Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

2001-08-07 Thread J.S. Garrison



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Subject: Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)
Date: Sun, Aug 5, 2001, 4:48 PM


 At 15:16 -0700 on 03/08/01, Alex Allee wrote:

That is hardly cramming. :) Try 9.0.4 on a 7500/100 w/ 32MB of RAM and a 1GB
hard drive. *That* is cramming.

 No, cramming would be 8.5.1 on a Turbo 601 IIci with 16MB RAM and a 230MB
 HD... :-p
 (to get this back on topic...)

 p


I'm working in an elementary school that uses IIci's and some IIcx's
partnered with one newer iMac per classroom. We'd LOVE to be able to cram
8.5.1 on a group of turbo 601's packed neatly inside those dudes, if you're
offering.

Jeff

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Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

2001-08-05 Thread Amber Rhea

on 8/4/01 3:00 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That is hardly cramming. :) Try 9.0.4 on a 7500/100 w/ 32MB of RAM and a 1GB
 hard drive. *That* is cramming.

I once got 8.0 on an LC475 with a 160MB hard drive and 16MB RAM! Wasn't
pretty, but it was an accomplishment! :)

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Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

2001-08-05 Thread Andrew Michael MacTao

  laptop. He's been wanting to cram Mac OS 9.1 on this
G3/233 that only has 160megs RAM and a 4 gig HD.

Compared to the others, that's hardly cramming it on there...

I'd say so too. I have a iMac rev. A with 96 mb running 9.1 Really no
problem...

Ditto! If your friend has need for features beyond what OS 8.6 
provides, OS 9.1 is well worth the disk space it occupies... Unlike 
OS 9.0 which might be better served with (flame retardant suit donned 
here) Windoze '98... (hideous! Even for Micro$oft)

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Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

2001-08-05 Thread Andrew Michael MacTao

Amber Rhea wrote:
I once got 8.0 on an LC475 with a 160MB hard drive and 16MB RAM! Wasn't
pretty, but it was an accomplishment! :)

Why?

That's right! You are a member of the Vintage Macs list... The 
land where folks will do things, if for no other reason than, They 
said, It can't be done!...

Never mind the question.

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Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

2001-08-05 Thread Darren



Andrew Michael MacTao wrote:

 Amber Rhea wrote:
 I once got 8.0 on an LC475 with a 160MB hard drive and 16MB RAM! Wasn't
 pretty, but it was an accomplishment! :)

 Why?

 That's right! You are a member of the Vintage Macs list... The
 land where folks will do things, if for no other reason than, They
 said, It can't be done!...

 Never mind the question.

We had 32MB ram so that takes away most of the joy but it was 8.1.
As for why,  to use Appleworks 6. lol
The boss got the hint and bought a nice mix of imacs for the girls. :)



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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-08-01 Thread Bill Judson

Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find old pentiums on the side of the road, no cash needed, all work.
 Still to find any mac's, found a Apple IIe and thought my self very lucky.
:)
 (some classic gaming there) Also the Classic II with the checkered screen
[...]

In in a Midwestern (US) university town, the opposite seems to be the case
-- I've collected quite a number of abandonned/handmedown Macs. but until
recently the only PCs I've seen junked have been 286s or less. I've uaually
turned aside from taking them, but a few weeks ago, on my daily walk through
the neighborhood I saw a PII/166 in an alley close to the street (too close,
I guess),  thought maybe this is the moment to get into the Dark Side
(linux more likely, if I can wing it...), but when I came back to the spot
with my car (it was a tower system, with monitor) it was gone. Probably
didn't work anyway, being so relatively new

Of course, being known as the local Mac nut tends to help attract 'em one's
way.

So far, I own 1 of each:

Performa 400 - bought (my 1st Mac)
IIfx - dumped by neighbor
Quadra 650 -bought (used)
7200/90 - bought (used)

Other Mac stuff over the years:

2 SEs - dumped by friends or neighbors, 1 sold, 1 donated by me
Classic - found in alley, sold
Classic II - dumped by neighbor, sold
LCII - dumped from relative's workplace, donated
LC 520 -found, donated
3 ImageWriter IIs - found, 1 retained, 2 donated
ImageWriter LQ - dumped by neighbor, given away as damaged (?)
HP DeskWriter 550 - bought new, retained
HP DeskWriter 560 - found, retained
Epson Stylus 500 - found, retained
Numerous keyboards  mice

plus Numerous PC Monitors, mostly donated or given for recycling when
non-functional or only 60Hz VGA (but I did retain 1 great NEC 15 in.)
1 PS/2 keyboard, given away
PC (but Mac'able) SyJet drive, dumped by friend, retained
2 CD-ROM drives, given away

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Jutso

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-31 Thread Darren



Amber Rhea wrote:

Honestly, when I use
Windows, even for only ten minutes, I become irritable, fidgety, and
generally pissed off at the world. That's *exactly* how I want to feel
*every time* I sit down at the computer!! And my opinions of people at work
are largely shaped by their operating system of preference. Call me
narrow-minded or extremist or whatever, but I'm not changing! Viva la
revolution! (Didn't someone already say that..?) :)

I'm a little different I guess. I like any OS that works and
am fortunate enough to have quite a variety. Other peoples choice of
platforms interests me in how the person uses it, from there a option starts
to form. I'd call you a macintosh user, one eyed as most people are regarding
their choice of system.

There are many systems, most do one thing or another better than the rest.
I personally like to work on a mac but for my gaming pleasure you really
cant beat a pc, well their most stable playing games or being linux. ;)
Various others hold special  uses and are only obsolete now because the
world left them behind or really bad management :(

I find old pentiums on the side of the road, no cash needed, all work.
Still to find any mac's, found a Apple IIe and thought my self very lucky. :)
(some classic gaming there) Also the Classic II with the checkered screen
which after two logic board replacements and much cleaning I'm still to fix.
Think one of the lc's might be gutted as they are cheap to replace here.
Thanks again for all the help P: and all the links from the list

Not sure which revolution your referring too. :)

Happy Mac'ing.




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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-30 Thread Amber Rhea

on 7/30/01 2:06 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And then the issue of one system being just as good as the other...
 Comparing brand new pc's to 10 year old macs... Really people, Mac OS
 X is far superior to any other operating system out there, be it
 windows or linux. Most people on Slashdot agree on that, most
 software developers agree on that, most IT journalists agree on that.
 It's just a bit odd that some people on the vintage mac list of all
 places, seem not to agree.

I can't *stand* Windows. I mean, really, it hurts me to use it when I'm
forced to (which I make sure is as rarely as possible). Honestly, when I use
Windows, even for only ten minutes, I become irritable, fidgety, and
generally pissed off at the world. That's *exactly* how I want to feel
*every time* I sit down at the computer!! And my opinions of people at work
are largely shaped by their operating system of preference. Call me
narrow-minded or extremist or whatever, but I'm not changing! Viva la
revolution! (Didn't someone already say that..?) :)

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-28 Thread Steve Moody

At 11:43 AM +0200 7/28/2001, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
evolution: survival of the fittest and all that stuff. PC's are for
the stupid masses, Macs are for the spiritual and intellectual elite.
Our machines are just better and stronger. :-)

   I disagree.  I was a PC-head (I still play one at work), so I know 
the main reason most people won't go to the Mac.  It's not stupidity. 
It fear.  Most people are sheep.  The follow the leader no matter 
what.  Most people use Windows, therefore the sheep do too.
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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Paul Stamsen

At 9:18 am -0700 7/27/01,  regarding Outlook/Windows users on this 
list?, Gregg Eshelman penned sagely:


-  Thare are about a half dozen people out there who's
-  computers have the latest Outlook/Outlook Express
-  virus and I keep getting junk attachments from them.
-  :P
-
-  I certainly hope none of them are on this list because
-  the @#%#@nuts won't pay attention to my replies
-  telling them they have the virus and to STOP
-  #$%^#^$ing
-  using their #%#^^#$ing PC until they get rid of the
-  virus.


  Whaty's it look like?

  tnx,

  Paul

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman


--- Michael J. Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  
  Thare are about a half dozen people out there
 who's
  computers have the latest Outlook/Outlook Express
  virus and I keep getting junk attachments from
 them.
 
 
 What are they ?  .exe files ?

The virus grabs a random file off the infected
computer
then mails it out as an attachment and I think it
includes a copy of the virus so when you try to open
the attachment (in Outlook of course) you're infected.
(Now if the virus kiddies would get smarter and
figure
out how to package along a nasty AppleScript instead
of a Visual Basic Script...)

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman

That is the one. :P

--- Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
   Thare are about a half dozen people out there
 who's
   computers have the latest Outlook/Outlook
 Express
   virus and I keep getting junk attachments from
 them.
 
  What are they ?  .exe files ?
 
 I'm wondering if they got hit by W32.Sircam since
 I'm getting a lot of
 them as well. Is it something like,
 
 **
 Hi. How are you?
 
 I send you this file in order to have your advice.
 [this line varies]
 
 See you later. Thanks
 **
 
 It can also say this in Spanish, and there is a
 viral payload attached.
 If so, watch out. See
 

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Symantec grades this as a severity 4 (5 = highest)
 security threat. It is
 also annotated on the CERT.org site.


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Virus proof. Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My estimation is that yes, it's a very bad infection
 this time.  I've
 received about a dozen copies of it in the past
 couple days. 
 Fortunately I drive a Mac...

That's why I use Yahoo mail for mailing lists. Ain't
gonna get no viri that way. For my normal mail I
use Netscape. No version of Outlook on any of my PC
boxes, no Windows Scripting Host either. WSH was
the MS answer to AppleScript, unfortunately the only
people who use WSH are the virus creators. :P

Is Outlook 5.0.2 for Mac AppleScriptable? If so I'll
bet an enterprising cracker could do the same junk
to Macs.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Marten van de Kraats

That would be yet another very good reason to run 7.1 instead of 7.5.x.


(Now if the virus kiddies would get smarter and
figure
out how to package along a nasty AppleScript instead
of a Visual Basic Script...)


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Re: Virus proof. Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Marten van de Kraats

There was already an applescript virus not long ago. It was called 
'Simpson' or something like that.

Marten

Is Outlook 5.0.2 for Mac AppleScriptable? If so I'll
bet an enterprising cracker could do the same junk
to Macs.


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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Steve Moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 9:17 PM -0400 7/27/2001, Amber Rhea wrote:
 What was the statistic? Over 10,000 known Windows
 viruses and fewer than 10
 for the Mac?
 
Closer to truth is 15,000 for Windows/DOS and 700
 for Mac.  The 
 chance of an effective worm for a Mac would be for
 it to be cross 
 platform.  Possible?  Likely?

I figure it should be possible for some enterprising
little @$#%nut to infect PC Exchange or File
Exchange with a double virus, one PC boot sector
virus code and one to make Exchange write the PC
virus to any PC floppy you use in the Mac.

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Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Steve Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Closer to truth is 15,000 for Windows/DOS and
 700 for Mac.  The
 chance of an effective worm for a Mac would be for
 it to be cross
 platform.  Possible?  Likely?
 
 Any that would affect the Mac nowadays (OS X) would
 have to also affect
 Unix/Linux/BSD operating systems to be truly
 affective.

Some a-hole actually went and wrote a cross platform
Linux/Windows virus. It doesn't actually do anything
nasty, just infects stuff. But of course someone
will take the code and create something real bad
based on it. :P

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