Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[E. Honda]

I'll be giving you first dibbs on it!

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 9:22:05 AM UTC-6, John-Robert La Porta wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 10:39:58 AM UTC-4, E. Honda wrote:
>>
>> I'll have a modified "666av" up and running here this winter.  The 666 
>> designation is due to my intent to bump the RAM and VRAM beyond what it was 
>> capable of at the time by hot-air de/resoldering, plus bumping it to a 40 
>> mhz 68040 overclocked to 45 if possible.
>>
>>
> What are you doing with the other 040? 
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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[John-Robert La Porta]

On Friday, August 24, 2018 at 10:39:58 AM UTC-4, E. Honda wrote:
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> I'll have a modified "666av" up and running here this winter.  The 666 
> designation is due to my intent to bump the RAM and VRAM beyond what it was 
> capable of at the time by hot-air de/resoldering, plus bumping it to a 40 
> mhz 68040 overclocked to 45 if possible.
>
>
What are you doing with the other 040? 

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[E. Honda]

I'll have a modified "666av" up and running here this winter.  The 666 
designation is due to my intent to bump the RAM and VRAM beyond what it was 
capable of at the time by hot-air de/resoldering, plus bumping it to a 40 
mhz 68040 overclocked to 45 if possible.

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[John-Robert La Porta]

Our 3rd family computer was a Quadra 660AV. Great machine, we used it for 
years. It actually was replaced by a TAM on my dad's desk. A few times, we 
attached our home camcorder via S-Video to record short flicks. Really cool 
for the time!

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

['Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs]

To get any video capture to work on a NuBus Mac with the slow SCSI Apple used, 
you need at least a pair of fast hard drives and software like FWB Hard Disk 
Toolkit to RAID 0 stripe them. Even better is having two separate SCSI buses 
and striping the RAID across drives on both.
 
I used to have a Radius 81/110 tower with Media 100 boards. The only way to get 
it to work was an FWB RAID 0 across four drives, two on the internal only bus 
and two on the external/internal bus. All the drives had to be Fast SCSI2. 
Initially I had one IBM drive that looked all slick and expensive and fast, yet 
benchmarked at a pitiful 1 megabyte/second write speed. When its turn came in 
the array, *kachunk*! Too slow. After replacing that one it was finally able to 
maintain the higher than 4MB/sec write speed to capture NTSC video at 150K per 
frame. Thanks to Apple's foulup with the SCSI hardware in the x100 series 
(which was replicated in all the clones, and only partly fixed in the 110Mhz 
models) Media 100 could not use a NuBus SCSI controller like the ones from ATTO 
or FWB.

   So what some people would do is use a Quadra 950AV or 840AV with a fancy 
SCSI card and whatever ADB dongle was required to enable highest quality 
capture, then move the captured video over to a PowerMac and second M100 kit 
with all the dongles to enable all features for editing, doing FX, rendering 
etc. Extra expensive having two M100 kits, but you could have one person just 
minding the raw capturing system while an editor edited.
 
On Thursday, May 17, 2018, 4:15:00 AM MDT, Kevin  wrote:  
 I bought a Centris 660AV in August 1993 as an upgrade to my IIci. Actually, i 
wanted the 840AV but they were not in stock and i was in a rush so went with 
the 660. Much to my chagrin, it did not work well with a number of my software 
titles of the time. If i recall correctly, i had to use the little control 
panel to turn off the 040 cache in order to make MOST of my software work 
(MacroModel and Infini-D). Later version of the software made the machine much 
more usable although the video capture was all but useless, even with a faster 
Micropolis drive. That being said, i do remember grabbing some video frames 
with it.

Still got her up and running back home. Kinda kool to have a machine that was 
technically only sold for a few months. Thanks for the flashback.  

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[Kevin]

I bought a Centris 660AV in August 1993 as an upgrade to my IIci. Actually, i 
wanted the 840AV but they were not in stock and i was in a rush so went with 
the 660. Much to my chagrin, it did not work well with a number of my software 
titles of the time. If i recall correctly, i had to use the little control 
panel to turn off the 040 cache in order to make MOST of my software work 
(MacroModel and Infini-D). Later version of the software made the machine much 
more usable although the video capture was all but useless, even with a faster 
Micropolis drive. That being said, i do remember grabbing some video frames 
with it.

Still got her up and running back home. Kinda kool to have a machine that was 
technically only sold for a few months. Thanks for the flashback.

/KRM




On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 05:33:13PM -0700, superstar64 wrote:
> The Macintosh Centris. I felt like starting a discussion about this, seeing 
> as I recently found a fully working Macintosh Centris 660av from eBay. I 
> actually made this video unboxing it (watch if you want I don't care: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddp3vMa4hc ), and then I decided to start 
> this discussion. You don't have to have one to talk about this topic, but 
> you should have some basic knowledge at least about the line. Anyways, 
> let's talk about the Macintosh Centris/Quadra 610, 650, 660av, or Macintosh 
> IIvx.
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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[Alasdair Hepburn]

I had a Centris 610 (replaced a Classic, which I sold to a neighbour) in about 
1993, which was 8Mb RAM, 240 Mb hard drive, with CD-ROM, and was a special 
deal, since it was only slightly more than a 4/80 would have cost. It became a 
secondary machine (used by the kids for playing games) when I got an iMac DV, 
but (because of software versions), I still used it for Excel work in 1999. I 
liked it, as it was such a step up from the Classic.

I think it lasted another couple of years after that

regards,
Alasdair

> On 17 May 2018, at 03:26, Jeff Hubatka  wrote:
> 
> A Centris 610 was the first color computer I got - back in about 1994, it 
> replaced my SE/30 on the desktop. Over time I upgraded to 12MB of RAM and a 
> 270MB hard drive, back when they were about a dollar per meg. It was a good 
> machine, I used it regularly for more than three years. After that I donated 
> it to a friend's daughter so it was used for a couple more years.
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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[Josh Juran]

On May 16, 2018, at 3:43 AM, 'Gary Brown' via Vintage Macs 
 wrote:

> I don't like the 610/660/6100 case. Easier to get into than some, but the 
> footprint is way too big.

Thanks to having a power button right next to the floppy drive, users trained 
on non-Macs were constantly powering it off and losing unsaved work when they 
meant to eject a disk.

Josh

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[Jeff Hubatka]

A Centris 610 was the first color computer I got - back in about 1994, it 
replaced my SE/30 on the desktop. Over time I upgraded to 12MB of RAM and a 
270MB hard drive, back when they were about a dollar per meg. It was a good 
machine, I used it regularly for more than three years. After that I 
donated it to a friend's daughter so it was used for a couple more years.

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[superstar64]

I know they speed bumped the 610 and the 650 but the Centris 660av and 
Quadra 660av have no difference besides the model sticker. also they take 
the same System 7.1 that came with the Quadra 840av.

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

['Gregg Eshelman' via Vintage Macs]

Most of them got a speed bump when they dropped the Centris name. Some of them 
were badly crippled in their hardware design for no good reason, except perhaps 
to prod more tech savvy customers to buy more expensive models.
 

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, 6:42:17 PM MDT, superstar64 
 wrote:  
 
 The Macintosh Centris. I felt like starting a discussion about this, seeing as 
I recently found a fully working Macintosh Centris 660av from eBay. I actually 
made this video unboxing it (watch if you want I don't care: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddp3vMa4hc ), and then I decided to start this 
discussion. You don't have to have one to talk about this topic, but you should 
have some basic knowledge at least about the line. Anyways, let's talk about 
the Macintosh Centris/Quadra 610, 650, 660av, or Macintosh IIvx.
  

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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

['Gary Brown' via Vintage Macs]

I don't like the 610/660/6100 case. Easier to get into than some, but the 
footprint is way too big.

Nevertheless, I still rate the 68040 machines higher than the PPC601s.

I recall my annoyance when work gave me a PM6100. I switched to a Quadra when 
one became available...


On Wed, 5/16/18, superstar64 <jackhorn...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...
 To: "Vintage Macs" <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018, 1:33 AM
 
 The Macintosh
 Centris. I felt like starting a discussion about this,
 seeing as I recently found a fully working Macintosh Centris
 660av from eBay. I actually made this video unboxing it
 (watch if you want I don't care:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddp3vMa4hc ), and then I
 decided to start this discussion. You don't have to have
 one to talk about this topic, but you should have some basic
 knowledge at least about the line. Anyways, let's talk
 about the Macintosh Centris/Quadra 610, 650, 660av, or
 Macintosh IIvx.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[canale grande]

… speaking of the IIvx - i remember my first mac, the inglorious IIvi. 
my father had the best intentions in 1992, but unfortunately chose 
exactly one of the models that fit perfectly into this category. after 
the huge investment there was no money left, to populate one of the 
nubus slots with a card. :-)


On 16 May 2018, at 7:03, Scott Holmes wrote:

The IIvx was one of those machines that looked great in the pre-sales 
marketing blurb, but the reality was that it did not live up to 
expectations.  Apple short-changed customers by putting the 32MHz 
processor on a slow 16MHz bus.


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Re: Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[Scott Holmes]

I quite liked the Centris 650 back in the day.  It was reasonably quick for 
its time and had (IIRC) 3 x Nubus slot.  I used one as a server back in the 
day - a job that it did very capably (File server + FileMaker Pro).

The IIvx was one of those machines that looked great in the pre-sales 
marketing blurb, but the reality was that it did not live up to 
expectations.  Apple short-changed customers by putting the 32MHz processor 
on a slow 16MHz bus.

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Let's talk about one of Apple's shortest lived product lines...

[superstar64]

The Macintosh Centris. I felt like starting a discussion about this, seeing 
as I recently found a fully working Macintosh Centris 660av from eBay. I 
actually made this video unboxing it (watch if you want I don't care: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddp3vMa4hc ), and then I decided to start 
this discussion. You don't have to have one to talk about this topic, but 
you should have some basic knowledge at least about the line. Anyways, 
let's talk about the Macintosh Centris/Quadra 610, 650, 660av, or Macintosh 
IIvx.

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