Old school admins, anyone?

[Scott Baret]

I've been on these lists for a few months now and am
wondering if anyone was ever in my old position as a
school computer admin from back in the day. I got my
job in September 1992 and retired in August 2005 so I
could do more freelance consulting and repair.

Back when I started we had a ton of Classics, Pluses,
SEs, and LCs. In my last few years we got new personel
in our IT department (and Windows computers) and I
wound up being the only one who knew how to operate on
the older machines. My last job as an IT guy at my
school was to donate 100+ older Macs from Classics to
5200s to a charity. I left with the Macs, in other
words (but that wasn't a factor in my decision).

Being in a school position I not only had the hardware
and software experience in mass quantities (especially
in the high school where the machines got abused), but
I also got to try out a ton of academic software. This
is what I am curious to...there don't seem to be any
webpages dedicated to the history of Macintosh
educational software and I am wondering what other
people's opinions on the greatest software products
for 68000-68030 Macs are.

I like Super Solvers products (OutNumbered for math,
Midnight Rescue for reading) the best for elementary
kids. If anyone else has some experiences to share
about these programs (or if you were a student in the
late 80s-early 90s and you used these programs) let me
know...one of my projects is to put together that
"missing webpage" about Mac Education.

Scott

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Re: Apple Pippin

[Scott Baret]

I recall reading about a console that was planned back
in the late 1970s from Apple. I think it was called
Annie but the sources out there are fuzzy. Some say
the Annie project eventually became the Mac. It all
depends on what you read.

If that was true it was probably going head to head
with the Atari 2600 should it have been released. I
still think the 2600 is the greatest console ever and
I speak because I still have one that works. Played it
last week, in fact. (My favorite game is probably
Kaboom--the one where you moved the paddles and had to
catch the bombs--and I wasn't bad at it despite my
failing hand eye coordination due to old age)

I know little about this XBox 360 but will it be a
machine that can surf the net? Being a living room
computer it wouldn't surprise me if people could check
their e-mail and then go and play their video games.

And yes, Apple is ALWAYS advanced...look at the Lisa.
It took years for some of those technologies to get
integrated into the Mac OS and Windows. Don't forget
the QuickTake camera, either...defniitely a pioneer.

Scott

--- "Luis D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The way I see it, Apple helped microsoft once again
> get ahead of  
> them. Xbox 360 is a living room computer just like
> pippin too. I've  
> heard rumors that it will be able to run a version
> of Windows Vista  
> in the future, though I'm not too sure on that. I
> think that pippin  
> was a premature Xbox 360.
> 
> On Sep 25, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Thomas Burns wrote:
> 
> > In case anyone is interested:
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-boxed-Apple-Pippin-Development-
> 
> >
>
System_W0QQitemZ5293877331QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
> 
> > ViewItem
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Scott Baret"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Vintage Macs"
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Apple Pippin
> >
> >
> >
> >> Did Bandai develop the electronics in it? The
> last
> >> time I heard anything about Bandai was back when
> Power
> >> Rangers was the thing to watch. They made the
> action
> >> figures and got really rich in the mid-90s. I
> didn't
> >> know Bandai did electronics...
> >>
> >> --- Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> From Wikipedia:
> >>>
> >>> "The Apple Pippin was a technology for a
> multimedia
> >>> title player (sometimes
> >>> mistakenly referred to as a games console )
> designed
> >>> by Apple Computer in
> >>> the mid-1990s. It was based around a 66 MHz
> PowerPC
> >>> 603e processor, and ran
> >>> a cut-down version of the Mac OS. The goal was
> to
> >>> create an inexpensive
> >>> computer aimed mostly at playing CD-based
> multimedia
> >>> titles, especially
> >>> games, but also functioning as a network
> computer.
> >>> It featured a 4x CD-ROM
> >>> drive and a video output that could connect to a
> >>> standard television
> >>> monitor.
> >>> Apple never intended to release its own Pippin.
> >>> Instead it intended to
> >>> license the technology to third parties, a model
> >>> similar to that of the
> >>> ill-fated 3DO. However the only Pippin licensee
> to
> >>> release a product to
> >>> market was Bandai.
> >>> By the time the Bandai Pippin was released,
> (1995
> >>> for Japan, 1996 for the
> >>> United States) the market was already dominated
> by
> >>> the Nintendo 64, Sony
> >>> PlayStation, and Sega Saturn, machines which
> were
> >>> much more powerful as game
> >>> machines than the more general purpose Pippin.
> In
> >>> addition, there was little
> >>> ready-to-go software for Pippin, the only major
> >>> publisher being Bandai
> >>> itself. Costing US$599 on launch, it was also
> >>> expensive: though touted as a
> >>> "cheap" computer, this was only true if compared
> to
> >>> the Macintosh. It was
> >>> far more expensive than a PlayStation.
> >>> Ultimately, Pippin as a technology suffered
> because
> >>> it was a late starter in
> >>> the 3D generation of consoles, and was
> under-powered
> >>> as a gaming machine and
> >>> personal computer. Bandai's version died a quick
> >>> death, only ever having a
> >>> relatively limited release in the United States
> and
> >>> Japan."
> >>>
> >>> I also checked out links from this description
> and
> >>> came to the 3DO and M2
> >>> both of which used RISC processors (i.e. 3DO
> used
> >>> the ARM60 32-bit and the
> >>> M2 used a PowerPC 602/33).
> >>>
> >>> So, all in all, I'm sorry but the Pippin does
> NOT
> >>> belong on this list.
> >>> Please take it to the PowerPC list.  Thank you. 
> ;D
> >>>
> >>> BTW thanks and nice find!  Never heard of the
> Pippin
> >>> before this.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Apple Pippin

[Luis D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

The way I see it, Apple helped microsoft once again get ahead of  
them. Xbox 360 is a living room computer just like pippin too. I've  
heard rumors that it will be able to run a version of Windows Vista  
in the future, though I'm not too sure on that. I think that pippin  
was a premature Xbox 360.


On Sep 25, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Thomas Burns wrote:


In case anyone is interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-boxed-Apple-Pippin-Development- 
System_W0QQitemZ5293877331QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ 
ViewItem



- Original Message - From: "Scott Baret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Pippin




Did Bandai develop the electronics in it? The last
time I heard anything about Bandai was back when Power
Rangers was the thing to watch. They made the action
figures and got really rich in the mid-90s. I didn't
know Bandai did electronics...

--- Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



From Wikipedia:

"The Apple Pippin was a technology for a multimedia
title player (sometimes
mistakenly referred to as a games console ) designed
by Apple Computer in
the mid-1990s. It was based around a 66 MHz PowerPC
603e processor, and ran
a cut-down version of the Mac OS. The goal was to
create an inexpensive
computer aimed mostly at playing CD-based multimedia
titles, especially
games, but also functioning as a network computer.
It featured a 4x CD-ROM
drive and a video output that could connect to a
standard television
monitor.
Apple never intended to release its own Pippin.
Instead it intended to
license the technology to third parties, a model
similar to that of the
ill-fated 3DO. However the only Pippin licensee to
release a product to
market was Bandai.
By the time the Bandai Pippin was released, (1995
for Japan, 1996 for the
United States) the market was already dominated by
the Nintendo 64, Sony
PlayStation, and Sega Saturn, machines which were
much more powerful as game
machines than the more general purpose Pippin. In
addition, there was little
ready-to-go software for Pippin, the only major
publisher being Bandai
itself. Costing US$599 on launch, it was also
expensive: though touted as a
"cheap" computer, this was only true if compared to
the Macintosh. It was
far more expensive than a PlayStation.
Ultimately, Pippin as a technology suffered because
it was a late starter in
the 3D generation of consoles, and was under-powered
as a gaming machine and
personal computer. Bandai's version died a quick
death, only ever having a
relatively limited release in the United States and
Japan."

I also checked out links from this description and
came to the 3DO and M2
both of which used RISC processors (i.e. 3DO used
the ARM60 32-bit and the
M2 used a PowerPC 602/33).

So, all in all, I'm sorry but the Pippin does NOT
belong on this list.
Please take it to the PowerPC list.  Thank you.  ;D

BTW thanks and nice find!  Never heard of the Pippin
before this.


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Re: Apple Pippin

[Thomas Burns]

In case anyone is interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-boxed-Apple-Pippin-Development-System_W0QQitemZ5293877331QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Baret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Vintage Macs" 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Pippin



Did Bandai develop the electronics in it? The last
time I heard anything about Bandai was back when Power
Rangers was the thing to watch. They made the action
figures and got really rich in the mid-90s. I didn't
know Bandai did electronics...

--- Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From Wikipedia:

"The Apple Pippin was a technology for a multimedia
title player (sometimes
mistakenly referred to as a games console ) designed
by Apple Computer in
the mid-1990s. It was based around a 66 MHz PowerPC
603e processor, and ran
a cut-down version of the Mac OS. The goal was to
create an inexpensive
computer aimed mostly at playing CD-based multimedia
titles, especially
games, but also functioning as a network computer.
It featured a 4x CD-ROM
drive and a video output that could connect to a
standard television
monitor.
Apple never intended to release its own Pippin.
Instead it intended to
license the technology to third parties, a model
similar to that of the
ill-fated 3DO. However the only Pippin licensee to
release a product to
market was Bandai.
By the time the Bandai Pippin was released, (1995
for Japan, 1996 for the
United States) the market was already dominated by
the Nintendo 64, Sony
PlayStation, and Sega Saturn, machines which were
much more powerful as game
machines than the more general purpose Pippin. In
addition, there was little
ready-to-go software for Pippin, the only major
publisher being Bandai
itself. Costing US$599 on launch, it was also
expensive: though touted as a
"cheap" computer, this was only true if compared to
the Macintosh. It was
far more expensive than a PlayStation.
Ultimately, Pippin as a technology suffered because
it was a late starter in
the 3D generation of consoles, and was under-powered
as a gaming machine and
personal computer. Bandai's version died a quick
death, only ever having a
relatively limited release in the United States and
Japan."

I also checked out links from this description and
came to the 3DO and M2
both of which used RISC processors (i.e. 3DO used
the ARM60 32-bit and the
M2 used a PowerPC 602/33).

So, all in all, I'm sorry but the Pippin does NOT
belong on this list.
Please take it to the PowerPC list.  Thank you.  ;D

BTW thanks and nice find!  Never heard of the Pippin
before this.


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Re: Apple Pippin

[Scott Baret]

Did Bandai develop the electronics in it? The last
time I heard anything about Bandai was back when Power
Rangers was the thing to watch. They made the action
figures and got really rich in the mid-90s. I didn't
know Bandai did electronics...

--- Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From Wikipedia:
> 
> "The Apple Pippin was a technology for a multimedia
> title player (sometimes
> mistakenly referred to as a games console ) designed
> by Apple Computer in
> the mid-1990s. It was based around a 66 MHz PowerPC
> 603e processor, and ran
> a cut-down version of the Mac OS. The goal was to
> create an inexpensive
> computer aimed mostly at playing CD-based multimedia
> titles, especially
> games, but also functioning as a network computer.
> It featured a 4x CD-ROM
> drive and a video output that could connect to a
> standard television
> monitor.
> Apple never intended to release its own Pippin.
> Instead it intended to
> license the technology to third parties, a model
> similar to that of the
> ill-fated 3DO. However the only Pippin licensee to
> release a product to
> market was Bandai.
> By the time the Bandai Pippin was released, (1995
> for Japan, 1996 for the
> United States) the market was already dominated by
> the Nintendo 64, Sony
> PlayStation, and Sega Saturn, machines which were
> much more powerful as game
> machines than the more general purpose Pippin. In
> addition, there was little
> ready-to-go software for Pippin, the only major
> publisher being Bandai
> itself. Costing US$599 on launch, it was also
> expensive: though touted as a
> "cheap" computer, this was only true if compared to
> the Macintosh. It was
> far more expensive than a PlayStation.
> Ultimately, Pippin as a technology suffered because
> it was a late starter in
> the 3D generation of consoles, and was under-powered
> as a gaming machine and
> personal computer. Bandai's version died a quick
> death, only ever having a
> relatively limited release in the United States and
> Japan."
> 
> I also checked out links from this description and
> came to the 3DO and M2
> both of which used RISC processors (i.e. 3DO used
> the ARM60 32-bit and the
> M2 used a PowerPC 602/33).
> 
> So, all in all, I'm sorry but the Pippin does NOT
> belong on this list.
> Please take it to the PowerPC list.  Thank you.  ;D
> 
> BTW thanks and nice find!  Never heard of the Pippin
> before this.
> 
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Re: Apple Pippin

[Arnel Tuazon]

>From Wikipedia:

"The Apple Pippin was a technology for a multimedia title player (sometimes
mistakenly referred to as a games console ) designed by Apple Computer in
the mid-1990s. It was based around a 66 MHz PowerPC 603e processor, and ran
a cut-down version of the Mac OS. The goal was to create an inexpensive
computer aimed mostly at playing CD-based multimedia titles, especially
games, but also functioning as a network computer. It featured a 4x CD-ROM
drive and a video output that could connect to a standard television
monitor.
Apple never intended to release its own Pippin. Instead it intended to
license the technology to third parties, a model similar to that of the
ill-fated 3DO. However the only Pippin licensee to release a product to
market was Bandai.
By the time the Bandai Pippin was released, (1995 for Japan, 1996 for the
United States) the market was already dominated by the Nintendo 64, Sony
PlayStation, and Sega Saturn, machines which were much more powerful as game
machines than the more general purpose Pippin. In addition, there was little
ready-to-go software for Pippin, the only major publisher being Bandai
itself. Costing US$599 on launch, it was also expensive: though touted as a
"cheap" computer, this was only true if compared to the Macintosh. It was
far more expensive than a PlayStation.
Ultimately, Pippin as a technology suffered because it was a late starter in
the 3D generation of consoles, and was under-powered as a gaming machine and
personal computer. Bandai's version died a quick death, only ever having a
relatively limited release in the United States and Japan."

I also checked out links from this description and came to the 3DO and M2
both of which used RISC processors (i.e. 3DO used the ARM60 32-bit and the
M2 used a PowerPC 602/33).

So, all in all, I'm sorry but the Pippin does NOT belong on this list.
Please take it to the PowerPC list.  Thank you.  ;D

BTW thanks and nice find!  Never heard of the Pippin before this.


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Re: Apple Pippin

[Nils Carlson]

Created Yes, manufactured no. This machince can be read about in  
macworld, perhaps around 1995. Apple made a prototype foray into the  
console market. Other than that I don't know much about it. Check out  
old macworld articles.


Cheers,
Nils

25 sep 2005 kl. 17.08 skrev Manuel Marques:


Howdy!!

Browsing the WWW, I've found this -
http://www.allaboutapple.com/museo/reportages/pippin/pippin.htm
This is an Italian site which collects old Macs. Has lots of high- 
resolution

photos and info!
But, returning to the topic: does anyone ever saw one of these? Was it
manufactured by Apple? (it does have a gestalt ID) Was this a gaming
console? A living room computer? An early SVCD player?
Interesting, indeed.

Greets


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Apple Pippin

[Manuel Marques]

Howdy!!

Browsing the WWW, I've found this -
http://www.allaboutapple.com/museo/reportages/pippin/pippin.htm
This is an Italian site which collects old Macs. Has lots of high-resolution
photos and info!
But, returning to the topic: does anyone ever saw one of these? Was it
manufactured by Apple? (it does have a gestalt ID) Was this a gaming
console? A living room computer? An early SVCD player? 
Interesting, indeed.

Greets


Manuel Marques
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