[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations
PS: I was able to learn MuseScore very quickly after 15 years of not using a notation software, and it works well. Very happy Ralf suggested it, and John Griffiths has noticed the same thing for himself. I am really interested in some of the other programs recommended to me on this list, like Fandango, but the open source nature of MuseScore is a great plus that makes me want to mention this to my music students who are of course on a tight budget. My music school's labs use Sibelius. JN __ From: Nelson, Jocelyn Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:49 AM To: Ralf Mattes; Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations âHi Martyn, This is a great question! Short answer: I say somewhat quicker through software, and much quicker if you don't count the initial learning curve journey with software new to you, and the occasional bumps in the road (how do I delineate these voices? or beam this particular way? etc.). It's indispensable if you want to publish, and a bit easier on your ensemble mates. But for oneself, not necessarily worth it if you don't have those printing and ensemble needs, or if your score looks really good by hand. The initial setup can be an exercise in patience. Years ago, well I was getting my degree, I had to use Finale. It took me a while (several hours) to train myself using the manual, but once I did, input was definitely quicker than by hand. (This was more than 15 years ago, so don't take that as a judgment Finale now.) Since then, I have managed to get by without using notation software, because I spend most of my time here at ECU teaching music history and music appreciation classes. Like you, I've just been doing arrangements by hand for my performances. I did an album with the soprano in 2010, and we both read from the original tablature and vocal score (nice of Le Roy and Morlaye to include both) for every single number, except the last, which was my arrangement of "Tant que vivray," which I wrote out by hand; very simple. But I wanted notation software for this project because of some confusing transposition issues, and the fact that Fuenllana does not include a vocal score; the voice is the red font in the tab numbers. I'm only doing 2 songs, so I'm not investing in a midi keyboard the way Ralf recommends, but if I do a bigger project someday I would do that, because I remember with Finale how fast input can be with a keyboard. You're literally playing the music and it notates. Hope this helps, Jocelyn Jocelyn Nelson, DMA Teaching Assistant Professor Early Guitar, Music History Lute Society of America Board Member 506 School of Music East Carolina University 252-328-1255 Office 252-328-6258 Fax nels...@ecu.edu __ From: Martyn Hodgson Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:34 AM To: Nelson, Jocelyn; Ralf Mattes Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations Dear Jocelyn, One of the difficulties I personally find with these typesetting softwares is the length of time it takes to actually input the music (either staff notation or tablature), and I generally simply write out (staff notation) parts for the ensemble - often full/short scores or individual parts where necessary. So, as a relative newcomer to these, I'd be grateful for your personal feedback on how you find the time compares between inputting (via PC/laptop keyboard) and writing out the part(s) by hand? regards MH __ From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" To: Ralf Mattes Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017, 1:57 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations Thanks again, Ralf! I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to John Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a singer. He downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he is also happy to find out about this software. Jocelyn From: Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM To: Nelson, Jocelyn Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re:?=_[VIHUELA]?=_Re:?= _Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=?= Notation software recommendations=3F?=?= Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn" <[2]nels...@ecu.edu> schrieb: > Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just the way I want it now. > I'm sticking with this program because it's free and relatively easy; And it's actually Oen Source and Free Software. Even better. > at least I've figured it out and I'
[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations
âHi Martyn, This is a great question! Short answer: I say somewhat quicker through software, and much quicker if you don't count the initial learning curve journey with software new to you, and the occasional bumps in the road (how do I delineate these voices? or beam this particular way? etc.). It's indispensable if you want to publish, and a bit easier on your ensemble mates. But for oneself, not necessarily worth it if you don't have those printing and ensemble needs, or if your score looks really good by hand. The initial setup can be an exercise in patience. Years ago, well I was getting my degree, I had to use Finale. It took me a while (several hours) to train myself using the manual, but once I did, input was definitely quicker than by hand. (This was more than 15 years ago, so don't take that as a judgment Finale now.) Since then, I have managed to get by without using notation software, because I spend most of my time here at ECU teaching music history and music appreciation classes. Like you, I've just been doing arrangements by hand for my performances. I did an album with the soprano in 2010, and we both read from the original tablature and vocal score (nice of Le Roy and Morlaye to include both) for every single number, except the last, which was my arrangement of "Tant que vivray," which I wrote out by hand; very simple. But I wanted notation software for this project because of some confusing transposition issues, and the fact that Fuenllana does not include a vocal score; the voice is the red font in the tab numbers. I'm only doing 2 songs, so I'm not investing in a midi keyboard the way Ralf recommends, but if I do a bigger project someday I would do that, because I remember with Finale how fast input can be with a keyboard. You're literally playing the music and it notates. Hope this helps, Jocelyn Jocelyn Nelson, DMA Teaching Assistant Professor Early Guitar, Music History Lute Society of America Board Member 506 School of Music East Carolina University 252-328-1255 Office 252-328-6258 Fax nels...@ecu.edu __ From: Martyn Hodgson Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:34 AM To: Nelson, Jocelyn; Ralf Mattes Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations Dear Jocelyn, One of the difficulties I personally find with these typesetting softwares is the length of time it takes to actually input the music (either staff notation or tablature), and I generally simply write out (staff notation) parts for the ensemble - often full/short scores or individual parts where necessary. So, as a relative newcomer to these, I'd be grateful for your personal feedback on how you find the time compares between inputting (via PC/laptop keyboard) and writing out the part(s) by hand? regards MH __ From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" To: Ralf Mattes Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017, 1:57 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations Thanks again, Ralf! I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to John Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a singer. He downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he is also happy to find out about this software. Jocelyn From: Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM To: Nelson, Jocelyn Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re:?=_[VIHUELA]?=_Re:?= _Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=?= Notation software recommendations=3F?=?= Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn" <[2]nels...@ecu.edu> schrieb: > Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just the way I want it now. > I'm sticking with this program because it's free and relatively easy; And it's actually Oen Source and Free Software. Even better. > at least I've figured it out and I'm almost done transcribing the first song. I just ordered a numeric > keypad for my laptop to make the tab entry faster. Depending on how your brain is wired, you might not even need the numeric keypad - even with italian tab MuseScore accepts letters to enter tab. Another secret speed entry trick of mine: get a cheap midi keyboard, preferably with a few buttons (often called "drum pads") and assign note value selection to those buttons. Together with a cheap (~ 15$) food pedal attached to the midi keyboard (I use this to advance to the next chord in "manual real time input mode") this makes for super-fast tab writing. Just one hint: the note->tab postition algorythm seems to work best when you enter the notes of a chord fro