Re: relatively foolish question
--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this: exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work? I have two of them now, one with a 286 chip and one with a 386 chip. I can vaguely remember one of these back in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow. Probably old Orange Micro boards. Unfortunately, www.orangemicro.com has no info on their line of PC cards prior to the 486 models. There is a page somewhere on the net with info and drivers for the 286 but I've never seen any info on the 386. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: relatively foolish question
Are any of the older pc-setup versions compatible with this board? Orange micro- Check the way back machine, 97 is the earliest and follow the software links http://web.archive.org/web/19970301044046/http://www.orangemicro.com/ Hope it helps, might save some scaring when you to try dos out again for old times sake. :) Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this: exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work? I have two of them now, one with a 286 chip and one with a 386 chip. I can vaguely remember one of these back in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow. Probably old Orange Micro boards. Unfortunately, www.orangemicro.com has no info on their line of PC cards prior to the 486 models. There is a page somewhere on the net with info and drivers for the 286 but I've never seen any info on the 386. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: relatively foolish question
On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 09:45 am, Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this: exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work? I have two of them now, one with a 286 chip and one with a 386 chip. I can vaguely remember one of these back in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow. As others have stated, PC cards don't emulate the Intel processor set but they generally fo emulate the PC graphics function. For the Orange386 card, the CGA graphics emulation is the really slow bit. When I installed a VGA card in the Orange386 expansion slot, I was quite surprised by the speed -- pretty much what I remember from a real 386. For more info on the Orange386, visit http://www.mandrake.demon.co.uk/Apple/O386.html. John Ruschmeyer has documented the AST 286 card very thoroughly at http://homepage.mac.com/jruschme/Mac286.html. I have one of these cards too but haven't played much. The 286 card is a lot less hackable than the 386 and I'm waiting for some inspiration about how to use it. Using the once removed rule, it's also worth mentioning the AST 8088 card for the SE (never seen one of these), the Dayna MacCharlie for the 128 and 512 compacts and Apple's own 486 cards for the Quadra 610 and others. Phil --- Most engineering products can be readily adapted to suit their originally intended purpose -- C H Thornycroft -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Has anyone run one of these in a Q700? Are there minimum/maximum system software versions that the Mac286 software works with? On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 03:38 AM, Phil Beesley wrote: John Ruschmeyer has documented the AST 286 card very thoroughly at http://homepage.mac.com/jruschme/Mac286.html. I have one of these cards too but haven't played much. The 286 card is a lot less hackable than the 386 and I'm waiting for some inspiration about how to use it. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I know this isn't *exactly* the answer you are looking for, but... I have a IIe card in a Mac LC475. The card only works when you double click onto the software. At this point, the Mac will transform into a 1mhz Apple IIe. When you press open apple-control-power on the Mac, a box will appear asking if you want to quit the IIe. After you select yes, then viola, your Mac turns into a Mac again. The whole desktop turns into a monochrome IIe. Pretty cool I assume the DOS card works the same. Steven Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this: exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work? I have two of them now, one with a 286 chip and one with a 386 chip. I can vaguely remember one of these back in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow. Do they dual boot and you choose which OS to use? Do you need a second monitor to see what's going on? It's not that I have a pressing need for these, but I am curious. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Yes, you will need all of the original software in order to make it work. There is a booter application which you launch from inside the Mac OS which switches you into PC mode, and the DOS card loads up DOS or Windows from your PC partition. Okay, I gotta ask this, as I haven't found any information about this: exactly how do DOS cards in Macs work? I have two of them now, one with a 286 chip and one with a 386 chip. I can vaguely remember one of these back in college, that seemed to do emulation and was extremely slow. It isn't emulation, like with VirtualPC, as you aren't emulating PC hardware, you are running actual PC hardware. The slowness is due to the 286/386 chips. They should number crunch DOS apps of the era fine, but don't expect to run Windows XP. Do they dual boot and you choose which OS to use? Do you need a second monitor to see what's going on? It's not that I have a pressing need for these, but I am curious. No, the Mac is still in control at all times. Even though the DOS card has its own processor, ROM, RAM, bus, serial connectivity, and so on, it still relies on the Mac's video and other on-board functions as well. Sam -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
