Re: using 24x SCSI cdrom in mac

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- DS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've recently acquired a mac IIvx with floppy drive
> and 20MB RAM. It works and had 7.6.1 or something.
> That was unstable so I copied it to another disk and
> freshly installed 7.5.3 instead.
> 
> Using either installation I can't access the CDROM. 

The first link here

is an older version of FWB CD-ROM toolkit. It'll
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for CD-ROM changers.

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Re: using 24x SCSI cdrom in mac

[David Ricker]

Could also be lack of driver for the CD drive.  If it came with a driver CD,
pop it in and I believe it will recognize it and let you install the driver
and away you go.

Dave

PS  I on the other hand have a CD drive & driver CD but 7.5 on my IIci won't
permit the driver to install.  I think it is an issue of a non-Apple internal
HD (LaCie) and some strange write permission.  It worked fine with the
original Quantum 80Mb HD.  Any ideas??

classic wrote:

> "Vintage Macs"  writes:
> >Hi
> >
> >I've recently acquired a mac IIvx with floppy drive
> >and 20MB RAM. It works and had 7.6.1 or something.
> >That was unstable so I copied it to another disk and
> >freshly installed 7.5.3 instead.
> >
> >Using either installation I can't access the CDROM.
> >
> >When I had zapped the system folder the CDROM booted
> >fine and I could use it and access the harddisk.
> >
> >The drive is SCSI and is on the same cable as the
> >harddisk.
> >
> >any ideas? I checked the system folder:externsions
> >folder and it has Apple CDROM.
> >
> >why does the boot cdrom work if the apple can't access
> >it normally? does it need a special driver for my
> >cdrom drive? Where would I get one?
> >
> >Can I grab the cdrom drive from the boot CDROM? There
> >doesn't seem to be any extensions on the cdrom itself.
> >
> >thanks
> >
>
> Hi when you say you zapped the system folder do you mean you zapped the
> parameter ram by doing cmd, opt, p, r ?
> I'd check the scsi settings on the CD and your boot HD. Typically Apple
> uses SCSI ID 0 for the boot hard drive and the CD's were SCSI ID 3.
>
> An Apple CD will act as a boot drive as it has the system loaded on it.
> But from what you are describing I have a feeling it's a problem with SCSI
> id's.
>
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Re: Mac IIci web Server - resolved?

[classic]

"Vintage Macs"  writes:
>Hey,
>Funny you should ask about it, the problem was in the router firmware!
>I'm 
>using the Linksys BEFSR41 that I got about 2002 I think and finally
>updated 
>the firmware since I couldnt think of anything else to do.
>I've got the Mac IIci on a static IP in the DMZ with ports 21 and 80 
>forwarded to the local IP. I'm using www.no-ip.com for the name right now.
>
>If you want to send the login info I'd like to see it.
>
>Here's something weird I got back from being out of town for the weekend,
>I 
>saw in the log info it looked like someone was trying to hack into it
>using 
>some kind of DOS command. Is this Mac and my network safe from this kind
>of 
>stuff?
>
>Thomas

Sure the IP address is 24.102.95.181 

The server is running FirstClass software which is a client server
application. I don't have web browser access available as it would kill
the SE/30! So it is a bit more convoluted than normal.

The client is available as a free download from OpenText who owns the
product at, 

http://www.firstclass.com/Downloads/OldVersions/FCC_56/

There is a Mac version which will run on non OSX macs and a windows
version.

I would only install the client and not all the other junk an easy install
will toss a bunch of stuff you'll want to hunt down and kill later so use
the Custom Install and only select the client application.

Once installed, open the Settings folder and click on the file
firstclass.fc.

Click on the setup button.

In the service setup window select  TCP-IP.FCP
Fill in a user id and pw you want to use.
In the Server: line type in the IP address above.

Hit save, ignore the phone #. This will save the user id and pw in the
settings file for future use.

When you connect you will be faced with an autoreg screen, don't bother
filling out all the junk on it other than perhaps your name. 

Once I see your account I'll approve it for more access. I think I should
have the server setup so that anyone can come in and look around. If you
want to use the private mail, chat and send to conferences you'll have to
be 'approved'.

Anyhow the sw lets you conference, chat and up and download files. I have
several sessions available so it would be interesting to see just how many
people can access the old SE before it blows up.

I guess if the list owner allows it, I could even forward this list to a
folder on the server for archiving purposes.

Kevin


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Re: Mac IIci web Server - resolved?

[Thomas Burns]

Hey,
Funny you should ask about it, the problem was in the router firmware! I'm 
using the Linksys BEFSR41 that I got about 2002 I think and finally updated 
the firmware since I couldnt think of anything else to do.
I've got the Mac IIci on a static IP in the DMZ with ports 21 and 80 
forwarded to the local IP. I'm using www.no-ip.com for the name right now.

If you want to send the login info I'd like to see it.
Here's something weird I got back from being out of town for the weekend, I 
saw in the log info it looked like someone was trying to hack into it using 
some kind of DOS command. Is this Mac and my network safe from this kind of 
stuff?

Thomas
- Original Message - 
From: "classic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Mac IIci web Server - resolved?


Just curious but did you ever get your web server sorted out?
I fiddled a bit more with the FirstClass server and was able to make it
accessable through our service at home which has a dynamic IP. On the
Linksys router I put the port outside the DMZ and also pointed the
nessessary ports 23 and 510 to the IP address of the SE/30 on the network
hosting the server.
If anyone wants to play on the antique server I can post the login info on
here.
Kevin
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Re: Mac IIci web Server - resolved?

[classic]

Just curious but did you ever get your web server sorted out?

I fiddled a bit more with the FirstClass server and was able to make it
accessable through our service at home which has a dynamic IP. On the
Linksys router I put the port outside the DMZ and also pointed the
nessessary ports 23 and 510 to the IP address of the SE/30 on the network
hosting the server.

If anyone wants to play on the antique server I can post the login info on
here.

Kevin


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Re: using 24x SCSI cdrom in mac

[classic]

"Vintage Macs"  writes:
>Hi
>
>I've recently acquired a mac IIvx with floppy drive
>and 20MB RAM. It works and had 7.6.1 or something.
>That was unstable so I copied it to another disk and
>freshly installed 7.5.3 instead.
>
>Using either installation I can't access the CDROM. 
>
>When I had zapped the system folder the CDROM booted
>fine and I could use it and access the harddisk. 
>
>The drive is SCSI and is on the same cable as the
>harddisk.
>
>any ideas? I checked the system folder:externsions
>folder and it has Apple CDROM. 
>
>why does the boot cdrom work if the apple can't access
>it normally? does it need a special driver for my
>cdrom drive? Where would I get one? 
>
>Can I grab the cdrom drive from the boot CDROM? There
>doesn't seem to be any extensions on the cdrom itself.
>
>thanks
>

Hi when you say you zapped the system folder do you mean you zapped the
parameter ram by doing cmd, opt, p, r ?
I'd check the scsi settings on the CD and your boot HD. Typically Apple
uses SCSI ID 0 for the boot hard drive and the CD's were SCSI ID 3.

An Apple CD will act as a boot drive as it has the system loaded on it.
But from what you are describing I have a feeling it's a problem with SCSI
id's.



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using 24x SCSI cdrom in mac

[DS]

Hi

I've recently acquired a mac IIvx with floppy drive
and 20MB RAM. It works and had 7.6.1 or something.
That was unstable so I copied it to another disk and
freshly installed 7.5.3 instead.

Using either installation I can't access the CDROM. 

When I had zapped the system folder the CDROM booted
fine and I could use it and access the harddisk. 

The drive is SCSI and is on the same cable as the
harddisk.

any ideas? I checked the system folder:externsions
folder and it has Apple CDROM. 

why does the boot cdrom work if the apple can't access
it normally? does it need a special driver for my
cdrom drive? Where would I get one? 

Can I grab the cdrom drive from the boot CDROM? There
doesn't seem to be any extensions on the cdrom itself.

thanks





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Re: Classic II

[Allan Hunter]

a) It may have a custom background screen set via a Control Panel or 
an Extension.  Post what CPs and Ext's you're running.  You may have 
something like Connectix Desktop Utilities or Decor which is then set 
to post a plain black JPEG as the backdrop PIC.

b) Look around and see if you have a document called "Desktop 
Textures" and/or a program called "Texture Installer", although I 
don't know if that doohickey was backwards-compatible with System 
7.0.1 or was only for System 7.5ish-era systems.

c) I take it that when you go to the "General" Control Panel you do 
not see a solid black background selected, and that when you try to 
pick a different background and click on it once selected, the actual 
Desktop pattern won't change?  Try locating and tossing anything in 
the Preferences folder that resembles a preference for General 
Controls or Desktop or Finder, etc., and then restarting and see if 
that fixed the problem.

At 5:35 PM -0500 1/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Classic II which has what I take to be a custom desktop, black. I
cannot change it to the default grey desktop by following what I 
would normally
do to change the desktop. Any suggestions? Running OS 7.1, 10 MB RAM, 500MB
HD. Over 400MB available.

Bailey Terry
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Classic II

[LbtJudge]

I have a Classic II which has what I take to be a custom desktop, black. I 
cannot change it to the default grey desktop by following what I would normally 
do to change the desktop. Any suggestions? Running OS 7.1, 10 MB RAM, 500MB 
HD. Over 400MB available.

Bailey Terry

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Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!

[Mark Benson]

On Jan 16, 2005, at 02:33 am, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
WHY HAS THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY TOTALLY FORGOTTEN WHAT
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Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!

[Mark Benson]

That's true. The fact that MiniMac has an industry standard interface 
should
give it a longer life.
Indeed. It's worked for other Macs.
Without doubt it will do. Unfortunately, however, not all USB
peripheral manufacturers are wise enough to make Mac compatible
peripherals, although the situation has improved a lot since I first
got a Mac in 2000.
Only if the peripheral is specialized, like USB modems, USB ethernet 
cards,
USB KVM and video cameras with specialized interface software. Storage
devices/input devices are all standard and require generic drivers.

Printers are also an issue. It seems that Epson is the only major 
printer
company producing Mac printers?
Nope, HP, Lexmark, Canon and many other makers of USB printer hardware 
supply Mac drivers. Failing that a lot can be driven via CUPS, which is 
the Open Source print manager that OS X uses (the Print Setup stuff is 
just an Aqua front end). I mean I have driven a HP DeskWriter 520c over 
a network via a 68k Mac using the AppleTalk Bridge extension in OS 7.1 
- from OS X 10.3. It's amazing really how much you CAN do. Also if you 
have a Windows box you can print to Any Windows printer through SMB 
sharing from Mac OS X now. I use that to print to my Parallel only HP 
Laserjet.

A way around this issue of hardware support is Open Source. A lot of 
hardware
is supported on Linux because of Open Source. Wish it were the same on 
the
Mac.
OS X is based on BSD roots, and Linux stuff is easily portable. There 
has already been a big increase in thrid party support packages since 
OS X cam about, including stuff for PC only Webcams, Scanners and other 
oddities.

The LC series machines are far from dead, trust me :o)
I agree, I have one. I find it useless without a printer and old 
printers with
a good supply of printer ink are hard to come by. Know of anywhere I 
can get
an old Apple StyleWriter with ink supply? So that I can start my own 
desktop
publishing revolution?
One word for you. Network. Any work I do in a 68k is LAN'd to my iMac 
if it needs printing or any high-power manipulation. 68ks are not dead 
but in this day and age they have their limits. FWIW I have found that 
HP Deskwriters are 2-a-penny at dumps and junk stores and you can still 
get re-manufactured or pattern part ink cartridges for them at most 
good retailers.

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Re: vintage LC -- too full?

[Darren]

Andrew J. Klyde wrote:
My machine:
MAC LC system software 7.1 (c) 1983-1992
Total Memory 10,240K
Largest Unused Block: 6763K
system software 3448K
When I open and close other applications (e.g. games) or even repeat 
the steps I describe above, and I check back in the "About this 
Macintosh" drop-down menu, the numbers change --
down to 3386K and largest unused block is down to 6448K. (And I 
didn't erase/delete anything; I can't delete from the Macrite-created 
files, which is what I want to do.
All of the above refers to the Ram in the LC, your problem is disk 
space, highlight the drive and "get info" from the file menu. This 
will show you the amount of disk space used and the amount available.

Also when I look at the files I'm trying to open, I can see the 
following information:
Macrite: 38.4 MB in disk, zero K available.  When I first discovered 
the problem, it said 4K available. Then I tried opening and closing 
other applications, and when I checked back to the Macrite files, it 
read 2K available, then zero K.
Temp files get made, zero K available means no space left to write to 
the drive. In a pinch (maybe, I can't tell if you have it on or if you 
have maxed the ram) you can turn off virtual memory in the Memory 
control panel, this will free up some space but is only a temparary 
fix and one which may cause problems with some apps.

I know I need to delete, but I can't! Thank you for any enouraging words . . . ANDREW 
Floppy disks. :)
You can replace the hardrive with a bigger one, it's a easy job in a 
LC and drives are no longer pricey, you will need a scsi cable with 
atleast 3 plugs so you can format then copy everything off the old 
drive and onto the new, then remove the old one and close everything. 
This is a good option as a newer drive will feel quicker but its a bit 
of work. If you have owned this mac since new without upgrading the 40 
hdd and your comfortable with it I'd consider this option first.

A external drive is easier again, giving you more space by simply 
plugging it in at the back of the LC, by pointing virtual memory at 
the second drive you will gain enough space on the original drive to 
continue as normal, you also have enough room to copy the games and 
other data across that are non essential - this means you only turn on 
the external drive when its needed. These cost more than replacing the 
internal but can include tape,zip and jazz drives.

As Gregg mentioned, make sure your trash has been emptied, this can 
hold a surprising amount if left for a while. As always his other 
comments are also good, techtool 1.17 can be found here as a self 
extracting file ftp://ftp.pcnet.com/pub/mac/utilities/TechTool-v1.1.7.sea

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