Beta users, please help me with this report

[afik Suffir]

Hello, attached is my report to apple. You may  add your own bugs and send 
them. We have to report it many times so they’ll fix it.

Dont forget to attach the accessibility settings and the diagnostic.

Here is the report. 

In the past, when holding the command, plus VO key plus the arrows, you could 
change voice over parameters easily. Now, you have to add the shift key. Like, 
command, plus VO key, plus shift, plus the arrows to change the parameters. Can 
you change it back to normal behavior? 

In addition, when exploring around the doc with voice over, its says “safari 
not found, mail not found, and so on.” But, its there. So, why its say not 
found? When I press the “not found,” its open up the app. 

Steps, just explore the doc. 

בברכה, 
אפיק סופיר
חבר ומייסד קבוצת ק.מ.ח - כי דברים שרואים משם לא רואים מכאן 
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Re: Question About Facetime Audio and Battery Status

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Hello Roben. The version of ios 10.3.3 is beta version. This version is in 
development process. The latest version is 10.3.2.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-1 ביולי 2017, בשעה 0:23, ‏‏Robin Frost ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Hi,
> Last night I had occasion to visit with a friend via facetime audio on my 
> iPhone 7Plus running iOS 10.3.3 I believe is the most recent version number. 
> And while doing this I observed some behavior with VoiceOver I’ve never 
> witnessed before. Suddenly while on this Facetime call whether I was in the 
> Facetime screen or anywhere else it mattered not I couldn’t get VoiceOver to 
> read my battery status at all.  It could read other icons on the status like 
> such as cellular signal strength, wi-fi strength, the time but when I got 
> further towards that top right-hand corner it just said nothing at all and 
> made the clicking noise you sometimes hear when swiping through elements on 
> screen.  Has anyone else ever seen anything like this and what on earth is 
> the cause?
> the person with whom I was chatting was on an iPhone 6 and had no issues 
> seeing his battery status. It is quite the curiosity.  Thanks for any light 
> you could shed on this for me.
> Robin
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Rebecca Sabo]

I have a iPad pro and it is not keeping a charge and I am using voice over and 
the latest op system .  What should I do and I like my iPhone but I also want 
to use a iPad that works .
Becky 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sieghard
> - that's what we all hope. An iPhone 8 with all the new technologies of top.
> 
> If it is not this time, I and millions of people will be very disappointed 
> and even perhaps will leave Apple...
> And Samsung will sell galaxy S8 more and more like water...
> 
> Apple has to come with all in this iPhone 8.
> a big screen with  powerfull battery and the best technology of top.
> That is what we all want and hope...
> I hope more RAM with 4GB and of course a new processor Apple 11.
> The rest we all know what the world wants in the iPhone 8.
> thanks Sieghard
> 
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 01:24 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> The Plus models already have a 5.5 inch screen and have had it since the 
>> iPhone 6 Plus.
>> There are rumours that there will be a new high-end iPhone in the fall with 
>> a 5.8 inch screen which may not actually be physically be larger as it would 
>> have narrower or no bezel around the screen, but it sounds as if it will 
>> also be an even more expensive phone as the Plus models already are due to 
>> the fact that it may have all the latest technologies like OLED screen, 
>> wireless charging etc. I guess we'll see.
>> 
>> I guess your reasons are all valid, definitely I can see how sighted people 
>> enjoy the larger screens. For me even the new iPad Pro with the Files app of 
>> iOS 11 which they announced and which gives you easier access to files is 
>> still no laptop replacemenb.
>> But it of course all depends on what you do, if mostly it's consuming media, 
>> email, maybe Skype or Facetime and so on it might be OK. I use a lot of 
>> business applications which require Windows and there is just no way any iOS 
>> or Android tablet at this point could replace a Windows laptop for me.
>> I bought a very nice laptop with a touch screen last fall and end up never 
>> using the touch screen because when it comes to Windows I am just so used to 
>> doing everything with the keyboard.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> had have a 5.5 inch screen
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mário Navarro
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi sieghard
>> I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
>> characteristics:
>> Especially with the new iPad pro.
>> I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
>> I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
>>   and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
>> I like big screens.
>> 
>> I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
>> I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.
>> 
>> The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.
>> 
>> Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
>> And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They 
>> have fun...
>> I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 
>> 5.5 or 5.8.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the 
>>> bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or 
>>> beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 
>>> public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad 
>>> if you don't like it.
>>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Greg Wocher
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
>>> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It 
>>> is a technical limitation of the technology.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> d
 On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Hi
 
 I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
 things.
 
 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
 screen?
 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
 I did a google search about this feature in this new iP

Re: accessable games for the iPhone

[MamaPeach]

The best resource is AppleVis. Here is the link for the games page.
https://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/games

From: Rebecca Sabo 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: accessable games for the iPhone

Hi all ,  
I was wondering if their were a list of accessable of games for the iPhone or 
the iPad ?  if so where would the list be founded or do you all have fun or 
favorite games that you all play ?
Becky 

  On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

  Thanks Sandy,
  I use that gesture a lot and have no idea how I missed the fact it was not on 
the list.
  I think there are one or two more missing.
  Like I said, I was not sure it was complete, so I was right, grin.
  Richard


  On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:57 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Richard,
Did you include the three finger quadruple tap, which puts in the clipboard 
the last thing that voice-over spoke? this can be immensely useful!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 Jun 2017, at 08:08, Harry Bell  wrote:


  Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local 
community. 
  Regards
  Harry

  On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner  
wrote:


VoiceOver Gestures
Navigate and read
• Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
• Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
• Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  
Depends on the rotor setting.
• Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going 
to turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech rate, 
character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in the 
VoiceOver settings.
• Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
• Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
• Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
• To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger 
scrub: Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
• Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
• Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
previous page (on the Home screen.
• Speak additional information, such as position within a list or 
whether text is selected: Three-finger tap.
• Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
• Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
Activate
• Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
• Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with 
one finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
the screen.
• When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need 
to Triple-tap with one finger.
• Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard 
gesture. The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next 
gesture as standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on 
the screen until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your 
finger, drag your finger on a slider.
• Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
•To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture 
initiates an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you 
can:
•Answer or end a call.
•Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos 
(slideshows).
•Take a photo in Camera.
•Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
•Start or stop the stopwatch.
• Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger 
double-tap and hold.
• Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
• Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver 
and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
• Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
• Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
• For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five 
fingers on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is 
like tapping the home button once.
• 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this 
brings up a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app 
it brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is 
available on devices like t

Re: Apple Tv Question

[GARY WILLIAMS]

Thanks so much for this info. I am excited.
Nancy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Joney  wrote:
> 
> Are use AppleTV for the Apple events, makes it much easier to not have to go 
> through somebody all the time., Are you for Netflix, Hulu, and crackle, 
> Netflix carries some of the video that is described. I've used it for bread 
> box, and let's see, some of the shopping channels I like you don't want to 
> have a service provider and less I have to you can I would so get many of the 
> news channels, and a lot of the different cable network channels. Sam you 
> have to have a provider for, but then you put in your email address and 
> password and they check it out and what you go. I have Travel Channel, sci-fi 
> Channel, do it yourself network, HGTV, discovery channel, investigation 
> discovery you're also eligible for any of the things that you would have on 
> iTunes itself. All of the radio stations, if you have a playlist attached to 
> your computer and/or your iPhone you can play it on there as well to cover 
> more area in your home. I have a to our nature clip that I play a lot of 
> times when I'm trying to really just relaxin mellow out. It also works for 
> tiny tiny babies by the way. The 14-month-old loves it. :-) excuse any 
> off-the-wall pronunciations here. I'm doing this with lots of noise and 
> people and so my dictation maybe off-the-wall.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 4:44 PM, GARY WILLIAMS  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> We just ordered fourth generation Apple Tv. What are some of the apps 
>> especially the free ones that some of you are using. We don't have a service 
>> provider and don't want one. Any information about what you think of Apple 
>> Tv would be appreciated. 
>> Thanks.
>> Nancy and Gary Williams
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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accessable games for the iPhone

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi all , 
I was wondering if their were a list of accessable of games for the iPhone or 
the iPad ?  if so where would the list be founded or do you all have fun or 
favorite games that you all play ?
Becky 
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 5:43 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sandy,
> I use that gesture a lot and have no idea how I missed the fact it was not on 
> the list.
> I think there are one or two more missing.
> Like I said, I was not sure it was complete, so I was right, grin.
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:57 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Richard,
>> Did you include the three finger quadruple tap, which puts in the clipboard 
>> the last thing that voice-over spoke? this can be immensely useful!
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 08:08, Harry Bell > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local 
>>> community. 
>>> Regards
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner >> > wrote:
>>> 
 VoiceOver Gestures
 Navigate and read
 • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
 • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
 • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends 
 on the rotor setting.
 • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
 turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select 
 the next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: 
 speech rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to 
 the rotor in the VoiceOver settings.
 • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
 • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
 • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
 • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
 Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
 • Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
 • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
 previous page (on the Home screen.
 • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
 text is selected: Three-finger tap.
 • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
 • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
 Activate
 • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
 • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
 finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger 
 on the screen.
 • When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need to 
 Triple-tap with one finger.
 • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard 
 gesture. The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the 
 next gesture as standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your 
 finger on the screen until you hear three rising tones, and then without 
 lifting your finger, drag your finger on a slider.
 • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
 •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture 
 initiates an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, 
 you can:
 •Answer or end a call.
 •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
 •Take a photo in Camera.
 •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
 •Start or stop the stopwatch.
 • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap 
 and hold.
 • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
 • Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
 • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
 Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
 • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
 VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
 • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
 • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
 • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five 
 fingers on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it 
 is like tapping the home button once.
 • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings 
 up a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
 brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is 
 available on devices like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.
 
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Question About Facetime Audio and Battery Status

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Last night I had occasion to visit with a friend via facetime audio on my 
iPhone 7Plus running iOS 10.3.3 I believe is the most recent version number. 
And while doing this I observed some behavior with VoiceOver I’ve never 
witnessed before. Suddenly while on this Facetime call whether I was in the 
Facetime screen or anywhere else it mattered not I couldn’t get VoiceOver to 
read my battery status at all.  It could read other icons on the status like 
such as cellular signal strength, wi-fi strength, the time but when I got 
further towards that top right-hand corner it just said nothing at all and made 
the clicking noise you sometimes hear when swiping through elements on screen.  
Has anyone else ever seen anything like this and what on earth is the cause?
the person with whom I was chatting was on an iPhone 6 and had no issues seeing 
his battery status. It is quite the curiosity.  Thanks for any light you could 
shed on this for me.
Robin

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Re: Apple Tv Question

[Joney]

Are use AppleTV for the Apple events, makes it much easier to not have to go 
through somebody all the time., Are you for Netflix, Hulu, and crackle, Netflix 
carries some of the video that is described. I've used it for bread box, and 
let's see, some of the shopping channels I like you don't want to have a 
service provider and less I have to you can I would so get many of the news 
channels, and a lot of the different cable network channels. Sam you have to 
have a provider for, but then you put in your email address and password and 
they check it out and what you go. I have Travel Channel, sci-fi Channel, do it 
yourself network, HGTV, discovery channel, investigation discovery you're also 
eligible for any of the things that you would have on iTunes itself. All of the 
radio stations, if you have a playlist attached to your computer and/or your 
iPhone you can play it on there as well to cover more area in your home. I have 
a to our nature clip that I play a lot of times when I'm trying to really just 
relaxin mellow out. It also works for tiny tiny babies by the way. The 
14-month-old loves it. :-) excuse any off-the-wall pronunciations here. I'm 
doing this with lots of noise and people and so my dictation maybe off-the-wall.

Joney
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Apple Tv Question

[GARY WILLIAMS]

Hi everyone,
We just ordered fourth generation Apple Tv. What are some of the apps 
especially the free ones that some of you are using. We don't have a service 
provider and don't want one. Any information about what you think of Apple Tv 
would be appreciated. 
Thanks.
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Re: Anyone currently using swift playgrounds please contact me privately.

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello,

Since this question is relevant to the list and others might be interested, I 
decided to answer publicly. David Woodbridge does a great introductory podcast 
on Swift Playgrounds; check out his iSee podcast. I've also done the first 
several lessons. If I can help, I'll be glad to.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Hello.
> If anyone is currently using the swift playgrounds can you please contact me 
> privately? I have a question about learning the first screen. Sorry, I meant 
> the first project. Dictation sucks! LOL.
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RE: Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures, with headings and an iPad only section.

[Richard Turner]

VoiceOver Gestures
Navigate and read
• Practice Mode: Four finger double tap.  Puts VoiceOver in practice mode so 
you can practice gestures without opening or changing anything.
• Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
• Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
• Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
• Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to turn 
a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the next or 
previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech rate, 
character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in the 
VoiceOver settings.
• Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
• Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
• Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
• To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: Move 
two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and forth three 
times quickly (making a “z”)
• Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one finger and swipe down with two 
fingers; only works if Speak Screen is turned on in settings, general, 
accessibility, speech.  VO will continue reading even if the screen is locked.
• Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
• Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
page (on the Home screen.
• Open Notification Center: touch the status bar and swipe down with three 
fingers.
• Open Control Panel: Touch status bar and swipe up with three fingers.
• Open Spotlight Search: Touch on the home screen below the status bar and 
above the dock and swipe down with three fingers.
• Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether text 
is selected: Three-finger tap.
• Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger quadruple 
tap.
• Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
• Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
Activate
• Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
• Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on the 
screen.
• When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
Triple-tap with one finger.
• Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
• Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
•To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates an 
action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
•Answer or end a call.
•Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
•Take a photo in Camera.
•Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
•Start or stop the stopwatch.
• Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
hold.
• Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
• Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc.  
Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and Zoom 
are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both VoiceOver 
and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
• 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up a 
shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it brings up 
your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available on devices 
like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.
For iPad only
• Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
• Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers on the screen and 
pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like tapping the home 
button once.

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Ever expanding list of VoiceOver Gestures

[Richard Turner]

VoiceOver Gestures
Navigate and read
• Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
• Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
• Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
the rotor setting. * Also used to access various options on apps, Email 
messages, etc.  Anywhere VoiceOver says "Actions available."
• Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to turn 
a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the next or 
previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech rate, 
character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in the 
VoiceOver settings.
• Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
• Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
• Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
• To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: Move 
two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and forth three 
times quickly (making a “z”)
• Speak Screen: Touch the status bar with one finger and swipe down with two 
fingers; only works if Speak Screen is turned on in settings, general, 
accessibility, speech.  VO will continue reading even if the screen is locked.
• Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
• Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
page (on the Home screen.
• Open Notification Center: touch the status bar and swipe down with three 
fingers.
• Open Control Panel: Touch status bar and swipe up with three fingers.
• Open Spotlight Search: Touch on the home screen below the status bar and 
above the dock and swipe down with three fingers.
• Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether text 
is selected: Three-finger tap.
• Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger quadruple 
tap.
• Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
• Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
Activate
• Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
• Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on the 
screen.
• When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
Triple-tap with one finger.
• Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
• Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
•To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates an 
action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
•Answer or end a call.
•Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
•Take a photo in Camera.
•Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
•Start or stop the stopwatch.
• Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
hold.
• Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
• Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc.  
Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and Zoom 
are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both VoiceOver 
and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
• Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
• Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
• For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers on 
the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like tapping 
the home button once.
• 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up a 
shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it brings up 
your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available on devices 
like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.


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Email: accessibil...@apple.com

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Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

[rajmund]

Hi Siegard, Well, they better work harder. I just opened app store, went in 
updates, and the last thing I see updated was dropbox, the 28th. 




 still no signs of skype. If they are intending on supporting IOS9, and I was 
incorrect, as it stands, at the time of writing, while may not be an 
intentional issue, skype will still not update on the 64 bit IOS9 devices. So I 
wonder. Did they intentionally drop 32 bit, or is that yet another bug? as for 
what'sApp, haven't redownloaded it, for I'm on the public beta, so can't 
download it...Sent from an iPad Air

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 5:07 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rajmund,
> 
> As far as Skype only supporting devices running iOS 10, this is incorrect as 
> of the last update (yesterday), , see below from the app store page:
> 
> What's New in Version 8.1.2
> Issue resolved: Skype now supports all iOS 9.0 (or later) iPhones.
> 
> This would indicate that it was a bug in the initial release of Skype 8.x for 
> iOS.
> The fact is that this version of Skype is not very nice to say the least. The 
> few reviews that have been posted say the same, people hate it and the one 
> reviewer hit the nail on the head and summarized it well: "Looks bad, slow, 
> glitchy/buggy, hard to navigate, confusing, and overdone".
> I think there are people on the team who thought they are releasing something 
> super-cool and new, instead they made it overly complicated and difficult. I 
> give them credit somewhat for still keeping most of it accessible, the chat 
> issue of course needs to be fixed, hopefully they listen to the reviews and 
> revert back to a more iOS like look, this is not it at all with these buttons 
> and tabs at the top etc. I really like how simple Whats App is, only problem 
> is that I can't use it to call regular phone numbers which is all I use Skype 
> for these days. When it comes to wanting to send text or voice messages Whats 
> App I think is the ticket and it works just as well for audio calls and I 
> assume video calls.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> , he said it was "overdone
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version
> 
> hi,
> braille screen input doesn't register in the text field at all. also, if you 
> double tap and hold your message, you now have more actions than in the past, 
> or at least, the actions are now in the same menu.
> PS. they've dropped support for 32 bit devices, and anything below IOS10...
> 
>> On 26/06/17 11:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I find this is true, but not totally true. I just updated and then 
>> started a chat. When I was in the edit field where it said “Type your 
>> message here” I started typing and with each letter I heard a bonk 
>> sound and it is true that I couldnot review what I wrote. But I just 
>> wrote to a friend something like “Hey, are you still alive”, when I 
>> pressed “Sent” and then checked it did say the time and read out the message.
>> So, right now you are probably better off writing in Notes or another 
>> text editor and then select your message, cut it and paste it into the 
>> Skype chat window after you made sure it is the way you want it to be, 
>> if you use a bluetooth keyboard and don’t mind not being able to 
>> review/correct beyond pressing the backspace if you know you made a 
>> mistake then you can still type in the chat window.
>> 
>> This is now version 8 something so it seems to be a major update, 
>> let’s give some feedback and hopefully Microsoft will fix this shortly.
>> 
>> By the way, the screen layout has totally changed. There are no longer 
>> tabs or buttons along the bottom. You now have an area at the top with 
>> all the information and buttons, it is 3 lines. On the very top (line 
>> 1 so to speak) you have from left to right the following:
>> 
>> Main screen: New Conversation or Contact, My Info, People and Call
>> 
>> Under New Conversation or Contact the following menu comes up:
>> 
>> New Group
>> 
>> New Chat
>> 
>> New Call
>> 
>> New Highlight
>> 
>> Find Bot
>> 
>> Invite People to Skype
>> 
>> Cancel
>> 
>> Under the “My Info” tab there is a section where you can complete 1 of 
>> 5 “cards”, haven’t explored this very much, when it came up after 
>> opening the app I tapped on “Hide all cards” and that made it go away.
>> 
>> If you tap on “People”, you get a Close button at the top left, the 
>> “People” heading across the top and then on 3 lines the following:
>> 
>> Search people and bots
>> 
>> Sync your addressbook
>> 
>> Invite people to Skype
>> 
>> Then there is a “Recommended” section, your “Favourites” section and 
>> then all your Skype contacts.
>> 
>> Under calls you have a similar layout, the top line has the close 
>> button, then the “Call” heading and to the right of that 

Re: please Help confirm feature of apple watch series 1

[Ioana Gandrabur]

THanks, I'm off to the apple store today to see if they will replace mine.
I could really use the fast pause/resume feature.

Regards,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:06 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Yes, pressing the two buttons for a moment together does pause the workout. 
> I never knew you could do that.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, 
>> if the 2 button thing works for you thanks for letting me know. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:23 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Yes, I have the 1. I've been using the workout app ever since I got it 
>>> almost 2 years ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
 
 Thanks, and you have the series 1? not the 2? 
 Interesting. Gives me hope there's something they can fix on mine. 
 If you do get a chance to try the 2 button method, I'd appreciate if you 
 could get back about it. 
 
 Best,
 
 Ioana 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>It should work. I force touch and the option to pass will come up. I 
> haven't tried the method of pressing both buttons though. You can pause 
> the workout by changing to the first page of the workout as well.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> Can any of you that use an apple watch series 1 tell me if you can get a 
>> feature to work? 
>> I'm trying to pause and resume a workout and, according to apple 
>> documentation, you should be able to do this with pressing 
>> simultaneously on both digital crown and side button or by force-touch 
>> on the screen. 
>> I called apple about this and they said it should work. I reset the 
>> watch as new but no luck. Then they suggested it might be needing to be 
>> serviced. I sent it out and got it back and issue still persists. 
>> Very frustrated since no one at apple tech phone support could give me a 
>> clear answer about weather this feature is supported on the apple watch 
>> series 1. 
>> 
>> If any of you can let me know it would save me a trip to the apple store 
>> to get this confirmed once and for all. 
>> astounding that apple is so unclear about functionality of their own 
>> products... 
>> 
>> Anyway, sorry for the rent! 
>> 
>> Best 
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Slightly expanded copy, RE: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi again,

Just thought of 3 more Gestures.
Touch status bar and then 3 finger flick down for notifications 
Touch status bar and 3 finger flick up for control centre.
3 finger flick down when on home screen opens spotlight.

hth,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 2 comments about this great list:
> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
> This only works on the iPad, or at least I could not get this to work on the 
> iphone.
> Touch status bar with 1 finger and then swipe down with 2 fingers starts the 
> ""speak screen" function. THis allows you to read something even when iPhone 
> is locked.
> Finally the flick up and down with one finger also presents list of actions 
> that can be performed on an item when available. See "arranging apps on home 
> screen" or "deleting mails" etc.\
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> VoiceOver Gestures
>> Navigate and read
>> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
>> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
>> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
>> the rotor setting.
>> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
>> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
>> next or previous rotor  item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
>> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor 
>> in the VoiceOver settings.
>> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
>> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
>> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
>> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
>> Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and 
>> forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
>> • Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
>> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
>> previous page (on the Home screen.
>> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
>> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
>> • Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger 
>> quadruple tap.
>> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
>> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
>> Activate
>> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
>> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
>> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
>> the screen.
>> • When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
>> Triple-tap with one finger.
>> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
>> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture 
>> as standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the 
>> screen until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your 
>> finger, drag your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through 
>> Gesture.)
>> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
>> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
>> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
>> •Answer or end a call.
>> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
>> •Take a photo in Camera.
>> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
>> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
>> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap 
>> and hold.
>> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
>> • Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
>> settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
>> word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
>> selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, 
>> etc.  Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
>> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
>> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
>> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
>> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
>> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
>> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
>> • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers 
>> on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like 
>> tapping the home button  once.
>> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings 
>> up a shortcut menu depe

How to Tell if Chime is On or Off?

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
I'm using the Chime app, and up till a few days ago it was chiming on
the quarter hour. I haven't changed anything, but have noticed the
quarter hour chime is gone. How do I tell whether something's been
turned off? I don't fuss with the app very often, so can't remember
how the on/off feature works in it.

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: Slightly expanded copy, RE: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,
2 comments about this great list:
• Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
This only works on the iPad, or at least I could not get this to work on the 
iphone.
Touch status bar with 1 finger and then swipe down with 2 fingers starts the 
""speak screen" function. THis allows you to read something even when iPhone is 
locked.
Finally the flick up and down with one finger also presents list of actions 
that can be performed on an item when available. See "arranging apps on home 
screen" or "deleting mails" etc.\

Best,

Ioana 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver Gestures
> Navigate and read
> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
> the rotor setting.
> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
> next or previous rotor  item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in 
> the VoiceOver settings.
> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
> Move two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and 
> forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
> • Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
> page (on the Home screen.
> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
> • Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger 
> quadruple tap.
> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
> Activate
> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
> the screen.
> • When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
> Triple-tap with one finger.
> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
> standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
> until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
> your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
> •Answer or end a call.
> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
> •Take a photo in Camera.
> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
> hold.
> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
> • Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
> settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
> word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
> selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc. 
>  Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
> • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers 
> on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like 
> tapping the home button once.
> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up 
> a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
> brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available 
> on devices like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.
>  
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> them, but it doesn't hurt to repo

How to Dismiss Ads on BibleGateway App?

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
I opened the BibleGateway app this morning and VO was reading the
verse of the day. The eading was interrupted by an ad about finding
out your credit score. I couldn't figure out how to close the ad, and
can't figure out how to use the app anymore without being interrupted
by advertisements.

Does anyone have ideas, or suggestions for other Bible study apps?

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: please Help confirm feature of apple watch series 1

[John Panarese]

  Yes, pressing the two buttons for a moment together does pause the workout. I 
never knew you could do that.


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> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Ok, 
> if the 2 button thing works for you thanks for letting me know. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:23 PM, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>>   Yes, I have the 1. I've been using the workout app ever since I got it 
>> almost 2 years ago.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Ioana Gandrabur >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, and you have the series 1? not the 2? 
>>> Interesting. Gives me hope there's something they can fix on mine. 
>>> If you do get a chance to try the 2 button method, I'd appreciate if you 
>>> could get back about it. 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Ioana 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 PM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
It should work. I force touch and the option to pass will come up. I 
 haven't tried the method of pressing both buttons though. You can pause 
 the workout by changing to the first page of the workout as well.
 
 
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> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Can any of you that use an apple watch series 1 tell me if you can get a 
> feature to work? 
> I'm trying to pause and resume a workout and, according to apple 
> documentation, you should be able to do this with pressing simultaneously 
> on both digital crown and side button or by force-touch on the screen. 
> I called apple about this and they said it should work. I reset the watch 
> as new but no luck. Then they suggested it might be needing to be 
> serviced. I sent it out and got it back and issue still persists. 
> Very frustrated since no one at apple tech phone support could give me a 
> clear answer about weather this feature is supported on the apple watch 
> series 1. 
> 
> If any of you can let me know it would save me a trip to the apple store 
> to get this confirmed once and for all. 
> astounding that apple is so unclear about functionality of their own 
> products... 
> 
> Anyway, sorry for the rent! 
> 
> Best 
> 
> Ioana
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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If Purify is blocking a Safari page I want to access, how can I change this?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I have Purify adblocker on my phone. I'm trying to access a Safari page that it 
appears to be blocking. How can I change this for this page?

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RE: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rajmund,

As far as Skype only supporting devices running iOS 10, this is incorrect as of 
the last update (yesterday), , see below from the app store page:

What's New in Version 8.1.2
Issue resolved: Skype now supports all iOS 9.0 (or later) iPhones.

This would indicate that it was a bug in the initial release of Skype 8.x for 
iOS.
The fact is that this version of Skype is not very nice to say the least. The 
few reviews that have been posted say the same, people hate it and the one 
reviewer hit the nail on the head and summarized it well: "Looks bad, slow, 
glitchy/buggy, hard to navigate, confusing, and overdone".
I think there are people on the team who thought they are releasing something 
super-cool and new, instead they made it overly complicated and difficult. I 
give them credit somewhat for still keeping most of it accessible, the chat 
issue of course needs to be fixed, hopefully they listen to the reviews and 
revert back to a more iOS like look, this is not it at all with these buttons 
and tabs at the top etc. I really like how simple Whats App is, only problem is 
that I can't use it to call regular phone numbers which is all I use Skype for 
these days. When it comes to wanting to send text or voice messages Whats App I 
think is the ticket and it works just as well for audio calls and I assume 
video calls.

Regards,
Sieghard


, he said it was "overdone
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 4:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: warning: if you like chatting do NOT update skypes latest version

hi,
braille screen input doesn't register in the text field at all. also, if you 
double tap and hold your message, you now have more actions than in the past, 
or at least, the actions are now in the same menu.
PS. they've dropped support for 32 bit devices, and anything below IOS10...

On 26/06/17 11:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I find this is true, but not totally true. I just updated and then 
> started a chat. When I was in the edit field where it said “Type your 
> message here” I started typing and with each letter I heard a bonk 
> sound and it is true that I couldnot review what I wrote. But I just 
> wrote to a friend something like “Hey, are you still alive”, when I 
> pressed “Sent” and then checked it did say the time and read out the message.
> So, right now you are probably better off writing in Notes or another 
> text editor and then select your message, cut it and paste it into the 
> Skype chat window after you made sure it is the way you want it to be, 
> if you use a bluetooth keyboard and don’t mind not being able to 
> review/correct beyond pressing the backspace if you know you made a 
> mistake then you can still type in the chat window.
> 
> This is now version 8 something so it seems to be a major update, 
> let’s give some feedback and hopefully Microsoft will fix this shortly.
> 
> By the way, the screen layout has totally changed. There are no longer 
> tabs or buttons along the bottom. You now have an area at the top with 
> all the information and buttons, it is 3 lines. On the very top (line 
> 1 so to speak) you have from left to right the following:
> 
> Main screen: New Conversation or Contact, My Info, People and Call
> 
> Under New Conversation or Contact the following menu comes up:
> 
> New Group
> 
> New Chat
> 
> New Call
> 
> New Highlight
> 
> Find Bot
> 
> Invite People to Skype
> 
> Cancel
> 
> Under the “My Info” tab there is a section where you can complete 1 of 
> 5 “cards”, haven’t explored this very much, when it came up after 
> opening the app I tapped on “Hide all cards” and that made it go away.
> 
> If you tap on “People”, you get a Close button at the top left, the 
> “People” heading across the top and then on 3 lines the following:
> 
> Search people and bots
> 
> Sync your addressbook
> 
> Invite people to Skype
> 
> Then there is a “Recommended” section, your “Favourites” section and 
> then all your Skype contacts.
> 
> Under calls you have a similar layout, the top line has the close 
> button, then the “Call” heading and to the right of that 3 buttons:
> Skype Credit Amount, Call multiple people and Dial a phone number
> 
> Back to the main screen, underneath that top row of buttons you have 3 
> tabs as follows:
> 
> No new highlights, 1 of 3
> 
> Selected, No unread chat, 2 of 3 (this seems to be selected by default 
> when you open the app)
> 
> Capture tab, 3 of 3: this gives you options across the bottom, “Open 
> Gallery”, “Capture Photo or Video and “Switch to Front Facing Camera”, 
> at the top left is “back” and the top right is “toggle flash”.
> 
> All in all I don’t know yet what to think of this new look, I’m sure 
> it’s designed to be visually more appealing, it all seems to be 
> accessible with the exception of the text chat edit field.
> 
> Reg
> 
> Ards,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
> Regards,
>

Slightly expanded copy, RE: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

[Richard Turner]

VoiceOver Gestures
Navigate and read
• Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
• Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
• Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
the rotor setting.
• Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to turn 
a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the next or 
previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech rate, 
character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in the 
VoiceOver settings.
• Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
• Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
• Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
• To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: Move 
two fingers rapidly in a small circle or slide two fingers back and forth three 
times quickly (making a “z”)
• Scroll one page up or down at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
• Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
page (on the Home screen.
• Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether text 
is selected: Three-finger tap.
• Copy last thing spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard: three-finger quadruple 
tap.
• Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
• Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
Activate
• Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
• Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on the 
screen.
• When a non-VoiceOver user needs to Double-tap an item: VO users need to 
Triple-tap with one finger.
• Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
your finger on a slider.  (Also known as the Pass Through Gesture.)
• Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
•To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates an 
action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
•Answer or end a call.
•Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
•Take a photo in Camera.
•Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
•Start or stop the stopwatch.
• Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
hold.
• Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
• Select/deselect text: Turn on "Text Selection" in the VoiceOver rotor 
settings, then turn the rotor to Text Selection and flick down to character, 
word, line, etc., and then flick right with one finger to select text.  Once 
selected, turn rotor to edit and flick up or down to copy, print, share, etc.  
Much easier than the Two-finger Pinch out/in.
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and Zoom 
are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both VoiceOver 
and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
• Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
• Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
• For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers on 
the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like tapping 
the home button once.
• 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up a 
shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it brings up 
your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available on devices 
like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.


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VoiceOver-Easy.net
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detailed, step by step tutorial for blind and visually impaired users of the 
VoiceOver assistive technology found in iPhones and iPads. This site makes no 
assumptions that the reader has any previous knowledge of or experience with 
iPhones or 

Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[Nimer Jaber]

This is not a private beta at this point, it is a public one, but point
taken about discussing betas.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 4:14 AM rajmund  wrote:

> which I haven't figured out how to, LOL. if someone can help, that will
> be awesome indeed. BTW, this is not to do with 32 bit apps, someone was
> recommending it
>
> On 30/06/17 9:49 AM, Portia Scott wrote:
> > The only way to supposedly get around it, is to install the apps via
> iTunes.
> >
> > On 6/30/17, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >> Yeah I know they don't want us discussing private betas, etc. However,
> >> just wanted to let you guys know this is a bug Apple has to fix.
> >>
> >> On 6/30/17, rajmund  wrote:
> >>> hi,
> >>> while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.
> >>>
> >>> On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>  I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no
>  longer compatible being 32 bit?
>  Good luc,
> 
>  Ioana
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Sandy,
I use that gesture a lot and have no idea how I missed the fact it was not on 
the list.
I think there are one or two more missing.
Like I said, I was not sure it was complete, so I was right, grin.
Richard


On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:57 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Richard,
Did you include the three finger quadruple tap, which puts in the clipboard the 
last thing that voice-over spoke? this can be immensely useful!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 30 Jun 2017, at 08:08, Harry Bell 
mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local community.
Regards
Harry

On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

VoiceOver Gestures
Navigate and read
• Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
• Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
• Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
the rotor setting.
• Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to turn 
a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the next or 
previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech rate, 
character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in the 
VoiceOver settings.
• Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
• Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
• Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
• To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: Move 
two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
• Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
• Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
page (on the Home screen.
• Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether text 
is selected: Three-finger tap.
• Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
• Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
Activate
• Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
• Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on the 
screen.
• When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need to 
Triple-tap with one finger.
• Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
your finger on a slider.
• Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
•To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates an 
action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
•Answer or end a call.
•Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
•Take a photo in Camera.
•Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
•Start or stop the stopwatch.
• Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
hold.
• Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
• Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and Zoom 
are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
• Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both VoiceOver 
and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
• Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
• Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
• For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers on 
the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like tapping 
the home button once.
• 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up a 
shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it brings up 
your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available on devices 
like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.

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Warning: Don't Update the Hive App

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Anyone using the British Gas Hive heating controller don’t update the app with 
the update released yesterday. Accessibility has been totally compromised for 
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I have reported it and would encourage others to do so. Last time they took 
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Re: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Did you include the three finger quadruple tap, which puts in the clipboard the 
last thing that voice-over spoke? this can be immensely useful!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 08:08, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local 
> community. 
> Regards
> Harry
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> VoiceOver Gestures
>> Navigate and read
>> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
>> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
>> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
>> the rotor setting.
>> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
>> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
>> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
>> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor 
>> in the VoiceOver settings.
>> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
>> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
>> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
>> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
>> Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
>> • Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
>> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or 
>> previous page (on the Home screen.
>> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
>> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
>> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
>> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
>> Activate
>> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
>> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
>> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
>> the screen.
>> • When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need to 
>> Triple-tap with one finger.
>> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
>> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture 
>> as standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the 
>> screen until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your 
>> finger, drag your finger on a slider.
>> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
>> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
>> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
>> •Answer or end a call.
>> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
>> •Take a photo in Camera.
>> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
>> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
>> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap 
>> and hold.
>> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
>> • Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
>> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
>> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
>> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
>> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
>> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
>> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
>> • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers 
>> on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like 
>> tapping the home button once.
>> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings 
>> up a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
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Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[rajmund]

which I haven't figured out how to, LOL. if someone can help, that will 
be awesome indeed. BTW, this is not to do with 32 bit apps, someone was 
recommending it


On 30/06/17 9:49 AM, Portia Scott wrote:

The only way to supposedly get around it, is to install the apps via iTunes.

On 6/30/17, Portia Scott  wrote:

Yeah I know they don't want us discussing private betas, etc. However,
just wanted to let you guys know this is a bug Apple has to fix.

On 6/30/17, rajmund  wrote:

hi,
while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.

On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi,

I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no
longer compatible being 32 bit?
Good luc,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[Portia Scott]

The only way to supposedly get around it, is to install the apps via iTunes.

On 6/30/17, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Yeah I know they don't want us discussing private betas, etc. However,
> just wanted to let you guys know this is a bug Apple has to fix.
>
> On 6/30/17, rajmund  wrote:
>> hi,
>> while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.
>>
>> On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no
>>> longer compatible being 32 bit?
>>> Good luc,
>>>
>>> Ioana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[Portia Scott]

Yeah I know they don't want us discussing private betas, etc. However,
just wanted to let you guys know this is a bug Apple has to fix.

On 6/30/17, rajmund  wrote:
> hi,
> while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.
>
> On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no
>> longer compatible being 32 bit?
>> Good luc,
>>
>> Ioana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
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>>> device, however there is a bug where the button to install cannot be
>>> found or located with VO. Does anyone have suggestions for a work-around
>>> that they have been able to get to work?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: iOS Beta and installing previously installed apps

[rajmund]

hi,
while we're not meant to discuss betas here, that bug, I can confirm.

On 30/06/17 2:04 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi,

I don't have beta but maybe the apps you're trying to install are no longer 
compatible being 32 bit?
Good luc,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:

Hello,

I am attempting to install apps I previously had installed on a new device, 
however there is a bug where the button to install cannot be found or located 
with VO. Does anyone have suggestions for a work-around that they have been 
able to get to work?

Thanks.

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Re: I'm not sure this is complete, RE: latest ios list of jestures

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Richard! Very clear and useful. I'll pass it round my local community. 
Regards
Harry

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 03:56, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver Gestures
> Navigate and read
> • Select and speak the item: Touch with one finger.
> • Select the next or previous item: Swipe right or left with one finger.
> • Select an item on the rotor: Swipe up or down with one finger.  Depends on 
> the rotor setting.
> • Using the Rotor: Place two fingers on the screen like you were going to 
> turn a knob, hold them against the screen and twist left or right Select the 
> next or previous rotor item.  Examples of items on the rotor are: speech 
> rate, character, word, line, heading. You can add other items to the rotor in 
> the VoiceOver settings.
> • Read all from the top of the screen: Two-finger swipe up.
> • Read all from the current position: Two-finger swipe down.
> • Stop or resume speaking: Two-finger touch.
> • To dismiss an alert or go back to the previous screen: Two-finger scrub: 
> Move two fingers back and forth three times quickly (making a “z”)
> • Scroll one page at a time: Three-finger swipe up or down.
> • Three-finger swipe right or left.  For example): Go to the next or previous 
> page (on the Home screen.
> • Speak additional information, such as position within a list or whether 
> text is selected: Three-finger tap.
> • Select the first item on the page: Four-finger tap at top of screen.
> • Select the last item on the page: Four-finger tap at bottom of screen.
> Activate
> • Activate the selected item: Double-tap with one finger.
> • Alternative way to activate an item: Split-tap.  Touch an item with one 
> finger, then tap the screen with another, while keeping the first finger on 
> the screen.
> • When a non-VoiceOver uses needs to Double-tap an item: VO uses need to 
> Triple-tap with one finger.
> • Use a standard gesture: Double-tap and hold (1 second) + standard gesture. 
> The double-tap and hold gesture tells iPhone to interpret the next gesture as 
> standard. For example, you can double-tap and hold your finger on the screen 
> until you hear three rising tones, and then without lifting your finger, drag 
> your finger on a slider.
> • Tap 2 times on the clock in status bar to scroll to top in any app.
> •To start or stop an action: Two-finger double-tap.  This gesture initiates 
> an action or halts or pauses an action in progress. For example, you can:
> •Answer or end a call.
> •Play or pause in Music, Videos, Voice Memos, or Photos (slideshows).
> •Take a photo in Camera.
> •Start or pause recording in Camera or Voice Memos.
> •Start or stop the stopwatch.
> • Change an item’s label to make it easier to find: Two-finger double-tap and 
> hold.
> • Open the Item Chooser: Two-finger triple-tap.
> • Select/deselect text: Two-finger Pinch out/in.
> • Mute or unmute VoiceOver: Three-finger double-tap. If both VoiceOver and 
> Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger triple-tap gesture.
> • Turn the screen curtain on or off: Three-finger triple-tap. If both 
> VoiceOver and Zoom are enabled, use the three-finger quadruple-tap gesture.
> • Open or close multitask pane: Four-finger, swipe up or down.
> • Switch to next or previous app: Four-finger swipe left or right.
> • For iPad only: Go to home screen: 5 fingers pinch in: put all five fingers 
> on the screen and pinch them in until they are all touching and it is like 
> tapping the home button once.
> • 3D Touch: Place your finger on an app and press, do not tap, this brings up 
> a shortcut menu depending on the app.  For example, on the phone app it 
> brings up your favorites so you can call them quickly.  3D Touch is available 
> on devices like the iPhone 6s, 6s Plus, 7s, 7s Plus.
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