Re: OT MacBook Air

[Liel Ben Simon ליאל בן סימון]

If VoiceOver doesn't works you need go to accessibility under the system 
preferences and choose VoiceOver in the accessibility menu.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-4 ביולי 2016, בשעה 5:57, ‏‏Kevin Chao ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Cmd F5
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:53 PM Celeste MyHand  wrote:
>> How do you activate the voiceover feature?
>> 
>> Soki's Silver IPhone 6+
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RE: KNFB reader

[Pinky]

Hi Richard,
I wonder if he has a glitch in the KNFB app. Maybe he needs to uninstall it and 
re install it to make sure it is working ok.
Ed 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader


'The Light Detector app could help.
But, I'm wondering if the issue isn't that the paper and the background you 
have it on are too much the same color, so KNFB Reader can't detect the 
edges/corners of the page.
Perhaps get a square of black fabric a few centimeters larger than the paper to 
put the paper on?

'HTH,
Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi, please don't get ne wrong. I am trying to form an image in my mind of 
> what you're saying but for now it doesn't quite work. Will try it though. 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:28 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get 
>> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been 
>> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the 
>>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per 
>>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else 
>>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe 
>>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am 
>>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain 
>>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
 measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind 
 people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
 I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
 where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
 longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time 
 practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
 /Krister
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I 
> was simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the 
> list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to 
> explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal 
> and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the 
> German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in 
> my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 
> foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and 
> hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special 
> awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my 
> sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of 
> course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and 
> was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so 
> balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely 
> hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt 
> myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to 
> do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply 
> my fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and 
> 

RE: KNFB reader

[Ron]

Carol,

 

When taking a photo of the monitor, the flash needs to be off so you don’t get 
the glare of the flash in the surface of the monitor. One way or the other, the 
monitor is lit up and you don’t need a flash.  Also, if you take a lot of 
pictures of your monitor, you save a lot of battery on the phone.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

 

Okay, got it! I don't fully understand it, but that doesn't matter…

 

 

Carol P

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On 3 Jul 2016, at 22:51, Karl Smith  > wrote:

What they should have said is turn the flash off not the camera.

 

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From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

 

Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you want 
to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one!

 

 

Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus  > wrote:

Hello Krister

If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about 
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to 
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is 
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only 
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my 
pc.

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Krister Ekstrom   

Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: KNFB reader

 

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

Skickat från min iPhone

> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel   >:
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And 

RE: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Ron]

Hi,

 

Probably just because the Android version has not been out very long.  If you 
remember, after it came out for IOS they also had a big discount that has never 
come back since.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for 
android

 

Hello folks,

KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent discount for 
the android.

I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizes the sale and 
the app store does not?  I am just curious!

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RE: KNFB reader

[Ron]

Krister,

Don't worry about how good the lighting is.  Just leave your flash on all the 
time

Ron & Danvers
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

Hi, please don't get ne wrong. I am trying to form an image in my mind of what 
you're saying but for now it doesn't quite work. Will try it though. 

Skickat från min iPhone

> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:28 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get 
> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been 
> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the 
>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per 
>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else 
>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe 
>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am 
>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain 
>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
>>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind 
>>> people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
>>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
>>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
>>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time 
>>> practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
 
 Hi Krister,
 
 I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
 this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was 
 simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list 
 regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to 
 explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal 
 and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the 
 German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in 
 my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 
 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and 
 hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special 
 awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my 
 sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of 
 course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and 
 was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so 
 balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely 
 hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself 
 it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
 Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
 difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to 
 do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
 Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
 understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
 fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not 
 say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the 
 least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
 understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
 flaming i'll get. 
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>> 
>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>> 

RE: KNFB reader

[Ron]

Krister,

Don't worry too much about the corners.  Even if it says that not all corners 
are visible, continue to do what you did before.  Get it to tell you that all 
sides are visible and go with that.  You'll get good results
Don't worry too much about inches or centimetres if it means nothing to you.  
Hold your camera in both hands with your elbows on the table on both side of 
the document and go with that.  Better be a little too high than a little too 
low anyway. 

Ron & Danvers




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

Skickat från min iPhone

> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> Krista,
> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the 
> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try 
> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting 
> good results.
> 
> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say 
> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this 
> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the 
> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that 
> it is impossible for people who 

Re: KNFB Reader: to anyone who nay be hesitating

[Jewel]

Sandra!  That was, super, impressive!
I do have a KNFB Reader that is fulfilling my expectations of it, but not to 
that, exceptional,
extent.
My sister is touring Britain at this very moment, and if she should have the 
spare time, I would
send this to her, but, unfortunately, spare time she does not have!

 Jewel


--
From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 3:02 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader: to anyone who nay be hesitating

Here's another trick, I just tried it out. Below is an example, not perfect, 
but good enough for a
general overview.

What I did: all tables and chairs, in the west, conform to a certain ratio 
of height, from
tabletop to chair seat. I pulled a dining-room chair out from the table, as if 
I wre going to sit on
it. I placed a newspaper, folded into quarters, which is the normal way it is 
folded when not being
read, and put it on the chair seat. I put my phone on the table top, as near as 
I could judge,
roughly, central to the paper beneath. i slid the camera end of the phone over 
the edge of the
table, maybe to half way and took the shot. Here it is! No judgement needed!

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popularity of camping
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many of the better
sites are already almost full for August and every weekend, thousands of Brits 
head for the hills in
search of some elusive calm. In an age where ever-more advanced leisure 
pursuits are available, from
city-sized theme parks to luxury spa weekends, it's strangely comforting to 
know that so many of us
just want to keep it simple and go and sit in a field, and it is surely a 
reaction to the pressure
of everyday life. The stress of the modern world can be all-encompassing, 
juggling the school
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I think it goes off at the bottom because that is where the paper is folded, a 
very loose fold, more
of a curl. Basically, there are loads of ways to get the KNFB Reader to work 
for you, even with
unsteady hands or a bad sense of distance.

HTH, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 15:34, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Krister, I find something that helps a lot is to brace the phone against my 
> chin when doing both
> the field of view report and when taking the actual picture. My two biggest 
> problems are holding
> the phone steady, (something which bracing the phone against my chin helps 
> with a lot) and turning
> the phone in small enough increments that I don't seriously inpact the 
> alignment. It takes very
> tiny movements to turn a few degrees. The smaller the movement, the better. I 
> hope some of this
> can help you a little to get better results with the app.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>>
>> For me, the knfb reader has basically been a waste of money. Practically all 
>> i get is gibberish
>> and no matter in which painful angles i twist my arms, hands and body, i get 
>> that the paper
>> rotated so many degrees clockwise or anticlockwise and never a single time 
>> have i gotten all the
>> bloody corners visible.
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>>> 1 juli 2016 kl. 15:10 skrev Wayne Merritt :
>>>
>>> Greetings. There have been other OCR apps for free or anywhere from $2
>>> to $15. Granted, these may be apps which work perfectly well, but
>>> remember, you get what you pay for. I bought Prismo many years ago and
>>> was never really able to get it to work. I later found out that it is
>>> an app which gets better each time you use it. Now take the KNFB
>>> Reader; there are two buttons in the middle of the screen: take
>>> picture, and point of view report. Pretty much all you do is point and
>>> shoot, regardless of the paper's orientation. I don't use the app as
>>> much as others on this list, but when I have print to read, it works
>>> nearly every time.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
 On 7/1/16, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 Kimber,

 That's great that you were able 

Re: A Question for iOS Facebook App Users

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Mark,
Like you, unless their is a gesture that I do not know about, I could not find 
a way to go to someones profile from their actual post.
But I did find that the option does come up from a comment.

So if someone makes a comment, you can just do a double tap and hold on their 
name, and from the pop up menu, one of the choices is to go to that persons 
profile.

Hope this helps,

Chris


> On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I belong to several Facebook Groups.  
> 
> What I have discovered is that even though I can read and interact with
> posts in the group area, I cannot, it seems, go directly to a poster's
> Facebook profile, when VoiceOver is enabled.
> 
> In order for me to jump to a poster's Facebook profile, I must first disable
> VoiceOver, then, I can simply tap on the poster's Facebook profile photo,
> which appears at the beginning of each post.  
> 
> Try as I may, I have not yet found a way to go to a poster's profile with
> VoiceOver enabled.
> 
> Question, is there any way to do this?
> 
> Here are the steps I take which lead to the problem:
> 
> 1.
> In iOS, open the Facebook app.
> 
> 2.
> Activate the More Tab, located near the bottom right corner of the display.
> 
> 3.
> Select the Groups item.  This will display a list of groups of which one is
> already a member, as well as some suggested groups, not yet joined.
> 
> 4.
> Select a Group of which I am already a member.  A list of posts will appear.
> 
> 5.
> Single-finger, double-tap on a post in order to open it.
> 
> From this point, there does not seem to be a way to go to the poster's
> profile page.
> 
> All replies welcomed.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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RE: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth

[Jeremy]

Wow, very well reasoned and informed response. I'm impressed. Thank you for 
your time and effort. 

JR 

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Subject: Re: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth

Dear Jeremy,

It would be true if the iPhone had an OLED screen.  currently, all iPhones have 
LCD screens.  With LCD screens, all three primary colors of a pixel are 
illuminated.  With OLED displays, some colors of a pixel can be turned off 
completely, reducing battery drain.  Even if you had an OLED screen, there are 
many actions you could adjust that would reduce battery drain beyond enabling 
gray scale to really make a difference.

kelly

On 7/3/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hi,
> Battery life is personal.  I can't see how this would increase it, 
> although with 0 brightness, it could.
> I know for a fact, if I don't use certain apps, I can get an extra 2 
> hours of my phone, but, this is an interesting point.
> Sent from a BrailleNote
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>  - Original Message -
> From: Jeremy  To:  Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:02:26 -0700
> Subject: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently had a discussion with a small group of blind iPhone users, 
> and a few of them told me that I should turn on the grayscale option 
> within General > Accessibility because it will result in longer 
> battery use.  Is this true?
>
> Here's an online discussion which states the grayscale feature will do 
> nothing to reduce battery consumption, and it might even increase loss 
> of battery life.
> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/202370/does-the-grayscal
> e-feature-o
> f-ios-8-extend-the-battery-life
>
> Please let me know if I should turn on grayscale or leave this option 
> off.
>
> JR
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Re: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth

[Kelly Pierce]

Dear Jeremy,

It would be true if the iPhone had an OLED screen.  currently, all
iPhones have LCD screens.  With LCD screens, all three primary colors
of a pixel are illuminated.  With OLED displays, some colors of a
pixel can be turned off completely, reducing battery drain.  Even if
you had an OLED screen, there are many actions you could adjust that
would reduce battery drain beyond enabling gray scale to really make a
difference.

kelly

On 7/3/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hi,
> Battery life is personal.  I can't see how this would increase
> it, although with 0 brightness, it could.
> I know for a fact, if I don't use certain apps, I can get an
> extra 2 hours of my phone, but, this is an interesting point.
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
>  - Original Message -
> From: Jeremy  To:  Date sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:02:26 -0700
> Subject: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently had a discussion with a small group of blind iPhone
> users, and a
> few of them told me that I should turn on the grayscale option
> within
> General > Accessibility because it will result in longer battery
> use.  Is
> this true?
>
> Here's an online discussion which states the grayscale feature
> will do
> nothing to reduce battery consumption, and it might even increase
> loss of
> battery life.
> http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/202370/does-the-grayscal
> e-feature-o
> f-ios-8-extend-the-battery-life
>
> Please let me know if I should turn on grayscale or leave this
> option off.
>
> JR
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Re: OT MacBook Air

[Kevin Chao]

Cmd F5
On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:53 PM Celeste MyHand  wrote:

> How do you activate the voiceover feature?
>
> Soki's Silver IPhone 6+
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OT MacBook Air

[Celeste MyHand]

How do you activate the voiceover feature?

Soki's Silver IPhone 6+

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Re: Word Ladder

[Jewel]

Victor!
I knew that I had 3 pages and that I could progress from 1 through to 3 by, 
simply, swiping up with 
1 finger, but, as you said, I can't open them.
I did follow:  or  think that I did:  your instructions. At first, nothing 
seemed to happen as I was 
presented with game aftergame that I had completed, and then I struck pay-dirt 
and  found a list 
that were new.
However, when I have to close WL in order to do something else, I will be back 
to square 1.  I do 
ask Siri to open Word Ladder, so is it possible to go one step further by 
asking him to open it at 
the point where it was last closed?

 Jewel
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To: 
Subject: Re: Word Ladder

Jewel,

You do realize that there are three or so number of pages within the game
packs, right?

Unfortunately, the developer, whom I've been in contact with, has been
notified that Voiceover does not change the pages, so I'm afraid the only
remedy for this is to turn Voiceover off, then swipe from right to left at
the bottom of the screen.

This will turn the page, and Voila, many more games to go.

I'm sorry, I thought you had noticed the page one of three at the bottom of
the screen.

Let me know how it goes.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Jewel
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Word Ladder

I have asked this question before, and if there was an answer, I did not see
it.
Finding the daily game is simple and straightforward, but finding others
that I have not, already,
played is very time-consuming and is a real pain in the neck.
It would be lovely if, once a game has been completed, it could be marked as
having been so, and it
was deleted from the list, but, as far as I know, there is no way of doing
this.
I have tried opening different game packs, and double-tapping a number, but
this is very unreliable
and it rarely results in me being shown a game that I have not played:  and
I know that there are
oodles of these.
  If I go right down the list until I reach game pack 28, no matter what
number I tap on, I am,
invariably, presented with game 1124, and, I can tell you frankly, that I am
getting, heartily,
sick and tired of game 1124! not that I ever play it.
Last night, I tried going beyond game pack 28, and came to new games coming
soon, a promise that, I
fear, is very long in the keeping, but I was presented with games that I had
played, although, I
must say, that they were ones that I had played long ago, but which were,
still, vaguely familiar.
Has anyone discovered if there is a way of clicking on unplayed games?

  Jewel

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Re: iphone music app question

[don bishop]

Thanks Anna,
Just tried it and it works. Still probably actually a bug somewhere, but it's a 
workaround I can certainly live with. 

Thanks  
Don  

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: iphone music app question

>
>
> Hi Don,
> 
> I've found that if I scroll up one screen after opening a category in the 
> Music app, I can always find the table index in the lower right corner of the 
> screen.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2016, at 8:10 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > When I open the music app on my iphone and select "my music" there is often 
> > a table index inthe upper righthand corner of the screen. But, also very 
> > often I don't see the table index at all. 
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Re: iphone music app question

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Don,

I've found that if I scroll up one screen after opening a category in the Music 
app, I can always find the table index in the lower right corner of the screen.

HTH,
Anna



> On Jul 3, 2016, at 8:10 PM, don bishop  wrote:
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> When I open the music app on my iphone and select "my music" there is often a 
> table index inthe upper righthand corner of the screen. But, also very often 
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iphone music app question

[don bishop]

When I open the music app on my iphone and select "my music" there is often a 
table index inthe upper righthand corner of the screen. But, also very often I 
don't see the table index at all. 
Is there something I can do to always make the table index control 'ppear? 

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Facebook and sms notifications

[Kerri Stovall]

Hi list,
If this has been discussed before, please point me to the post. Anyway, I have 
not been receiving texts about comments, messages, requests, birthdays, or 
events, that I have made sure to check. Everything is checked in the 
appropriate settings, and all is well in my settings app on the phone. So I'm 
not sure what to do. Also, when I check into somewhere, all I see is, where are 
you, but it's searching constantly. I have also made sure that location 
services are on. What could be the problem here? Regardthe the text 
notifications,  I have reported the problem so maybe I'll get  something back. 
Also, I have the ability to post sms status updates, but when someone comments 
back, I have to go into fb to check for the comments. So, any help would be 
greatly appreciated. I have removed my number twice as the facebook help center 
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Re: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure how this will work with the sale, but you can buy something 
on the Play Store and download it to your device later. In fact, it'll 
be downloaded and installed for you automatically.


On 03/07/16 16:51, Karl Smith wrote:

I hope this isn't off topic but I see the KNFB reader is at $19.95 on google 
play. Can I download an android app on my PC and install it on my android 
device later? I don't have my Android tablet with me at the convention and 
won't be able to get to it until Thursday. Thanks.

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for android

I just noticed that. Google deserves an applaud for doing this.  May be apple 
would follow suit, although I doubt it.

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Subject: Re: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent 
for android

Well, if you go to the Play Store, you'll see the message:

KNFB Reader is supported by Google in an effort to provide tools to increase 
independence. For a limited time, KNFB Reader can be purchased for 80% off the 
regular price.

On 03/07/16 13:09, Cris Ali wrote:

Hello folks,

KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent
discount forthe android.

I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizesthe
sale and the app store does not?  I am just curious!

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Re: KNFB reader

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Okay, got it! I don't fully understand it, but that doesn't matter…



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 3 Jul 2016, at 22:51, Karl Smith  wrote:

What they should have said is turn the flash off not the camera.
 
Karl
 
 
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From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you want 
to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one!

 
 
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus  wrote:

Hello Krister
If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about 
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to 
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is 
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only 
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my 
pc.
Regards
Fanus
 
 
From: Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

Skickat från min iPhone

> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 

Ap Store Checking Items in iTunes

[Gary Petraccaro]

I've been trying to check a credit card type in the Ap Store in the PC iTunes, 
latest version.  Can't get credit card type to check with WE 9.1 or latest 
NVDA.  Tried spacebar simulated left mouse click and return.  Any ideas or 
suggestions?
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Re: iPod touch sd card style or jail brake mission?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

I haven’t tried it myself but by using the camera connection kit or there are 
USB iDrive sticks that have a lightening connecter, which enables you to store 
and browse files.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/iReader-External-Storage-IReader-Computer/dp/B01A9U7RG0/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8=1467584167=8-1-spell=idribe

HTH

Gena



> On 3 Jul 2016, at 21:50, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I've not been jailbroken for more than two years so I could be wrong but the 
> short answer is - no.
> iOS devices has no visible file system and it is not posible to browse files 
> and folders as you do on PC, Mac or Android devices and I think jailbreaking 
> won't help with that.
> If you use iTunes you can more less simply copy the files in the apps 
> supporting file sharing feature plus you can copy paste music files in the 
> library without syncing, you just need to check the option named "manage 
> music manually" or something like that. I don't have iTunes right now to 
> check it out, I just remember it was called something like that.
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 3.7.2016. u 21:07, trahern culver je napisao/la:
>> hi all, 
>> 
>> I have the latest iPod touch 128gb version. 
>> 
>> my question to you all is this can i get an app that will allow me to place 
>> files directly on my iPod as if it had an SD card inside it? or would I have 
>> to jail brake my iPod to do this? 
>> 
>> your help with this question would be most welcome, kind regards trey.
>> 
> 
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silencing VoiceOver announcement of song name on Apple TV when airplaying from iPhone

[Shai]

Hello,
When airplaying music from my iPhone to the Apple TV fourth generation
using the Acuradio app, I am noticing that VoiceOver on the Apple TV
is announcing the song name. This comes in loud through my speakers as
the song begins to play. Other than disabling VoiceOver while
airplaying music, is there a means of muting these notifications? I
attempted to cycle through the rotor and I noticed an option that
states mute alerts which I believe I enabled, but VoiceOver still
seems to announce the song names.
Thank you in advance for any responses

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RE: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Karl Smith]

I hope this isn't off topic but I see the KNFB reader is at $19.95 on google 
play. Can I download an android app on my PC and install it on my android 
device later? I don't have my Android tablet with me at the convention and 
won't be able to get to it until Thursday. Thanks.

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Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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for android

I just noticed that. Google deserves an applaud for doing this.  May be apple 
would follow suit, although I doubt it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent 
for android

Well, if you go to the Play Store, you'll see the message:

KNFB Reader is supported by Google in an effort to provide tools to increase 
independence. For a limited time, KNFB Reader can be purchased for 80% off the 
regular price.

On 03/07/16 13:09, Cris Ali wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent 
> discount forthe android.
>
> I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizesthe 
> sale and the app store does not?  I am just curious!
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RE: KNFB reader

[Karl Smith]

What they should have said is turn the flash off not the camera.

 

Karl

 

 

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From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

 

Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you want 
to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one!

 

 

Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille


On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus  wrote:

Hello Krister

If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about 
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to 
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is 
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only 
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my 
pc.

Regards

Fanus

 

 

From: Krister Ekstrom   

Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: KNFB reader

 

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

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> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 /Krister
 
 
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> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 

Re: Voice dream writer

[Richard Turner]

I just sent you the help off list as a txt attachment.
HTH,
Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> Hey people, 
> I'm finally getting around to checking out voice dream writer. I downloaded 
> it "many months ago but now I am actually thinking of using it!
> First off, I plan to dictate text even though I know that has some severe 
> limitations. I just sampled doing that and I can get two or three sentences 
> down there at a time. This may be better than inputting  by b yt  he keyboard 
> with numb fingers! Problem is I can't seem to find the continuous help file 
> in that discusses how to use the program. In tools when I hit on help I 
> certainly get information but it's not continuous and it's not obvious by 
> category. I thought I saw a link to the entire document somewhere but I 
> haven't found it since. Also are there tutorials that people especially like 
> that they can recommend? The most obvious thing that I haven't seen how to do 
> so far is how to save what I just wrote! Can someone make this easy for me? 
> Thanks.
> 
> Deidre
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questions on I Cast 2

['ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone]

First when entering the hostname does it need to see http:// in front of the 
hostname? Second during the connection process it asks for a source and 
password.  The password I understand but what is it referring to when it asks 
for a source?
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Re: iPod touch sd card style or jail brake mission?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I've not been jailbroken for more than two years so I could be wrong
but the short answer is - no.
iOS devices has no visible file system and it is not posible to
browse files and folders as you do on PC, Mac or Android devices and
I think jailbreaking won't help with that.
If you use iTunes you can more less simply copy the files in the
apps supporting file sharing feature plus you can copy paste music
files in the library without syncing, you just need to check the
option named "manage music manually" or something like that. I don't
have iTunes right now to check it out, I just remember it was called
something like that.


  S poštovanjem
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3.7.2016. u 21:07, trahern culver je
  napisao/la:


  hi all, 

I have the latest iPod touch 128gb version. 

my question to you all is this can i get an app that will allow me to place files directly on my iPod as if it had an SD card inside it? or would I have to jail brake my iPod to do this? 

your help with this question would be most welcome, kind regards trey.




  




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Re: KNFB reader

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi, Krister,
why don't you try with some kind of phone stand? You can get Fopydo
for iPhone for about 20 bucks shipping included.
With this, you simply lay the phone in the stand, set it to
apropriate height suggested in the user manual and put whatever you
need to OCR below. This could permanently solve problems you're
having.


  S poštovanjem
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3.7.2016. u 13:09, Krister Ekstrom je
  napisao/la:


  Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per session and still having the same results and since about everyone else seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
/Krister


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3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
/Krister

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  2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :

Hi Krister,

I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recr
eational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the flaming i'll get. 
/Krister


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2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :

But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
/Krister


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  2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :

Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:

  
I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
Thanks for the info
/Krister


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  2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 

Re: Voice dream writer

[Deidre Muccio]

Thanks for the encouragement. Yes when I hit on file manager the names file is 
there so I Sumiya text is attached to that. At any rate I'm going to use this 
to take down notes though I'm not sure it will be suitable for extensive long 
document writing. We'll see.

Deidre


> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre,
> 
> If I remember correctly, what you write is automatically saved unless you 
> delete it. I could be wrong though. I use this program all of the time for 
> notes. I used to use it for my minutes as secretary also. I'm pretty sure 
> that if you are using the cloud, everything you write is saved. I 
> unfortunately, don't know where the documentation is. Have a great time! 
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jennie Facer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 1:51 PM -0600, "Deidre Muccio" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hey people, 
>> I'm finally getting around to checking out voice dream writer. I downloaded 
>> it "many months ago but now I am actually thinking of using it!
>>  First off, I plan to dictate text even though I know that has some severe 
>> limitations. I just sampled doing that and I can get two or three sentences 
>> down there at a time. This may be better than inputting  by b yt  he 
>> keyboard with numb fingers! Problem is I can't seem to find the continuous 
>> help file in that discusses how to use the program. In tools when I hit on 
>> help I certainly get information but it's not continuous and it's not 
>> obvious by category. I thought I saw a link to the entire document somewhere 
>> but I haven't found it since. Also are there tutorials that people 
>> especially like that they can recommend? The most obvious thing that I 
>> haven't seen how to do so far is how to save what I just wrote! Can someone 
>> make this easy for me? Thanks.
>> 
>> Deidre
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Re: Voice dream writer

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Deidre,
If I remember correctly, what you write is automatically saved unless you 
delete it. I could be wrong though. I use this program all of the time for 
notes. I used to use it for my minutes as secretary also. I'm pretty sure that 
if you are using the cloud, everything you write is saved. I unfortunately, 
don't know where the documentation is. Have a great time! 
Jenn

Jennie Facer




On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 1:51 PM -0600, "Deidre Muccio" 
 wrote:










Hey people, 
I'm finally getting around to checking out voice dream writer. I downloaded it 
"many months ago but now I am actually thinking of using it!
 First off, I plan to dictate text even though I know that has some severe 
limitations. I just sampled doing that and I can get two or three sentences 
down there at a time. This may be better than inputting  by b yt  he keyboard 
with numb fingers! Problem is I can't seem to find the continuous help file in 
that discusses how to use the program. In tools when I hit on help I certainly 
get information but it's not continuous and it's not obvious by category. I 
thought I saw a link to the entire document somewhere but I haven't found it 
since. Also are there tutorials that people especially like that they can 
recommend? The most obvious thing that I haven't seen how to do so far is how 
to save what I just wrote! Can someone make this easy for me? Thanks.

Deidre

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Voice dream writer

[Deidre Muccio]

Hey people, 
I'm finally getting around to checking out voice dream writer. I downloaded it 
"many months ago but now I am actually thinking of using it!
 First off, I plan to dictate text even though I know that has some severe 
limitations. I just sampled doing that and I can get two or three sentences 
down there at a time. This may be better than inputting  by b yt  he keyboard 
with numb fingers! Problem is I can't seem to find the continuous help file in 
that discusses how to use the program. In tools when I hit on help I certainly 
get information but it's not continuous and it's not obvious by category. I 
thought I saw a link to the entire document somewhere but I haven't found it 
since. Also are there tutorials that people especially like that they can 
recommend? The most obvious thing that I haven't seen how to do so far is how 
to save what I just wrote! Can someone make this easy for me? Thanks.

Deidre

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iPod touch sd card style or jail brake mission?

[trahern culver]

hi all, 

I have the latest iPod touch 128gb version. 

my question to you all is this can i get an app that will allow me to place 
files directly on my iPod as if it had an SD card inside it? or would I have to 
jail brake my iPod to do this? 

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RE: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Cris Ali]

I just noticed that. Google deserves an applaud for doing this.  May be apple 
would follow suit, although I doubt it.

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for android

Well, if you go to the Play Store, you'll see the message:

KNFB Reader is supported by Google in an effort to provide tools to increase 
independence. For a limited time, KNFB Reader can be purchased for 80% off the 
regular price.

On 03/07/16 13:09, Cris Ali wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent 
> discount forthe android.
>
> I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizesthe 
> sale and the app store does not?  I am just curious!
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Re: KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, if you go to the Play Store, you'll see the message:

KNFB Reader is supported by Google in an effort to provide tools to 
increase independence. For a limited time, KNFB Reader can be purchased 
for 80% off the regular price.


On 03/07/16 13:09, Cris Ali wrote:

Hello folks,

KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent
discount forthe android.

I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizesthe
sale and the app store does not?  I am just curious!

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KNFB reader is at a 35 percent discount for the IOS and 80 percent for android

[Cris Ali]

Hello folks,
KNFB reader is at 35 percent discount for the iOS and 80 percent discount
for the android.
I wonder why the difference? Is it that the play store subsidizes the sale
and the app store does not?  I am just curious!

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Re: Recover deleted sms on iPhone

[rajmund]

HI,
Actually, there might be.  Restore the phone to the backup, 
before which, the message was deleted.  It works, I can confirm.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth  wrote:

Hello list
Is there a way to recover a deleted sms? I accidentally deleted 
a sms which I wanted to keep.

Regards
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Re: Recover deleted sms on iPhone

[christopher hallsworth]

No there isn’t, unfortunately.
> On 3 Jul 2016, at 16:33, Fanus  wrote:
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> Hello list
> Is there a way to recover a deleted sms? I accidentally deleted a sms which I 
> wanted to keep.
> Regards
> Fanus
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Re: KNFB reader

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you want 
to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus  wrote:

Hello Krister
If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about 
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to 
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is 
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only 
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my 
pc.
Regards
Fanus
 
 
From: Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

Skickat från min iPhone

> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> Krista,
> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the 
> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try 
> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting 
> good results.
> 
> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say 
> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this 
> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the 
> camera with the phone 

Re: KNFB reader

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Krister,

I wonder if you have been doing what I did! You need to use the back camera, so 
check that your camera settings are such that you will be using that one then 
try again! Remember you need the glass uppermost now why you are taking your 
photo!



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 3 Jul 2016, at 16:02, Bill Gallik  wrote:

Hmm, from Krista’s comments I have to wonder if there’s a problem with the 
camera on the iPhone!  Maybe the lens is smeared or the camera components are 
faulty.

I wonder if taking a photograph of an object yields a clear picture? Could you 
ask a sighted acquaintance to try taking a phot and ask how that turns out.

Just offering something.
Bill Gallik
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Recover deleted sms on iPhone

[Fanus]

Hello list
Is there a way to recover a deleted sms? I accidentally deleted a sms which I 
wanted to keep.
Regards
Fanus

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Re: KNFB Reader: to anyone who nay be hesitating

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Here's another trick, I just tried it out. Below is an example, not perfect, 
but good enough for a general overview.

What I did: all tables and chairs, in the west, conform to a certain ratio 
of height, from tabletop to chair seat. I pulled a dining-room chair out from 
the table, as if I wre going to sit on it. I placed a newspaper, folded into 
quarters, which is the normal way it is folded when not being read, and put it 
on the chair seat. I put my phone on the table top, as near as I could judge, 
roughly, central to the paper beneath. i slid the camera end of the phone over 
the edge of the table, maybe to half way and took the shot. Here it is! No 
judgement needed!

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is certainly not definitive, it does offer some insight as to why the 
popularity of camping in Britain continues to rise. Tent sales and campsite 
bookings are on the up, many of the better sites are already almost full for 
August and every weekend, thousands of Brits head for the hills in search of 
some elusive calm. In an age where ever-more advanced leisure pursuits are 
available, from city-sized theme parks to luxury spa weekends, it's strangely 
comforting to know that so many of us just want to keep it simple and go and 
sit in a field, and it is surely a reaction to the pressure of everyday life. 
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I think it goes off at the bottom because that is where the paper is folded, a 
very loose fold, more of a curl. Basically, there are loads of ways to get the 
KNFB Reader to work for you, even with unsteady hands or a bad sense of 
distance.

HTH, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 15:34, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Krister, I find something that helps a lot is to brace the phone against my 
> chin when doing both the field of view report and when taking the actual 
> picture. My two biggest problems are holding the phone steady, (something 
> which bracing the phone against my chin helps with a lot) and turning the 
> phone in small enough increments that I don't seriously inpact the alignment. 
> It takes very tiny movements to turn a few degrees. The smaller the movement, 
> the better. I hope some of this can help you a little to get better results 
> with the app.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For me, the knfb reader has basically been a waste of money. Practically all 
>> i get is gibberish and no matter in which painful angles i twist my arms, 
>> hands and body, i get that the paper rotated so many degrees clockwise or 
>> anticlockwise and never a single time have i gotten all the bloody corners 
>> visible. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 1 juli 2016 kl. 15:10 skrev Wayne Merritt :
>>> 
>>> Greetings. There have been other OCR apps for free or anywhere from $2
>>> to $15. Granted, these may be apps which work perfectly well, but
>>> remember, you get what you pay for. I bought Prismo many years ago and
>>> was never really able to get it to work. I later found out that it is
>>> an app which gets better each time you use it. Now take the KNFB
>>> Reader; there are two buttons in the middle of the screen: take
>>> picture, and point of view report. Pretty much all you do is point and
>>> shoot, regardless of the paper's orientation. I don't use the app as
>>> much as others on this list, but when I have print to read, it works
>>> nearly every time.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 7/1/16, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 Kimber,
 
 That's great that you were able to get the Knfb reader at such a good price
 and that it worked so well right out of the gate. My experience with it has
 been similar to yours in that it misses an occasional word but by and 
 large,
 it does an outstanding job.
 
 All the best with your continued use of the Knfb reader.
 
 Alan Lemly
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Kimber Gardner 
> wrote:
> 
> First, let me say that I have no financial in whether or not anyone
> 

Re: KNFB reader

[Bill Gallik]

Hmm, from Krista’s comments I have to wonder if there’s a problem with the 
camera on the iPhone!  Maybe the lens is smeared or the camera components are 
faulty.

I wonder if taking a photograph of an object yields a clear picture? Could you 
ask a sighted acquaintance to try taking a phot and ask how that turns out.

Just offering something.
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Re: Strange thing happening when using the braille input mode

[englishrider91]

I think there's a section on this issue in the AppleVis guide to Braille Screen 
Input.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:16 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s by design. Always have done this since it was introduced in iOS 8. Use 
> it every day so should know . Try to learn to live with it.
>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 07:39, Carla Savage  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks, 
>> I'm having a strange issue whilst using braille input mode. The dots have 
>> changed so I have to turn my phone into landscape mode with the home button 
>> on the left rather than the right as I was used to. I've tried 
>> re-calibrating the dots but it seems to prefer the other way round. Any 
>> suggestions as to how to correct this? It's not a deal breaker as I'm mainly 
>> use MBrailbbe to write or my Mini Seika via bluetooth but for quick texts, I 
>> do use the braille input mode. 
>> Thanks in advance for any help, 
>> Carla. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: KNFB Reader: to anyone who nay be hesitating

[englishrider91]

Krister, I find something that helps a lot is to brace the phone against my 
chin when doing both the field of view report and when taking the actual 
picture. My two biggest problems are holding the phone steady, (something which 
bracing the phone against my chin helps with a lot) and turning the phone in 
small enough increments that I don't seriously inpact the alignment. It takes 
very tiny movements to turn a few degrees. The smaller the movement, the 
better. I hope some of this can help you a little to get better results with 
the app.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> For me, the knfb reader has basically been a waste of money. Practically all 
> i get is gibberish and no matter in which painful angles i twist my arms, 
> hands and body, i get that the paper rotated so many degrees clockwise or 
> anticlockwise and never a single time have i gotten all the bloody corners 
> visible. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 1 juli 2016 kl. 15:10 skrev Wayne Merritt :
>> 
>> Greetings. There have been other OCR apps for free or anywhere from $2
>> to $15. Granted, these may be apps which work perfectly well, but
>> remember, you get what you pay for. I bought Prismo many years ago and
>> was never really able to get it to work. I later found out that it is
>> an app which gets better each time you use it. Now take the KNFB
>> Reader; there are two buttons in the middle of the screen: take
>> picture, and point of view report. Pretty much all you do is point and
>> shoot, regardless of the paper's orientation. I don't use the app as
>> much as others on this list, but when I have print to read, it works
>> nearly every time.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 7/1/16, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> Kimber,
>>> 
>>> That's great that you were able to get the Knfb reader at such a good price
>>> and that it worked so well right out of the gate. My experience with it has
>>> been similar to yours in that it misses an occasional word but by and large,
>>> it does an outstanding job.
>>> 
>>> All the best with your continued use of the Knfb reader.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Kimber Gardner 
 wrote:
 
 First, let me say that I have no financial in whether or not anyone
 purchases the KNFB reader. Until now I've been a bit reluctant to spend so
 much money on an app, but this morning I decided to take the plunge. And
 let me say, wow! I am impressed.
 
 I had a minor medical procedure yesterday and upon discharge I was given a
 pile of papers which included my reported results. For the first time in
 my life, I was able to read my report in privacy and independently.
 Granted, not every word was absolutely correct, but I would say that 95
 percent of the printed material was clear and intelligible which is darn
 impressive imo.
 
 So if you are still wondering if this app is worth 65 dollars, all I can
 is that for me it was a good investment. I can imagine myself using the
 KNFB reader on a daily basis.
 
 Sent from Kimber's iPad
 
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re: Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth

[rajmund]

Hi,
Battery life is personal.  I can't see how this would increase 
it, although with 0 brightness, it could.
I know for a fact, if I don't use certain apps, I can get an 
extra 2 hours of my phone, but, this is an interesting point.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy  Accessibility because it will result in longer battery 
use.  Is

this true?

Here's an online discussion which states the grayscale feature 
will do
nothing to reduce battery consumption, and it might even increase 
loss of

battery life.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/202370/does-the-grayscal
e-feature-o
f-ios-8-extend-the-battery-life

Please let me know if I should turn on grayscale or leave this 
option off.


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Grayscale for low power consumption - is this a myth

[Jeremy]

Hi all, 

I recently had a discussion with a small group of blind iPhone users, and a
few of them told me that I should turn on the grayscale option within
General > Accessibility because it will result in longer battery use. Is
this true? 

Here's an online discussion which states the grayscale feature will do
nothing to reduce battery consumption, and it might even increase loss of
battery life. 
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Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Annie,
I do know this for certain, but back will not work on the highest setting of 
your router. now, whether they will change this in the future, or, how easy it 
would be for you to change the setting yourself when needed, I don't know.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 13:40, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandra.
> 
> Yes I would love one of these vacuum cleaners, I need sighted assistance for 
> vacuum cleaning, and if that could be saved sometimes, it could mean a little 
> more freedom to me. My only problem now is if I would get in trouble with all 
> my 5 ghz attached items. The 2.4 ghz is not working as good as the 5 ghz 
> network. I have talked to my brother he thinks it ought to work, but he is 
> also blind, but he knows a lot about routers, that is not something that I am 
> an expert in.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 3. jul. 2016 kl. 14.27 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> :
>> 
>> Annie,
>> If your router is set to the 2.4, you should be good to go! You could always 
>> double check by going to neato robotics.calm and look on their help/support 
>> pages.
>> 
>> does this mean you're thinking of going for it? Wi-Fi not with standing? my 
>> partner, fully sighted, reckons he could talk a person through tapping In 
>> the right places using face time. but I think the neato people would be 
>> better! However, lettuce know if we can help.
>> Good luck, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:51, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandra.
>>> 
>>> I have cheked it, it uses the 2,4 ghz standard. I am a little in doubt if 
>>> that can give me problems. My router supports both the 2,4 and 5 ghz, but I 
>>> am in doubt if I will need to change network to the speciffic 2,4 when I 
>>> need to use the vacuum cleaner? With sonos I can use my normal network, but 
>>> will it be the same with the bootvac, I am not intirely sure?
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
 Den 1. jul. 2016 kl. 12.49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 :
 
 Annie,
 
 As things stand, at the moment, we do need sighted assistance to set up 
 the wifi. The person doesn't need to be tech savvy, but the touch screen 
 is not at all accessible.
 
 I would estimate, so long as your router is using the 250  and not the 500 
 channel, (Annie, I probably have put that wrong and even the numbers are 
 only approximates, but, basically, routers run on two different levels, 
 most, however, seem to be using the right one for the Vacuum so, worth 
 checking this out first?) going back to my original sentence, so long as 
 your router is right, I estimate that you should only need this sighted 
 assistance for about 10 minutes. It actually only takes about 1 minute, or 
 less, to set up the wifi on the vac, but you then have to do some stuff on 
 your phone. All this, we can do, no problem, but, if it goes wrong, as 
 with me, first time (putting in the password to the wifi wrongly) or as it 
 did with Marie, you might need to get the sighted assistant to set up the 
 wifi again on the Bot.
 
 What we need is someone who can see well enough and has patience enough 
 (my partner only qualifies on one front, so he's no use to me for this!) 
 because, I think that each screen of the touch screen is both simple and 
 prefixed. I think we could make a sort of template with dots, rather like 
 the speed-dots screen protectors, the might make it possible for someone 
 with no sight to set up the wifi, but this is only an idea at the moment. 
 
 Would it be at all possible for you to find someone for 10 minutes? Or, if 
 you are fairly dexterous, using Be My Eyes, or, better still, with the 
 customer support on a facetime call, you might (but I haven't tried it, 
 will do so later) be able to have your finger directed to the right spot. 
 I think, all in all, it only takes about 3/4 spots to be touched, but you 
 cannot touch the screen, or you will mess it up, you must only touch the 
 exact places.
 
 Oh! What a long and unuseful response! In short, if you possibly can, get 
 some help, otherwise, you may well feel extremely disappointed and 
 frustrated.
 
 If someone else here, who has one of these lovely Bots, can chime in with 
 something more positive to say, I do hope they do. I will finish with this 
 though, once set up, the bot will hold that setting unless someone changes 
 it. For this reason, I try not to touch the touch screen.
 
 HTH, Sandy.  
 
 sent from the dark side of the moon
 
> On 1 Jul 2016, at 10:29, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandra and all.
> 
> I am concidering buying one of 

Re: KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

'The Light Detector app could help.
But, I'm wondering if the issue isn't that the paper and the background you 
have it on are too much the same color, so KNFB Reader can't detect the 
edges/corners of the page.
Perhaps get a square of black fabric a few centimeters larger than the paper to 
put the paper on?

'HTH,
Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi, please don't get ne wrong. I am trying to form an image in my mind of 
> what you're saying but for now it doesn't quite work. Will try it though. 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:28 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get 
>> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been 
>> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the 
>>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per 
>>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else 
>>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe 
>>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am 
>>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain 
>>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
 measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind 
 people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
 I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
 where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
 longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time 
 practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
 /Krister
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I 
> was simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the 
> list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to 
> explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal 
> and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the 
> German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in 
> my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 
> foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and 
> hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special 
> awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my 
> sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of 
> course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and 
> was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so 
> balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely 
> hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt 
> myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to 
> do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply 
> my fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and 
> not say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in 
> the least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too 
> dumb to understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve 
> all the flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 

Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Sandra.

Yes I would love one of these vacuum cleaners, I need sighted assistance for 
vacuum cleaning, and if that could be saved sometimes, it could mean a little 
more freedom to me. My only problem now is if I would get in trouble with all 
my 5 ghz attached items. The 2.4 ghz is not working as good as the 5 ghz 
network. I have talked to my brother he thinks it ought to work, but he is also 
blind, but he knows a lot about routers, that is not something that I am an 
expert in.

Best regards Annie.
> Den 3. jul. 2016 kl. 14.27 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> :
> 
> Annie,
> If your router is set to the 2.4, you should be good to go! You could always 
> double check by going to neato robotics.calm and look on their help/support 
> pages.
> 
> does this mean you're thinking of going for it? Wi-Fi not with standing? my 
> partner, fully sighted, reckons he could talk a person through tapping In the 
> right places using face time. but I think the neato people would be better! 
> However, lettuce know if we can help.
> Good luck, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:51, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandra.
>> 
>> I have cheked it, it uses the 2,4 ghz standard. I am a little in doubt if 
>> that can give me problems. My router supports both the 2,4 and 5 ghz, but I 
>> am in doubt if I will need to change network to the speciffic 2,4 when I 
>> need to use the vacuum cleaner? With sonos I can use my normal network, but 
>> will it be the same with the bootvac, I am not intirely sure?
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 1. jul. 2016 kl. 12.49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Annie,
>>> 
>>>  As things stand, at the moment, we do need sighted assistance to set up 
>>> the wifi. The person doesn't need to be tech savvy, but the touch screen is 
>>> not at all accessible.
>>> 
>>>  I would estimate, so long as your router is using the 250  and not the 500 
>>> channel, (Annie, I probably have put that wrong and even the numbers are 
>>> only approximates, but, basically, routers run on two different levels, 
>>> most, however, seem to be using the right one for the Vacuum so, worth 
>>> checking this out first?) going back to my original sentence, so long as 
>>> your router is right, I estimate that you should only need this sighted 
>>> assistance for about 10 minutes. It actually only takes about 1 minute, or 
>>> less, to set up the wifi on the vac, but you then have to do some stuff on 
>>> your phone. All this, we can do, no problem, but, if it goes wrong, as with 
>>> me, first time (putting in the password to the wifi wrongly) or as it did 
>>> with Marie, you might need to get the sighted assistant to set up the wifi 
>>> again on the Bot.
>>> 
>>>  What we need is someone who can see well enough and has patience enough 
>>> (my partner only qualifies on one front, so he's no use to me for this!) 
>>> because, I think that each screen of the touch screen is both simple and 
>>> prefixed. I think we could make a sort of template with dots, rather like 
>>> the speed-dots screen protectors, the might make it possible for someone 
>>> with no sight to set up the wifi, but this is only an idea at the moment. 
>>> 
>>>  Would it be at all possible for you to find someone for 10 minutes? Or, if 
>>> you are fairly dexterous, using Be My Eyes, or, better still, with the 
>>> customer support on a facetime call, you might (but I haven't tried it, 
>>> will do so later) be able to have your finger directed to the right spot. I 
>>> think, all in all, it only takes about 3/4 spots to be touched, but you 
>>> cannot touch the screen, or you will mess it up, you must only touch the 
>>> exact places.
>>> 
>>>  Oh! What a long and unuseful response! In short, if you possibly can, get 
>>> some help, otherwise, you may well feel extremely disappointed and 
>>> frustrated.
>>> 
>>>  If someone else here, who has one of these lovely Bots, can chime in with 
>>> something more positive to say, I do hope they do. I will finish with this 
>>> though, once set up, the bot will hold that setting unless someone changes 
>>> it. For this reason, I try not to touch the touch screen.
>>> 
>>> HTH, Sandy.  
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 1 Jul 2016, at 10:29, Annie Skov Nielsen  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Sandra and all.
 
 I am concidering buying one of these vacuum cleaners, but can we connect 
 it to the wifi the first time or do that require sighted assistance? I do 
 not have any sighted assistance, so it would be important for me that I 
 can connect it myself.
 
 Best regards Annie.
> Den 14. jun. 2016 kl. 15.14 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> After a little panic on my part, i now find I can use the app a little 

Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Annie,
If your router is set to the 2.4, you should be good to go! You could always 
double check by going to neato robotics.calm and look on their help/support 
pages.

does this mean you're thinking of going for it? Wi-Fi not with standing? my 
partner, fully sighted, reckons he could talk a person through tapping In the 
right places using face time. but I think the neato people would be better! 
However, lettuce know if we can help.
Good luck, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:51, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandra.
> 
> I have cheked it, it uses the 2,4 ghz standard. I am a little in doubt if 
> that can give me problems. My router supports both the 2,4 and 5 ghz, but I 
> am in doubt if I will need to change network to the speciffic 2,4 when I need 
> to use the vacuum cleaner? With sonos I can use my normal network, but will 
> it be the same with the bootvac, I am not intirely sure?
> 
> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 1. jul. 2016 kl. 12.49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> :
>> 
>> Annie,
>> 
>>   As things stand, at the moment, we do need sighted assistance to set up 
>> the wifi. The person doesn't need to be tech savvy, but the touch screen is 
>> not at all accessible.
>> 
>>   I would estimate, so long as your router is using the 250  and not the 500 
>> channel, (Annie, I probably have put that wrong and even the numbers are 
>> only approximates, but, basically, routers run on two different levels, 
>> most, however, seem to be using the right one for the Vacuum so, worth 
>> checking this out first?) going back to my original sentence, so long as 
>> your router is right, I estimate that you should only need this sighted 
>> assistance for about 10 minutes. It actually only takes about 1 minute, or 
>> less, to set up the wifi on the vac, but you then have to do some stuff on 
>> your phone. All this, we can do, no problem, but, if it goes wrong, as with 
>> me, first time (putting in the password to the wifi wrongly) or as it did 
>> with Marie, you might need to get the sighted assistant to set up the wifi 
>> again on the Bot.
>> 
>>   What we need is someone who can see well enough and has patience enough 
>> (my partner only qualifies on one front, so he's no use to me for this!) 
>> because, I think that each screen of the touch screen is both simple and 
>> prefixed. I think we could make a sort of template with dots, rather like 
>> the speed-dots screen protectors, the might make it possible for someone 
>> with no sight to set up the wifi, but this is only an idea at the moment. 
>> 
>>   Would it be at all possible for you to find someone for 10 minutes? Or, if 
>> you are fairly dexterous, using Be My Eyes, or, better still, with the 
>> customer support on a facetime call, you might (but I haven't tried it, will 
>> do so later) be able to have your finger directed to the right spot. I 
>> think, all in all, it only takes about 3/4 spots to be touched, but you 
>> cannot touch the screen, or you will mess it up, you must only touch the 
>> exact places.
>> 
>>   Oh! What a long and unuseful response! In short, if you possibly can, get 
>> some help, otherwise, you may well feel extremely disappointed and 
>> frustrated.
>> 
>>   If someone else here, who has one of these lovely Bots, can chime in with 
>> something more positive to say, I do hope they do. I will finish with this 
>> though, once set up, the bot will hold that setting unless someone changes 
>> it. For this reason, I try not to touch the touch screen.
>> 
>> HTH, Sandy.  
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 10:29, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandra and all.
>>> 
>>> I am concidering buying one of these vacuum cleaners, but can we connect it 
>>> to the wifi the first time or do that require sighted assistance? I do not 
>>> have any sighted assistance, so it would be important for me that I can 
>>> connect it myself.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
 Den 14. jun. 2016 kl. 15.14 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 :
 
 Hi all,
 
 After a little panic on my part, i now find I can use the app a little 
 better! i just managed to change Turbo to Eco. I just did a spot clean, 
 when it cleans an area, either 2 meters x 2 meters or 4 meters x 4 meters. 
 Then it returns to base. I did this by just pressing a button, so very 
 easy. Useful for rugs or single rooms. My issues with my house network 
 wifi settings are almost resolved, touch wood. I am discovering that the 
 best way to deal with the vac is to let it do its own thing, I.E., "clean 
 house" either with the app or just press a button, there are only two 
 buttons, and then leaving it to finish. From my reading, this is true for 
 all users, but especially for us, as not all notifications are sent to the 

format and reinstall Mac

[Gianni]

Dear, 
Does anyone have a step to step guide on how to format and install a MacBook. 
Is it possible for us to do this, I'm blind.


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
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Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Sandra.

I have cheked it, it uses the 2,4 ghz standard. I am a little in doubt if that 
can give me problems. My router supports both the 2,4 and 5 ghz, but I am in 
doubt if I will need to change network to the speciffic 2,4 when I need to use 
the vacuum cleaner? With sonos I can use my normal network, but will it be the 
same with the bootvac, I am not intirely sure?

Best regards Annie.
> Den 1. jul. 2016 kl. 12.49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> :
> 
> Annie,
> 
>As things stand, at the moment, we do need sighted assistance to set up 
> the wifi. The person doesn't need to be tech savvy, but the touch screen is 
> not at all accessible.
> 
>I would estimate, so long as your router is using the 250  and not the 500 
> channel, (Annie, I probably have put that wrong and even the numbers are only 
> approximates, but, basically, routers run on two different levels, most, 
> however, seem to be using the right one for the Vacuum so, worth checking 
> this out first?) going back to my original sentence, so long as your router 
> is right, I estimate that you should only need this sighted assistance for 
> about 10 minutes. It actually only takes about 1 minute, or less, to set up 
> the wifi on the vac, but you then have to do some stuff on your phone. All 
> this, we can do, no problem, but, if it goes wrong, as with me, first time 
> (putting in the password to the wifi wrongly) or as it did with Marie, you 
> might need to get the sighted assistant to set up the wifi again on the Bot.
> 
>What we need is someone who can see well enough and has patience enough 
> (my partner only qualifies on one front, so he's no use to me for this!) 
> because, I think that each screen of the touch screen is both simple and 
> prefixed. I think we could make a sort of template with dots, rather like the 
> speed-dots screen protectors, the might make it possible for someone with no 
> sight to set up the wifi, but this is only an idea at the moment. 
> 
>Would it be at all possible for you to find someone for 10 minutes? Or, if 
> you are fairly dexterous, using Be My Eyes, or, better still, with the 
> customer support on a facetime call, you might (but I haven't tried it, will 
> do so later) be able to have your finger directed to the right spot. I think, 
> all in all, it only takes about 3/4 spots to be touched, but you cannot touch 
> the screen, or you will mess it up, you must only touch the exact places.
> 
>Oh! What a long and unuseful response! In short, if you possibly can, get 
> some help, otherwise, you may well feel extremely disappointed and frustrated.
> 
>If someone else here, who has one of these lovely Bots, can chime in with 
> something more positive to say, I do hope they do. I will finish with this 
> though, once set up, the bot will hold that setting unless someone changes 
> it. For this reason, I try not to touch the touch screen.
> 
> HTH, Sandy.  
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 10:29, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sandra and all.
>> 
>> I am concidering buying one of these vacuum cleaners, but can we connect it 
>> to the wifi the first time or do that require sighted assistance? I do not 
>> have any sighted assistance, so it would be important for me that I can 
>> connect it myself.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 14. jun. 2016 kl. 15.14 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>>  After a little panic on my part, i now find I can use the app a little 
>>> better! i just managed to change Turbo to Eco. I just did a spot clean, 
>>> when it cleans an area, either 2 meters x 2 meters or 4 meters x 4 meters. 
>>> Then it returns to base. I did this by just pressing a button, so very 
>>> easy. Useful for rugs or single rooms. My issues with my house network wifi 
>>> settings are almost resolved, touch wood. I am discovering that the best 
>>> way to deal with the vac is to let it do its own thing, I.E., "clean house" 
>>> either with the app or just press a button, there are only two buttons, and 
>>> then leaving it to finish. From my reading, this is true for all users, but 
>>> especially for us, as not all notifications are sent to the app, some show 
>>> up on the onboard screen and need to be read. I find it a bit concerning 
>>> replacing the Bot on its dock, visually, you can tell by the lights that it 
>>> is in the right position, but without the clues, hard to tell. So a quick 
>>> way to be sure would be to do a "spot clean" by pressing one button, when 
>>> it has finished, it will go home and play a tune and send a message. 
>>> 
>>> Still very happy, floors cleaner than they have been for years! 
>>> Smug, Sandy.   
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
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Re: KNFB reader

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, please don't get ne wrong. I am trying to form an image in my mind of what 
you're saying but for now it doesn't quite work. Will try it though. 

Skickat från min iPhone

> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:28 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get 
> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been 
> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the 
>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per 
>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else 
>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe 
>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am 
>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain 
>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
>>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind 
>>> people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
>>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
>>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
>>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time 
>>> practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
 
 Hi Krister,
 
 I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
 this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was 
 simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list 
 regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to 
 explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal 
 and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the 
 German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in 
 my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 
 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and 
 hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special 
 awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my 
 sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of 
 course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and 
 was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so 
 balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely 
 hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself 
 it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
 Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
 difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to 
 do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
 Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
 understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
 fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not 
 say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the 
 least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
 understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
 flaming i'll get. 
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>> 
>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
>>> Thanks for the info
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat 

Re: KNFB reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

with regard to the lighting, keep the flash turned on always!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:28, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get 
> weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been 
> told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the 
>> later, i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per 
>> session and still having the same results and since about everyone else 
>> seems to manage extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe 
>> as i say that it's me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am 
>> still looking for a miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain 
>> click but as things stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
>>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind 
>>> people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
>>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
>>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
>>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time 
>>> practicing with me so that's where it stands. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
 
 Hi Krister,
 
 I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
 this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was 
 simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list 
 regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to 
 explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal 
 and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the 
 German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in 
 my class had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 
 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and 
 hours of O training but simply had no sense of direction or special 
 awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my 
 sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of 
 course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and 
 was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so 
 balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely 
 hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself 
 it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
 Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
 difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to 
 do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB reader
 
 Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
 understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
 fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not 
 say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the 
 least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
 understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
 flaming i'll get. 
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>> 
>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
>>> Thanks for the info
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 

Re: KNFB reader

[Krister Ekstrom]

Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get weird 
results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been told. 
Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?

Skickat från min iPhone

> 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the later, 
> i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per session and 
> still having the same results and since about everyone else seems to manage 
> extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe as i say that it's 
> me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am still looking for a 
> miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain click but as things 
> stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of 
>> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people 
>> but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
>> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update 
>> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no 
>> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing 
>> with me so that's where it stands. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
>>> 
>>> Hi Krister,
>>> 
>>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across 
>>> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was 
>>> simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list 
>>> regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain 
>>> what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and 
>>> certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German 
>>> Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class 
>>> had such poor O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 
>>> meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O 
>>> training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it 
>>> is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, 
>>> balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect 
>>> sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive 
>>> gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an 
>>> issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a 
>>> fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer 
>>> than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
>>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
>>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
>>> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
>>> 
>>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
>>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
>>> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not 
>>> say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the 
>>> least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
>>> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
>>> flaming i'll get. 
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
> 
> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
>> Thanks for the info
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
>>> 
>>> Krista,
>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't 
>>> the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to 
>>> try again 

Re: KNFB reader

[Krister Ekstrom]

Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the later, i 
think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per session and still 
having the same results and since about everyone else seems to manage extremely 
well almost from day one, it leads me to believe as i say that it's me who's 
stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am still looking for a miracle, 
something tthat will make my stupid old brain click but as things stand now i 
must admit i've more or less given up. 
/Krister


Skickat från min iPhone

> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
> at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
> centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
> corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer 
> can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me 
> so that's where it stands. 
> /Krister
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
>> 
>> Hi Krister,
>> 
>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
>> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
>> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
>> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
>> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks 
>> are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
>> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
>> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
>> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
>> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
>> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
>> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
>> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
>> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
>> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
>> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years 
>> ago *smile*.
>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
>> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
>> 
>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
>> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
>> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
>> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
>> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
>> flaming i'll get. 
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
 
 Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
 hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
 At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
> Thanks for the info
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
>> 
>> Krista,
>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the 
>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try 
>> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting 
>> good results.
>> 
>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say 
>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this 
>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the 
>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree 
>> that it is 

Re: KNFB reader

[Fanus]

Hello Krister
If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about 
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to 
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is 
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only 
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my 
pc.
Regards
Fanus


From: Krister Ekstrom 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: KNFB reader

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

Skickat från min iPhone

> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 /Krister
 
 
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> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> Krista,
> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the 
> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try 
> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting 
> good results.
> 
> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say 
> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this 
> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the 
> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that 
> it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do 
> you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with 
> you. but, from personal experience, having 

Re: KNFB reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Krister,

I don't know if this will help: if you are shooting a piece of paper in 
portrait, with the phone also in portrait, then you lift the phone equal to the 
length of the longest side.

   So, if the paper is, say, 12 x 8, you will lift it 12 inches. You don't have 
to have a sense of inches, you could just stand the paper vertically, for a 
moment, to get an idea of the height you will have to lift the phone. Notice 
the position of your arms/elbows and try to aim for that.

HTH, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jul 2016, at 11:50, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> 

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Re: KNFB reader

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring 
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, 
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. 
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where 
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can 
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so 
that's where it stands. 
/Krister

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> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this 
> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply 
> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding 
> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they 
> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are 
> very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High 
> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor 
> O skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide 
> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O training but 
> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me 
> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and 
> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the 
> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback 
> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even 
> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of 
> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago 
> *smile*.
> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it 
> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do 
> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
> 
> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't 
> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my 
> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say 
> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least 
> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to 
> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the 
> flaming i'll get. 
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne :
>>> 
>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, 
>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
 I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it 
 free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
 Thanks for the info
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> Krista,
> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the 
> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try 
> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting 
> good results.
> 
> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say 
> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this 
> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the 
> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that 
> it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do 
> you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with 
> you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see 
> what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first 
> started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for 
> me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my 
> case.
> 
> feel free to ask for ideas,
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom 
>> <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How nice 

Re: Problems with camera and KNFB Reader and Looktel Money Reader

[Richard Turner]

Sieghard,
That surprises me less with TapTapSee, since it uses the cloud and maybe there 
was something odd going on with their servers.
But, KNFB Reader and Money Reader do everything on the device.
Very strange.
Glad your issue cleared itself up.
For the person having this issue with KNFB and Money Reader, that sounds either 
hardware or resources. Who knows.
I hope it gets sorted.
Richard


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are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
>  
> When this happened to me it was on my iPhone 6S Plus, I had only Audible and 
> one other app in the app switcher and I’m currently using only maybe 20 Gb of 
> my 64 Gb iPhone 6S Plus. The funny thing was that I don’t think I even 
> rebooted, it just seemed to work again later on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 3:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problems with camera and KNFB Reader and Looktel Money Reader
>  
>  
> I've never seen that with either app. That sounds like a resource issue.
> I assume no other apps are running?
> Have you tried clearing out the memory by holding down the power button until 
> it says power off, then release the power button and hold down the home 
> button until it speaks again.
> Which phone is this?
> How much room do you have in its storage?
> The last resort would be your solution of reinstalling the iOS.
> Richard
>  
> 
> (From a poster of a church cemetery)
> When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for 
> the others.
>  
> It's the same when you are stupid.
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:38 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Wondering if someone else can duplicate my issue as it is quite limiting.
> 
> I am using iOS 9.3.2 and experiencing an issue of the camera only working for 
> a few seconds after starting Looktel money reader. The best I can tell is it 
> works for about 20 seconds. I am one who saves my unidentified money until 
> there is quite a considerable pile and then tries to identify it all in one 
> session. While I admit that this is not the most expeditious approach, it's 
> the way I prefer.
> 
> Has anyone encountered a problem where the currency is not identified after a 
> few seconds of use of the app? The only thing I can do to make it work again 
> is remove it from the app switcher.
> 
> I also encounter a similar problem with the KNFB Reader. After a few uses of 
> the camera, it seems to stop working. It will not take picture. Again, I must 
> remove it from the app switcher.
> 
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Re: Word Ladder

[Jewel]

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From: "Victor Gouveia" 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:25 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Word Ladder

Jewel,

You do realize that there are three or so number of pages within the game
packs, right?

Unfortunately, the developer, whom I've been in contact with, has been
notified that Voiceover does not change the pages, so I'm afraid the only
remedy for this is to turn Voiceover off, then swipe from right to left at
the bottom of the screen.

This will turn the page, and Voila, many more games to go.

I'm sorry, I thought you had noticed the page one of three at the bottom of
the screen.

Let me know how it goes.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Jewel
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Word Ladder

I have asked this question before, and if there was an answer, I did not see
it.
Finding the daily game is simple and straightforward, but finding others
that I have not, already,
played is very time-consuming and is a real pain in the neck.
It would be lovely if, once a game has been completed, it could be marked as
having been so, and it
was deleted from the list, but, as far as I know, there is no way of doing
this.
I have tried opening different game packs, and double-tapping a number, but
this is very unreliable
and it rarely results in me being shown a game that I have not played:  and
I know that there are
oodles of these.
  If I go right down the list until I reach game pack 28, no matter what
number I tap on, I am,
invariably, presented with game 1124, and, I can tell you frankly, that I am
getting, heartily,
sick and tired of game 1124! not that I ever play it.
Last night, I tried going beyond game pack 28, and came to new games coming
soon, a promise that, I
fear, is very long in the keeping, but I was presented with games that I had
played, although, I
must say, that they were ones that I had played long ago, but which were,
still, vaguely familiar.
Has anyone discovered if there is a way of clicking on unplayed games?

  Jewel

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RE: Thread hijacking

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jewel,

This is Mark, the moderator of this group.

Alan is absolutely correct.  Thread hijacking is extremely inconvenient to 
those of us using threaded conversation views in our email clients.  

I believe it depends on the mailing list domain server-side settings but, in 
the case of Google groups, removing the contents of the original message and 
changing the subject line will not remove the original message header 
information.  

Consequently, as Alan suggested, be certain to create a new message to the 
list, from scratch.

Quote, "If you can't remember the posting address of the list, please copy it 
from a message to which you are replying, cancel that message, start a brand 
new message, and paste the address you copied into the To field. Now you can 
type in your new subject since you'll be starting a new thread." End Quote.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thread hijacking

I apologise.  I thought that I had removed all traces of the KNFB post.
As I often do this,  to save myself the bother of typing the address for a new 
message, I do the reply to on an existing message to the list, and then remove 
all traces of it.
Apparently, on this occasion, I must have neglected to do this.
NOOne, in the past, has advised me that they have a problem with it.

   Jewel

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From: "Alan Lemly" 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:28 PM
To: 
Subject: Thread hijacking was Re: Word Ladder was KNFB Reader

Jewel,

I realize I'm not the moderator and I beg Mark's and Cara's forgiveness, but 
when you reply to another post and change the subject, you hijack the thread as 
you just did with this thread on the Knfb reader. Those of us who read email by 
threads as I do on my iPhone get messed up if we're following the thread you 
hijacked either because we're interested or we posted to it as I did. Even if 
you completely erase the thread history and totally replace the subject, the 
message is tagged in such a way that the posting history is still tied to the 
thread yet those following along by subject using a threaded email client will 
be out of luck since you've hijacked the subject.

If you can't remember the posting address of the list, please copy it from a 
message to which you are replying, cancel that message, start a brand new 
message, and paste the address you copied into the To field. Now you can type 
in your new subject since you'll be starting a new thread.

Thanks so much for not hijacking threads in the future.

Alan Lemly

 

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