I think we need to be cautious in considering them part of the same
family. I'm not sure how common a name de Gallot was at the time but
it's probable that many families with little apparent connection had
the name.
MH
--- On Sun, 20/3/11, Grzegorz Joachimiak <gjoachim...@wp.pl> wrote:
From: Grzegorz Joachimiak <gjoachim...@wp.pl>
Subject: [LUTE] Odp: Re: Other de Gallots....
To: "mathias.roe...@t-online.de" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
Cc: "l...@cs.dartmouth.edu" <l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 17:35
Dear friends,
Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 16:23 [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
napisaAA'(a):
> Dear Martyn, Grzegorz, Martin,
>
> the Gallots seemingly were quite a large family, that much seems to
be
> true ... I only tried to make clear that Jacques was the name of at
> least two members of the gang.
>
> I still have at least two questions.
>
> 1. The print of Pieces de Luth Composees sur differents Modes is more
> often than not dated ca. 1670. But if the allemande Le Bout that it
> contains, was taken from Denis Gaultier's second print, Livre de
> tablature etc., then it must be after 1672. Correct?
Probably yes. I did not examined and played these pieces.
>
> 2. If Antoine and Alexandre were often confused, then who is the
author
> of Le Canon contained in the Milleran ms.?
This is good question. But the main problem is we know not much about
Antoine Gallot's music. More evidence could be find about Alexander.
Both died before compiled Ms. Milleran (dated in among other things in
Meyer to ca. 1690), so it could be no possibilities to find there
autograph by Antoine and Alexander. But we possess traces which
indicate to Alexander: e.g. concordances, style his music and
inscriptions - there are some helpful traces to know his music. So e.g.
for Le Canon in
ms. Milleran (f. 30v) we have two concordances (
[2]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=ms&lang=deu&ms=F-Pn823&st=
0 ). One from there is very interesting: F-B279152 (p. 15). There are
inscription with Vieux Gallot. But in his time it was normal to get
pieces from others composers. When we examine others pieces by Vieux
Gallot and Alaxander Gallot we could conclude that mentioned Le Canon
could be attribute to Alexander. Result of this kind of work you could
find in mentioned OEuvres des
Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and e.g. Gallot Jacques, Pieces de Luth, ed.
FranAS:ois Lesure, Faksimile, GenA"ve 1978 (reprint). Sometimes it is
very hard to determine which one Gallot wrote some pieces even we have
this some traces, because in one source we could find attribute to one
Gallot in other source to other Gallot, like in La canon example.
But still too few evidence to could compare music by Antoine Gallot
with other composers.
>
> Mathias
And Martin, you mentiond about 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot.... par De
Gallot d'Irelande'. This article could be intersting also for you: M.
Rollin, Le "tombeau" chez les luthistes Denis Gautier, Jacques Gallot,
Charles Mouton, "XVIIe siA"cle", (1954) no. 21-22, pp. 463-79.
Best wishes
Grzegorz
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Odp: Other de Gallots....
> > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:40:26 +0100
> > From: Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: Grzegorz Joachimiak <[4]gjoachim...@wp.pl>
> > Cc: lute List <[5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Martin Shepherd
> > <[6]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
>
> >
> > What about the guitar de Gallot: Henri Francois de Gallot (ignore
the
> > computer glich below). The dates in the Ms (Oxford, Bodleian
Library,
> > Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94) suggest it was complied between 1660 and 1684
and
> > in England.
> >
> > There's also possibly even more plucking de Gallots, since on f.
128
> > is a 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot.... par De Gallot d'Irelande'
> > suggesting two more in addition to Henri Francois......
> >
> > The 'de Gallot d'Angleterre' mentioned in the Ms is probably Henri
> > Francois himself, but if not then yet another one surfaces.
> >
> > MH
> > '
> > --- On Sun, 20/3/11, Grzegorz Joachimiak <[7]gjoachim...@wp.pl>
wrote:
> > From: Grzegorz Joachimiak <[8]gjoachim...@wp.pl>
> > Subject: Odp: [LUTE] Other de Gallots....
> > To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[9]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> > [10]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> > Cc: "lute List" <[11]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Martin Shepherd"
> > <[12]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
> > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 14:17
> >
> > Dear Martin and Mathias,
> > I would like to pay your attention that Antoine Gallot who died in
> > 1647 in Vilnius was not the same person as Gallot d'Angers.
Jacques
> > Gallot (I) was NOT brother to Antoine Gallot. This is one of main
> > problem with to determine which evidence indicate to any
connection
> > between Antoine Gallot and rest of Gallot's family (apart from his
> > name).
> > Probably you confused Antoine with Alexandre so-called older
Gallot
> > (Le vieux Gallot d'Angers). Alexandre was probably Jacques
Gallot's
> > (I, so-called vieux Gallot de Paris) cousin (M. Rollin) or brother
> > (MGG).
> > Antoine Gallot was connected with Marco Scacchi's band. In his
> > appendix (Xenia apollinea) to Cribrum Musicum (Venice 1643) we
could
> > find one piece titled "Canon a 2" by "Dn. Antonij Gallot."
> > More informations about Antoine and especially rest of Gallot's
family
> > you could find in
> > M. Rollin, OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and in "Gallot"
> > entries in MGG2 and New Grove Dictionary.
> > Have a nice afternnon
> > Grzegorz
> > Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 13:58 Martyn Hodgson napisaAA'(a):
> > > Dear Martin,
> > >
> > > The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot
who
> > wrote
> > > (probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive
Ms
> > now in
> > > the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures
> > recueillis
> > > par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis
par
> > Henry
> > > FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch.
> > C.94).
> > >
> > > Martyn
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 20/3/11, [1][13]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> > > <[2][14]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: [3][15]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
> > <[4][16]mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco
da
> > > Milano
> > > To: [5][17]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08
> > >
> > > Let me try.
> > > Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine
(Gallot
> > > d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris)
> > died > around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux.
> > > Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard
(b.
> > 1654)
> > > in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He
bequeathes
> > music by
> > > his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine
Gallot's
> > > courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante
of
> > the same
> > > name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1).
> > > Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in
> > Paris and
> > > died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II)
was
> > a son
> > > to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur
> > differens
> > > Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris
probably
> > 1670)
> > > is his work.
> > > So far ...
> > > Mathias
> > > -----Original-Nachricht-----
> > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano
>
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100
> > > > From: Martin Shepherd <[1][6][18]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
> > > > To: [2][7][19]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling
us
> > > > something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the
> > printed
> > > > book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be
> > interesting to
> > > > know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also
> > guitar
> > > > music, or is that yet another Gallot?
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR|
> > > > >
> > > > > Mathias
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > >> Von: [3][8][20]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > [mailto:[4][9][21]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
> > > > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd
> > > > >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41
> > > > >> An: Lute List
> > > > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da
Milano >
> > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes, I agree!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Martin
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote:
> > > > >>> -------- Original Message --------
> > > > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da
> > Milano
> > > >>>
> > > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200
> > > > >>> From: wikla<[5][10][22]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > > > >>> To: [6][11][23]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dear baroque lutenists,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by
> > Jacques
> > > > >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is
my
> > > > subjective >>> opininion, of
> > > > >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute
> > composers -
> > > > in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and
> > such). And
> > > > what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a
way
> > tastes
> > > > same as >>> Francesco da Milano
> > > > >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing,
actually in
> > > > extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony,
extremely
> > very
> > > > well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the
> > fingers of
> > > > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment
to
> > the
> > > > ears and understanding.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses!
> > :-) >>>
> > > > >>> Recommended!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> All the best,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Arto
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > > >>>
> > [7][12][24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1.
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> > --
> >
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