[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
No - the lute list does not do fonts! Wayne Begin forwarded message: > From: Martyn Hodgson > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar > Date: September 14, 2012 3:37:28 AM EDT > To: Monica Hall > Cc: Vihuelalist > > > Dear Monica, > > For some reason my careful placing of responses in a different typeface > doesn't seem to >work. So I'll revert to pasting your comments and my replies here: > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 and now a Lilt
Hi Stuart - If you were unhappy with a lute in the "baroque" tuning, why don't you try playing a ten course lute in the "sharp" (or "flat") tuning, like Rene Mesangeau did? tune to c d e f# g a d g b d f#. It is a lovely tuning. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tablature.cgi?Panmure-5/Pan-5-6v-7r.pdf Wayne > I used to have a Baroque lute and struggled many's the time through entirely > tuneless French courantes. > > > Stuart > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque guitar by Rob MacKillop
Actually I should qualify that by saying that I *believe* it is all by Mesangeau, and I believe that it is in his hand, not in a student's hand. One clue is the squiggle at the end of each piece - it is a stylized "M". I don't have my references with me here, but probably the CNRS volume would tell you more. Wayne Begin forwarded message: > From: "Monica Hall" > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque guitar > by Rob MacKillop > Date: March 28, 2012 12:56:17 PM EDT > To: "wayne cripps" > Cc: "Vihuelalist" > > That's very interesting. Is all the music by Mesangeau? > > > - Original Message - From: "wayne cripps" > To: "Monica Hall" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:38 PM > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque guitar > by Rob MacKillop > > >> >> >> The Panmure 5 manuscript is in a Scottish collection, but it was bought in >> France. It is the >> work of Rene Mesangeau, most likely written down by a student. In the flat >> and sharp tunings. >> >> Wayne >> >> On Mar 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Monica Hall wrote: >> >>> That's the source Rob and Stuart got the piece from. It seems it is >>> definitely Scottish. >>> >>> Monica >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" >>> To: "Monica Hall" ; "Edward Martin" >>> >>> Cc: "Vihuelalist" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque >>> guitar by Rob MacKillop >>> >>> >>>> I think it was Panmure 5. >>>> >>>> ed >>>> >>>> At 06:24 AM 3/28/2012, Monica Hall wrote: >>>>> I wonder what Jakob's source was. The version for guitarre theorbee is >>>>> much simplified - in spite of it having 5 courses plus 7 diapasons! >>>>> >>>>> Monica >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" >>>>> To: "Monica Hall" ; "Stuart Walsh" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "Vihuelalist" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:57 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque >>>>> guitar by Rob MacKillop >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Monica, >>>>>> >>>>>> The Courante in question is a tune that was played on Jakob Lindberg's >>>>>> old LP of Scottish pieces, recorded in the 80's. It is a most lovely >>>>>> piece, for 10 course lute, in transitional tuning. >>>>>> >>>>>> At 04:42 PM 3/27/2012, Monica Hall wrote: >>>>>>> It's very nice attempt. This is one of the pieces on Rob's CD. When I >>>>>>> first heard it it sounded so familiar I am sure that I have come >>>>>>> across it in another baroque guitar source. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder if anyone else recognises it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monica >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Edward Martin >>>>>> 2817 East 2nd Street >>>>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>>>>> e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com >>>>>> voice: (218) 728-1202 >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name >>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/edslute >>>>>> http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edward Martin >>>> 2817 East 2nd Street >>>> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >>>> e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com >>>> voice: (218) 728-1202 >>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name >>>> http://www.myspace.com/edslute >>>> http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >> > >
[VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque guitar by Rob MacKillop
The Panmure 5 manuscript is in a Scottish collection, but it was bought in France. It is the work of Rene Mesangeau, most likely written down by a student. In the flat and sharp tunings. Wayne On Mar 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > That's the source Rob and Stuart got the piece from. It seems it is > definitely Scottish. > > Monica > > - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" > To: "Monica Hall" ; "Edward Martin" > > Cc: "Vihuelalist" > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque > guitar by Rob MacKillop > > >> I think it was Panmure 5. >> >> ed >> >> At 06:24 AM 3/28/2012, Monica Hall wrote: >>> I wonder what Jakob's source was. The version for guitarre theorbee is >>> much simplified - in spite of it having 5 courses plus 7 diapasons! >>> >>> Monica >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" >>> To: "Monica Hall" ; "Stuart Walsh" >>> >>> Cc: "Vihuelalist" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque >>> guitar by Rob MacKillop >>> >>> Hi Monica, The Courante in question is a tune that was played on Jakob Lindberg's old LP of Scottish pieces, recorded in the 80's. It is a most lovely piece, for 10 course lute, in transitional tuning. At 04:42 PM 3/27/2012, Monica Hall wrote: > It's very nice attempt. This is one of the pieces on Rob's CD. When I > first heard it it sounded so familiar I am sure that I have come across > it in another baroque guitar source. > > I wonder if anyone else recognises it. > > Monica Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin >> >> >> >> Edward Martin >> 2817 East 2nd Street >> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >> e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com >> voice: (218) 728-1202 >> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name >> http://www.myspace.com/edslute >> http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin >> > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[VIHUELA] Re: Protocol of emails (again...)
People sometimes complain about links not working. These "References" are copies of the links that generally do work, in the first few iterations of the message, anyways. Wayne > I also get > rid of this sort of thing: > >> Ed Durbrow >> Saitama, Japan >> [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ >> [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ >> 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Renaissance Guitar (fwd)
> From: Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Is there any music (pdf or fronimo) on the web for renaissance guitar > look at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?A_Mudarra_Guitar Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] lute on the lawn
> > my 80 year-old mother lives not far from hanover new > hampshire and while driving though town one afternoon > on a recent visit to dartmouth, i happened to see a > guy sitting on a lawn outside a house in an adirondack > chair playing a lute. i was just about to yell "are > you wayne?" out the window but thought the better of > it. for one thing, if he was quick enough and > answered in the negative that would have put the ball > back - uncomfortably - in my court and left me no time > for explanations and for a second thing, i would have > been disturbing him and wouldn't have heard what he > had to say in any case. > > if that was you wayne - "hi!" Nope - it wasn't me. I don't have an adirondack chair and I am naturally surly. What's more, I can't think who it might be. Wayne > > if it wasn't - lute players seems to be pretty thick > on the ground in your neck of the woods. who do we > have to thank for that? > > heaps of admiration and very grateful for all you do - bill > > > > ___ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[VIHUELA] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As of now you can send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get on or off the early-guitar list, and you can send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send a message to other people on the list. (to get on the list, have the Subject: read "subscribe") So the Early-Guitar (as in early romantice guitar) list is up, but I still consider it in Beta. You can e-mail me directly to get the digest on sunday (taht is still in the beta test stage too) So I will see how it goes for now. I will leave the VIHUELA list as it is for now, for baroque guitar discussions. I am open to suggestions for improvements to the welcome message, especially in differentiating early romantic guitar from other genres. If you have troubles send me email directly. I might not get to it for a few hours... Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: proposed name change (fwd)
> From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 11:49 AM 9/6/2005, Wayne Cripps wrote: > >So I know a bit about lutes, but I have no clues about anything about > >baroque guitars and early romantic guitars. That means that I would > >not be in any kind of position to suggest that postings were not > >appropriate, etc. > > > > Anyone else want to start an early romantic guitar list? I am > >afraid that my system is not set up to let another person > >work in a list. It is not manager-friendly. > > > My personal preference would be to simply slightly expand the scope of the > list currently known as "vihuela," with Rob's acceptance of such. I think > he does a stellar job of it. > > Eugene > A, but you see, I do all the work. That is, I delete bad addresses from the list, check to be sure the spam filters didn't catch anyone's valis message, do any necessary programming. It was Rob's idea, and he rounded up members, but the day to day running is on my shoulders. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: proposed name change
> From: Lex Eisenhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There used to be the CGH-list, moderated (indirectly) by Matanya Ophee. > There used to be a lot of traffic. After a Big Bang the list died. I even > never unsubscribed. I'm afraid a new Romantic Guitar list will become a > battlefield. I don't want that! Mr Ophee is currently banished from my mail lists, and not having him on an early romantic list might be a loss as far as the body of information. > Who is going to decide for [VIHUELA] what is still acceptable. Baroque > guitar? (I hope so) Late 18th century? Would the 20th c be off-topic? > Lex > So I know a bit about lutes, but I have no clues about anything about baroque guitars and early romantic guitars. That means that I would not be in any kind of position to suggest that postings were not appropriate, etc. Anyone else want to start an early romantic guitar list? I am afraid that my system is not set up to let another person work in a list. It is not manager-friendly. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] another suggestion - vihuela and early-guitar
Well, so far there is not an overwhelming majority either way It seems to me that some people are specialists and some are generalists. The specialists would favor lists for each time and instrument, and the generalists would like one *big* discussion maybe? Another possibility would be to keep the vihuela list as it is (or maybe relabel it baroque-guitar) and start a "post-baroque-early-romantic" list This would be fine with me if there only turned out to be 80 players of music and guitars form this era, but if there were 400 I would not be able to keep up. (Hint - why don't some of you guys start a list yourself!) Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] other lists?
> From: "Fossum, Arthur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)... > I vote to keep it [VIHUELA]. There are plenty of other lists for > Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic. > So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home > from work to play through all the examples... > Could you tell me the names of early guitar lists or forums? It is always helpful to me if I can tell people where to go. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] proposed name change
Hi folks - There is currently a discussion on the lute list concerning Beethoven and Giuliani which really has nothing to do with lutes. I would like to move the discussion to this list, the VIHUELA list, but I would also like to change the name to something that would be more in keeping with the discussions on this list. EARLY-GUITAR is the best proposal so far. Since you folks are all charter members, I would like to put this before you. Do you think EARLY-GUITAR is appropriate, or would you rather limit it to maybe BAROQUE-GUITAR and let the early-romantic types find their own outlet? For my part, I am near to the limit of mail lists that I can manage. I have this fear that if I start an EARLY-GUITAR list that it will soon get many subscribers and take too much time and energy to manage. But I don't really know how many people are into EARLY-GUITAR compared to the mainstream of classical guitar. So I would like some help there. I am also concerned about whether early-guitar folk are more inclined to flame wars and that sort of behavior. Wayne Mail list manager To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Doizi de Velasco
Hello Lex - I bet you didn't know that a line with a single period on it is considered an "end of message" by a lot of mail systems, did you? I have put some >>'s before the dot to get it transported safely. Wayne From: Lex Eisenhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please delete last message My server (or the dartmoth robot (?) killed the last half. Here's the uncensored text - Original Message - > > P.73 - the first example doesn't match the bass line - he has written a > tenorising cadence instead. This is perfectly acceptable. Other of the > examples are similarly invertible. Hm. Is 'invertible' a good way to describe this? I'd rather say it is a compromise. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say a low A solves all theoretical incongruencies here, as with Doizi. >> . > > I really don't think so. I think he regards playing rasgado and punteado as To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
The Digest is working
Hi Vihuela fans - The [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to be working. If you would rather get all your vihuela mail in one big lump on sunday mornings, please reply to this message and I will make the arrangements. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Wayne - digest? - not quite yet
Hi Bev - No - the digest feature isn't available yet. Maybe next week. When it is you will get a copy, and then I can take your name off the "real time" list. I one wants to get the digest it is best to write to me directly. The usual subscription address is automated and I don't read that mail. Wayne > From: Bev Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Digest, to me, signifies -- > > "If you want to get all the messages at once, in one large > message, once a week, you can ask to get the digest. > Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > asking to be transferred to the digest list. It may take > a few weeks to process your request." > > I presume this is still available (I sent a request but haven't heard yet)? > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:15:20 -0500 (EST), Wayne Cripps > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Vihuela list on line - > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/vihuela%40cs.dartmouth.edu/ > > > > but note - if you want to post to the vihuela list you must > > actually be subscribed to the list, as the spam filters will filter > > out all non-subscribers. > > > >Wayne > > > > > From: "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Wayne - digest? > > > > > > Wayne, > > > > > > A couple of people have asked me if there is a digest of this list? > > > And can we have an archive page like the lute list has? > > > You have done so much for us already! > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Wayne - digest? (fwd)
Vihuela list on line - http://www.mail-archive.com/vihuela%40cs.dartmouth.edu/ but note - if you want to post to the vihuela list you must actually be subscribed to the list, as the spam filters will filter out all non-subscribers. Wayne > From: "Rob MacKillop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Wayne - digest? > > Wayne, > > A couple of people have asked me if there is a digest of this list? > And can we have an archive page like the lute list has? > You have done so much for us already! > > Rob MacKillop > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
