Re: Vim website hosting
You're right of course. I also agree with the "vendor lock-in" argument. Regards -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vim website hosting
On Mi, 28 Mär 2018, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > What is actually needed? Couldn't the vim homepage to without the > > plugins directory. Github supports labels (e.g. vim-plugin) to mark a > > repo as a vim plugin. What else do you need dynamic scripts for? I am not sure I understand the remark about marking/labeling a plugin and how that is helping us here. Remember there are still many plugins available, that are not hosted at github. But for once, it would be a shame to lose all the old uploaded scripts, karma rating, etc. and currently at least the news items besides the scripts are stored in a database and probably a bunch of other stuff is as well. Third, who is going to translate the current information that is stored in php files into markdown/static html files? That will be a whole bunch of work. Next, I am sure, everybody has his favorite website hosting vendor. But such a topic has so much bike shedding value, that we can discuss this for months without even reaching a consensus. So in the end it comes to Bram to make the final decision and then someone has to do the actual work. And finally I am not sure, that making us rely on another single vendor again is such a clever move now. Github is the sf.net from today. Once we depend on it, it will make moving to somewhere else even harder. And who thought that sf.net would become so bad 20 years ago? > There is no point in having this discussion, since overhauling the > website is out of scope. As in: it may happen some day, but not now. Having said all that, I am sure it would be appreciated if someone would step up and volunteer to redesign the website. But as implied above it will be a whole bunch of work (without anything to gain anything personally except some fame) and a redesign will be even more controversial. I remember there was discussion about it in the past, but I don't think anything actually happened. Best, Christian -- Alte Narren sind närrischer als junge. -- François de La Rochefoucault -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vim website hosting
SourceForge used to be great, but that was so long ago we can barely remember. Github would be my preference, too. -- "Never, never, never give up" - Winston Churchill -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vim website hosting
> > > What about Github pages? > > > > > > https://pages.github.com/ > > This also was my first though. > > > Sorry, we don't want to discuss other hosting services now and github > > pages does not allow to run dynamic scripting pages which is what we > > need. > > What is actually needed? Couldn't the vim homepage to without the > plugins directory. Github supports labels (e.g. vim-plugin) to mark a > repo as a vim plugin. What else do you need dynamic scripts for? There is no point in having this discussion, since overhauling the website is out of scope. As in: it may happen some day, but not now. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 79. All of your most erotic dreams have a scrollbar at the right side. /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ an exciting new programming language -- http://www.Zimbu.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vim website hosting
> > What about Github pages? > > > > https://pages.github.com/ This also was my first though. > Sorry, we don't want to discuss other hosting services now and github > pages does not allow to run dynamic scripting pages which is what we > need. What is actually needed? Couldn't the vim homepage to without the plugins directory. Github supports labels (e.g. vim-plugin) to mark a repo as a vim plugin. What else do you need dynamic scripts for? Regards -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vim website hosting
On Mi, 28 Mär 2018, Eustáquio Rangel wrote: > What about Github pages? > > https://pages.github.com/ > > As the Vim repository is hosted also there, maybe it's a good choice. Sorry, we don't want to discuss other hosting services now and github pages does not allow to run dynamic scripting pages which is what we need. Best, Christian -- Geographie ist Schwerkraft mit Bäumen drauf -- P. Terry -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Vim website hosting
Hello Vimmers, The Vim website has been hosted on SourceForge for a long time. It has had its up and downs. Two years ago it was taken over and put under new management, you can read about that on Ars Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/under-new-management-sourceforge-moves-to-put-badness-in-past/ Recently there was a long outage, related to a datacenter move. This triggered looking for an alternative and we ended up with trying out OSDN. Thanks to Christian Brabandt for doing this work! So now we have two sites: https://www.vim.org on SourceForge https://vim8.org on OSDN Note that changes on vim8.org will be wiped out, no matter what happens. Please only forward the URL including this note! It does look like SourceForge got better after the move. They now also fully support https on our vhost. Note that the "www" prefix has nothing to do with SourceForge, please ignore that for this discussion. OSDN works a lot like SourceForge, but it's hosted in Japan. You might notice a bit more latency. Otherwise I haven't heard anything negative about OSDN. We need to make a choice: Where shall we host www.vim.org? Opinions? -- If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four tellers? /// Bram Moolenaar -- b...@moolenaar.net -- http://www.Moolenaar.net \\\ ///sponsor Vim, vote for features -- http://www.Vim.org/sponsor/ \\\ \\\ an exciting new programming language -- http://www.Zimbu.org/// \\\help me help AIDS victims -- http://ICCF-Holland.org/// -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
