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All very interesting. I must confess that I find American English hard to understand. Thinking it was a must see I borrowed the DVD of "Saving Private Ryan" to find out what all the fuss was about. They often play the music from the soundtrack on Classic FM over here. Couldn't understand a word that any of them were saying - or work out what was happening either. Best Monica From: AJN [mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: 27 November 2015 20:53 To: mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; arthurjn...@verizon.net Subject: Re: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Amat Yes, they all probably started as dialects of the main language. When I was a student in Munich I often ate at a restaurant in the shopping area. To make certain spaces were available for clients, they hired an old Bavarian guy to keep watch. He had a uniform of sorts to make him seem official. We often said hello. And we'd "chat." But I hadn't the slightest idea what he was saying. And my German was quite good by then. The Bavarian dialect had a certain swing to it, and "mis-pronounced" words of the sort you noted in Portuguese. I had an American friend in Munich who could speak fluent Bavarian dialect. He had taken a course in the dialect at the Goethe Institute. I never asked him "why?" And I sometimes have difficulty with old-time Bostonians who speak with the Boston accent. They also have their own vocabulary. A frap is a milkshake with malt flavoring. a milkshake is milk and ice cream. On 11/25/15, M Hall<[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: I think Provencal rather than Basque which I believe is unique. Never tried it! As these languages move from east to west they transform into something related but different. French - Catalan - Spanish = then Portuguese. Portuguese is rather like Spanish but sounds very different when spoken. All ultimately derived from Latin I suppose. As ever Monica From: AJN [[2]mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: 25 November 2015 17:05 To: [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; [4]arthurjn...@verizon.net Cc: [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Amat Yes, the vocabulary is useful. I consulted it when I had to deal with a biography of Emil Pujol published in Catalan and also in Spanish. Catalan strikes me as being a combination of Spanish and French, perhaps like Basque. On 11/25/15, M Hall<[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: All very interesting. I have a book "Teach yourself Catalan" but I never got very far with it. The vocabulary at the end is useful! As ever MOnica From: AJN [[7]mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: 25 November 2015 15:18 To: [8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; [9]arthurjn...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Amat Dear Monica, Touche! Some years ago I was able to purchase a copy of Dom Gregori Sunyol's monumental study, *Intrduccio ala Paleografia Musical Gregoriana* (Montserrat, 1925), 410 pp. Thinking I might want to read it some day (rather than just look at the plates), I also bought a used paperback for $1.99 (used book price sticker), titled *Teach Yourself Catalan* (Norwich & Hertford, 1975). Speaking of John Ward's "spiriting away" those cittern books, I made a good investment since the Sunyol book sells today for around $365. But buying 16th century music manuscripts is, I understand, not a very good investment. One can make a better investment in the stock market. Ward's cittern manuscripts all went to the Houghton [rare books] Library at Harvard, and several are available online. So the works are more available to the public than had they been purchased by someone in England as an investment squirreled away in a bank vault. The Mathew print (a unica) formerly in the Bedford County Records office was purchased by the British Library, not Ward as Stuart thought. There's quite a story about that also. You perhaps know about it. Diane Poulton made an edition of it in the 1940s. The glass plates were at the publishing house, but a German bomb destroyed the building and they were lost. After that I guess no one had the will to start all over again. Best, Arthur On 11/25/15, M Hall<[1][10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A new book about Joan Carles Amat - the author of the earliest treatise about the 5-course guitar - has recently been published. It's Quintana I Segal`a, Joan-Xavier and others L'emprenta del monistrolenc Joan Carles Amat. L'Ajuntament de Monistrol de Monserrat, 2014. Diposit legal B-17657-2014. It's in Catalan but has lots of photos and is not difficult to understand if you know Spanish. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at
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The address given on the book itself is Ajuntament de Monistrol de Montserrat Regidoria de Cultura Pl. de la Font Gran, 2 08691 Monistrol de Montserrat T. 93 835 00 11 F. 93 828 41 63 They have a web site - in Catalan with a query form which you can fill up so that they can contact you. You could try that. The person who sent me copies is Joan-Xavier Quintana I Segala. He is the "Arxiu Municipal de Monistrol de Montserrat" i.e. Municipal Archivist. I had his e-mail but unfortunately lost it when my computer died. He speaks English and presumably Spanish if you can't cope with Catalan. Best wishes Monica -Original Message- From: mcarr...@virgilio.it [mailto:mcarr...@virgilio.it] Sent: 25 November 2015 21:47 To: mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: R: [VIHUELA] Amat Dear Monica, is the book on sale ? Do you have an address (http) ? Thanks, Michele Carreca >Messaggio originale >Da: mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk >Data: 25-nov-2015 12.00 PM >A: "Vihuela List" >Ogg: [VIHUELA] Amat > >A new book about Joan Carles Amat - the author of the earliest > treatise about the 5-course guitar - has recently been published. > > It's > > Quintana I Segal`a, Joan-Xavier and others > > L'emprenta del monistrolenc Joan Carles Amat. > > L'Ajuntament de Monistrol de Monserrat, 2014. > > Diposit legal B-17657-2014. > > > It's in Catalan but has lots of photos and is not difficult to > understand if you know Spanish. > > Monica > > > -- > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Yes, the vocabulary is useful. I consulted it when I had to deal with a biography of Emil Pujol published in Catalan and also in Spanish. Catalan strikes me as being a combination of Spanish and French, perhaps like Basque. On 11/25/15, M Hall wrote: All very interesting. I have a book "Teach yourself Catalan" but I never got very far with it. The vocabulary at the end is useful! As ever MOnica From: AJN [[1]mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: 25 November 2015 15:18 To: [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; [3]arthurjn...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Amat Dear Monica, Touche! Some years ago I was able to purchase a copy of Dom Gregori Sunyol's monumental study, *Intrduccio ala Paleografia Musical Gregoriana* (Montserrat, 1925), 410 pp. Thinking I might want to read it some day (rather than just look at the plates), I also bought a used paperback for $1.99 (used book price sticker), titled *Teach Yourself Catalan* (Norwich & Hertford, 1975). Speaking of John Ward's "spiriting away" those cittern books, I made a good investment since the Sunyol book sells today for around $365. But buying 16th century music manuscripts is, I understand, not a very good investment. One can make a better investment in the stock market. Ward's cittern manuscripts all went to the Houghton [rare books] Library at Harvard, and several are available online. So the works are more available to the public than had they been purchased by someone in England as an investment squirreled away in a bank vault. The Mathew print (a unica) formerly in the Bedford County Records office was purchased by the British Library, not Ward as Stuart thought. There's quite a story about that also. You perhaps know about it. Diane Poulton made an edition of it in the 1940s. The glass plates were at the publishing house, but a German bomb destroyed the building and they were lost. After that I guess no one had the will to start all over again. Best, Arthur On 11/25/15, M Hall<[1][4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A new book about Joan Carles Amat - the author of the earliest treatise about the 5-course guitar - has recently been published. It's Quintana I Segal`a, Joan-Xavier and others L'emprenta del monistrolenc Joan Carles Amat. L'Ajuntament de Monistrol de Monserrat, 2014. Diposit legal B-17657-2014. It's in Catalan but has lots of photos and is not difficult to understand if you know Spanish. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [6]mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ References 1. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ 6. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
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All very interesting. I have a book "Teach yourself Catalan" but I never got very far with it. The vocabulary at the end is useful! As ever MOnica From: AJN [mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: 25 November 2015 15:18 To: mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; arthurjn...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Amat Dear Monica, Touche! Some years ago I was able to purchase a copy of Dom Gregori Sunyol's monumental study, *Intrduccio ala Paleografia Musical Gregoriana* (Montserrat, 1925), 410 pp. Thinking I might want to read it some day (rather than just look at the plates), I also bought a used paperback for $1.99 (used book price sticker), titled *Teach Yourself Catalan* (Norwich & Hertford, 1975). Speaking of John Ward's "spiriting away" those cittern books, I made a good investment since the Sunyol book sells today for around $365. But buying 16th century music manuscripts is, I understand, not a very good investment. One can make a better investment in the stock market. Ward's cittern manuscripts all went to the Houghton [rare books] Library at Harvard, and several are available online. So the works are more available to the public than had they been purchased by someone in England as an investment squirreled away in a bank vault. The Mathew print (a unica) formerly in the Bedford County Records office was purchased by the British Library, not Ward as Stuart thought. There's quite a story about that also. You perhaps know about it. Diane Poulton made an edition of it in the 1940s. The glass plates were at the publishing house, but a German bomb destroyed the building and they were lost. After that I guess no one had the will to start all over again. Best, Arthur On 11/25/15, M Hall<[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: A new book about Joan Carles Amat - the author of the earliest treatise about the 5-course guitar - has recently been published. It's Quintana I Segal`a, Joan-Xavier and others L'emprenta del monistrolenc Joan Carles Amat. L'Ajuntament de Monistrol de Monserrat, 2014. Diposit legal B-17657-2014. It's in Catalan but has lots of photos and is not difficult to understand if you know Spanish. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
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Thanks a lot for that. I think that is what this person is looking for. He thought it was a printed copy of Amat's book. It does include extracts from it among other things... If they have got a printed copy as well - I would love to know. Greetings from London - where Bonfire Night is just starting with lots of fireworks. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Erwin Francisco Ruiz Valladares To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Amat Hi all. I'm not sure if Juan Carlos Pira is subscribed to the list, but I guess he knows something about that. I live in Guatemala too, but unfortunately I have a work trip on Wednesday and limited time for that reason. Anyway, you have here a thesis in spanish with title "Regla para entrastar una vihuela, sin poner cuerda ninguna, sea del tamano q fuese" that covers in general terms and with some issues the document that is in Museo del Libro, in Antigua Guatemala. [4]http://www.tesis.ufm.edu.gt/pdf/848.pdf Hope this works for you. At the other hand, I'll try to contact Juan Carlos by email. I'm sure he will help you better. Greetings from Guatemala Paco Ruiz 2010/11/5 Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> I have a query from someone who believes there is a copy of Amat's "Guitarra espanola" in the Museo del Libro in Antigua. Does anyone know anything about this. Does anyone know anyone in Antigua who might help. I understand that enquiries to the library have so far gone unanswered. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References Visible links 1. mailto:itak...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.tesis.ufm.edu.gt/pdf/848.pdf 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Hidden links: 7. http://www.tesis.ufm.edu.gt/pdf/848.pdf
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Sorry - I don't have an English translation. I can't vouch for its reliability either. But the information was apparently unearthed by one Jose Vilar who was secretary to the municipality of Monistrol - where Amat lived and worked throughout his life. Vilar published his findings in 1918 but I have never been able to trace these. Emilio Pujol presumably thought the information reliable as he has quoted most of it in his article on Amat - which is where I got the original reference from. The photos look pretty genuine and apparently there was a Plaza del Dr. Carles Amat and Amat was responsible for installing the drinking fountain. The point is that he was medical officer to the town and the monastery of Montserrat throughout his life and held various municipal offices in the town's administration which why there is so much information about him including documents which he signed. There used to be a web page with information about him too - which I downloaded. This is in Catalan. He is obviously regarded as a local hero. Whether all the documents survived the Civil War I have never been able to discover. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Martyn Hodgson To: [2]Monica Hall Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Amat Have you an English translation Monica? What's the reliability of this source? Martyn --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: From: Monica Hall <[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Amat To: "Vihuelalist" <[5]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 12:44 That should be [1]www.earlyguitar.ning.com of course. Monica - Original Message - From: [2]Monica Hall To: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Amat for anyone who is interested I have posted on my [4]www.earlyguitar.ning site a rare article about Joan Carles Amat which I think very few people have seen - at least in the English speaking world. It is the source of most of the biographical information about him. Monica -- References 1. [6]http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 2. mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:[8]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [9]http://www.earlyguitar.ning/ To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 7. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 8. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.earlyguitar.ning/ 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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That should be [1]www.earlyguitar.ning.com of course. Monica - Original Message - From: [2]Monica Hall To: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Amat for anyone who is interested I have posted on my [4]www.earlyguitar.ning site a rare article about Joan Carles Amat which I think very few people have seen - at least in the English speaking world. It is the source of most of the biographical information about him. Monica -- References 1. http://www.earlyguitar.ning.com/ 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.earlyguitar.ning/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
