Re: Tilt/Swivel Base for 13" AppleColor Monitor?
Nice pics - classic machine - I still have my working Quadra 800 (with Sonnet PPC card) but not as clean as yours!! Tim Martin *124e Lyham Road* *Clapham Park* *London SW2 5QA* * t 0208 671 4621* e timjomar...@gmail.com m 0793 2142 793 On 4 November 2016 at 07:45, Dylan McDermond <dy...@mcdermond.net> wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Justin Teague <justintea...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do these actually exist? > > > Yep. Here’s mine: > > http://applefool.com/applefool/Quadra_840av.html#3 > > - Dylan > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscribe@ > googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ > group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ADB KVM Switch?
Thanks for that experience Greg Eshelman - maybe I won't risk my venerable wallstreet or quadra 800 on this experiment. the wikipedia page on Apple Desktop Bus - penultimate section describes the 'apparently randomly swapping' if both CPU's were sending out polling calls ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus Tim Martin *124e Lyham Road* *Clapham Park* *London SW2 5QA* * t 0208 671 4621* e timjomar...@gmail.com m 0793 2142 793 On 6 February 2016 at 22:56, 'Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs < vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 2/6/2016 12:06 PM, Tim Martin wrote: > > I cannot remember ever daisychaining two macs to the same keyboard and >> mouse. You provoke me to a test. >> > > I once connected an ADB cable between two old Powerbooks. The results were > that they'd swap apparently randomly back and forth with the trackball on > one controlling the pointer on the other. > > Why did I do that? It was in the very early days of my Macintosh > experience and the ADB symbol looked to me like it could be for networking. > "Hrmmm, Appletalk port maybe?" > > At least nothing got fried! > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ADB KVM Switch?
If my memory is correct you didn't need switches since ADB was daisychainable theoretically up to 128 devices all/most keyboards had two sockets I have the old Kensington TrackBall which has two sockets. I do remember some Apple video switches but I never bought or used one - possibly because I thought them prohibitively expensive. Almost all macs had two ADB ports as standard. I remember doing jokey demonstrations for students with 3 or 4 keyboards plugged in and more than one pointing device ... all on one device for collaborative editing !!! I cannot remember ever daisychaining two macs to the same keyboard and mouse. You provoke me to a test. I don't remember ever seeing an ADB switch. I still use the Griffin USB to ADB converter when using my old 4-button Kensington Turbo Mouse with modern machines. ADB protocols continued to be available in machines with no ADB ports - the trackpads on the first 17" Powerbook was internal ADB and ADB worked in OSX. Tim Martin *124e Lyham Road* *Clapham Park* *London SW2 5QA* * t 0208 671 4621* e timjomar...@gmail.com m 0793 2142 793 On 6 February 2016 at 17:06, Wesley Furr <wes...@megley.com> wrote: > Were KVM (Keyboard/Video/Mouse) switches ever common for older Mac's with > ADB and DB-15 video? I've got a 4-port PS/2 VGA KVM switch on my PC at > home, and I have an ADB/DB15 to PS2/VGA adapter that works with it...but I > would like to have the ability to hook up or two Mac's as well...long > story, but would be nice if I could switch the Mac's on the ADB/DB15 side. > Just searched a bit on ebay and couldn't find anything, which was kinda > surprising. Does anyone have any insight? maybe I just didn't come up > with the right search phrase? Or maybe they just weren't a common item? > > Thanks, > > Wesley > > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Vintage Mac Recommendation
I have many old macs but the three machines I have kept for legacy access are my Quadra 800, a Wallstreet 292 and a Quicksilver 2002 each of which I have upgraded and maxed out to enable access to almost any conceivable legacy drives and operating systems running native ... Anything that requires systems older than 7.1 - I run in emulators like Sheepshaver. My experience varies but I find going back to the Quadra so slow now ... I prefer to run the software in emulation on faster machines ... The Quadra has a Sonnet PPC card so it thinks its a 110 MHz PPC - its reboot switchable back to 68040 33Mz. And so will run 7.1 upwards to 8.6. Internal bays for scsi and external daisy chain - mine has a 2GB scsi Jaz drive internal as well as DVD/CD writer. The Wallstreet feels much faster and still quite modern and can run 8.1 through 10.4 - I fitted 512Mb of memory and the Sonnet G4 500 CPU upgrade - again its got the direct scsi chain port and has zip drive/floppy drive modules as well as CD player ... It's primary limitation is the amount of HD space it can access for an OS X booting volume - only first 8GB of a 30 GB Internal The Quicksilver 2002 had a Sonnet Duet 2x 1.8Ghz PPC G4 CPU upgrade and a PCI SCSI card and Sata(bootable) Sonnet Card and USB2 and Firewire 800 card so is a very fast capable transfer machine with a 2TB Sata drive and size unlimited ATA bus and will boot native into OS 9 or OS X up to 10.5 Leopard (not Snow Leopard) with a Radeon display card it ran my Cinema HD nicely too. These three machines have covered most needs for backward compatibility over the years and because of the upgrades held their own against later machines for quite some time - but I cannot say the upgrade costs could be justified and nowadays are almost unobtainable at any price. My current machines are a MacMini 2Core 2.7 i7 mid 2011 ... which despite starting out with 10.7 downgrades nicely to run Snow Leopard very stably - creating a bridge back to legacy PPC software - which Rosetta runs flawlessly ... so I have 10.6.8 on one internal HD and Yosemite 10.10.5 and El Capitan 10.11 on a 4TB external Thunderbolt Goflex Adaptor I also have a 4TB Seagate USB3 drive which I use with the MacMini as bootable back up and a link disk since it boots Snow Leopard and Yosemite on MacMini and my USB only (G) 13 MacBook5,1 Core 2 Duo 2 GHz. One option that might help you if you can find it is the SCSI to FIrewire SCSIBee (?) box which enables scsi drives to be connected to FireWire - I have run my SCSI 2GB External Jaz Drive off my MacMini that way - and it worked before with the QuickSilver 2002 and the Wallstreet (with a FireWire PCBus Card) - [but no booting through Firewire on the Wallstreet but then its got native IDE internal and SCSI on the rear port]. These are my absolute classic macs - and they cover most of the connectivity and access issues with old media, OS’s and software that I’ve had to deal with ... I've hung on to a bunch of old drive enclosures so internals can become externals - but the new cheap TB drives and SATA on Thunderbolt will take some beating ... and its really time to organise all that legacy stuff by processor, by OS, by application software and by useage ... Don’t know if any of the above is helpful but the above is a practical distillation down from a lot of other stuff - I use to be responsible for some extensive educational training suites trying to maintain the evolving industrial state of the art as standard. Its surprising how often legacy access issues come up. Good luck and best wishes. Tim Martin *124e Lyham Road* *Clapham Park* *London SW2 5QA* * t 0208 671 4621* e timjomar...@gmail.com m 0793 2142 793 On 18 August 2015 at 20:08, theonetruestick...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Joel Buchanan jebm...@gmail.com wrote: ... So the goal is to get a mac that I can easily swap the scsi hard drives and run the OS already on the old drives, probably OS7 or OS8. I have been looking at cheap Quadra 650's on eBay and craigslist. Question - Is there a different vintage mac, perhaps all in one, that would allow easy swap ability of the scsi hard drives? That way I may not have to find an old dinosaur monitor too? If I recall correctly the all-in-one machines switched to an ATA disk around the change to PPC processors, but I think still had SCSI... so they may work but check carefully. I think I have a Performa 5260 somewhere I should dig out for reference. It sounds to me like the later 68K macs (Quadra Centris) or an early PowerMac would fit your needs well. They will all still have a SCSI bus and should boot your disk or use multiple disks fine, and run OS 7 or OS 8 as needed. (Obviously check the specific machine capabilities, I'm generalizing.) A Pizza Box mac like the Performa 4xx might work as well, at least OS 7, and would save some space. A Mac II series machine will also work fine for OS7, but probably not with OS8
Re: AEK II [was: iMate battery life?]
On 28 May 2012 14:15, Koralatov li...@koralatov.com wrote: Does the iPhone/Pad have a Dvorak option? I had a quick look, but couldn't see one in the settings. Strangely - apparently not as yet! My partner has only found a DV layout that works within one app - not iPhone(4S) wide! Tim Martinhttp://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/staff/foundation_staff/tim_martin e timjomar...@gmail.com 17 1GHz AL Powerbook G4 (Leopard) | 2.7 GHz MacMini i7 c/w 23 Cinema HD (Lion) Powerbook G3 Series Wallstreet - (now G4 500 Sonnet) (Tiger) | Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 - now Sonnet Duet 1.8 GHz (Leopard) | Quadra 800 - (8.6) (now Sonnet PPC 100 MHz) On 28 May 2012 14:15, Koralatov li...@koralatov.com wrote: Does the iPhone/Pad have a Dvorak option? I had a quick look, but couldn't see one in the settings. -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: iMate battery life?
Keyboard power on or soft-power start is really useful if you've got a big noisy box like an old maxxed out Quicksilver (I think my Sonnet dual 1.8 Ghz QS2002 must be one of the fastest native OS 9 machines going) and have moved it off/or under your desk or into an adjacent sound deadening cupboard. Definitely one of the features I'd vote Apple should bring back - if you can shut down from the keyboard - why can't you start up!? It doesn't seem logical Captain. I hope someone's going to tell me there's a keyboard shortcut I've missed these last ten years! And which was the last soft-power start up Mac? Seems it might be similar to the scheduled startup features that required a Macintosh G3 or G4 made before September 2002, or iMac made before September 2000. This might also explain why so few of us knew about that battery in the iMate, if it's sole function was to enable the keyboard 'soft start' trigger, those machines are getting old that could respond to it! Tim Martinhttp://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/staff/foundation_staff/tim_martin e timjomar...@gmail.com 17 1GHz AL Powerbook G4 (Leopard) | 2.7 GHz MacMini i7 c/w 23 Cinema HD (Lion) Powerbook G3 Series Wallstreet - (now G4 500 Sonnet) (Tiger) | Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 - now Sonnet Duet 1.8 GHz (Leopard) | Quadra 800 - (8.6) (now Sonnet PPC 100 MHz) -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: iMate battery life?
Popped my ten year old iMate open for the first time yesterday - tested the battery - removed it read 2.2v. Before this thread I never new there was a battery in it! Tim Martinhttp://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/staff/foundation_staff/tim_martin e timjomar...@gmail.com 17 1GHz AL Powerbook G4 (Leopard) | 2.7 GHz MacMini i7 c/w 23 Cinema HD (Lion) Powerbook G3 Series Wallstreet - (now G4 500 Sonnet) (Tiger) | Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 - now Sonnet Duet 1.8 GHz (Leopard) Quadra 800 - (now Sonnet PPC 100 MHz) -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: iMate battery life?
I can now confirm that having used my daughter's Quicksilver 2002, the iMate battery enables (or lack of it disables) the ability to start the machine from the AK II power on button. Once the machine is running the presence of the battery doesn't seem to matter - which may explain it's long life!! Tim Martinhttp://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/staff/foundation_staff/tim_martin e timjomar...@gmail.com 17 1GHz AL Powerbook G4 (Leopard) | 2.7 GHz MacMini i7 c/w 23 Cinema HD (Lion) Powerbook G3 Series Wallstreet - (now G4 500 Sonnet) (Tiger) | Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 - now Sonnet Duet 1.8 GHz (Leopard) Quadra 800 - (now Sonnet PPC 100 MHz) -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: iMate battery life?
You might have to hold your breath on the keyboard recognition permanence - as I'm going to be a bit busier - can someone else test this? Tim Martinhttp://www.cityandguildsartschool.ac.uk/staff/foundation_staff/tim_martin e timjomar...@gmail.com 17 1GHz AL Powerbook G4 (Leopard) | 2.7 GHz MacMini i7 c/w 23 Cinema HD (Lion) Powerbook G3 Series Wallstreet - (now G4 500 Sonnet) (Tiger) | Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002 - now Sonnet Duet 1.8 GHz (Leopard) | Quadra 800 - (8.6) (now Sonnet PPC 100 MHz) -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: AEK II [was: iMate battery life?]
I spray painted one of my keyboards to add new legends! Tim Martin *124e Lyham Road* *Clapham Park* *London SW2 5QA* * t 0208 671 4621* e timjomar...@gmail.com m 0793 2142 793 On 11 May 2012 14:20, Koralatov use...@koralatov.com wrote: Hi James, On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 08:09, James Fraser wrote: Do you (or someone reading this) have a sideview picture of the keycaps? The keycaps are of varying depths-thing is a new one on me (at least, in conjunction with the AEK II) and I can't get to my own AEK IIs right now to start yanking keys off them in order to see what it is you're referring to. A view of the top and bottom of the keys: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**38783918/mailing-lists/keys-**top.jpghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/38783918/mailing-lists/keys-top.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/**38783918/mailing-lists/keys-**bottom.jpghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/38783918/mailing-lists/keys-bottom.jpg Apologies for the truly filthy state of those keys. They’re from a spare AEKII I got as a freebie that I subsequently took apart for the switches inside. I kept the keys “just in case”, but never got around to cleaning them since I haven’t needed them. Some of the keys don’t actually vary in depth: the length of the stem that attaches to the switch varies, which accounts for the difference. Maybe it's just me, but I'm puzzled as to why Apple didn't build the AEK II in such a way that keycaps of varying depths -weren't- required. Requiring keycaps of different depths must have complicated the manufacturing process for the keycaps quite a bit, what with at least 3 different key depths being necessary. I’d count it as five, since there are five rows. Possibly six, if the function keys were of a different height yet again. I don’t imagine it made manufacture too difficult: just six moulds, then dye-sub the legends onto the appropriate keys. Still, it *would* make more sense from a cost basis to have them all the same size. I mean, the Apple Extended Keyboard was, more or less, Apple's answer to IBM's venerable Model M keyboard that sold with the Personal System/2 machines (which also came out in 1987). Yet the keycaps on the Model M are of exactly the same height and coverting a qwerty Model M to a Dvorak layout doesn't result in a bumpy keyboard: http://www.pigdog.org/model_m_**retrofit.htmlhttp://www.pigdog.org/model_m_retrofit.html The difference is that the Model M has a curved backplate, which raises the same-height keys to different levels, whereas the AEKII *doesn’t* have a curved backplate: the switches are mounted directl on the PCB, which is a flat surface. (The Model M is a truly excellent keyboard as well, though I’m so used to my AEKII that I prefer the feel of its ALPS switches to the M’s buckling springs.) Did Apple ever offer a Dvorak version of the AEK/AEKII? Or were Dvorak users never given a choice but to go the bumpy route if they wanted such a layout? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. I’ve definitely never seen one for sale, though I imagine Dvorak users would hold onto them like they were gold-dust since, if they *did* exist, they’re much rarer than the regular QWERTY layout. Whilst googling it, I came across a how-to for a DIY Dvorak layout on an AEKII, which further reinforces my conclusion that they didn’t make one: http://boredzo.org/blog/**archives/2007-02-03/how-i-**learned-dvorakhttp://boredzo.org/blog/archives/2007-02-03/how-i-learned-dvorak Once you know a layout well enough, you don’t really need to look at the keyboard anyway, so maybe Dvorak users just made do with QWERTY layouts to avoid the “bumpy” problem? -- Mike | http://koralatov.com 15.4″ ‘Penryn’ MacBook Pro 2.66 | 20″ iMac G4 ‘Key Lime’ iBook G3 466 | G4 Cube 500 -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/**vintagemacs.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com vintage-macs%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/vintage-macs http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http
Re: iMate battery life?
Nearly ten years of occasional use and I never realised there was a battery in it!! Still going - maybe that's why you had so few replies – we didn't know we had batteries!! I hope the Lithium battery in my pacemaker lasts as long!! (I'm told it wont). I've had a Griffin iMate since at least 2003 and still use it for ADB Trackballs and plugging in the occasional ADB Qwerty keyboard I use in setting up other operating systems – native or virtual that don't configure for Dvorak layouts out of the box/at startup (I still have and occasionally use a couple of ADB Apple Extended Keyboard II's – 1 qwerty and one 'bumpy ploughed field' reconfigured dvorak layout keycaps!) Tim Martin -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
Re: Original graphic demos
Do you mean the introduction to the Mac interface called Mac Basics? Tim Martin -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/
