[VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3)
i>>? No - I think that they might not have hired Private Musicke with a less well known singer. Maybe I am completely wrong - but I think she would be the big attraction. The other singers which they work with are not so well known over here. I was thinking a bit more about it right now. In England we seem to prefer the Emma Kirkby/choirboy kind of voice and we assume that this is how people sang in the past. Italian singers today have a different, more dramatic approach and they may actually be closer to how the Italian repertoire was performed in the 17th century. (I know that Kozena isn't Italian...) As far as the broadcast was concern the imbalence between the singer and the group may have been due to the recording. And in the end - as ever - it is a matter of personal taste and tastes differ. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]jean-michel Catherinot To: [2]wikla ; [3]Monica Hall Cc: [4]Vihuelalist Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: Re : [VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) Dear Monica, I'm not sure I understood your message correctly. Do you mean that they might have hired Private Musicke without Kozena? --- En date de : Sam 28.8.10, Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> a ecrit : De: Monica Hall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Objet: [VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) A: "wikla" <[7]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[8]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Samedi 28 aout 2010, 11h12 Interesting indeed! I though Odi Euterpe was one of the better things she sang - but I don't know it as well as some of the other songs. I listened to the whole broadcast last night. Perhaps it is simply that balence of the recording is all wrong. She is too prominent. But I though her interpretation of many of the songs was often too operatic and emotional. They did a slightly different programme in Edinburgh I guess it's the first time early music has much attention at the Edinburgh Festival too. But they might not have hired Private Musicke without Magdalena Kozuna. Who knows. Monica - Original Message - From: "wikla" <[9]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[10]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:03 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) > > Interesting! > > I just happened to hear the Private Musicke and Kozuna just before the > talks here. They happened to have the opening concert here in the > "Helsinki > Festival": Love Madrigals of the 17th century. Great! Clearly the first > time "early music" gets that much attention in this festival. > > I happened to hear the beginning of the concert's direct broadcast on my > car radio: on that time she was singing the "Odi Euterpe" by Caccini that > I > know well. Something was wrong there... Then to home with better audio. > The > program continued. Here is the list of all: > > Filippo Vitali: O bei lumi > Sigismondo D'India: Cruda Amarilli > Claudio Monteverdi: Si dolce e il tormento > Giulio Caccini: Odi Euterpe > Luis de Briceno: Caravanda Ciacona > Tarquino Merula: Canzonetta Spirituale sopra alla nanna > Gaspar Sanz: Canarios > Sigismondo D'India: Ma che? Squallido e oscuro > Biaggio Marini: Con le Stelle in Ciel > Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Felici gl'animi > Giovanni de Macque: Capriccio stravagante > Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Aurilla mia > Sigismondo D'India: Torna il sereno Zefiro > Giovanni Paolo Foscarini: Ciaccona > Barbara Strozzi: L'Eraclito amoroso > Ruiz de Ribayaz: Espanioletta > Tarquino Merula: Folle e ben si crede > > I knew most of the pieces. And have accopanied nearly all of the songs > many > times. > > I really was happy that to me so dear repertoire got so important place in > the festival, and I was as much unhappy that the performance was not > good - > well I heard only the 3/4 of the concert and on radio broadcast... But I > got the feeling that the singer did not know the meaning of the words, and > so she couldn't perhaps so much express the message of the text. And she > did not always sound very pure and clean... > > And to me the band did not make a very good impression either: If Merula's > "sopra alla nanna" is made to sound "flamenco",
[VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3)
Dear Monica, I'm not sure I understood your message correctly. Do you mean that they might have hired Private Musicke without Kozena? --- En date de : Sam 28.8.10, Monica Hall a A(c)crit : De: Monica Hall Objet: [VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) A: "wikla" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Date: Samedi 28 aoA>>t 2010, 11h12 Interesting indeed! I though Odi Euterpe was one of the better things she sang - but I don't know it as well as some of the other songs. I listened to the whole broadcast last night. Perhaps it is simply that balence of the recording is all wrong. She is too prominent. But I though her interpretation of many of the songs was often too operatic and emotional. They did a slightly different programme in Edinburgh I guess it's the first time early music has much attention at the Edinburgh Festival too. But they might not have hired Private Musicke without Magdalena Kozuna. Who knows. Monica - Original Message - From: "wikla" <[1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> To: "Vihuelalist" <[2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:03 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) > > Interesting! > > I just happened to hear the Private Musicke and Kozuna just before the > talks here. They happened to have the opening concert here in the > "Helsinki > Festival": Love Madrigals of the 17th century. Great! Clearly the first > time "early music" gets that much attention in this festival. > > I happened to hear the beginning of the concert's direct broadcast on my > car radio: on that time she was singing the "Odi Euterpe" by Caccini that > I > know well. Something was wrong there... Then to home with better audio. > The > program continued. Here is the list of all: > > Filippo Vitali: O bei lumi > Sigismondo D'India: Cruda Amarilli > Claudio Monteverdi: Si dolce A" il tormento > Giulio Caccini: Odi Euterpe > Luis de Briceno: Caravanda Ciacona > Tarquino Merula: Canzonetta Spirituale sopra alla nanna > Gaspar Sanz: Canarios > Sigismondo D'India: Ma che? Squallido e oscuro > Biaggio Marini: Con le Stelle in Ciel > Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Felici gl'animi > Giovanni de Macque: Capriccio stravagante > Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Aurilla mia > Sigismondo D'India: Torna il sereno ZA(c)firo > Giovanni Paolo Foscarini: Ciaccona > Barbara Strozzi: L'Eraclito amoroso > Ruiz de Ribayaz: Espanioletta > Tarquino Merula: Folle A" ben si crede > > I knew most of the pieces. And have accopanied nearly all of the songs > many > times. > > I really was happy that to me so dear repertoire got so important place in > the festival, and I was as much unhappy that the performance was not > good - > well I heard only the 3/4 of the concert and on radio broadcast... But I > got the feeling that the singer did not know the meaning of the words, and > so she couldn't perhaps so much express the message of the text. And she > did not always sound very pure and clean... > > And to me the band did not make a very good impression either: If Merula's > "sopra alla nanna" is made to sound "flamenco", I do not want to hear it. > Not to speak of one of the greatest pieces by Barbara Strozzi, > "L'Eraclito amoroso". That was the biggest flop in their performance; > just singing the notes and improvising kitchen flamenco around -- no idea > of the story and text, even no idea of the sober(?) passagaglia in places. > Rubbish in that piece, spoiled possibilities... > > But when that repertoire is taken to the wide public, perhaps there will > be > more gigs also to a tiny theorbist with a big theorbo... ;-) > > All the best, > > Arto > > > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:53:05 +0100, "Monica Hall" <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> > wrote: >> I am also a fan of Private Musicke and have several of their CDs. >>Magdalena Kozuna is not one of their regular singers as far as I am >>aware. >> >> >> >>I suspect that she was co-opted for commercial considerations - in >>order to sell more tickets. She is well know whereas Raquel and >>Stephan van Dyck and Marco Beasley are not - at least ov
[VIHUELA] Re: Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3)
Interesting indeed! I though Odi Euterpe was one of the better things she sang - but I don't know it as well as some of the other songs. I listened to the whole broadcast last night. Perhaps it is simply that balence of the recording is all wrong. She is too prominent. But I though her interpretation of many of the songs was often too operatic and emotional. They did a slightly different programme in Edinburgh I guess it's the first time early music has much attention at the Edinburgh Festival too. But they might not have hired Private Musicke without Magdalena Kozuna. Who knows. Monica - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:03 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Private Musicke and Kozuna (was: Foscarini on Radio 3) Interesting! I just happened to hear the Private Musicke and Kozuna just before the talks here. They happened to have the opening concert here in the "Helsinki Festival": Love Madrigals of the 17th century. Great! Clearly the first time "early music" gets that much attention in this festival. I happened to hear the beginning of the concert's direct broadcast on my car radio: on that time she was singing the "Odi Euterpe" by Caccini that I know well. Something was wrong there... Then to home with better audio. The program continued. Here is the list of all: Filippo Vitali: O bei lumi Sigismondo D’India: Cruda Amarilli Claudio Monteverdi: Si dolce è il tormento Giulio Caccini: Odi Euterpe Luis de Briceno: Caravanda Ciacona Tarquino Merula: Canzonetta Spirituale sopra alla nanna Gaspar Sanz: Canarios Sigismondo D’India: Ma che? Squallido e oscuro Biaggio Marini: Con le Stelle in Ciel Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Felici gl’animi Giovanni de Macque: Capriccio stravagante Giovanni Girolamo Kapsberger: Aurilla mia Sigismondo D’India: Torna il sereno Zéfiro Giovanni Paolo Foscarini: Ciaccona Barbara Strozzi: L’Eraclito amoroso Ruiz de Ribayaz: Espanioletta Tarquino Merula: Folle è ben si crede I knew most of the pieces. And have accopanied nearly all of the songs many times. I really was happy that to me so dear repertoire got so important place in the festival, and I was as much unhappy that the performance was not good - well I heard only the 3/4 of the concert and on radio broadcast... But I got the feeling that the singer did not know the meaning of the words, and so she couldn't perhaps so much express the message of the text. And she did not always sound very pure and clean... And to me the band did not make a very good impression either: If Merula's "sopra alla nanna" is made to sound "flamenco", I do not want to hear it. Not to speak of one of the greatest pieces by Barbara Strozzi, "L’Eraclito amoroso". That was the biggest flop in their performance; just singing the notes and improvising kitchen flamenco around -- no idea of the story and text, even no idea of the sober(?) passagaglia in places. Rubbish in that piece, spoiled possibilities... But when that repertoire is taken to the wide public, perhaps there will be more gigs also to a tiny theorbist with a big theorbo... ;-) All the best, Arto On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:53:05 +0100, "Monica Hall" wrote: I am also a fan of Private Musicke and have several of their CDs. Magdalena Kozuna is not one of their regular singers as far as I am aware. I suspect that she was co-opted for commercial considerations - in order to sell more tickets. She is well know whereas Raquel and Stephan van Dyck and Marco Beasley are not - at least over here. All them are very accomplished singers in this repertoire. So is Kozuna in the right repertoire - but the announcer did make the point that she is better know for doing other things. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]jean-michel Catherinot To: [2]Martyn Hodgson ; [3]Monica Hall Cc: [4]Vihuelalist Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re : [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini on Radio 3 I'm quite surpised by this, because that is not at all usually their stuff: and that's one of the reason why I like this band so much. Is that Magdalena Kozena's choice? They played this type of programm few weeks ago near my house with Raquel Andueza, and it was a quite wonderful concert, with both very elegant swing and dignity. Pierre Pitzl is really a preeminent baroque guitar performer on my opinion, who makes with his incredible sound easy to understand why the guitar seduced so much people during the 17th. --- En date de : Ven 27.8.10, Monica Hall a ecrit : De: Monica Hall Objet: [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini on Radio 3 A: "Martyn Hodgson" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Date: Vendredi 27 aout 2010, 11h00 Dear Martyn Yes - I agree with everything you say. I haven't listened to the whole concert yet - I got as far as the "Foscarini" piece and gave up. Maybe I will have t
