Re: Mac SE/30
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:47:17 -0500, classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a different note, had been using an SE/30 as a server and notice even with the screen brightness dialed down there is burn in. Guess that makes sense as the gun is still firing at the screen even though you can't see it.now where did I put my copy of Neko. I live in fear of that on my Classic II, so I run the Pyro screensaver. Works fine even on System 6 and it's tiny. On all the old Mac sites, like Gamba's... -- Liam Proven Home: http://welcome.to/liamsweb * Blog: http://lproven.livejournal.com AOL, Yahoo UK: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508 * MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
I had a IIci that died because the tracks were eaten away on the logicboard. Is is possible to repair the tracks if they've already been damaged? What electronics skill level would it need? I don't have the IIci anymore, but i'd like to know still. :) Dan -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
At 4:58 PM + 2/4/05, Daniel Kendell wrote: I had a IIci that died because the tracks were eaten away on the logicboard. Is is possible to repair the tracks if they've already been damaged? What electronics skill level would it need? I don't have the IIci anymore, but i'd like to know still. :) Sure, just clean up the area, remove the solder mask from the ends of the traces remaining and solder fine wire across the gap. For something like this I'd use wirewrap wire (40 AWG), with or without the insulation, depending on how long they are. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
Daniel Kendell wrote: I had a IIci that died because the tracks were eaten away on the logicboard. Is is possible to repair the tracks if they've already been damaged? What electronics skill level would it need? I don't have the IIci anymore, but i'd like to know still. :) Dan I would think just a carefully placed drop of solder would do. -- Dowe Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac SE/30 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never knew that about the caps and I have a Classic Ii and 840av I should probably check them. The IIci is also subject to that problem. In the IIci it manifests as problems in the power-on circuitry, because they are positioned such that the leakage eats through the traces for the power-on circuitry on the motherboard. I wonder about the long-term effects of the dishwasher fix. It removes the current leakage, which is good, but do the caps continue to leak? If so, they might damage actual traces or solder joints before one realizes that the board needs washing again. I think it's generally better to get the leaky caps off of the board and replace them--with nice tantalum caps that don't leak, if possible. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Motherboard Caps, was: Re: Mac SE/30
At 10:47 PM -0600 2/3/05, Jeff Walther wrote: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac SE/30 From: classic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never knew that about the caps and I have a Classic Ii and 840av I should probably check them. The IIci is also subject to that problem. In the IIci it manifests as problems in the power-on circuitry, because they are positioned such that the leakage eats through the traces for the power-on circuitry on the motherboard. I wonder about the long-term effects of the dishwasher fix. It removes the current leakage, which is good, but do the caps continue to leak? If so, they might damage actual traces or solder joints before one realizes that the board needs washing again. I think it's generally better to get the leaky caps off of the board and replace them--with nice tantalum caps that don't leak, if possible. Oh, definitely replace the caps. From what I've heard more of the problems are due to the failed caps than to electrolyte leakage. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac SE/30
Bryan Kattwinkel writes: I've shipped a number of them and the worst that has happened is the little video board on the back of the CRT comes off or an ethernet add-on card comes out of its socket; easy to fix as long as the recipient has a torx tool to open the case. Breaking the back of the tube generally happens when trying to disconnect some internal cables, you accidently bump that small video board, and you hear the hiss of death (I've done it at least twice). To prevent this, remove the video board from the back of the CRT while working in there. What seems to kill to the SE/30 model is simply age: the capacitors used on the logic board begin to leak. When the caps are not functioning properly, the sound volume gets less and less; eventually there is no sound at all. And leakage from the caps causes shorts that prevent the logic board from booting. Dishwashing the logic board will often restore the ability to boot, but so far it has not restored the sound. The Classic II and 840AV exhibit similar logic board problems. Hiss of death, rofl. I've done it as well, on a nice pristine SE/30 monitor because I was in too much of a hurry to work on it. Guess that's why I'm a bit overly cautious now. I have had two Classic macs come in with broken tubes and neither look like they had been opened so I can only guess that rough handling was the cause. On a different note, had been using an SE/30 as a server and notice even with the screen brightness dialed down there is burn in. Guess that makes sense as the gun is still firing at the screen even though you can't see it.now where did I put my copy of Neko. Never knew that about the caps and I have a Classic Ii and 840av I should probably check them. Kevin -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac SE/30
on 1/31/05 3:31 PM, Kevin wrote: My own personal phoebia is that these Macs are pretty old and shipping one might not be great for them, mainly thinking of damage to the back of the tubes from bouncing around in the back of a truck or from rough handling. I've shipped a number of them and the worst that has happened is the little video board on the back of the CRT comes off or an ethernet add-on card comes out of its socket; easy to fix as long as the recipient has a torx tool to open the case. Breaking the back of the tube generally happens when trying to disconnect some internal cables, you accidently bump that small video board, and you hear the hiss of death (I've done it at least twice). To prevent this, remove the video board from the back of the CRT while working in there. What seems to kill to the SE/30 model is simply age: the capacitors used on the logic board begin to leak. When the caps are not functioning properly, the sound volume gets less and less; eventually there is no sound at all. And leakage from the caps causes shorts that prevent the logic board from booting. Dishwashing the logic board will often restore the ability to boot, but so far it has not restored the sound. The Classic II and 840AV exhibit similar logic board problems. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Mac SE/30
Doesn anyone have an old SE/30 for sale or know of somewhere to get one at a reasonable price? I'm watching them go for like 100 bucks on ebay. Thomas -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Mac SE/30 with no sound...
on 4/6/04 3:30 PM, bob gary wrote: ... there seems to be no sound reponse to any of the functions or sound preferences. There isn't any sound on the rear output, either. This is a very common problem with the SE/30 and sometimes occurs on other vintage Macs. It is almost always caused by aged capacitors on the logic board. When you swap boards around you find the problem follows the board. If you know how to replace capacitors you can fix it yourself (I don't have that skill). Cleaning the logic board in a dishwasher does NOT seem to be effective for this symptom, although it does help when capacitor leakage prevents the SE/30 from booting. http://katsmacs.blogspot.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Mac SE/30 with no sound...
Hello Mac people! I have recently obtained a running vintage SE/30 that has 20mb of memory and a 40mb hard drive. There are some basic utility programs on it, and it seems to run o.k. However, there seems to be no sound reponse to any of the functions or sound preferences. There isn't any sound on the rear output, either. Could this be a bad speaker or sound chip? I think I've run through all the settings I could think of. Anyone have a similar problem? I think I like to remember what the wild eep sounds like Thanks, Bob G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac SE/30 with no sound...
- Original Message - From: bob gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Mac SE/30 with no sound... Hello Mac people! I have recently obtained a running vintage SE/30 that has 20mb of memory and a 40mb hard drive. There are some basic utility programs on it, and it seems to run o.k. However, there seems to be no sound reponse to any of the functions or sound preferences. There isn't any sound on the rear output, either. Could this be a bad speaker or sound chip? Bob G. Not a bad speaker. The external socket would produce sound. If both onboard and external sound circuits are not making sound, have you checked the volume control? And the Output Volume? When you want a sound do you notice the menu bar flashing? If not, then dig deeper. The motherboard/analog board could have damaged components. Start at part one, then get back to us. Jeff G. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
