Re: Success with a Powerbook 520c
MPW was pretty much the defacto standard as far as anyone I knew with very opinionated+passionate Think-C developers somewhere in distant second! :-) I believe ThinkC was cheaper. MPW and the ETO services were a bit pricey. I got what I needed while I worked at Ample Computer while ETO subscriptions cost me very little. I learned MPW and went to Everex + Broderbund where we of course used MPW. MPW reproduced a good amount of UNIX functionality at the shell level. Various folks often wrote "missing unix tools" for it... which is why I tried A/UX 2.0, 3.0 and then migrated to NeXT... which amazingly, as I and many others predicted around 1990, somehow became the Mac's new OS. MPW really only worked well on IIfx machines and faster. It was ok on the SE30 too. Anything less and it just took forever to build anything. That was one reason why folks used ThinkC/Pascal... that toolset allowed you to rapid-prototype modest software more simply on a lesser machine. MPW was fun tho'. I was just glad someone paid me to use it coz it required lots of (fun, engineer-oriented) tinkering. The complexity of C++ fit MPW perfectly, making everything exponentionally more complex to code up but also opening up more possibilities as it (C++) deployed. C++ shipped initially as a front-end compiler which the Think-C people hated (?) as I recall. All those daily wars are documented in the old newsgroups! OK so daily in the usenet groups from ~1988-1992 timeframe there were constantly MPW vs ThinkC/Pascal wars. Pretty severe + very jarring when I first read the threads... trying to figure out which platform to get into. As an aside somewhere I have a copy of Objective-C for MPW for Mac OS 6+7. MPW supported C, Pascal, C++ and a lot of then-oddball languages. The Macitnosh Toolbox (apis) were all in Pascal so there was always extra foo left lying around the code. At Broderbund we also used Macromind Director. These were when I was there anyway a hacked subset of animation tools a few guys there had built in MPW. They could take Macromind Director files and play them back. An interesting, tho' dangerous approach. I had forgotten everything about this subject until you guys mentioned it. Thanks. I think. :-o Oh when I tried CodeWarrior I determined never to code on the mac again! A "Think C" type approach would have been popular about the time CodeWarrior shipped I think. NeXTStep and Newton were straightforward to program on... but the Mac. Yikes. Fewer customers (at that time) and always more complexity in writing app software. Thomas On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 6:42:53 AM UTC-7, Charlie Eddy wrote: > > that's pretty interesting > > it would be nice to know how developers developed > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:41 AM Jonathan Morton > wrote: > >> > > MacOS 8+9 wasn't based on the Mach Microkernel so there is no >> "Terminal." >> > >> > I've never used a system without a shell. Is there one? >> >> Not in a standard installation, no. >> >> There's MacsBug, which is a debugger, not really an independent CLI. >> >> There's AppleScript, which is a scripting language, not a CLI. >> >> And there was an advanced development environment, the name of which I >> forget right now, which was modular and shell-based and generally a little >> bit unixy. Most ordinary Mac users would be completely at sea if faced >> with it. >> >> Beyond that, the Mac really was designed to do everything in the GUI. >> It's an idea worth getting used to. >> >> - Jonathan Morton >> >> -- >> -- >> - >> You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs >> group. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to vintag...@googlegroups.com >> >> To leave this group, send email to vintag...@googlegroups.com >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs >> >> Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Vintage Macs" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vintag...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
Well I would like some way to contact you. If you have Discord, I am readily available at superstar64 #4182. I will also contact you through Email if possible. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
Contact me off thread and I may have what you could use. M Black > On Apr 6, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > > Location > > -Original Message- > From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com On Behalf > Of superstar64 > Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 4:00 PM > To: Vintage Macs > Subject: Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted > > Not exactly sure what you mean by “your 20”. Please clarify > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave > this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
I don’t like to publicly give away my EXACT location, but I live in the Northeast Ohio area. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
Location -Original Message- From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of superstar64 Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 4:00 PM To: Vintage Macs Subject: Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted Not exactly sure what you mean by “your 20”. Please clarify -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
Not exactly sure what you mean by “your 20”. Please clarify -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
What's your 20 ?Bernie, Seattle -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Vintage Power Macintosh wanted
Is anyone able to sell me a Power Macintosh 9600, 8600, 5400, 5500, or G3 beige tower? I tried eBay but when I found a G3 for cheap, someone just HAD to bid $100 because apparently the world is ending and it’s the last one in existence despite not having a hard drive. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
