Re: DAVE on 68K macs

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- James S Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can run 7.6 on an 68000, although you can't
> install it on one.

And explain exactly how you force it into 24bit mode
and run in 4megs RAM?


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Re: Beige-Stock

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> It's fine if you are running System 7.5.5 too.  In fact, I found 7.5.5
> to be a little faster in some ways.  This is on a IIci.

Such as?

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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:58:24AM +0100, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2002 Deven Gallo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> >That's very impressive. I only say this because my network uses 100 MBps
> >and I do a lot of file transfer between machines, so 10 MBps speeds would be
> >extremely prohibitive.
> 
> You really think so? In my experience the speed difference between 10 
> and 100 MBps can only really be noticced when transferring really 
> large files over a network.

Wierd experience... :)

It's also going to speed up latency sensitive applications.

For any file a 1MB or more, it's going to be a huge benefit.

The lower latency is also going to make things like NNTP and other chatty
protocols faster as well.


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Re: Beige-Stock

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 07:25:24AM +, Mark Benson wrote:

> If your talking about the Daystar Upgrades the 030 was called 
> 'PowerCache 030' not Turbo 030. And for running System 7.1, there is 
> nothing finer than a 50MHz 030, especially if you have an SE/30! I'm 

It's fine if you are running System 7.5.5 too.  In fact, I found 7.5.5
to be a little faster in some ways.  This is on a IIci.

I think the main reason to run 7.1 is if you don't have much memory.

With something like a IIci which can have quite a bit of RAM, I think
you might even see some speedups by running 7.5.5.  



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Re: Apple Talk/ Local Talk Transcievers

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On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 07:03:59PM -0800, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> Why won't someone port netatalk to Windows? Would
> defnately make Mac<>PC networking much easier! :)

Porting from a good OS to a bad one is never easy or fun... :)

However, I wonder if something like the Cygnus setup for Windows
NT/2000/XP would be able to make porting netatalk easier.


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Re: Java, 68k

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At 12:45 AM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it freeware now?
>
>-- Epicenter

Nah, but there's a still-functional preview release. Says it'll work up 
until 2003, when presumably a new release will be out. 2.82-Preview is what 
I have.

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Re: DAVE on 68K macs

[James S Jones]

You can run 7.6 on an 68000, although you can't install it on one.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 09:33 PM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

>> DAVE 2.5 readme sez:
>>
>> System Requirements
>> DAVE requires the following hardware and software:
>> * Any Mac OS-compatible computers with a Motorola 68020 or higher
>> processor.
>> * Mac OS 7.6 or later versions, including 8.X and 9.0.
>
> This must be a really impressive program, allowing one to run Mac OS
> 7.6 on a 68020 I didn't know that could be made possible.


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Re: Java, 68k

[epicenter]

Is it freeware now?

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On 18 Dec 2002 at 0:31, Scott Holder wrote:

> So go get the new one ;) After some initially bad experiences with iCab, I 
> decided to give it another go and see how it went. So far, it's been much 
> better. Browsing on my Duo 280c and Quadra 840AV is almost pleasant now.  I 
> haven't used Netscape or IE on a 68k in awhile now.
> 
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Re: DAVE on 68K macs

[Scott Holder]

At 06:33 AM 12/18/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >DAVE 2.5 readme sez:
> >
> >System Requirements
> >DAVE requires the following hardware and software:
> >* Any Mac OS-compatible computers with a Motorola 68020 or higher
> >processor.
> >* Mac OS 7.6 or later versions, including 8.X and 9.0.
>
>This must be a really impressive program, allowing one to run Mac OS
>7.6 on a 68020 I didn't know that could be made possible.
>
>Marten

My guess is it's another one of those things that will likely work all the 
way back to 7.1, but 7.6 has all the necessary stuff built in so they just 
stick that in as a minimum requirement.

Anyone got a copy of it and running 7.1 to give it a go?

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Re: DAVE on 68K macs

[Marten van de Kraats]

>DAVE 2.5 readme sez:
>
>System Requirements
>DAVE requires the following hardware and software:
>* Any Mac OS-compatible computers with a Motorola 68020 or higher
>processor.
>* Mac OS 7.6 or later versions, including 8.X and 9.0.

This must be a really impressive program, allowing one to run Mac OS 
7.6 on a 68020 I didn't know that could be made possible.

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Re: Java, 68k

[Scott Holder]

At 11:32 PM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>What would you suggest I use instead? I'd like Javascript functionality, 
>and be
>relatively quick. Netscape's rather sluggish on this machine. iCab was great,
>until it expired. :o
>
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So go get the new one ;) After some initially bad experiences with iCab, I 
decided to give it another go and see how it went. So far, it's been much 
better. Browsing on my Duo 280c and Quadra 840AV is almost pleasant now.  I 
haven't used Netscape or IE on a 68k in awhile now.

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DAVE on 68K macs

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DAVE 2.5 readme sez:

System Requirements
DAVE requires the following hardware and software:
€ Any Mac OS-compatible computers with a Motorola 68020 or higher
processor.
€ Mac OS 7.6 or later versions, including 8.X and 9.0.
€ A minimum of 8 megabytes of RAM.
€ Apple's MacTCP 2.0.6 or Open Transport TCP/IP 1.1 or later.
€ DAVE Print Client requires Apple's LaserWriter 8 v8.3.4 or later.
€ DAVE Desktop Printing requires Apple's LaserWriter 8 v8.6 or later.
€ The Apple Text Encoding Converter (standard with Mac OS 8.0 or later)
is required to support the new international text features of DAVE 2.5.

Microsoft Network Requirements
DAVE 2.5 requires at least one of the following systems in your network:
€ Windows 2000
€ Windows NT Workstation or Server version 3.51 or later
€ Windows 95 or Windows 98
€ Macintosh running DAVE

---

Is there an earlier version that works with earlier Systems?

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Re: Java, 68k

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--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:38 -0500 on 17/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> >I meant something that will turn off the messages
> without making tons of web
> >pages
> 
> Use a browser that doesn't suck.

Tell web "masters" to quit using Javascript for
every link and button. :P Turn off Javascript and
90% of the websites are not useable.

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Re: Java, 68k

[epicenter]

What would you suggest I use instead? I'd like Javascript functionality, and be 
relatively quick. Netscape's rather sluggish on this machine. iCab was great, 
until it expired. :o

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On 18 Dec 2002 at 2:51, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

> On 17 Dec 2002 Deven Gallo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> >I still don't know why Netscape 4 is complaining about so many Java pages.
> 
> Let me see... A 5 year old browser on a 12 year old Mac... Is that 
> really a surprise? I don't think so.
> 
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[epicenter]

You are correct. However, I do transfer very large files, and I noticed a 
tremendous speedup going to 100 MBps. I would never want to switch back to 
10 MBps. :)

-- Epicenter


On 18 Dec 2002 at 2:58, Marten van de Kraats wrote:

> 
> >That's very impressive. I only say this because my network uses 100 MBps
> >and I do a lot of file transfer between machines, so 10 MBps speeds would be
> >extremely prohibitive.
> 
> You really think so? In my experience the speed difference between 10 
> and 100 MBps can only really be noticced when transferring really 
> large files over a network.
> 
> Marten
> 


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Re: 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040

[epicenter]

Not sure, but it probably does the same on an LC.. it was listed in a snippet 
of info about Turbo 040 overclocking in general, no particular machines were 
mentioned.

-- Epicenter


On 18 Dec 2002 at 0:26, Mark Benson wrote:

> I presume that's something to do with it messing up the timing on the 
> bus right? Or is it to do with the variable speed disk reading that the 
> drives does on 800k disks? Wierd side effect all the same! Does it 
> effect over-clocked LCs? If so I really ought to know.
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Re: Beige-Stock

[epicenter]

Not entirely sure. It's got 4 identical-looking chips near eachother, in a square 
arrangement. Those might be DSP's. You'd definitely be beating my system 
in storage with a 9 GB HDD. Mine's only got an internal 500 MB, and an 
external 530 MB, plus a 4x CD-ROM Drive.

-- Epicenter


On 17 Dec 2002 at 23:44, Mark Benson wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday, Dec 17, 2002, at 23:04 Europe/London, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to see it try to beat my IIci with Turbo 040 @ 48 MHz, 48 MB 
> > RAM,
> > and SuperMac Thun/24. ;)
> 
> How many DSPs on that Thunder card? :)
> 
> Your CPU beats me hands down. I have 32MB RAM so I'm not far off there. 
> If anyone has a spare ATTO SIEV card cheap I might put that and a 9GB 
> UWSCSI dirve in mine, for scratch space for PS :)
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

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On 17 Dec 2002 Deven Gallo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>That's very impressive. I only say this because my network uses 100 MBps
>and I do a lot of file transfer between machines, so 10 MBps speeds would be
>extremely prohibitive.

You really think so? In my experience the speed difference between 10 
and 100 MBps can only really be noticced when transferring really 
large files over a network.

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Re: Java, 68k

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On 17 Dec 2002 Deven Gallo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>I still don't know why Netscape 4 is complaining about so many Java pages.

Let me see... A 5 year old browser on a 12 year old Mac... Is that 
really a surprise? I don't think so.

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Re: DAVE Re: Apple Talk/ Local Talk Transcievers

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On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:53 PM, Gamba 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or:
> 
>

Being responsible for the above distribution of Dave, I briefly 
suffered a mild heart attack. No worries, however, because Dave will 
only work in Demo mode unless you have a license key and my keys are 
stored on a secure server :-)

 From memory, Dave 2.5.2 should work on a 68K Mac but the installer 
definitely requires at least System 7.6.1. I haven't tried installing 
the components separately on System 7.5 but I can't see any logical 
reason why it wouldn't work on a suitably patched installation. I also 
have a copy of Dave 2.5.1 somewhere but that also requires 7.6 
officially. Thursby Systems released updates thick and fast and I think 
that Dave 2.4 was the last version that officially ran on System 7.5.

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Re: STATIC CITY [was: beige stock]

[Charles Shannon Hendrix]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 07:50:47AM -0800, Jim McGee wrote:
> If it's feasible, add some extra humidity to the environment and then
> utilize standard antistatic procedures.

I have noticed a lot of peanuts is coming that is off-white in color,
sometimes even green, and it doesn't seem to generate static.

It's softer than the old style, but does just as good a job so far.

I can't find any place to buy it, I just collected it from a few packages that
were shipped to me.

I don't really have that much trouble with static, as I expect to be
careful with boards no matter how they are packed.  I have probably
shipped some in normal peanuts too, but I usually use that for books
and non electronic items.

I have tried shipping things with newspaper.  It seems to work OK, but it's
hard to "fluff it" enough, and it often crushes in transit.  The only
alternative is to slightly overstuff.  This solves the crushing problem, but
is harder to do and uses a lot more of it.

I got one of my Mac IIci systems and it was basically just shipped in
cardboard.  It was simply wrapped in cardboard and clear tape, and a shipping
label put on the outside.

Luckly, it came to no harm in transit, because it has no cushioning but 3
layers of cardboard.  

I've gotten a lot of stuff like that from people.   Some of the worst
packing jobs were from companies, not individuals.


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Re: STATIC CITY

[Charles Shannon Hendrix]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 03:05:06AM -0800, flawed jai wrote:

> to gregg eshelman re biofoam:
> 
> No, I had not heard about the substance before you described it. That
> shows you about how easy it would be to come by some.
> 
> I think all in all, it's a lot easier to buy popping corn and a hot air
> popper, and make some organic excelsior to use in place of styro
> peanuts, to do away with the static problem and the disposal problem of

I wouldn't recommend popcorn.  It crushes quite quickly in transit.

I'm iffy on the popcorn solution.  The most obvious problem is that it
tends to break up when under pressure or struck, so it doesn't cushion
as well and makes a mess.

If you are going to do this, basically what you want to do is make
horrible tasting popcorn, and an air popper (which in my experience
pretty well garantees bad taste).  I mean really make it tough, because
otherwise it comes apart and does little to protect the packaging.

Popcorn is also even harder to clean up than some shipping peanuts,
especially when it's all broken up.

Finally, sometimes shipping boxes are near critters, and if they sense
food on the other side, they will happily burrow into the package to
see what's for dinner.

I like the idea of bio-degradable packing material, but not THAT
biodegradable.

I know people do this, but when I've gotten packages like this, it was
pretty messy. 

I know bubble-wrap is a landfill nightmare, but it has one benefit you'll
not find in other solutions: mindless but endless entertainment... :)

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Re: Beige-Stock

[Mark Benson]

On Tuesday, Dec 17, 2002, at 18:59 Europe/London, Mark Benson wrote:

> If pickle comes back at you on-list you have my full guarantee I'll
> take to him with both hands. He's been a bit cranky lately and has
> racked up a strike already.
>
> My advice is that you do not react on-list as this will get you in
> trouble too. You have both been officially cautioned in a previous
> (just) e-mail.

This was supposed to be off list. However I don't think it really 
matters so much that it's not. Everyone knows what's going on anyway 
and probably knew that was what I'd say. Man I'm predicatable ;)

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Re: 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040

[Mark Benson]

On Tuesday, Dec 17, 2002, at 23:16 Europe/London, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The Turbo 040, as you probably know, has one oscillator-- a full-size 
> metal-
> can one. The cards use a 2x multiplier to derive the 68040's speed. 
> So, the
> 68040-40 model uses a 20 MHz oscillator. I desoldered this, and 
> replaced it
> with a 24 MHz oscillator. 24 x 2x Multiplier = 48 MHz. To keep it 
> cool, I added
> a fan taken from a PC CPU-Cooler to the heatsink.
>
> I tried a 50 MHz with a 25 MHzoscillator too, but, as has been 
> previously
> stated, that makes 1.4 MB floppies unreadable. At 48 MHz, only 800k
> floppies don't work. I don't use them, so that's fine with me.

I presume that's something to do with it messing up the timing on the 
bus right? Or is it to do with the variable speed disk reading that the 
drives does on 800k disks? Wierd side effect all the same! Does it 
effect over-clocked LCs? If so I really ought to know.

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Re: Beige-Stock

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On Tuesday, Dec 17, 2002, at 23:04 Europe/London, 
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> I'd like to see it try to beat my IIci with Turbo 040 @ 48 MHz, 48 MB 
> RAM,
> and SuperMac Thun/24. ;)

How many DSPs on that Thunder card? :)

Your CPU beats me hands down. I have 32MB RAM so I'm not far off there. 
If anyone has a spare ATTO SIEV card cheap I might put that and a 9GB 
UWSCSI dirve in mine, for scratch space for PS :)

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Re: 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040

[epicenter]

The Turbo 040, as you probably know, has one oscillator-- a full-size metal-
can one. The cards use a 2x multiplier to derive the 68040's speed. So, the 
68040-40 model uses a 20 MHz oscillator. I desoldered this, and replaced it 
with a 24 MHz oscillator. 24 x 2x Multiplier = 48 MHz. To keep it cool, I added 
a fan taken from a PC CPU-Cooler to the heatsink.

I tried a 50 MHz with a 25 MHzoscillator too, but, as has been previously 
stated, that makes 1.4 MB floppies unreadable. At 48 MHz, only 800k 
floppies don't work. I don't use them, so that's fine with me.

-- Epicenter

On 17 Dec 2002 at 7:38, Snook, John R wrote:

> < my 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040-accelerated 
> IIci runs circles around my 50 MHz PowerCache '030 accelerated IIci. It did the same 
>when 
> running at a stock 40 MHz, too. :)
> 
> -- Epicenter
> 
> Please tell us how you overclocked it.
> johnsn
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Re: Beige-Stock

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> 
> If pickle comes back at you on-list you have my full guarantee I'll 
> take to him with both hands. He's been a bit cranky lately and has 
> racked up a strike already.

Thanks, I really appreciate it. I'm sorry if I bothered some people before, it 
certainly was not my intent.

> 
> My advice is that you do not react on-list as this will get you in 
> trouble too.

Sure. No prob.

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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[epicenter]

That's very impressive. I only say this because my network uses 100 MBps 
and I do a lot of file transfer between machines, so 10 MBps speeds would be 
extremely prohibitive.

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On 18 Dec 2002 at 2:28, Darren wrote:

> 
> I'll give you this much, there are many ISA network cards
> The 3comm card does its full 10mbps which is the max the cable modem can 
> achieve at the best of times its also the max for the onboard enet on 
> most macs, meanwhile I can burn a cd by drag and dropping it onto toast, 
> the image is appletalked from one pc through the router box to the 
> powermac which mounts it using the chooser. 0 coasters at 8x.
> 
> I only have a hub which if I understand correctly is limited by the 
> slowest connection, as it hooks up to 10mbps macs and cable modem a 
> 10/100 is a waste again. Does a router over come this or do I need a 
> switch for that?
> 
> 
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Re: Beige-Stock

[epicenter]

I'd like to see it try to beat my IIci with Turbo 040 @ 48 MHz, 48 MB RAM, 
and SuperMac Thun/24. ;)

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On 17 Dec 2002 at 19:03, Mark Benson wrote:

>> Ha, well my 33Mhz 040 and Radius Thunder IV crammed into a IIci does a 
>> good job too - on a screen 1280x1024@24-bit :). What is more it does 
>> that while accelerating Photoshop 3.0.1 :)

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Re: 040 in a SE/30

[Gamba]

>I'm still trying to work out how to adapt the IIsi adapter to fit a Turbo
>040 in my SE/30 but it's not going to well :(
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/se30daystar.html>

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Re: DAVE Re: Apple Talk/ Local Talk Transcievers

[Gamba]

--- Ian Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I emailed the Thursby customer support people on the
>> 68k DAVE issue a while
>> back and they said they did not have a version of
>> DAVE older than the latest
>> release (4.0) anymore, which only runs on 8.6 and
>> up. Maybe on an auction site, flea market, etc...
>
>See what this is.
>
>ftp://ftp.thursby.com/macaddict/
>
>Install_DAVE_3.1.1.img.sit

Or:


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Re: 040 in a SE/30

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 22:04 Europe/London, mart wrote:

> How many pins do these PDS-slots have? Here in Amsterdam, a load of
> VME-connectors are available for something close to nothing. Looked 
> like
> the right number of pins, but please tell me the number of pins you 
> need.

I think I brought this up when you originally said Mart, yours are 
96-pin VME and the IIsi / SE/30 slot is 120-pin or something. I would 
have bought several by now if they were the right size :).

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Re: 040 in a SE/30

[Mark Benson]

On Tuesday, Dec 17, 2002, at 06:44 Europe/London, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> You need an SE/30 PowerCache adaptor. That was a
> straight up, inline conversion to the IIc cache slot.
> DayStar even threw in two bits of black tape to put
> on the edges to insulate it from the SE/30 frame.

Damn. I knew you'd sat that :(.

> If the Turbo 040 can be shoehorned into the SE/30,
> it ought to make System 7.1 fly like the wind and
> 7.5.5 tolerable. Still got the 16Mhz bus for a
> speed bottleneck.

Bottleneck, schmottleneck, I couldn't care less if it's got a 40MHz 
040. The only comparable system is a Mystic Color Classic (which has a 
better screen). System 7.1 flies on an 040 (despite being slightly 
un-authentic ;) ) and that in a n SE/30 is worth a little fiddling and 
a mild bottleneck.

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Re: Beige-Stock

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 23:06 Europe/London, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> As best I remember, the card sent to me had the connector for the 
> cache daughterboard, plus
> if I remember correctly, the option for the "128K Secondary Cache" was 
> dimmed in
> QuadControl / Power Central.

OK. In that case they are idiots ;). I just wanted to check.

> I'm going to have to disagree with you there-- my 48 MHz (overclocked) 
> Turbo 040-accelerated
> IIci runs circles around my 50 MHz PowerCache '030 accelerated IIci. 
> It did the same when
> running at a stock 40 MHz, too. :)

Ha, well my 33Mhz 040 and Radius Thunder IV crammed into a IIci does a 
good job too - on a screen 1280x1024@24-bit :). What is more it does 
that while accelerating Photoshop 3.0.1 :)

If we are going to start bragging I can install 7.1 on my 840av and pan 
the lot of you :P

Seriously though, what I meant, and I worded it very badly, is the 
50MHz PowerCache 030 is the best all-round as it it's more authentic 
and not as slow as the original. I know 7.2 flies on an 040/48MHz but 
7.1 was designed in the 030 era.

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Re: Beige-Stock

[Mark Benson]

On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 21:44 Europe/London, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Ah, if not the Turbo 030, what did Daystar call it? Pardon my mistake, 
> it's been a while since
> I've looked into those cards. I got a Turbo 040 and have been happy 
> with it, the cache issue
> aside.
>
> On another note, I frankly don't care about whatever happened back 
> then, I can't even clearly
> remember what happened. Please drop it. And also please do not call me 
> BenjiOak, Epicenter
> is my online name, I grew tired of the old one. I frankly don't think 
> anyone, myself included,
> wants to hear about an old flamewar. Alright?

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Re: gray scale adapter

[mart]

>>Let the Mac analog board run the yoke.
>>Replace the circuit board that goes on the back of the CRT with a custom
>>one >that plugs in to the SE30 PDS color board output.
>>What would keep this from working?
>>How can we make this work?
>>johnsn
>
>Where are you going to get an SE30 PDS color board that frames up the video
>to 512x342 resolution and syncs with the horizontal and vertical rates that
>the yoke is running at?

Ah, yes. I forgot. Gamba is right. I hurray-ed too soon at johnsn's
proposal. 512x342 is compact-only...

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Re: 040 in a SE/30

[mart]

>On Monday, Dec 16, 2002, at 15:47 Europe/London, Snook, John R wrote:
>
>> What's your problem? I've done a couple different stiles with success.
>> Can I help?
>
>The IIsi adapter is a right-angle adapter. The problem being it drops
>the Turbo 040 slap bang in thew middle of where the hard disk is
>mounted, obstructed by some of the chassis to boot. The 040 and adapter
>are not mine, they belong to a friend so a mod id not really feasible
>unless I have to. I'm really trying to do it for the friends SE/30 so
>if I had to mod I would but I'd rather not, if you catch my drift. Is
>there somewhere I can get a vertical IIsi adapter for the 040 or a
>right angle PDS thing to make the 040 stand vertically?

How many pins do these PDS-slots have? Here in Amsterdam, a load of
VME-connectors are available for something close to nothing. Looked like
the right number of pins, but please tell me the number of pins you need.

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Re: Beige-Stock

[Jim McGee]

I'm in total agreement with John. Gentlemen, take it elsewhere

mudbro

- Original Message - 
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> I don't know what this is about and I don't care.
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Re: Beige-Stock

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>>I don't think the rest of the board wants to hear about it either.<<

Nope--we just wish you'd go away, and stay away.

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Re: Beige-Stock

[Frederick Silliman]

Thank you..

Snook, John R wrote:

>I don't know what this is about and I don't care.
>I would like to say pickle, take it offline!
>
>  
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Re: 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040

[the pickle]

At 07:38 -0800 on 17/12/02, Snook, John R wrote:

>< my 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040-accelerated
>IIci runs circles around my 50 MHz PowerCache '030 accelerated IIci. It did
>the same when
>running at a stock 40 MHz, too. :)
>
>-- Epicenter
>
>Please tell us how you overclocked it.

Following the directions at the overclocking link in the FAQ, IIRC...
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Re: Beige-Stock

[Snook, John R]

>On another note, I frankly don't care about whatever happened back then, I
>can't even clearly
>remember what happened. Please drop it. And also please do not call me
>BenjiOak, Epicenter

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48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040

[Snook, John R]

< my 48 MHz (overclocked) Turbo 040-accelerated 
IIci runs circles around my 50 MHz PowerCache '030 accelerated IIci. It did the same 
when 
running at a stock 40 MHz, too. :)

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Please tell us how you overclocked it.
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[Darren]

the pickle wrote:

>>I only have a hub which if I understand correctly is limited by the
>>slowest connection, as it hooks up to 10mbps macs and cable modem a
>>10/100 is a waste again. Does a router over come this or do I need a switch for that?
>>
>>
>
>Depends a lot on the router, although most multiport routers have a built-in 4-or 
>5-port 10/100 switch.
>

Thanks pickle and sorry all for the increasingly pc flavored posts in 
this thread.

>  
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[the pickle]

At 02:28 +1100 on 18/12/02, Darren wrote:

>I only have a hub which if I understand correctly is limited by the
>slowest connection, as it hooks up to 10mbps macs and cable modem a
>10/100 is a waste again. Does a router over come this or do I need a
>switch for that?

Depends a lot on the router, although most multiport routers have a built-in 4-
or 5-port 10/100 switch.
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>ISA is fine for an old network, but for a 10 MBps ethernet network to run at its 
>proper speed, you'll want to get PCI.
>  
>

I'll give you this much, there are many ISA network cards
The 3comm card does its full 10mbps which is the max the cable modem can 
achieve at the best of times its also the max for the onboard enet on 
most macs, meanwhile I can burn a cd by drag and dropping it onto toast, 
the image is appletalked from one pc through the router box to the 
powermac which mounts it using the chooser. 0 coasters at 8x.

I only have a hub which if I understand correctly is limited by the 
slowest connection, as it hooks up to 10mbps macs and cable modem a 
10/100 is a waste again. Does a router over come this or do I need a 
switch for that?



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Re: Java, 68k

[the pickle]

At 09:38 -0500 on 17/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I meant something that will turn off the messages without making tons of web
>pages

Use a browser that doesn't suck.
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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

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At 09:38 -0500 on 17/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>ISA is fine for an old network, but for a 10 MBps ethernet network to run at
>its proper

Wow.  When did this turn into the Windoze list?
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Re: Beige-Stock

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At 09:38 -0500 on 17/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>For anyone who doesn't know what happened before, it was basically this. I
>posted some
>messages that were incorrect, or not "informative enough" to some people. When
>someone
>else stood up for me, we both got flamed, then banned from the list, for doing
>nothing wrong

That's an outright lie and you know it.  You and that other so-and-so basically
hijacked the list.  *YOU* are the reason list nannies had to be created.  Ask
Will Ahearn.  I'm sure he remembers as well.

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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[Ian Johnson]

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:38 am
Subject: Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

> ISA is fine for an old network, but for a 10 MBps ethernet network 
> to run at its proper speed, 
> you'll want to get PCI.
> 
> -- Epicenter
> 
> 
> On 17 Dec 2002 at 18:19, Darren wrote:
> 
> > I've made a 66mhz Win95 box running 2 isa nics and 2x40mb hdd's 
> running 
> > of 8mb of ram, hardly recommend but usable.
> > The PII in use at the moment still has a isa nic in it, I dont 
> see your 
> > "the ISA bus is as slow as frozen molasses on a snail's back".

By my experience, the performance of a NIC card is more dependent on the
actual card and not the slot. Most of the ISA cards I have used were
slower than PCI ones, but that was because they were 10BASE-T and the
PCI ones were 10/100. I would look for 10/100 most of all when getting a
network card.


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Re: Java, 68k

[epicenter]

I meant something that will turn off the messages without making tons of web pages 
unusable.

-- Epicenter



On 17 Dec 2002 at 1:09, the pickle wrote:

> At 22:16 -0500 on 21/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Is there a way to turn off those irritating messages about script errors?
> 
> Yeah.  Disable JavaScript.


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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

[epicenter]

ISA is fine for an old network, but for a 10 MBps ethernet network to run at its 
proper speed, 
you'll want to get PCI.

-- Epicenter


On 17 Dec 2002 at 18:19, Darren wrote:

> I've made a 66mhz Win95 box running 2 isa nics and 2x40mb hdd's running 
> of 8mb of ram, hardly recommend but usable.
> The PII in use at the moment still has a isa nic in it, I dont see your 
> "the ISA bus is as slow as frozen molasses on a snail's back".


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Re: Beige-Stock

[epicenter]

I really don't care. I'm not going to listen to a thing you say about whatever the 
hell happened 
before. I don't think the rest of the board wants to hear about it either. I'm not 
going to be 
listening-- so stop repeating yourself. You're doing nothing but proving your own 
stubbornness 
and obsession with being right, even when you have no valid point to argue.

For anyone who doesn't know what happened before, it was basically this. I posted some 
messages that were incorrect, or not "informative enough" to some people. When someone 
else stood up for me, we both got flamed, then banned from the list, for doing nothing 
wrong 
whatsoever..

-- Epicenter


On 17 Dec 2002 at 1:06, the pickle wrote:

> Tough cookies.  You started it, I'll finish it.  You wanna deal with that?
> Didn't think so.



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Re: STATIC CITY

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- flawed jai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to gregg eshelman re biofoam:
> 
> No, I had not heard about the substance before you
> described it. That
> shows you about how easy it would be to come by
> some.

I plugged biofoam packing into Yahoo, got 13 hits.
You may have seen it without knowing it. :) Ever
get a package with "peanuts" that were about 1/2"
diameter with rounded or rough ends?

http://www.inc.com/incmagazine/archives/10960501.html

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Re: STATIC CITY

[flawed jai]

to gregg eshelman re biofoam:

No, I had not heard about the substance before you described it. That
shows you about how easy it would be to come by some.

I think all in all, it's a lot easier to buy popping corn and a hot air
popper, and make some organic excelsior to use in place of styro
peanuts, to do away with the static problem and the disposal problem of
cushioning in shipment. I truly hate the damn peanuts. last summer some
handyman who works for my landlord had to bring truckloads of his old
stored belongings over to the new address, and in the process spilled
styro peanuts all over the lawn and left without cleaning them up. the
wind blew them all over hell's half acre and try as i might, I couldn't
find an efficient way to round them all up. i tried raking. i tried
sweeping. i tried a leaf blower. i tried a shop vac. in the end we had
to get down on our knees and pick thru the weeds by hand and collect
them, from all over the property. 
i just hate the damn things. my son had a beanbag chair that had the
little pellets in it for fill, and the zipper broke, spilling them out
on the same lawn. 
I have had it with them. Had it been popcorn, I could have just left it
there, and the birds would have eaten it, or I'd have watered it and let
it compost into the grass.
never seen this biofoam, probly never will.

but popcorn works-- tho i would put the items inside ziploc bags or
another sealant, before adding the popped corn for ballast..
and definitely hot air popped only--no microwave, no hot oil, god help
us. yuck.

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Re: Beige-Stock

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ah, if not the Turbo 030, what did Daystar call it?
> Pardon my mistake, it's been a while since 
> I've looked into those cards. I got a Turbo 040 and
> have been happy with it, the cache issue 
> aside.

The 030 PowerCache because it had the faster 030 (the
Power) plus 32K L2 Cache. The FPU was an option. All
but the 25Mhz version used socketed CPU and FPU.
'Course the 25Mhz 030 PowerCache would be somewhat
useless in a IIci. ;)

The other DayStar upgrades were the Turbo 040 which
fit most of the same 030 macs the PowerCache did
and the Turbo 601 which fit fewer 030 Macs than did
the Turbo 040. For the Macs with an 040 CPU, DayStar
made the Power Pro and Power Card 601 upgrades.
Power Pro fit the Quadra PDS. Power Card plugged
into the 040 CPU socket in LC/Performa Macs. That's
the one used in the "Mystic" upgrade for a Color
Classic, Color Classic II, LC 520/550 using the
LC 575 logic board.

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Re: IIsi getting AirPort through iMac

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If the system is never used at ALL, it will probably
> not crash too much, but in 
> Win98, Microsoft admits it becomes unstable after
> about 24 hours (or was it 
> 48 ..)

49.7 days, on certain hardware, the list of which MS
won't tell anyone and you have to pester them to get
the patch should you run into that problem.

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DAVE Re: Apple Talk/ Local Talk Transcievers

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Ian Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I emailed the Thursby customer support people on the
> 68k DAVE issue a while
> back and they said they did not have a version of
> DAVE older than the latest
> release (4.0) anymore, which only runs on 8.6 and
> up. Maybe on an auction site, flea market, etc...

See what this is.

ftp://ftp.thursby.com/macaddict/

Install_DAVE_3.1.1.img.sit

Up to 2.5 (or was it 2.5.1?) did support 68k.
Ran the demo on my IIsi then the IIci with the
50Mhz PowerCache. One thing to be careful with
when using DAVE is storing Mac files on the PC.
You definately want to keep the Mac stuff in its
own space and NEVER EVER manipulate the Mac files
with Windows. That's the fast road to wrecking them.
Defrag and Speed Disk are OK to use on the PC drive
with the Mac files but do not move or delete or
rename from Windows. That will break them.

It works OK for sharing cross platform files if you
copy the file elsewhere, do any editing of the
file on the copy, then copy/move it to another spot
on the PC for the Mac to access. Then use the Mac
to delete the original and replace it on the PC
with the changed version. Otherwise the database,
desktop and trash stuff DAVE puts on the PC drive
will get a bit fouled up. I don't know about later
versions of DAVE, but the ones I used didn't do
things like rebuilding the desktop database on the
remote PC share. I pushed over 500 megs of Mac stuff I
wanted to save then left it on my PC until I had
another SCSI drive to pull it back from the PC to.

What would really be slick is if the host filesystem
access of Basilisk II was compatable with how DAVE
stores Mac stuff on a PC. It's similar and might not
take a whole lot to make it work. Then should
something
happen where you can't access the PC over the LAN
with a DAVE equipped Mac, you could just install
Basilisk II and recover the Mac files. Too bad it
ain't that way. :(

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Re: DIVX?

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I didn't expect it would exist, but then again, I
> didn't think there was an Mp3 player for Macs 
> either until I read about it a while back. Worth
> asking anyway.

Lots of them for PowerMacs. MP3 on 68k is mostly just
an "It _can_ do it!" excercise. ;)

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