This is a veritable Essay and most of it's off topic so read it at your peril...

On 24 Jun 2005, at 09:56, Darren wrote:

Pretty much sums it up for me, I dont understand how you compare a MacOS on Mac hardware and Windoze on every piece o crap hardware thats ever been invented. Most pc users have never flashed their mobo bio's for example, a Mac on the other hand does whats needed at each update. Not really a viable option for M$ is it, really?

I'm not complaining about the hardware, my personal PC hardware has always been of the highest quality I can afford and has seldom been at fault. I just don't find the Windows interface intuitive. It's as simple as that.

We paid for 10.4 server to replace OS9 and AppleshareIP in our x- platform office, 1 day it lasted. All sorts of problems running MYOB which we have used since the Colour Classic was new, problems networking with both the imacs and pc.

And you think that's never happened to anyone upgrading a Windows or Linux network? Were you still using the Old World version of MYOB that you had when the Color Classic was new? ?If so whoever expected that to work with OS X needs their head examined. Things move on. Technology occasionally advances to a point where, despite a lot of swearing and blustering, you have to change systems. The reason it hit your office so hard is that on the Mac it hasn't happened since the introduction of System 7. Apple don't up and change the whole rule book every 5 years like Microsoft. People in Windows offices get hit by this little darling of an issue every 5-7 years. Think yourself lucky this is the first time it's happened since you installed MYOB back in 1993!

Also servers and networks are an entirely different matter here. They are a law unto themselves. I was purely discussing the client OS side and usability. If you want to pull server OSs apart then OS X server is still way behind in terms of features. It doesn't have the hardcore security of Linux or the feature-rich out of the box status of Windows Server. It's good but it's got a long way to go.

I like *using* XP even on this 6 year old ex celeron 600. ;) this board was a good buy, it's come a long way so deserves to still be used for email and surfing and mac emulation - well not Pear, thats for the 3.6 that doesn't go online to often.

I rarely use Windows without swearing at it at least once because it does something I didn't want it to. It's not just that I'm used to a Mac because I use a Windows machine more on an hours/day basis than a Mac. It's simply that me and Windows don't compute.

Moving from AmigaOS to Mac was a hard, to move again to the pc was complete chaos for me, in the end I stopped trying to compare everthing else to what I was used to, once I'd done that I could finally understand Nix. :) and enjoy what was in front of me for its good and bad points.

Odd you should mention Amiga OS. I've used OS 3.1 and 3.9 on my 2 Amiga 1200s and find them quite enlightening (despite the fact I'm currently all fingers and thumbs on an Amiga but I'm still learning!). It's a good OS. You could stack up your pennies and buy an AmigaONE ;o)

A MacOS on intel will not loose its soul it will still be different in a mac sort of way, it will still come in a cutting edge box and take a different approach to the way you work on your computer. Personally I'd like to see it try to cover everything XP-pro does in the way of hardware but no one does that do they? :)

No, not even Windows XP Pro ;o)

P4 3.6, it will be a while before Pentium D gets to 3.6, dual cores +intel=heat if developers are getting 3.6 boxes now it narrows your choices down a bit.

Yes but 2 cores means it's (almost) twice as fast so the question is begged that if Apple take advantage of the computational power of Dual-Core Intel CPUs then do they need to be 3.6GHz?

Alot changes in 2 years. Mac users are very adaptable, I'm sure to be reading a whole different lot of Windows bashing in three years time, I trust that wont change. ;) I'd like to see OS wars on a even playing field, if that doesn't happen I'll side with Jeff on this one.

I just voice what I find unsatisfactory. If that involves bashing an OS then I'll go there. For what it's worth I have voiced plenty of displeasure with OS X over the 4 years I've been using it. I just believe that, on the client side at least, OS X is somewhat more developed. All OSs have bugs and missives, and I have the patience of a saint, but not all of them constantly annoy me, as Windows has done for the past 13 years consistently. I bet even St. Peter would mutter something and get out a roll of duct tape if one of those clouds at the gates of heaven kept dripping on him for 13 years...

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