Re: FPU for Classic II?

[John Niven]

Hi Todd,

I don't know of any Classic-specific sites out there, Gamba's site is 
always a useful starting point!

Apple should realise the potential of supporting old Macs: my first Mac 
was a Classic II which I got about 4 years ago in a yard sale for $20 
with keyboard, mouse, and a StyleWriter II :-) I now use a G4 12" 
PowerBook (which I bought myself) in preference to the Sun workstations 
and PCs my employer supplies.

I had always admired Macs but couldn't afford/justify one. I was so 
impressed that the machine (then 9 years old) was so "modern" and 
familiar compared with the far "superior" PC's I used at work 
(Winblows98), at that time. The Classic II was running OS 7.0.1 at that 
time.

I upgraded it to the full 10Mb (2 x 4M simm) and later installed a 2Gb 
HP hard drive that I scrounged from an older workstation. This was 
formated with Lido 7, a free disk utility that can make third party HDs 
work in Macs. I have since found that you can ResEdit Apples disk tools 
to make that handle third party HDs also. However, Lido does have some 
nice features that test the speed of the drive, and also test it's 
integrity. Total HD size is not important, you just need to partition 
it right (depends on the OS - for OS 6 the limit is 2Gb).

I added the FPU card (which was supplied by a swap-lister), but the 
only real advantage I noticed was I could run "Battlezone". Still it's 
nice to have.

The most crucial upgrade (IMO) was the purchase of an Asante Desktop 
EN/SC. This is a little box that plugs into the SCSI port  via a short 
D25 to D25 cable. It takes its power from the SCSI port, and gives you 
(with the right drivers) an RJ-45 ethernet connection. At one point I 
had this machine on my desk at work, hooked up to the company network. 
The MIS people had enough humour to assign me a fixed IP address, so I 
could use MACTCP.

I  tried running OS 7.6.1 for a while but this is not really a web 
browsing mac :-) I then discovered that the Classic II runs OS 6.0.8L 
(the L is important). With this version of OS 6 the finder recognises 
all 10Mb of ram, not just the normal 8Mb.

Now it boots fast and the Asante drivers are still compatible with OS 
6.0.8L. Provided you have apps that you can run under OS 6, this is 
very much my recommendation for this machine. I know it's a 
"road-apple" but it's fast enough under OS 6. If they had built in 
ethernet, it would have been perfect.

I found a s/w suite called VersaTerm, which I think is wonderful for 
old Macs. It runs under OS 6 (and up) and gives you email, ftp (both 
client and server), and a terminal emulator. Thus I was able to log 
onto my works UNIX account and actually did real work with the machine. 
I could read my email, and was able to print on a couple of the 
companies network laser printers that did AppleTalk.

OK so I could have done that on my "big box" PC, but you would be 
surprised what a conversation piece it was :-)

One unique thing I could do was to use the VersaTerm LAT driver to 
terminal into a Digital VAX computer that was on the test floor. Saved 
a lot of walking :-)

Unless the case is very badly yellowed, I wouldn't paint it, but that's 
just me :-) I am actually considering painting a Mac IIci which has a 
very bad case. I'm thinking of painting it silver, and the Apple badge 
white. I use it standing up (monitor beside it rather than on top). I 
bought some Aluminium handles to screw onto the top and was going paint 
"68K" on the sides. I'm hoping to emulate the new G5 towers, in case 
you didn't guess :-)

Well that's lunch over, better get back to work (currently using 
MacProject II on a IIci)

John

On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 11:31  PM, Todd Russell wrote:

John,

Thanks, now I know what to look for.  :)  Are there any 
Classic-specific sites out there?  I know about all the usual sites 
for downloads and stuff, but it would be fun to see what other 
creative uses people have found for their Classics.  I'm pondering 
pulling the plastics off, painting them high-gloss-black, and putting 
a little red led behind the Apple logo in such a way that makes a red 
glow around the edges.  It would, of course, be named Darth Vader.  :) 
 Any idea what's the largest hard drive this thing will read?  I tried 
a 2gb Micropolis drive in my LC but it didn't show up.

Peace,
Todd
On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:47 AM, John Niven wrote:

Yes!

I have one. It's also an Applied Engineering card. basically its a 
small pcb with a connector and an FPU on it. The card sits 
vertically, whereas the LC is flat (I imagine).

No!

you can't have it :-)

I did think about cloning it, but no time really. I would be willing 
to loan it out if somebody wants to have a go. I'd like some more for 
my other Classic II's (well you have to be fair to the boys). I think 
this slot was intended also for some ROM expansion. Would be 
interesting if you could copy the system files and run them from 
there :-)

Or maybe a wireless ethernet adapter as we discuss

Re: LC slot compatibility

[Michael Hackett]

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:20:25 -0800
Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> AFAIK all LC Ethernet cards work with the Apple driver as they all 
> have basically the same hardware.

Just a note from my testing: While the Farallon card did work with the
Apple driver in 7.5.5, the two DaynaPort E/LC-T cards I have were not
recognized. It worked fine after I installed the Dayna driver (latest
version still available at Intel's Dayna support site).

However, to install the driver, I had to switch to Classic Networking
first, although the card worked fine when I switched back to Open
Transport after installation. I'm not sure what you could do on a later
OS where Classic Networking was no longer available. (When was it
removed? 7.6? 8?)

-- Michael

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Re: Networking a LaserWriter II NT

[Nigel]

I have, and have only recently removed it for current space 
considerations.

Although the printer is slow on the network (from a G4-400!) the output 
is excellent, and has produced many 80-page tomes over it's life.

It probably isn't something I would go out and buy, but since I had the 
printer anyway the Asante box has given it a new lease of life.

Nigel.

On 24 Mar 2004, at 15:05, Stefan Daehler wrote:

I'm considering connecting my good old LW (non-ethernet) to the 
home-network (ethernet) via an AsanteTalk 
Ethernet-to-LocalTalk-bridge. Somebody tried that before? Is this 
recommendable?

Thanks. Steff

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Re: Networking a LaserWriter II NT

[James rice]

Stefan Daehler wrote:

I'm considering connecting my good old LW (non-ethernet) to the 
home-network (ethernet) via an AsanteTalk 
Ethernet-to-LocalTalk-bridge. Somebody tried that before? Is this 
recommendable?

Thanks. Steff


I have.  Actually I have been connecting a LWII-NTX, a LW Select 360, a 
Personal LW NT and an ImagewriterII with the LocalTalk option card to 
ethernet with an AsanteTalk.  The LW 8500 was connected by the built-in 
ethernet port.  With this setup, all of the Mac's could print to any of 
the printers via Ethertalk and my PC's could print to the LocalTalk 
printers using Services for Macintosh built into NT  Server or Windows 
2000 Server.

James
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Networking a LaserWriter II NT

[Stefan Daehler]

I'm considering connecting my good old LW (non-ethernet) to the 
home-network (ethernet) via an AsanteTalk Ethernet-to-LocalTalk-bridge. 
Somebody tried that before? Is this recommendable?

Thanks. Steff

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