Re: Mapping german umlauts
Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
From: "A.J.Mechelynck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mapping german umlauts
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:28:51 +0200
Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
[...]
PS:
There is still a question open to me, Tony...
On a german keyboard you have to press Ctrl-AltGr-9 to jump to
a tag under the cursor, which is originally Ctrl-].
This again is bad finger-Yoga (at least for my fingers...;)
This is one reason why I wanted used the umlauts in normalmode to act
as "[","]","{" and "}" (no one needs gemran umaluts in normal mode,
so I will loose nothing...)
Unfortunately Ctrl-umlaut-a (umlaut-a is mapped to ] now...) does not
work as tag-inator. Is this one of these
certain-special-keys-cannot-be-used-in-mappings problem, is this due
to the "nnoremap" (instead of nmap...), which forbids later
re-remapping, do I have to remap this sepeartely or am I simply to
stupid ? ;)
Keep hacking II !
mcc
Mapping something to ] doesn't map anything to Ctrl-], you have to do it
separately.
On my Belgian keyboard on SUSE Linux, CTRL doesn't work with any nonalphabetic
printable key (in particular, it doesn't work with "]"). There are two solutions:
a) Use the mouse (double-clicking a help hyperlink activates it)
b) Use a mapping.
I use
:map
but of course you can use any {lhs} that suits you if you don't like F9. Since
this key has no counterpart you might for instance map ß to it, since no one
needs the eszett in Normal mode either.
Best regards,
Tony.
Hi Tony,
things are becoming better !
Using the umlauts for "{","[","]" and "}" makes things a lot easier
and far more convenient.
But there are still things I dont understand...as always...sorry...
I did the following:
" LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
noremap
" LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
noremap }
" LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
noremap {
" LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
noremap ]
" LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
noremap [
which works in normal mode. In insert mode the umlauts appears as
umlauts as it should be. But: WHY?
If I understood the according help correctly "noremap" is a short
form of "no remap". And it is not bound to any mode -- and
"_n_noremap" (for example) is bound to normal mode.
Therefore (according to my obviously wrong logic...;) the above
mapping would apply also to insert mode. But it does not (and it
should not, since the umlauts are needed in insert).
More mysteriously: Using "nnoremap" -- as I think it would make the
above mappings only to apply in normal mode -- for the above mappings
breaks everything: no "{","[","]" or "}" at the umlaut-keys in normal
mode.
The other thing what I tried was to map "every" ( "every" = what I
could find and thought it would be nice to have ) combination of
"something" and the "{","[","]","}" to combinations with the umluat
keys in the appropiate mode.
I wrote:
noremap Char-228 ]]
noremap [[
noremap []
noremap ][
which works with the "mysterious charme" as described above as far as
I could test it (normap <-> nnoremap)
Then I did:
vnoremap a[
vnoremap a]
vnoremap i[
vnoremap i]
vnoremap a{
vnoremap a}
vnoremap i{
vnoremap i}
for the motions in visual mode -- and it fails totally.
Again I got stuck.
Thanks a lot for any help in advance ! :O)
Keep hacking!
mcc
see ":help map-overview" (and don't be afraid to scroll).
":map" or "noremap" don't map to any mode, they map to Normal, Visual and
Operator-pending but not to Insert and Command-line modes. To map to both
Insert and Command-line, use ":map!" with bang (which doesn't map to Normal
etc.). In general the same {rhs} has totally different effects in Insert and
Command-line modes ("character entry modes") than in the other modes, so this
distinction is sensible.
To map two characters using <> notation, use for instance
:noremap ][
just like you would map, let's say, ":map " to move two
lines up and go to the left margin. Each <> group represents exactly one
keypress, possibly including modifiers like Shift, Ctrl, Meta and/or Alt
(and/or Command on the Macintosh).
Your vmaps are also in error. means "with the Alt modifier" and
doesn't mean anything AFAIK. Keep the a's and i's outside the <>
if you mean an actual a or i keypress.
But what's wrong with your original set of (single key) mappings? They should
produce (and more economically) the same results as all the two-key
combinations you could imagine. Oh -- and ":noremap" is not a short form of
":no remap" (the latter doesn't work), it's a variant of ":map" which forbids
remapping.
Best regards,
Tony.
Re: Mapping german umlauts
From: "A.J.Mechelynck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mapping german umlauts
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:28:51 +0200
> Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
> [...]
> > PS:
> > There is still a question open to me, Tony...
> > On a german keyboard you have to press Ctrl-AltGr-9 to jump to
> > a tag under the cursor, which is originally Ctrl-].
> >
> > This again is bad finger-Yoga (at least for my fingers...;)
> >
> > This is one reason why I wanted used the umlauts in normalmode to act
> > as "[","]","{" and "}" (no one needs gemran umaluts in normal mode,
> > so I will loose nothing...)
> >
> > Unfortunately Ctrl-umlaut-a (umlaut-a is mapped to ] now...) does not
> > work as tag-inator. Is this one of these
> > certain-special-keys-cannot-be-used-in-mappings problem, is this due
> > to the "nnoremap" (instead of nmap...), which forbids later
> > re-remapping, do I have to remap this sepeartely or am I simply to
> > stupid ? ;)
> >
> > Keep hacking II !
> > mcc
>
> Mapping something to ] doesn't map anything to Ctrl-], you have to do it
> separately.
>
> On my Belgian keyboard on SUSE Linux, CTRL doesn't work with any
> nonalphabetic
> printable key (in particular, it doesn't work with "]"). There are two
> solutions:
>
> a) Use the mouse (double-clicking a help hyperlink activates it)
>
> b) Use a mapping.
>
> I use
>
> :map
>
> but of course you can use any {lhs} that suits you if you don't like F9.
> Since
> this key has no counterpart you might for instance map ß to it, since no one
> needs the eszett in Normal mode either.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Tony.
>
Hi Tony,
things are becoming better !
Using the umlauts for "{","[","]" and "}" makes things a lot easier
and far more convenient.
But there are still things I dont understand...as always...sorry...
I did the following:
" LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
noremap
" LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
noremap }
" LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
noremap {
" LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
noremap ]
" LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
noremap [
which works in normal mode. In insert mode the umlauts appears as
umlauts as it should be. But: WHY?
If I understood the according help correctly "noremap" is a short
form of "no remap". And it is not bound to any mode -- and
"_n_noremap" (for example) is bound to normal mode.
Therefore (according to my obviously wrong logic...;) the above
mapping would apply also to insert mode. But it does not (and it
should not, since the umlauts are needed in insert).
More mysteriously: Using "nnoremap" -- as I think it would make the
above mappings only to apply in normal mode -- for the above mappings
breaks everything: no "{","[","]" or "}" at the umlaut-keys in normal
mode.
The other thing what I tried was to map "every" ( "every" = what I
could find and thought it would be nice to have ) combination of
"something" and the "{","[","]","}" to combinations with the umluat
keys in the appropiate mode.
I wrote:
noremap Char-228 ]]
noremap [[
noremap []
noremap ][
which works with the "mysterious charme" as described above as far as
I could test it (normap <-> nnoremap)
Then I did:
vnoremap a[
vnoremap a]
vnoremap i[
vnoremap i]
vnoremap a{
vnoremap a}
vnoremap i{
vnoremap i}
for the motions in visual mode -- and it fails totally.
Again I got stuck.
Thanks a lot for any help in advance ! :O)
Keep hacking!
mcc
Re: Mapping german umlauts
Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
[...]
PS:
There is still a question open to me, Tony...
On a german keyboard you have to press Ctrl-AltGr-9 to jump to
a tag under the cursor, which is originally Ctrl-].
This again is bad finger-Yoga (at least for my fingers...;)
This is one reason why I wanted used the umlauts in normalmode to act
as "[","]","{" and "}" (no one needs gemran umaluts in normal mode,
so I will loose nothing...)
Unfortunately Ctrl-umlaut-a (umlaut-a is mapped to ] now...) does not
work as tag-inator. Is this one of these
certain-special-keys-cannot-be-used-in-mappings problem, is this due
to the "nnoremap" (instead of nmap...), which forbids later
re-remapping, do I have to remap this sepeartely or am I simply to
stupid ? ;)
Keep hacking II !
mcc
Mapping something to ] doesn't map anything to Ctrl-], you have to do it
separately.
On my Belgian keyboard on SUSE Linux, CTRL doesn't work with any nonalphabetic
printable key (in particular, it doesn't work with "]"). There are two solutions:
a) Use the mouse (double-clicking a help hyperlink activates it)
b) Use a mapping.
I use
:map
but of course you can use any {lhs} that suits you if you don't like F9. Since
this key has no counterpart you might for instance map ß to it, since no one
needs the eszett in Normal mode either.
Best regards,
Tony.
Re: Mapping german umlauts
From: "A.J.Mechelynck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mapping german umlauts
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:41:22 +0200
> Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to remap the german umlauts to "{","[","]" and "}" in normal
> > mode only.
> >
> > When I type the umlauts on the commandline of my zsh there is no
> > problem.
> >
> > When I type them in insert mode in vim: no problems.
> > Therefore I /think/ (read: dont no for sure) that there should be no
> > problem.
> >
> > In my $HOME/.vimrc I wrote:
> >
> > nnoremap o [
> > nnoremap a ]
> > nnoremap O {
> > nnoremap A }
> >
> > (I replaced the umlauts with their corresponding vowels here in this
> > mail only -- just to make them displayable in any case...)
> >
> > But this does not work. With the :map command I can see the maps but
> > the umlauts looks like 8bit-something. Two of them are displayed as
> > two characters.
> >
> > Then I tried:
> >
> > nnoremap <[>
> > nnoremap <]>
> > nnoremap <{>
> > nnoremap <}>
> >
> > which results in nothing: Now the "corrupted" maps via the :map
> > command has vanished completly.
> >
> > Now I got an Error message displayed in front of my inner eye:
> > "WARNING! Idea stack underflow!"
> >
> > What can I try else ?
> >
> > Thank you very much for any help in advance !
> > Keep hacking!
> > mcc
> >
> >
>
> You should not change 'encoding' after setting your maps; and if your vimrc's
> 'fileencoding' is not your 'encoding' then it ought to have a
> ":scriptencoding" statement.
>
> Or else, you can encode it in 7-bit ASCII using notation, e.g.
>
> exe "noremap }" | " LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
> exe "noremap {" | " LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
> exe "noremap ]" | " LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
> exe "noremap [" | " LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
>
> The above should work regardless of whether your 'encoding' is Latin1, UTF-8,
> or (I think) cp1252; but if you use an 'encoding' different from your
> "locale"
> charset, you should still set 'encoding' first and define the mappings
> afterwards. (I use ":exe" wrapping here to allow a comment on the same line.)
>
> Similarly:
> Ä 196 0xC4LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
> Ö 214 0xD6LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
> Ü 220 0xDCLATIN CAPITAL U WITH DIAERESIS
> ß 223 0xDFLATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
> ä 228 0xE4LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
> ö 246 0xF6LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
> ü 252 0xFCLATIN SMALL U WITH DIAERESIS
>
> see
> :help
> :help :scriptencoding
> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0080.pdf
> etc.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Tony.
>
Hi Tony,
:)
What should I say? "Thank you so much for your kind help, Tony!"
becomes a little boring to you in the meanwhile I think, doesn't it?
:O)
Probably it is a good idea starting to collect the "Tony Files" or an
AI-help-feature for vim with command sequences like:
:Tony I-have-an-edit-problem
or
:Tony umlaut-not-working
or
:Tony
For me as a still-vim-newbie it is often difficult to analyse the
root of the "problems" I have with vim.
But hopefully this will change one day.
Boring or not: Thanks a lot for your kind help, Tony!!! :O)\+
Keep hacking!
mcc
PS:
There is still a question open to me, Tony...
On a german keyboard you have to press Ctrl-AltGr-9 to jump to
a tag under the cursor, which is originally Ctrl-].
This again is bad finger-Yoga (at least for my fingers...;)
This is one reason why I wanted used the umlauts in normalmode to act
as "[","]","{" and "}" (no one needs gemran umaluts in normal mode,
so I will loose nothing...)
Unfortunately Ctrl-umlaut-a (umlaut-a is mapped to ] now...) does not
work as tag-inator. Is this one of these
certain-special-keys-cannot-be-used-in-mappings problem, is this due
to the "nnoremap" (instead of nmap...), which forbids later
re-remapping, do I have to remap this sepeartely or am I simply to
stupid ? ;)
Keep hacking II !
mcc
Re: Mapping german umlauts
Meino Christian Cramer wrote:
Hi,
I want to remap the german umlauts to "{","[","]" and "}" in normal
mode only.
When I type the umlauts on the commandline of my zsh there is no
problem.
When I type them in insert mode in vim: no problems.
Therefore I /think/ (read: dont no for sure) that there should be no
problem.
In my $HOME/.vimrc I wrote:
nnoremap o [
nnoremap a ]
nnoremap O {
nnoremap A }
(I replaced the umlauts with their corresponding vowels here in this
mail only -- just to make them displayable in any case...)
But this does not work. With the :map command I can see the maps but
the umlauts looks like 8bit-something. Two of them are displayed as
two characters.
Then I tried:
nnoremap <[>
nnoremap <]>
nnoremap <{>
nnoremap <}>
which results in nothing: Now the "corrupted" maps via the :map
command has vanished completly.
Now I got an Error message displayed in front of my inner eye:
"WARNING! Idea stack underflow!"
What can I try else ?
Thank you very much for any help in advance !
Keep hacking!
mcc
You should not change 'encoding' after setting your maps; and if your vimrc's
'fileencoding' is not your 'encoding' then it ought to have a
":scriptencoding" statement.
Or else, you can encode it in 7-bit ASCII using notation, e.g.
exe "noremap }" | " LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
exe "noremap {" | " LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
exe "noremap ]" | " LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
exe "noremap [" | " LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
The above should work regardless of whether your 'encoding' is Latin1, UTF-8,
or (I think) cp1252; but if you use an 'encoding' different from your "locale"
charset, you should still set 'encoding' first and define the mappings
afterwards. (I use ":exe" wrapping here to allow a comment on the same line.)
Similarly:
Ä 196 0xC4LATIN CAPITAL A WITH DIAERESIS
Ö 214 0xD6LATIN CAPITAL O WITH DIAERESIS
Ü 220 0xDCLATIN CAPITAL U WITH DIAERESIS
ß 223 0xDFLATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
ä 228 0xE4LATIN SMALL A WITH DIAERESIS
ö 246 0xF6LATIN SMALL O WITH DIAERESIS
ü 252 0xFCLATIN SMALL U WITH DIAERESIS
see
:help
:help :scriptencoding
http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0080.pdf
etc.
Best regards,
Tony.
Mapping german umlauts
Hi,
I want to remap the german umlauts to "{","[","]" and "}" in normal
mode only.
When I type the umlauts on the commandline of my zsh there is no
problem.
When I type them in insert mode in vim: no problems.
Therefore I /think/ (read: dont no for sure) that there should be no
problem.
In my $HOME/.vimrc I wrote:
nnoremap o [
nnoremap a ]
nnoremap O {
nnoremap A }
(I replaced the umlauts with their corresponding vowels here in this
mail only -- just to make them displayable in any case...)
But this does not work. With the :map command I can see the maps but
the umlauts looks like 8bit-something. Two of them are displayed as
two characters.
Then I tried:
nnoremap <[>
nnoremap <]>
nnoremap <{>
nnoremap <}>
which results in nothing: Now the "corrupted" maps via the :map
command has vanished completly.
Now I got an Error message displayed in front of my inner eye:
"WARNING! Idea stack underflow!"
What can I try else ?
Thank you very much for any help in advance !
Keep hacking!
mcc
