thanks Lex, This (and other clips sent to me) certainly show the index being used on its own. But to be fair, I didn't quite say it wasn't possible - merely that I found it tricky myself! And that the steadying of the index with the thumb allowed (me) improved control. It was regarding this technique that I wondered if it had been reported/discussed before ( I thought it had - but perhaps not). regards Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Martyn Hodgson' ; 'Lute List' ; 'Vihuela Dmth' Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2017, 18:05 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Look here for an example: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: zondag 9 juli 2017 17:04 Aan: Lute List; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques evidently reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the use of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to holding a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing me false! Martyn -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?= Viola da Mano
Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 10:26 CEST, "Edward C. Yong" schrieb: >Hello vihuela list, >Out of curiosity, is anyone apart from Mr Alexander Batov making viole >da mano in the Girolamo dai Libri shape, with the sharp C side cutouts >like a viola da gamba? >Thanks in advance, >Edward C.Yong http://www.anselmus.ch/fr/guitares/guitare_general.htm Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
You might want to check Robert Barto's articles in the LSA Quarterly and his recent workshops on dedillo. Best, Matthew > On Jul 9, 2017, at 17:04, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early > journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was > again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques evidently > reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. > Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and > second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the use > of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. > Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free > stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one > course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on > runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index > with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased > control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to holding > a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually > having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. > I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the > thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal > and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing me > false! > Martyn > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Viola da Mano
Malcolm Prior made one for Nigel North, Larry Brown in the States made a couple for his wife and himself and I think Javier Martinez in Spain has made at least one. Best, Matthew > On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:26, "Edward C. Yong" wrote: > > Hello vihuela list, > Out of curiosity, is anyone apart from Mr Alexander Batov making viole > da mano in the Girolamo dai Libri shape, with the sharp C side cutouts > like a viola da gamba? > Thanks in advance, > Edward C.Yong > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Viola da Mano
Hello vihuela list, Out of curiosity, is anyone apart from Mr Alexander Batov making viole da mano in the Girolamo dai Libri shape, with the sharp C side cutouts like a viola da gamba? Thanks in advance, Edward C.Yong -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
I don't recall that any of the original sources actually go into sufficient detail for us to be certain what players did in the 16th century. Therein lies the problem. Players being human beings they probably did what they found worked for them - every player would have done something different. Your suggestion seems eminently practical to me. Monica Original Message From: hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: 10/07/2017 7:25 To: "Lex Eisenhardt", "'Lute List'", "'Vihuela Dmth'" Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Thanks Lex, This (and other clips sent to me) certainly show the index being used on its own. But to be fair, I didn't quite say it wasn't possible - merely that I found it tricky myself! And that the steadying of the index with the thumb allowed (me) improved control. It was regarding this technique that I wondered if it had been reported/discussed before ( I thought it had - but perhaps not). regards Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Martyn Hodgson' ; 'Lute List' ; 'Vihuela Dmth' Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2017, 18:05 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Look here for an example: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth. edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: zondag 9 juli 2017 17:04 Aan: Lute List; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques evidently reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the use of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to holding a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing me false! Martyn -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
Martyn; If you check closely, you will notice that Mr. Maier does use the thumb to steady the index finger in the Mudarra Fantasia No.1 when playing dedillo. Gary On 2017-07-10 00:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > Thanks Lex, > This (and other clips sent to me) certainly show the index being used > on its own. But to be fair, I didn't quite say it wasn't possible - > merely that I found it tricky myself! And that the steadying of the > index with the thumb allowed (me) improved control. It was regarding > this technique that I wondered if it had been reported/discussed before > ( I thought it had - but perhaps not). > regards > Martyn > __ > > From: Lex Eisenhardt > To: 'Martyn Hodgson' ; 'Lute List' > ; 'Vihuela Dmth' > Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2017, 18:05 > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo > Look here for an example: > [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU > Lex > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Namens > Martyn Hodgson > Verzonden: zondag 9 juli 2017 17:04 > Aan: Lute List; Vihuela Dmth > Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo > Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early > journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was > again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques > evidently > reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. > Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and > second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the > use > of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. > Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free > stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one > course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on > runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index > with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased > control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to > holding > a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually > having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. > I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the > thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal > and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing > me > false! > Martyn > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU > 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo
Thanks Lex, This (and other clips sent to me) certainly show the index being used on its own. But to be fair, I didn't quite say it wasn't possible - merely that I found it tricky myself! And that the steadying of the index with the thumb allowed (me) improved control. It was regarding this technique that I wondered if it had been reported/discussed before ( I thought it had - but perhaps not). regards Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: 'Martyn Hodgson' ; 'Lute List' ; 'Vihuela Dmth' Sent: Sunday, 9 July 2017, 18:05 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Look here for an example: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: zondag 9 juli 2017 17:04 Aan: Lute List; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Vihuela technique: dos dedos and dedillo Reading the English language summary (in Lute News 117) of the early journals of the Sociedad de la Vihuela 'Hispanica Lyra', I was again struck by the different right hand plucking techniques evidently reasonably common and widespread in sixteenth century Spain. Principally the use of two right hand digits (either the first and second fingers or the thumb and first finger) ie dos dedos; or the use of just the index finger to strike the string ie dedillo. Over the years I have, unsucessfully, tried to use a sort of free stroke dedillo (similar the index finger strumming but just on one course) but find it very tricky to control the stroke especially on runs across different courses. I recently tried steadying the index with the thumb and this seems to work a lot better - much increased control and accuracy. Indeed, the position is not dissimilar to holding a plectrum between the thumb and first finger - but without actually having a plectrum which place is taken by the index finger. I seem to recall that this technique of steadfying the index with the thumb when playing dedillo was mentioned in some other modern journal and would be grateful for a reference - or my memory may be playing me false! Martyn -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nowK9J1A_MU 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
