128k M0001P error with sad face
Tested my 128K Mac recently (bought it in 1984) and got the "bong" but sad face with the numbers 048360. Spent hours trying to interpret with no luck. I've removed the HD (disk ejector was sluggish) which turned a little when I inserted the system disk nut now does not. Also resoldered the yolk - analogue board connections. If I can't fix the error, can I use bits from a 1MB or classic Mac (which I have, neither works properly). Be really grateful for help. brlund...@gmail.com (Melbourne Australia) -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
the ram is bad… all of the 16 ram chips need to be replaced. i do offer this service. Charles MacCaps.com On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Barry Richardson wrote: > Tested my 128K Mac recently (bought it in 1984) and got the "bong" but sad > face with the numbers 048360. Spent hours trying to interpret with no luck. > I've removed the HD (disk ejector was sluggish) which turned a little when I > inserted the system disk nut now does not. Also resoldered the yolk - > analogue board connections. > If I can't fix the error, can I use bits from a 1MB or classic Mac (which I > have, neither works properly). > Be really grateful for help. > brlund...@gmail.com (Melbourne Australia) > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
I have an original 128K Mac that I bought back in 1984 and have tried to sell from time to time since I have long stopped using it. It boots up and the screen is fine. It was updated to a 512 "Fat Mac" shortly after I bought it. I have all original manuals, carrying bag, working image writer. $1,500 FIRM. Buyer pays shipping. I'll even throw in the very first MacWorld issue! Regards,Mikesouthwoodmike at yahoo dot com From: Charles To: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:26 AM Subject: Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face the ram is bad… all of the 16 ram chips need to be replaced. i do offer this service.CharlesMacCaps.com On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Barry Richardson wrote: Tested my 128K Mac recently (bought it in 1984) and got the "bong" but sad face with the numbers 048360. Spent hours trying to interpret with no luck. I've removed the HD (disk ejector was sluggish) which turned a little when I inserted the system disk nut now does not. Also resoldered the yolk - analogue board connections. If I can't fix the error, can I use bits from a 1MB or classic Mac (which I have, neither works properly). Be really grateful for help. brlund...@gmail.com (Melbourne Australia) -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
*All* bad? That seems unlikely...unless there is something I don't know about early Mac's that can cause failure of all of them? I've heard talk in PC circles about piggybacking a good chip on top of them temporarily in order to find the bad chip...would something like that work to narrow it down? Wesley On Mon, February 1, 2016 10:26 am, Charles wrote: > the ram is bad… all of the 16 ram chips need to be replaced. i do > offer this service. Charles > MacCaps.com > > > On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Barry Richardson > wrote: > > >> Tested my 128K Mac recently (bought it in 1984) and got the "bong" but >> sad face with the numbers 048360. Spent hours trying to interpret with >> no luck. I've removed the HD (disk ejector was sluggish) which turned a >> little when I inserted the system disk nut now does not. Also >> resoldered the yolk - analogue board connections. If I can't fix the >> error, can I use bits from a 1MB or classic Mac (which I have, neither >> works properly). Be really grateful for help. >> brlund...@gmail.com (Melbourne Australia) >> >> -- >> -- >> - >> You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs >> group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml >> and our netiquette guide is at >> http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com >> To leave this group, send email to >> vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this >> group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs >> >> Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Vintage Macs" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, >> visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and > our netiquette guide is at > http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, > visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
I think something in the error code (last set of numbers maybe) indicate *which* bank is bad. I'd say it would be highly unlikely all of them would be bad. On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:34 PM Wesley Furr wrote: > *All* bad? That seems unlikely...unless there is something I don't know > about early Mac's that can cause failure of all of them? I've heard talk > in PC circles about piggybacking a good chip on top of them temporarily in > order to find the bad chip...would something like that work to narrow it > down? > > Wesley > > > On Mon, February 1, 2016 10:26 am, Charles wrote: > > the ram is bad… all of the 16 ram chips need to be replaced. i do > > offer this service. Charles > > MacCaps.com > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Barry Richardson > > wrote: > > > > > >> Tested my 128K Mac recently (bought it in 1984) and got the "bong" but > >> sad face with the numbers 048360. Spent hours trying to interpret with > >> no luck. I've removed the HD (disk ejector was sluggish) which turned a > >> little when I inserted the system disk nut now does not. Also > >> resoldered the yolk - analogue board connections. If I can't fix the > >> error, can I use bits from a 1MB or classic Mac (which I have, neither > >> works properly). Be really grateful for help. > >> brlund...@gmail.com (Melbourne Australia) > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> - > >> You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > >> group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml > >> and our netiquette guide is at > >> http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > >> To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > >> To leave this group, send email to > >> vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > >> group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > >> > >> Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Vintage Macs" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more > options, > >> visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > -- > > - > > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > > group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml > and > > our netiquette guide is at > > http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > To leave this group, send email to > > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > > group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Vintage Macs" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, > > visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
> On Feb 1, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Britt Dodd wrote: > > I think something in the error code (last set of numbers maybe) indicate > *which* bank is bad. I'd say it would be highly unlikely all of them would be > bad. In my experience, when one goes bad, the rest will follow soon if not immediately. The best course of action is to replace them all when you have it apart. - Dylan -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
yes ALL bad.. especially the apple logo'd ones... You get it working by changing one or 2... then 2 months one more, then 6 months 1 or 2 more. etc. The 128k and some Apple IIc 's with that apple logo suffer. changing all 16 chips is a big nasty job... but i am really good at it and complete it with repeatable success. Its the best way to go, get it done and your good. Charles PS: Techknight from 68kmla suggested the ram might have been rushed to production, and contamination might of been the issue. Problems with the ram have been quite an issue. On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Dylan McDermond wrote: > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Britt Dodd wrote: >> >> I think something in the error code (last set of numbers maybe) indicate >> *which* bank is bad. I'd say it would be highly unlikely all of them would >> be bad. > > In my experience, when one goes bad, the rest will follow soon if not > immediately. The best course of action is to replace them all when you have > it apart. > > - Dylan > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Charles -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 128k M0001P error with sad face
Gotcha...that makes sense now. I'm sure it is a pain if they aren't socketed! Wesley On Mon, February 1, 2016 3:57 pm, Hardware Mack wrote: > yes ALL bad.. especially the apple logo'd ones... You get it working by > changing one or 2... then 2 months one more, then 6 months 1 or 2 more. > etc. The 128k and some Apple IIc 's with that apple logo suffer. > > changing all 16 chips is a big nasty job... but i am really good at it and > complete it with repeatable success. Its the best way to go, get it done > and your good. > > Charles > > > PS: Techknight from 68kmla suggested the ram might have been rushed to > production, and contamination might of been the issue. Problems with the > ram have been quite an issue. > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Dylan McDermond > wrote: > >> >>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Britt Dodd >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think something in the error code (last set of numbers maybe) >>> indicate *which* bank is bad. I'd say it would be highly unlikely all >>> of them would be bad. >> >> In my experience, when one goes bad, the rest will follow soon if not >> immediately. The best course of action is to replace them all when you >> have it apart. >> >> - Dylan >> >> >> -- >> -- >> - >> You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs >> group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml >> and our netiquette guide is at >> http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com >> To leave this group, send email to >> vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this >> group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs >> >> Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Vintage Macs" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, >> visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Charles > > > -- > -- > - > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and > our netiquette guide is at > http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to > vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Vintage Macs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, > visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- -- - You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Vintage Macs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.