Re: Apple IIg

[R. A. Cantrell]

I appreciate the info from you guys. I'm just trying to get it ready to sell
and want to accurately represent it. I don't have a monitor for it, so I'll
just open it up and take an inventory and list it "as is" as the picture on
a Mac monitor is too distorted to make much of, but it does light the
monitor up and attempt to send an image, but the image is all wonky. If
anyone has an interest in it, E-me off list.
> "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> When your GS boots up, does it say "ROM03" or "ROM1"?
> 
> As R.A. asked about monitors, I'm guessing he doesn't have one, and so
> can't see what the computer displays when turned on. I think there's a
> place on the motherboard that would say, though.
> 
>> Pop the top and see what is in the slots, reading from left (slot0) to
>> right (slot7) and say what is in there,
> 
> The IIgs has slots 1-7 plus a memory slot to the right of slot 7
> (looking from the front). You might be thinking of a IIe.
> 
>> The IIGS has a composite monitor port in the back (decent color,
>> fair/poor text), and a IIGS-specific RGB port (excellent color,
>> excellent text). The IIGS RGB might be a hard find.
> 
> Finding a working IIgs monitor is getting difficult. And because the
> IIgs's sync rate is below what nearly any Mac or VGA monitor can go down
> to, there aren't many other options. Steve mentioned a Second Sight,
> which is the only solution for hooking up a VGA monitor, but these are
> very rare and will likely be costly, if the person knows what he has. (I
> just sold mine and I'm embarrased to say what the bidding went up to.)
> 
>> Hard drive (external SCSI or internal HardCard)
>> (partition into 32mb GS/OS and make the rest HFS)
> 
> I would make a few GS partitions, as the HFS driver had the occasional
> problem with large partitions, so I never trust anything important to
> it. Plus, older (ProDOS 8) software can't see the HFS volume).
> 
>> RAMFast SCSI card (if you get an external SCSI drive)
> 
> Or Apple High-Speed SCSI card (might be more common and less expensive,
> and I found them less fussy to use, though the real hackers like the
> RAMFast).
> 
>> 4mb of RAM
> 
> Can go to 8MB.
> 
>> TransWarpGS accellerator
> 
> Or ZipGS, but these too fetch a lot of money.
> 
>> PC-Transporter (if you want to get fancy, it a PC/XT on a card)
> 
> Now why ruin a perfectly good computer like that! :-)
> 
> My synopsis: I'm a big fan of the IIgs, and I still use mine (a "Woz",
> from very early on), but the computers and add-ons are becoming
> strangely popular now, and are fetching sometimes ridiculously high
> prices. Going by recent eBay sales and what I sold some of my parts for,
> my system would easily have fetched $1000. And yet I had a Centris 610
> here that was faster, with more memory, bigger hard drive, and better
> video, and I couldn't give it away! Go figure! I guess there's just
> something special about the classics.
> 
> -- Michael

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Re: Apple IIg

[Michael Hackett]

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:14:57 -0400
"Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When your GS boots up, does it say "ROM03" or "ROM1"?

As R.A. asked about monitors, I'm guessing he doesn't have one, and so
can't see what the computer displays when turned on. I think there's a
place on the motherboard that would say, though.

> Pop the top and see what is in the slots, reading from left (slot0) to
> right (slot7) and say what is in there,

The IIgs has slots 1-7 plus a memory slot to the right of slot 7
(looking from the front). You might be thinking of a IIe.

> The IIGS has a composite monitor port in the back (decent color,
> fair/poor text), and a IIGS-specific RGB port (excellent color,
> excellent text). The IIGS RGB might be a hard find.  

Finding a working IIgs monitor is getting difficult. And because the
IIgs's sync rate is below what nearly any Mac or VGA monitor can go down
to, there aren't many other options. Steve mentioned a Second Sight,
which is the only solution for hooking up a VGA monitor, but these are
very rare and will likely be costly, if the person knows what he has. (I
just sold mine and I'm embarrased to say what the bidding went up to.)

> Hard drive (external SCSI or internal HardCard)
>   (partition into 32mb GS/OS and make the rest HFS)

I would make a few GS partitions, as the HFS driver had the occasional
problem with large partitions, so I never trust anything important to
it. Plus, older (ProDOS 8) software can't see the HFS volume).

> RAMFast SCSI card (if you get an external SCSI drive)

Or Apple High-Speed SCSI card (might be more common and less expensive,
and I found them less fussy to use, though the real hackers like the
RAMFast).

> 4mb of RAM

Can go to 8MB.

> TransWarpGS accellerator

Or ZipGS, but these too fetch a lot of money.

> PC-Transporter (if you want to get fancy, it a PC/XT on a card)

Now why ruin a perfectly good computer like that! :-)

My synopsis: I'm a big fan of the IIgs, and I still use mine (a "Woz",
from very early on), but the computers and add-ons are becoming
strangely popular now, and are fetching sometimes ridiculously high
prices. Going by recent eBay sales and what I sold some of my parts for,
my system would easily have fetched $1000. And yet I had a Centris 610
here that was faster, with more memory, bigger hard drive, and better
video, and I couldn't give it away! Go figure! I guess there's just
something special about the classics.

-- Michael

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Re: Apple IIg

[Steve]

I think you mean an Apple IIGS, right?

A fully-loaded Apple IIGS is somewhere in the class of a 68020 or 68030
Mac, depending on what software you are using.  It really is a nice system .  

Did yours come with a hard drive?

When your GS boots up, does it say "ROM03" or "ROM1"?


Pop the top and see what is in the slots, reading from left (slot0) to
right (slot7) and say what is in there, that will give a good picture of
capabilities and you can decide if you want to spend the time/$ to make it
"worthy".

As soon as it boots, hit Crtl-OpenApple-Esc.  That will get you into the
hardware control panel.  See if the clock battery is still holding.  You
will also want to get in there late for slot assignments.

I guess you also need to decide what you want to do with it.  If you want
to do full wordproc/spreadsheet/print with a nice GUI, you will need the
latest (OS 6.0.something).  You can get by with a minimal system with a
single 3.5" floppy, but I'd recommend at least 2 of them.  If you want to
do kids educational stuff, you can get by with a single 3.5" and a 5.25" -
these things are built like tanks so they made great kid computers.

The IIGS has a composite monitor port in the back (decent color, fair/poor
text), and a IIGS-specific RGB port (excellent color, excellent text). 
The IIGS RGB might be a hard find.  


Souping up a IIGS all the way IIRC would entail doing something like this:

1 3.5" 800k drive
1 3.5" 1440k drive (aka SuperDrive)
1-2 5.25" drives
Hard drive (external SCSI or internal HardCard)
  (partition into 32mb GS/OS and make the rest HFS)
RAMFast SCSI card (if you get an external SCSI drive)
4mb of RAM
TransWarpGS accellerator
Second Sight video card (lets you use "PC" VGA monitors)
PC-Transporter (if you want to get fancy, it a PC/XT on a card)



Getting the IIGS on the 'net is not easy but it can be done - 
  http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/index.html
  http://www.omninet.net.au/~khowe/arachnid/index.html
  http://www.sheppyware.net/products/a2/gsaim/
  http://www.btinternet.com/~ewannop/sp.html
  http://sis.gwlink.net/


The best FAQ out there -
  http://home.swbell.net/rubywand/A2FAQs2CONTENT.html


Basic Info - 
  http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=71



-Original Message-
From: "R. A. Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vintage Macs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:19:30 -0500
Subject: Apple IIg

> Vintage Maccers,
> I thought I heard some talk about an Apple
> IIg
> on the list the other day, but as I did not have one at the time, I did
> not
> pay much attention. I picked one up in a liquidation yesterday and am
> wondering if it is worth sprucing up? It seems to have a long ribbon
> cable
> of some sort hanging out of it and I think that the external Floppy
> drive
> that was in the same batch goes with it. (do they hook up via a
> parallel
> looking port?) What are the monitor requirements?
> -- 
> All the Best,
> 
> R.A. Cantrell
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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> 
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> 
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Apple IIg

[R. A. Cantrell]

Vintage Maccers,
I thought I heard some talk about an Apple IIg
on the list the other day, but as I did not have one at the time, I did not
pay much attention. I picked one up in a liquidation yesterday and am
wondering if it is worth sprucing up? It seems to have a long ribbon cable
of some sort hanging out of it and I think that the external Floppy drive
that was in the same batch goes with it. (do they hook up via a parallel
looking port?) What are the monitor requirements?
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R.A. Cantrell

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Visit R.A.'s Old Mac (mostly) Stuff @

http://tinyurl.com/ubkw


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