More Free Cell Re: DOS

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Eric McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It should (under other names, I think - Klondike? Or
> is that another for 
> the original solitaire...) be on any "set" of
> solitaire games. It's 
> definately not a Windows exclusive. 

Klondike is a different game than Free Cell. Klondike
is one of, if not the simplest solitaire card games.

> (Trivia bit - it was originally included as a "test"
> program with Win32s, 
> an addon for Windows 3.1 to let it run "sort of"
> 32-bit programs if 
> Freecell ran, it was installed properly.)

Most of the PC software released from late 1994
through around 1996 or 97 that said it worked with
Windows 3.1x or 95 used Win32s to run on 3.1x.
Microsoft originally planned to make the version
of Windows after WFWG 3.11 more of a 32bit extension
rather than an all out replacement. As development
progressed MS decided that to better support 32bit
apps they had to start over mostly from scratch.
WinG, which is used by most apps that use Win32s,
was a precursor to DirectX. Microsoft's switch from
Win 3.1x to Win 95 was just as full of questions
about whether or not to keep backwards compatability
as Apple's switch to the PowerPC. Both companies
decided to keep compatability with the old
applications.
IMHO it was a move that hurt both more than it helped.
"Breaking the chain" may have created a drop in
the short term market, but with a fully PPC native
Mac OS and a fully 32bit Windows, both would've had
even better systems than System 7.5 and Windows 95.
Microsoft should've cast off 16bits when the 386
CPU came out. It would've been far easier then with
millions and millions fewer PC systems out there
running "legacy" software to replace.

Perhaps they saw the "failure" of IBM's attempt
to drastically alter the PC hardware platform
with their MCA bus that wasn't backwards compatable
as a reason to not kick 68k or 16bit code out of
the scene. The failure of MCA was due to IBM's
greed at trying to create a closed (or expensive
to license) system, not due to any resistance to
it's superiority over ISA. The rest of the industry
reacted by creating their own 32bit, software
configured bus called EISA that was also compatable
with ISA cards in the same slot. Then Intel came
along with their own 32bit bus called PCI which
didn't require special boot disks or driver changes
just to add, remove or even move cards from one
slot to another. It didn't matter that PCI wouldn't
accept an ISA card, the license for PCI was cheap
and the performance was far enough in advance of
ISA/MCA/EISA/VESA-LB that the peripheral companies
jumped on. (Unlike when they balked at IBM's attempt
to boost ISA from 8Mhz to 10Mhz!)

Apple has benefited from the fractious and vast
PC market. They've picked up USB, PCI, IDE, AGP
from it while providing IEEE1394 "Fire Wire" and
a few other things that the PC side has adopted.
Apple did try to pull an IBM like stunt by originally
demanding a $1 per controller (or was it per port?)
royalty on Fire Wire. With production quantities in
the millions, the PC industry balked at that as
much as they did at IBM's license fees for MCA!
I've never heard how that was settled since you
can hardly buy a new PC without Fire Wire now.

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Ethernet of a 6100

[Robert Poland]

Hi,

I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm 
somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it 
work.

I've installed Apple Built-In Ethernet, Apple Ethernet NB and 
EtherTalk Phase 2, configured Sharing Setup, but the chooser still 
doesn't see the network.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: Ethernet of a 6100

[R.A. Cantrell]

on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
> somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
> work.
Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet. 


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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Robert Poland]

At 2:35 PM -0500 10/13/2001, R.A. Cantrell wrote:
>on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
>>  somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
>>  work.
>Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.

Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk Control Panel is 
invisible. I remember going through this before years ago but don't 
remember the solution. Seems like it had something to do with Open 
Transport.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[R.A. Cantrell]

on 10/13/01 4:06 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds to me like you don't have Open Transport fully installed, but you'd
better wait for some one more informed to help you out.  If you had the
Apple Talk Control Panel I might could but without that I'd send you off on
the trial and error  route I think I dimly remember taking.
> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
>>> somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
>>> work.
>> Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.
> 
> Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk Control Panel is
> invisible. I remember going through this before years ago but don't
> remember the solution. Seems like it had something to do with Open
> Transport.


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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Marten van de Kraats]

>At 2:35 PM -0500 10/13/2001, R.A. Cantrell wrote:
>>on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>   Hi,
>>>
>>>   I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
>>>   somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
>>>   work.
>>Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.
>
>Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk Control Panel is
>invisible. I remember going through this before years ago but don't
>remember the solution. Seems like it had something to do with Open
>Transport.
>

Could it be that there is a 'network' control panel instead because 
it has been setup to 'classic networking'?

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Re: Free Cell for Mac. Re: DOS

[Andrew Michael MacTao]

>  > There is a card game that comes with Windoze '95 called, Free Cell. Does
>  > anyone know if there's a Mac version of this particular game?

Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>Ha! It's got you in its spell! ;-)

Well, sort of... I enjoy the idea that winning FreeCell is 
primarily based on strategy & very little on "Luck of the Draw." I 
also play the Mac version of "Beat the Dragon." But, BTD is almost 
entirely based on "Luck of the Draw." As are most solitaire games.

By the by, I recently uploaded "King of Solitaire", "Jewelbox" and 
"Tesserae" to "The Site." Jewelbox is one I had a hard time finding a 
while back... Nearly every link that came up in search engines was 
dead.
IIRC, I did get both "King of Solitaire" and "Tesserae" to work on 
an SE. But, "Jewelbox" requires 256 colours... No more, no less.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Robert Poland]

At 11:18 PM +0200 10/13/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>  >At 2:35 PM -0500 10/13/2001, R.A. Cantrell wrote:
>>>on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
Hi,

I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
work.
>>>Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.
>>
>>Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk Control Panel is
>>invisible. I remember going through this before years ago but don't
>>remember the solution. Seems like it had something to do with Open
>  >Transport.
>
>Could it be that there is a 'network' control panel instead because
>it has been setup to 'classic networking'?

Can't find "Network" control panel on any of my active systems, 7.55, 
8.6, 9.2.1. I notice that Open Transport is also invisible.

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Re: PC-DOS

[Keith Johnson]

Will the aforementioned PC-DOS 2000 work on a Mac DOS card?



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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Marten van de Kraats]

>
>Can't find "Network" control panel on any of my active systems, 7.55,
>8.6, 9.2.1. I notice that Open Transport is also invisible.
>

You might wanna install open transport again. Do it after starting up 
with extensions off. If that don't work. Do a clean install of a new 
system folder.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >Can't find "Network" control panel on any of my active systems, 7.55,
> >8.6, 9.2.1. I notice that Open Transport is also invisible.

> You might wanna install open transport again. Do it after starting up 
> with extensions off. If that don't work. Do a clean install of a new 
> system folder.

FWIW, I don't have a Network control panel here either (on 9.1).

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Robert Poland]

At 11:18 PM +0200 10/13/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
>  >At 2:35 PM -0500 10/13/2001, R.A. Cantrell wrote:
>>>on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
Hi,

I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels I need to make it
work.
>>>Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.
>>
>>Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk Control Panel is
>>invisible. I remember going through this before years ago but don't
>>remember the solution. Seems like it had something to do with Open
>  >Transport.
>
>Could it be that there is a 'network' control panel instead because
>it has been setup to 'classic networking'?

Can't find "Network" control panel on any of my active systems, 7.55, 
8.6, 9.2.1. I notice that Open Transport is also invisible.

Threw away MacTCP DNR and TCP/IP prefs and started with extensions 
OFF. "Network reappeared, set it to EtherTalk-built-in.

Ethertalk network now works.

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Re: What happened to Interex?

[Gene Osburn]

>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:11:04 -0400
>Subject: Re: What happened to Interex?
>From: Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  I have one of their large surge protectors.  My wife got it at Big Lots for
>like $10 and it will take about 2100 joules and has a ton of wide and narrow
>space outlets.  I guess my surge insurance that came with it is no good now.
>Craig


You may actually be in luck there, since XLR8 was acquired by Tripp 
Lite.  Tripp Lite's mainstay product line is power protection.  It 
may be a big enough point of pride for them, that they'll cover your 
surge protector.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Marten van de Kraats]

>
>FWIW, I don't have a Network control panel here either (on 9.1).
>
Of course you don't. There is no classic networking possbile in 9.1. 
You've got the appletalk control panel.

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Re: Free Cell for Mac. Re: DOS

[Andrew Michael MacTao]

pickle wrote:
>Do a search on VersionTracker for "freecell" or "card game" and check out
>the many, many, options.  Dunno how many (if any) are 68K-compatible, but
>anything capable of running VPC acceptably ought to be able to handle the
>freecell games for Mac :)

Found a couple versions on shareware.com & got 'em... Super Mac 
FreeCell and the HardWood Solitaire... Hardwood comes in both a PPC 
and 68k version.

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Re: Ethernet of a 6100

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Robert Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've installed Apple Built-In Ethernet, Apple
> Ethernet NB and 
> EtherTalk Phase 2, configured Sharing Setup, but the
> chooser still 
> doesn't see the network.
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated.

You don't need Ethernet NB since that is for NuBus
NICs. Run the AppleTalk control panel and set
it to Ethernet.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Robert Poland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2:35 PM -0500 10/13/2001, R.A. Cantrell wrote:
> >on 10/13/01 2:16 PM, Robert Poland at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi,
> >>
> >>  I finally got a AAUI to ethernet adapter for my
> 6100, OS 7.5.5. I'm
> >>  somewhat lost on what extensions/control panels
> I need to make it
> >>  work.
> >Set the Apple Talk Control Panel to Ethernet.
> 
> Would be the thing to do except that the Appletalk
> Control Panel is 
> invisible. I remember going through this before
> years ago but don't 
> remember the solution. Seems like it had something
> to do with Open Transport.

Reinstall Open Transport for whichever System or
Mac OS version you're running. The AppleTalk CP
replaces the Network CP from MacTCP.

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Re: PC-DOS

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Keith Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Will the aforementioned PC-DOS 2000 work on a Mac
> DOS card?

No reason why it shouldn't.

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Re: Ethernet on a 6100

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Cameron Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >Can't find "Network" control panel on any of my
> active systems, 7.55,
> > >8.6, 9.2.1. I notice that Open Transport is also
> invisible.
> 
> > You might wanna install open transport again. Do
> it after starting up 
> > with extensions off. If that don't work. Do a
> clean install of a new 
> > system folder.
> 
> FWIW, I don't have a Network control panel here
> either (on 9.1).

If you can't find what you need here

ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Networking-Communications/Open_Transport/

Apple is determined not to let you have it, at least
not from them. :P I dunno if OT 2.7.6 is for OS 9.1
or not, which is off topic for this list. :)

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