RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front camera?


-Original Message-
From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation 
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, 
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, 
they did not scroll off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 
6 more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button 
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to 
quickly return to his/her starting point.

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, 
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it 
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the 
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected 
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no 
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and 
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to 
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most 
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces 
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how 
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is 
already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
featured a solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button 
press. It initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; 
others liked the haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most 
people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And 

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not 
which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how?


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation 
buttons located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, 
however, these navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, 
they did not scroll off the display.


Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.


None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 
6 more than the others.


Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button 
located in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. 
This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to 
quickly return to his/her starting point.


Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Lumpkin

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - 
CNET


If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, 
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.


If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it 
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.


Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? 
Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET


What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the 
answer.

Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected 
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no 
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and 
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to 
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most 
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.


A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces 
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how 
the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is 
already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
featured a solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button 
press. It initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; 
others liked the haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most 
people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or 
pressing in on app icons). Pr

RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple 
will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation buttons 
located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these 
navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll 
off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.  

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 
more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button located 
in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.  This 
is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to quickly 
return to his/her starting point.  

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones currently stic

Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Robin]

As I understand it, Samsung's NEW Touch ID isn't Connected to its 
Always ON HomeButton as it Previously was, it has Moved its Location 
to The Back of the Device resembling the Touch ID on the Pixel By Google

At 03:25 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM
Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.

A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all.
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
the iPhone 8 will work
Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already gone. Instead of
a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel
that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew
mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic
thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or
pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably
feel the same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The
bigger problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint
sensor -- or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.)
Control Center is an app launcher away from being the home button
replacement
iPhones currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking
them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting
expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable
widgets and switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a
mini dock at the bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the
home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action --
pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
swiping first and then clicking the screen.
3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts
It still feels like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that
iPhones 6S and later use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels
unnecessary. But what if pressing down on the home screen opened up
sublayers, or app folders beneath? Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the
screen could launch back to the home area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is
there, and it's theoretically versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to
better use.

One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home
screen?
Sarah Tew/CNET
iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone
The iPad has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be
available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for
quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real
estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS
10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app
dock could be a model for what the iPhone 8 app area looks like. Maybe
something on a smaller scale, with nested menus? I just want 

Re: 8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

For VoiceOver users it doesn't accessible. The scaning documents allows too 
scan a document but there are no OCR and VoiceOver can't read it. I  check the 
public beta versions and there are no change in this subject

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-7 בספט׳ 2017, בשעה 2:03, ‏‏Andy Baracco ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> How much of this will be accessible to Voiceover users?
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:34 PM
> Subject: 8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET
> 
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Just so we are all clear, I am posting the following as a news article,
>> only, and not as an invitation to discuss behind-the-scenes beta software
>> code details.
>> 
>> If you are unclear as to the distinction I have set forth, above, please
>> extend the kind courtesy of contacting Cara and me, off-list.
>> 
>> Thank you and enjoy the read,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM
>> 8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET
>> Apple is slowly building its Notes app into a true Evernote replacement.
>> With the release of iOS 11, the Notes app has gained some useful features
>> that are sure to tempt you away from your current note app. Let's take a
>> look.
>> Tables
>> Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> You can now add tables to a note with a tap of a button. The table icon sits
>> just above the keyboard; select it to add a 2x2 table. Add more rows or
>> columns with a tap on the border of the table to display a button next to a
>> row or column, which then provides the option to add or delete the
>> respective item.
>> With the table created, add or edit text as you normally would.
>> Text editing
>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Speaking of text, new text edit tools have been added to the Notes app in
>> iOS 11. Tap on the "Aa" button to reveal the new text tools, which include
>> monospaced text, and the typical text editing tools for lists, bold, italics
>> and so on.
>> Scan documents
>> A brand-new document scanning tool is built directly into the iOS 11 Notes
>> app, and, frankly, is pretty sweet. We've already covered the feature in
>> detail, but here's the short and sweet version of using it: Open Notes, open
>> or create a note > tap the plus sign > Scan Documents then line up the doc.
>> After scanning a document, you can then use the Apple Pencil on an iPad Pro
>> to mark up or sign the document.
>> Drag and drop
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> iPad users will be able to highlight text or select a photo and drag it into
>> the Notes app, instead of the longstanding copy and paste method.
>> Drag and drop is also available between notes within the Notes app itself.
>> Paper type
>> Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Instead of the stale paper background, the iOS Notes app has had for some
>> time now, iOS 11 adds six new designs. Access the new designs when in a note
>> with a tap on the Share button. The bottom row of the share sheet will have
>> an icon titled Lines & Grids.
>> Pick one of the options and rejoice at the new look.
>> Control Center
>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> iOS 11's redesigned Control Center adds shortcuts to numerous apps and
>> services, one of which is the Notes app. After adding the Notes shortcut to
>> Control Center, you will have access to Notes for jotting down a quick
>> thought or note with a swipe up from the lock screen. Open Settings >
>> Control Center to add the Notes shortcut.
>> To set whether a new note is created, or if the last note you accessed is
>> used when Notes is accessed from the lock screen, open the iOS Settings app
>>> Notes > Access Notes from Lock Screen and set your preference.
>> Gestures
>> Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Your list of notes gains new options when you swipe to the left or right on
>> an individual entry. For example, a swipe to the right will let you pin the
>> note to the top of the list. A swipe to the left will give you the option to
>> lock, move or delete a note.
>> Quick draw
>> Have an Apple Pencil and iPad Pro? You no longer have to go through the
>> process of enabling draw mode by tapping around the screen. Instead, just
>> put the pencil to a blank area in the note, and start writing or drawing.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/tips-and-tricks-for-ios-11s-notes-app/#ftag=CAD5
>> 457c2c
>> 
>> 
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[iDevice tutorials and demos]

Hi can someone send the link to the app trillian? 



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Re: Possible Disruption of Dropbox Support for Some iOS Text Editors

[Diane]

I had trouble about access note, too.  I was going to call them.  I saw on 
their page about something changing in September so I don't know.  I 
couldn't get the update from the link on my phone.  It went to the app store 
but I couldn't find it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Werner" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:09 PM
Subject: Possible Disruption of Dropbox Support for Some iOS Text Editors



Hello, everyone.

If I understand correctly, Dropbox will cease using its present API
sometime in September, which may cause certain iOS text editors not to
transfer files to Dropbox.  If this is true, I assume this is a
problem that text editor developers are working to solve.
Unfortunately, a friend wrote to the AccessNote developer about what
was being done and has received no reply.  This is consonant with my
experience with a lack of a response from AFB about AccessNote
support.

Is my assumption about the Dropbox API correct?  If so, which editor
developerss are taking the matter in hand?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Brent Harding]

I've never seen much in the way of discounts with Uber, but with Lyft, every 
now and again, they'll drop in a 10-rides half off deal that you get a 
couple weeks or so to use.


- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Merritt" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions



In Lyft, after your trip has been accepted, swipe through the screen
and look for the contact button. Once you choose this, you can pick
how you want to contact the driver. In my experience, I always contact
the driver of whatever service ahead of time. A lot of times I will
get an automated response that the driver is unable to respond because
they are driving, but I also then get a personal response from them
later acknowledging my message. I prefer Lyft for the ease of use, but
Uber is easier to schedule a ride ahead of time. Also, in Austin TX.,
it seems like Lyft does not go through surge pricing as often as Uber.
Finally, I frequently get discounts on both services, but Lyft often
gives me a $5 discount. Going home, that takes my trip cost from about
$7 to $2, or less. Awesome!

Wayne

On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:

Hi Mike,
I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you 
tell


me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not 
found

this yet.  Thanks much.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions


Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you
a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
Original message:

Hey guys,



OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?



Cheers,
Jed.



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RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Larry,

Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a 
physical Home button.  Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation buttons 
located on the bottom row of the display.  Unlike the S8 series, however, these 
navigation buttons were always available.  This is to say, they did not scroll 
off the display.

Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical 
Home button on all of its Android devices.  

None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home 
buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology.  However, I strongly believe 
that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 
more than the others.

Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button located 
in the center bottom row of the display.
With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen.  This 
is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to quickly 
return to his/her starting point.  

Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than 
its competition.  Let's hope it continues that standard.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones currently stick 
four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking them in place as you swipe 
to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to 
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting expanded 
in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable widgets and 
switches. But if that same updated Control Center pag

Re: 8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET

[Andy Baracco]

How much of this will be accessible to Voiceover users?
Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:34 PM
Subject: 8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET



Hello Everyone,

Just so we are all clear, I am posting the following as a news article,
only, and not as an invitation to discuss behind-the-scenes beta software
code details.

If you are unclear as to the distinction I have set forth, above, please
extend the kind courtesy of contacting Cara and me, off-list.

Thank you and enjoy the read,

Mark

CNET How To - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM
8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET
Apple is slowly building its Notes app into a true Evernote replacement.
With the release of iOS 11, the Notes app has gained some useful features
that are sure to tempt you away from your current note app. Let's take a
look.
Tables
Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
You can now add tables to a note with a tap of a button. The table icon 
sits

just above the keyboard; select it to add a 2x2 table. Add more rows or
columns with a tap on the border of the table to display a button next to 
a

row or column, which then provides the option to add or delete the
respective item.
With the table created, add or edit text as you normally would.
Text editing
Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Speaking of text, new text edit tools have been added to the Notes app in
iOS 11. Tap on the "Aa" button to reveal the new text tools, which include
monospaced text, and the typical text editing tools for lists, bold, 
italics

and so on.
Scan documents
A brand-new document scanning tool is built directly into the iOS 11 Notes
app, and, frankly, is pretty sweet. We've already covered the feature in
detail, but here's the short and sweet version of using it: Open Notes, 
open
or create a note > tap the plus sign > Scan Documents then line up the 
doc.
After scanning a document, you can then use the Apple Pencil on an iPad 
Pro

to mark up or sign the document.
Drag and drop
Jason Cipriani/CNET
iPad users will be able to highlight text or select a photo and drag it 
into

the Notes app, instead of the longstanding copy and paste method.
Drag and drop is also available between notes within the Notes app itself.
Paper type
Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Instead of the stale paper background, the iOS Notes app has had for some
time now, iOS 11 adds six new designs. Access the new designs when in a 
note
with a tap on the Share button. The bottom row of the share sheet will 
have

an icon titled Lines & Grids.
Pick one of the options and rejoice at the new look.
Control Center
Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
iOS 11's redesigned Control Center adds shortcuts to numerous apps and
services, one of which is the Notes app. After adding the Notes shortcut 
to

Control Center, you will have access to Notes for jotting down a quick
thought or note with a swipe up from the lock screen. Open Settings >
Control Center to add the Notes shortcut.
To set whether a new note is created, or if the last note you accessed is
used when Notes is accessed from the lock screen, open the iOS Settings 
app

Notes > Access Notes from Lock Screen and set your preference.

Gestures
Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Your list of notes gains new options when you swipe to the left or right 
on
an individual entry. For example, a swipe to the right will let you pin 
the
note to the top of the list. A swipe to the left will give you the option 
to

lock, move or delete a note.
Quick draw
Have an Apple Pencil and iPad Pro? You no longer have to go through the
process of enabling draw mode by tapping around the screen. Instead, just
put the pencil to a blank area in the note, and start writing or drawing.

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8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,  

Just so we are all clear, I am posting the following as a news article,
only, and not as an invitation to discuss behind-the-scenes beta software
code details.

If you are unclear as to the distinction I have set forth, above, please
extend the kind courtesy of contacting Cara and me, off-list.  

Thank you and enjoy the read,

Mark

CNET How To - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 10:56 AM
8 tips and tricks for iOS 11's Notes app - CNET
Apple is slowly building its Notes app into a true Evernote replacement.
With the release of iOS 11, the Notes app has gained some useful features
that are sure to tempt you away from your current note app. Let's take a
look. 
Tables
 Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
You can now add tables to a note with a tap of a button. The table icon sits
just above the keyboard; select it to add a 2x2 table. Add more rows or
columns with a tap on the border of the table to display a button next to a
row or column, which then provides the option to add or delete the
respective item.
With the table created, add or edit text as you normally would.
Text editing
 Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
Speaking of text, new text edit tools have been added to the Notes app in
iOS 11. Tap on the "Aa" button to reveal the new text tools, which include
monospaced text, and the typical text editing tools for lists, bold, italics
and so on.
Scan documents
A brand-new document scanning tool is built directly into the iOS 11 Notes
app, and, frankly, is pretty sweet. We've already covered the feature in
detail, but here's the short and sweet version of using it: Open Notes, open
or create a note > tap the plus sign > Scan Documents then line up the doc.
After scanning a document, you can then use the Apple Pencil on an iPad Pro
to mark up or sign the document. 
Drag and drop
 Jason Cipriani/CNET 
iPad users will be able to highlight text or select a photo and drag it into
the Notes app, instead of the longstanding copy and paste method.
Drag and drop is also available between notes within the Notes app itself.
Paper type
 Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
Instead of the stale paper background, the iOS Notes app has had for some
time now, iOS 11 adds six new designs. Access the new designs when in a note
with a tap on the Share button. The bottom row of the share sheet will have
an icon titled Lines & Grids.
Pick one of the options and rejoice at the new look.
Control Center
 Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
iOS 11's redesigned Control Center adds shortcuts to numerous apps and
services, one of which is the Notes app. After adding the Notes shortcut to
Control Center, you will have access to Notes for jotting down a quick
thought or note with a swipe up from the lock screen. Open Settings >
Control Center to add the Notes shortcut. 
To set whether a new note is created, or if the last note you accessed is
used when Notes is accessed from the lock screen, open the iOS Settings app
> Notes > Access Notes from Lock Screen and set your preference.
Gestures
 Screenshots by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
Your list of notes gains new options when you swipe to the left or right on
an individual entry. For example, a swipe to the right will let you pin the
note to the top of the list. A swipe to the left will give you the option to
lock, move or delete a note.
Quick draw
Have an Apple Pencil and iPad Pro? You no longer have to go through the
process of enabling draw mode by tapping around the screen. Instead, just
put the pencil to a blank area in the note, and start writing or drawing.

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RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[Larry Lumpkin]

If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, with 
integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have 
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it comes 
up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? Get 
ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected to 
do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the 
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no room 
for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and its Touch 
ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone 
in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage element 
that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to 
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces in 
place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might 
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how the 
iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already 
gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a 
solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It 
initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the 
haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, 
too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the 
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch 
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and 
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or pressing 
in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably feel the 
same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The bigger 
problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- 
or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an app 
launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones currently stick 
four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking them in place as you swipe 
to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to 
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting expanded 
in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable widgets and 
switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a mini dock at the 
bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the home 
button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action -- pressing the 
handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
swiping first and then clicking the screen. 
3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts It still feels like 
the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that iPhones 6S and later 
use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels unnecessary. But what if 
pressing down on the home screen opened up sublayers, or app folders beneath? 
Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the screen could launch back to the home 
area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is there, and it's theoretically versatile... 
now Apple just needs to put it to better use.
 
One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home screen?
Sarah Tew/CNET
iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone The iPad has 
already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be 
available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for quick 
shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real estate. It's 
not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS 10, and better 
than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. T

Like Netflix? T-Mobile is giving it away for free - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:30 AM
Like Netflix? T-Mobile is giving it away for free - CNET
T-Mobile and Netflix are new BFFs.
The primary beneficiaries of this new friendship will be subscribers to
T-Mobile's "One" unlimited data plans, many of whom will get access to
Netflix for free, T-Mobile CEO John Legere announced Wednesday via spray
paint on an "Un-carrier Next" webcast video.
But the freebie only works if you have at least two T-Mobile One unlimited
data voice lines (single line customers are out of luck). The free Netflix
access arrives on Sept. 12. Customers on legacy or promotional plans, like
two lines for $100, or the senior citizen discount, need to upgrade to a
T-Mobile One family plan to be eligible. 
 
T-Mobile CEO John Legere is at it again. 
Josh MIller/CNET 
The alliance is just the latest proof that the worlds of video and mobile
are colliding. AT&T is in the process of buying Time Warner -- home of "Game
of Thrones" and Batman -- so it can own more of the content you watch, and
has bundled HBO for free to some of its higher-end wireless customers.
Verizon has invested in creating short-form video geared towards younger
audiences and a mobile video service called Go90.
 
T-Mobile customers will soon get access to shows like "The Defenders" for
free. 
Sarah Shatz/Netflix 
T-Mobile, the third-largest wireless player -- well behind Verizon and AT&T
-- is opting instead to partner with a well-known entertainment player
rather than create its own shows and movies. Netflix is one of the world's
largest streaming video sites, with 104 million subscribers around the world
and nearly 52 million in the US alone, as of July. 
It's about to get a few more. 
Under the new program, T-Mobile acts as a reseller of Netflix, so a charge
and credit for the service will show up in your phone bill. T-Mobile One
customers will get the standard $9.99 plan, which allows for high-definition
video and two simultaneous streams. Customers opting for the $11.99 premium
plan can pay the difference in their T-Mobile bill. 
"What we've struck with Netflix is an exclusive long-term partnership and
relationship," Legere said on a press conference call. "It's a great deal
for our customers."
"This is the right move at the right time -- for all the right reasons,"
Netflix CEO Reed Hastings said in a blog post. 
T-Mobile Chief Operating Officer Mike Sievert confirmed that T-Mobile is the
only US carrier that will be able to strike this deal, so don't expect the
other carriers to match this offer. 
T-Mobile will be offering new accounts as part of the program, but you'll be
able to link your existing Netflix account as well. 
T-Mobile stressed that it was paying Netflix for the service, although
Sievert hinted that it got a slight discount. He said the company would make
up for the cost through subscriber and revenue growth. 
The carriers have been upping their game in terms of perks to get you to
switch to their service. There's T-Mobile Tuesday, a program to offer weekly
freebies. AT&T offers its DirecTV Now online streaming service for $10 a
month to all its unlimited customers. And Sprint previously offered a year
of Amazon Prime service to new customers. It's now offering a free year of
service for those willing to switch, as well as access to music streaming
service Tidal.  
The move to get more content on phones makes sense, with a record high of
nearly 57 percent of video playing from mobile, according to video software
and service provider Ooyala. The firm said customers are more comfortable
than ever watching longer videos on their phones, despite the smaller
screen. 
For many fans of Netflix's "House of Cards" or "GLOW," they'll soon have
T-Mobile to thank for their binge-athons. 
The Smartest Stuff: Innovators are thinking up new ways to make you, and the
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US House votes overwhelmingly in favor of self-driving-car bill - Roadshow

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 10:14 AM
US House votes overwhelmingly in favor of self-driving-car bill - Roadshow
A bipartisan effort has brought proper national regulation of self-driving
cars one step closer to reality.
Nearly every member of the US House of Representatives voted in favor of
H.R. 3388, otherwise known as the Safely Ensuring Lives Future Deployment
and Research In Vehicle Evolution (SELF DRIVE) Act. The act passed
subcommittee in July, and it left committee with a unanimous vote in its
favor in that same month.
A basic summary of the bill is that it clarifies how responsibilities
regarding the introduction of self-driving cars will be split between
federal and state governments. As The Hill puts it, the act puts authority
over the car in the hands of the feds, with authority over the driver
remaining within the purview of state government.
I wouldn't expect autonomous pizza deliveries to start in the next six
months, but the SELF DRIVE Act brings us one step closer to saving money on
tips.
Ford 
That means the feds will handle things like safety standards and design,
putting a national framework behind it. The states will cover matters like
insurance, sales, licensing and inspections.
Under the SELF DRIVE Act, automakers would be able to deploy up to 100,000
self-driving vehicles even though they may not conform to each and every
federal safety standard. That said, this won't be the Wild West --
manufacturers must still provide the government with a plan of attack, and
they must secure permits for deployment, as well. 
There's also some text tucked in there that relate more to cars and less to
self-driving cars specifically. The bill would mandate rear-seat alert
systems in new cars no later than two years after the bill became law. The
bill would also give the Secretary of Transportation the ability to revisit
federal headlight standards and adjust them as necessary to improve safety.
With the House's vote done, it's time for the Senate to act. They have
debated a similar bill, but the two bills will need to be merged into one
(reconciliation) and voted upon once again before the president has the
chance to sign anything into law. 

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Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I hope you find the following article interesting.

As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button,
with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have
reverted back to my Galaxy S 6.  

If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I  certainly hope that it
comes up with a better design solution than Samsung.

Mark

CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM
Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET
 
What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the
answer.
Sarah Tew/CNET 
When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected
to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the
rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no
room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and
its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to
hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most
basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one.
 
A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8.
MacRumors 
Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. 
In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to
homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces
in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might
expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too.
The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how
the iPhone 8 will work
Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is already gone. Instead of
a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel
that used subtle vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew
mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic
thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too.
It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the
iPhone 8 display will work, too.
Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch
their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and
later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or
pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably
feel the same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The
bigger problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint
sensor -- or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.)
Control Center is an app launcher away from being the home button
replacement
iPhones currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking
them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient.
Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to
settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting
expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable
widgets and switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a
mini dock at the bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button
-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the
home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action --
pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process:
swiping first and then clicking the screen. 
3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts
It still feels like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that
iPhones 6S and later use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels
unnecessary. But what if pressing down on the home screen opened up
sublayers, or app folders beneath? Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the
screen could launch back to the home area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is
there, and it's theoretically versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to
better use.
 
One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home
screen?
Sarah Tew/CNET 
iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone
The iPad has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11.
(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be
available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for
quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real
estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS
10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app
dock could be a model for what the iPhone 8 app area looks like. Maybe
something on a smaller scale, with nested menus? I just want to get to what
I need faster.
On an iPad Pro with iOS 11, swiping up brings a dashboard with open apps,
plus Control Center. It's a single place to swap between apps or adjust
settings. Basically, it's a type of Home Screen, buried ben

Re: Possible Disruption of Dropbox Support for Some iOS Text Editors

[Bobby Druesedow]

I spoke with someone at AFB about this problem. He informed me that there would 
be no more development with Access Note, and that it would not be updated to 
work with Dropbox. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, everyone.

If I understand correctly, Dropbox will cease using its present API
sometime in September, which may cause certain iOS text editors not to
transfer files to Dropbox.  If this is true, I assume this is a
problem that text editor developers are working to solve.
Unfortunately, a friend wrote to the AccessNote developer about what
was being done and has received no reply.  This is consonant with my
experience with a lack of a response from AFB about AccessNote
support.

Is my assumption about the Dropbox API correct?  If so, which editor
developerss are taking the matter in hand?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Possible Disruption of Dropbox Support for Some iOS Text Editors

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone.

If I understand correctly, Dropbox will cease using its present API
sometime in September, which may cause certain iOS text editors not to
transfer files to Dropbox.  If this is true, I assume this is a
problem that text editor developers are working to solve.
Unfortunately, a friend wrote to the AccessNote developer about what
was being done and has received no reply.  This is consonant with my
experience with a lack of a response from AFB about AccessNote
support.

Is my assumption about the Dropbox API correct?  If so, which editor
developerss are taking the matter in hand?

Thank you for all help.

Craig

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Jed Barton]

Curious, how you get the discounts?  Do they give you discounts after
you ride so many times?

On 9/6/17, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> You're right. They are pretty much identicle. You have the option to either
>
> text or call the driver to give additional instructions.
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 2:25 AM
> Subject: some uber and lift questions
>
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
>> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
>> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
>> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
>> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
>> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
>> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
>> a better price than the other?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed.
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RE: inside temperatures

[Chip Orange]

The Nest thermostat works well with Alexa and has an app for IOS where you can 
see the inside temp.  (for Alexa use a third party skill called “The 
Thermostat”).

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Janet Bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: inside temperatures

 

ok richard any suggestions as to the thermostat I could use?  thanks for your 
help  Janet

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:32 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: inside temperatures

 

 

No.

You have to have a thermostat that works with your iPhone.

HTH,

Richard

 


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is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
house.  I know he or she will tell you outside ones but not inside.  Hope 
someone can help

 

Janet

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Re: inside temperatures

[Andy Baracco]

I have purchased many talking thermometers from Radio Shack over the years. In 
fact, my house is full of them. If you still have a Radio Shack store near you, 
check with them. Also you can still purchase merchandise on their web site, 
www.radioshack.com

Andy

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  Subject: inside temperatures


  is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
house.  I know he or she will tell you outside ones but not inside.  Hope 
someone can help

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Andy Baracco]

You're right. They are pretty much identicle. You have the option to either 
text or call the driver to give additional instructions.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 2:25 AM
Subject: some uber and lift questions



Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?

Cheers,
Jed.

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Marie N.]

Why are you getting the discounts?


-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions

In Lyft, after your trip has been accepted, swipe through the screen
and look for the contact button. Once you choose this, you can pick
how you want to contact the driver. In my experience, I always contact
the driver of whatever service ahead of time. A lot of times I will
get an automated response that the driver is unable to respond because
they are driving, but I also then get a personal response from them
later acknowledging my message. I prefer Lyft for the ease of use, but
Uber is easier to schedule a ride ahead of time. Also, in Austin TX.,
it seems like Lyft does not go through surge pricing as often as Uber.
Finally, I frequently get discounts on both services, but Lyft often
gives me a $5 discount. Going home, that takes my trip cost from about
$7 to $2, or less. Awesome!

Wayne

On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:

Hi Mike,
I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you 
tell


me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not found
this yet.  Thanks much.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions


Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you
a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
Original message:

Hey guys,



OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?



Cheers,
Jed.



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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Jed Barton]

Hey there, it is possible to contact your driver.  I did it this
morning, sent her a text letting her know i was blind, and she texted
me right back, worked like a champ.

On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> That's just it.  I haven't found a contact driver button in the Lyft app
> like it is in the Uber app.  I have really looked for it also.
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Wayne Merritt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions
>
>
> In Lyft, after your trip has been accepted, swipe through the screen
> and look for the contact button. Once you choose this, you can pick
> how you want to contact the driver. In my experience, I always contact
> the driver of whatever service ahead of time. A lot of times I will
> get an automated response that the driver is unable to respond because
> they are driving, but I also then get a personal response from them
> later acknowledging my message. I prefer Lyft for the ease of use, but
> Uber is easier to schedule a ride ahead of time. Also, in Austin TX.,
> it seems like Lyft does not go through surge pricing as often as Uber.
> Finally, I frequently get discounts on both services, but Lyft often
> gives me a $5 discount. Going home, that takes my trip cost from about
> $7 to $2, or less. Awesome!
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>> I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you
>> tell
>>
>> me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not
>> found
>> this yet.  Thanks much.
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike Arrigo" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions
>>
>>
>> Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
>> Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
>> of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
>> Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
>> driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
>> you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
>> phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you
>> a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
>> services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
>> cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
>> there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
>> you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
>> longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
>> Original message:
>>> Hey guys,
>>
>>> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
>>> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
>>> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
>>> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
>>> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
>>> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
>>> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
>>> a better price than the other?
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jed.
>>
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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Kay Malmquist]

That's just it.  I haven't found a contact driver button in the Lyft app 
like it is in the Uber app.  I have really looked for it also.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Merritt" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions


In Lyft, after your trip has been accepted, swipe through the screen
and look for the contact button. Once you choose this, you can pick
how you want to contact the driver. In my experience, I always contact
the driver of whatever service ahead of time. A lot of times I will
get an automated response that the driver is unable to respond because
they are driving, but I also then get a personal response from them
later acknowledging my message. I prefer Lyft for the ease of use, but
Uber is easier to schedule a ride ahead of time. Also, in Austin TX.,
it seems like Lyft does not go through surge pricing as often as Uber.
Finally, I frequently get discounts on both services, but Lyft often
gives me a $5 discount. Going home, that takes my trip cost from about
$7 to $2, or less. Awesome!

Wayne

On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you 
> tell
>
> me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not found
> this yet.  Thanks much.
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Arrigo" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions
>
>
> Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
> Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
> of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
> Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
> driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
> you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
> phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you
> a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
> services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
> cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
> there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
> you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
> longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
> Original message:
>> Hey guys,
>
>> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
>> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
>> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
>> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
>> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
>> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
>> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
>> a better price than the other?
>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed.
>
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Re: Planetronics voyager

[Marie Lyons]

I used a brick and it charged very well.  I will be near the store where I 
bought it so I can ask them about it.

Marie Lyons
> On Sep 5, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You can plug any USB device which can charge when connected to a computer 
> into an outlet via a USB wall adapter.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Marie Lyons
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Planetronics voyager
> 
> I don’t know if it is the legend. I only got the chord with the USB on it. A 
> apparently they want you to charge it through the computer. I am sure it 
> would fit in the base I have but I didn’t;t know if it would do something to 
> it. What about putting a brick on it and plugging it into an outlet?
> 
> Marie Lyons
>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you speaking of the Voyager Legend? The Legend uses a magnetic connector 
>> for charging. I do not know of any other way to charge it.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Marie Lyons" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 10:28 AM
>> Subject: Planetronics voyager
>> 
>> 
>> It doesn’t seem to be properly charging when attached to my computer. I had 
>> a Plantronics edge which fell out of my pocket. I still have the base for 
>> it. Could I charge the Voyager in the charging base for the edge? When I 
>> used to charge the Edge it would do the same thing when plugged directly 
>> into the computer. It charged better on the base. My Voyager didn’t come 
>> with one.
>> 
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Re: inside temperatures

[Janet Bell]

ok richard any suggestions as to the thermostat I could use?  thanks for your 
help  Janet

From: Richard Turner 
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No.
You have to have a thermostat that works with your iPhone.
HTH,
Richard


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  is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
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someone can help

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Re: [iDevices] what does it take to create a Youtube channel?

[Michael D. Ulrich]

What I'd really like to know on YouTube, is how to post a comment? I've tried 
many a time, only to be frustrated to the max. Can anyone offer me any help? 
Thanks!

Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!


> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Prerna Sobti via iDevices 
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> Hi all! Even I would like to know the details for the same! The only 
> difference is that I am not using Braille! But even I have latest versions 
> and I am using iPhone 5SE thanks for any help in advance
> 
> Prerna Sobti 
> 
>> On 06-Sep-2017, at 8:33 PM, Wayne Scott via iDevices 
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>> JWhat does it take to create a Youtube channel?  Is there a way where
>> I can do only audios?  How can I do it on my iPhone with VoiceOver?
>> What apps would I need?  I don't want to do videos because I can't see
>> what the heck I am doing.  How does one edit?  I am running an iPhone
>> with the latest version of IOS and VoiceOver and also use a braille
>> display. Wayne
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RE: inside temperatures

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or something like the Netatmo Weather Station or various other sensors which 
are available from other companies and of course not all of them work with SIRI.
I wish Netatmo would although it is not so difficult to do a 3-finge swipe 
right from the home screen to the Today screen where I have Netatmo set up as a 
widget.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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No.
You have to have a thermostat that works with your iPhone.
HTH,
Richard


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mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>> wrote:
is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
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someone can help

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RE: Ear pods and Siri

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And finally when iOS 11 comes out you can set up the Airpods so one side gets 
SIRI to listen and when you tap the other side it works as Play/Pause.
Now they just have to add volume up/down functionality and skip forward/back 
and I might even buy a set.
But let's first see if there will be a new Airpod with a W2 chip next week.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:14 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Ear pods and Siri

In just sharing a discovery, though others may already know this. I'd been 
puzzled that, with my iPhone in my pocket, double tapping on my earpod did not 
work when out and about to evoke Siri. It just occurred to me today to check 
Siri settings and when I turned on Allow Siri when locked, my double tap was 
recognised at once! These little things do help... Harry

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a couple of different questions

[Wayne Scott]

First question is on YouTube.  How do I comment to someone?  I post
the comment but don't see it.

my second question is on Twitterific.  How do you compose a tweet to
someone you are following?  I tried on both the native Twitter app and
couldn't find the tweet button.  I don't see a way on Twitterific.  I
am running an iPhone with the latest version of IOS and use a braille
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what does it take to create a Youtube channel?

[Wayne Scott]

JWhat does it take to create a Youtube channel?  Is there a way where
I can do only audios?  How can I do it on my iPhone with VoiceOver?
What apps would I need?  I don't want to do videos because I can't see
what the heck I am doing.  How does one edit?  I am running an iPhone
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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Wayne Merritt]

In Lyft, after your trip has been accepted, swipe through the screen
and look for the contact button. Once you choose this, you can pick
how you want to contact the driver. In my experience, I always contact
the driver of whatever service ahead of time. A lot of times I will
get an automated response that the driver is unable to respond because
they are driving, but I also then get a personal response from them
later acknowledging my message. I prefer Lyft for the ease of use, but
Uber is easier to schedule a ride ahead of time. Also, in Austin TX.,
it seems like Lyft does not go through surge pricing as often as Uber.
Finally, I frequently get discounts on both services, but Lyft often
gives me a $5 discount. Going home, that takes my trip cost from about
$7 to $2, or less. Awesome!

Wayne

On 9/6/17, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you tell
>
> me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not found
> this yet.  Thanks much.
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Arrigo" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions
>
>
> Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
> Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
> of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
> Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
> driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
> you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
> phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you
> a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
> services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
> cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
> there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
> you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
> longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
> Original message:
>> Hey guys,
>
>> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
>> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
>> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
>> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
>> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
>> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
>> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
>> a better price than the other?
>
>> Cheers,
>> Jed.
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Re: inside temperatures

[Richard Turner]

No.
You have to have a thermostat that works with your iPhone.
HTH,
Richard


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is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
house.  I know he or she will tell you outside ones but not inside.  Hope 
someone can help

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Kay Malmquist]

Hi Mike,
I am in St. Louis as well.  Not that this makes a difference.  Can you tell 
me where you go to contact the driver with the Lyft app?  I have not found 
this yet.  Thanks much.
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions


Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well.
Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict
of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company.
Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the
driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where
you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the
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a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both
services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a
cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get
there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft,
you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken
longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
Original message:
> Hey guys,

> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
> a better price than the other?

> Cheers,
> Jed.

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inside temperatures

[Janet Bell]

is there a way that you can find out from siri the temperature inside your 
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RE: some uber and lift questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Here in Birmingham, we just got Lyft a few months ago. Uber is more popular, 
and the wait time for an Uber is much shorter than Lyft. I am so glad we have 
these options. 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

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Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions

Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well. 
Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict 
of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company. 
Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the 
driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where 
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phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you 
a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both 
services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a 
cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get 
there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft, 
you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken 
longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.
Original message:
> Hey guys,

> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
> a better price than the other?

> Cheers,
> Jed.

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Mike Arrigo]

Here in St. Louis, we have both services, and both work equally well. 
Many drivers work for both companies, this is not considered a conflict 
of interest since the drivers are really contractors for each company. 
Both apps are accessible. Both apps allow you to call or text the 
driver if necessary. One thing I would suggest, enter the place where 
you want to be picked up, don't rely on the location provided by the 
phone's GPS, it's usually not accurate enough. Both apps will give you 
a price estimation before booking the trip. One thing is for sure, both 
services are much better than the cab companies around here. With a 
cab, you call them and it's pretty much, we'll be there when we get 
there, might be 5 minutes or it could be an hour. With Uber and Lyft, 
you know how far the closest driver is and neither one has ever taken 
longer than 10 minutes, usually shorter.

Original message:

Hey guys,



OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?



Cheers,
Jed.



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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Feliciano Godoy]

I prefer Lyft. However, I also use uber. From my experience, lyft tends to be a 
tad bit cheaper in most cases in my county. I always check both because one  is 
usually cheaper than the other. In terms of the user interface, Lyft is more 
intuitive. You signed up for both rideshare services as your experience may 
differ compared to mine

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On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:49 AM, Jed Barton 
mailto:j...@jedbarton.com>> wrote:

Hey guys, this is all extremely helpful. So i'll tell you all about
why i am using lift and uber more.  I was basicly forced into it.  My
ADA ride service decided to pull a fast 1.  When i moved into my house
4 years ago, they told me that i was in a good location for the ride.
Conveeniently 3 months later, they changed the bus routes, so it made
my home no longer able to get ADA service.  I basicly threw at them,
so how am i supposed to get to work?  They decided to honor it.  So
now they hit me yesterday where if i wanna go any place other than
work i have to meet the ride at a certainly location.  So now it's a
case of now i have to get a ride to get ride.  Makes a lot of sense,
right?  Anyone else delt with anything similar, and what course of
action do we have?  Jeez, it's hard enough getting around for any of
us.

Cheers,
Jed

On 9/6/17, Jeff Clark 
mailto:jeffclark...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Hi,
I do think Lyft and Uber are about the same. I use them both depending on
availability at that time and place.
Concerning letting the driver know. I will message the driver ahead of time
letting him/her know that I am visually impaired and to please identify
themselves when arriving. If I do not get a response prior to them arriving,
then I will call them after 30 seconds or so after the time hits 1 minute.
It may likely be that they  didn't get or read my message. If it is really
busy in the pickup location, I will sometimes describe myself as having a
white cane or my guide dog.
All methods seem to work really well and I have not had many issues.
Jeff


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[mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of the
other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the driver how
to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at the gym or
something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's their car
outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have a better price
than the other?

Cheers,
Jed.

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RE: some umber and lift questions

[Mike Ulrich]

I'll tell you one thing about keeping one's county budget good for Public/Para 
Transit; you've got to get others motivated to attend your county's budget 
meetings; and with the whole disabled community: SCREAM to improve, or at the 
very least, maintain the current budget.

Right about now my county, Lee County Florida, they're getting ready for the 
2017-2018 budget public hearings. But as I keep in touch with our county 
commissioners and both the director of LeeTran and the director of Passport;, 
Para Transit, they've told me that their respective budgets will not be cut 
down. That's acceptable enough for me.

The whole point being, if you, or a group of people, feel the need to get more 
in transportation, then it's up to you to show up at your county's County 
Commissioner meetings and sign up to speak under Citizen's Input time; and  
voice your request from the heart. Plus, you'll probably have to attend these 
meetings time after time, being quite the pain in the arse.
Sure, you might be motivated enough to do this yourself, but when it comes to 
getting other blind folks to show up and back you, it embarrassingly  is clear, 
they say they will, but they indeed don't! All talk and no walk! You've got to 
have the numbers, because you don't have the cash; don't carry any water with 
your local politicians.

So yes, this does require public speaking. But if you're not heard, then public 
transportation and Para Transit are easy targets to cut in the budget.

Sorry to say it, but the blind/disabled voter block is a voter block without 
deep pockets.

These are my last few words..Later!

Michael D. Ulrich
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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys, this is all extremely helpful. So i'll tell you all about why i am 
using lift and uber more.  I was basicly forced into it.  My ADA ride service 
decided to pull a fast 1.  When i moved into my house
4 years ago, they told me that i was in a good location for the ride.
Conveeniently 3 months later, they changed the bus routes, so it made my home 
no longer able to get ADA service.  I basicly threw at them, so how am i 
supposed to get to work?  They decided to honor it.  So now they hit me 
yesterday where if i wanna go any place other than work i have to meet the ride 
at a certainly location.  So now it's a case of now i have to get a ride to get 
ride.  Makes a lot of sense, right?  Anyone else delt with anything similar, 
and what course of action do we have?  Jeez, it's hard enough getting around 
for any of us.

Cheers,
Jed

On 9/6/17, Jeff Clark  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do think Lyft and Uber are about the same. I use them both depending 
> on availability at that time and place.
> Concerning letting the driver know. I will message the driver ahead of 
> time letting him/her know that I am visually impaired and to please 
> identify themselves when arriving. If I do not get a response prior to 
> them arriving, then I will call them after 30 seconds or so after the time 
> hits 1 minute.
> It may likely be that they  didn't get or read my message. If it is 
> really busy in the pickup location, I will sometimes describe myself 
> as having a white cane or my guide dog.
> All methods seem to work really well and I have not had many issues.
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jed Barton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: some uber and lift questions
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of 
> the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the 
> driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at 
> the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's 
> their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have 
> a better price than the other?
>
> Cheers,
> Jed.
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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Kay Malmquist]

We use both and they are really close as far as expensive.  The only thing 
we do not like about Lyft is that you can not contact the driver to let them 
know where you will be or that you are blind.  A lot of the drivers here 
drive for both.  So, usually, it is like a flip of a coin to decide which 
one we might use.

Kay Malmquist
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: some uber and lift questions


I use Uber a little bit, and as for instructing a driver that you're blind 
or you'll be at a certain place within the pick up location; you can contact 
the driver via cell phone, text message or even e mail, I think.

Michael D. Ulrich
Just an ordinary average blind guy!
Florida Council of the Blind
Fundraising Committee Member
!**!
FCB 7th Annual Blind Fishing Tournament!
Saturday March 19, 2018!
Cape Coral Yacht Club; 5819 Driftwood Pkwy. Cape Coral, Fl. 33904
!**!
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Mike's cell phone: 239-565-5845
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Subject: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of the 
other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the driver how 
to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at the gym or 
something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's their car 
outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have a better price 
than the other?

Cheers,
Jed.

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Re: some uber and lift questions

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys, this is all extremely helpful. So i'll tell you all about
why i am using lift and uber more.  I was basicly forced into it.  My
ADA ride service decided to pull a fast 1.  When i moved into my house
4 years ago, they told me that i was in a good location for the ride.
Conveeniently 3 months later, they changed the bus routes, so it made
my home no longer able to get ADA service.  I basicly threw at them,
so how am i supposed to get to work?  They decided to honor it.  So
now they hit me yesterday where if i wanna go any place other than
work i have to meet the ride at a certainly location.  So now it's a
case of now i have to get a ride to get ride.  Makes a lot of sense,
right?  Anyone else delt with anything similar, and what course of
action do we have?  Jeez, it's hard enough getting around for any of
us.

Cheers,
Jed

On 9/6/17, Jeff Clark  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do think Lyft and Uber are about the same. I use them both depending on
> availability at that time and place.
> Concerning letting the driver know. I will message the driver ahead of time
> letting him/her know that I am visually impaired and to please identify
> themselves when arriving. If I do not get a response prior to them arriving,
> then I will call them after 30 seconds or so after the time hits 1 minute.
> It may likely be that they  didn't get or read my message. If it is really
> busy in the pickup location, I will sometimes describe myself as having a
> white cane or my guide dog.
> All methods seem to work really well and I have not had many issues.
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: some uber and lift questions
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
> 1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of the
> other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
> Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the driver how
> to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at the gym or
> something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's their car
> outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have a better price
> than the other?
>
> Cheers,
> Jed.
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RE: some uber and lift questions

[Jeff Clark]

Hi,
I do think Lyft and Uber are about the same. I use them both depending on 
availability at that time and place.
Concerning letting the driver know. I will message the driver ahead of time 
letting him/her know that I am visually impaired and to please identify 
themselves when arriving. If I do not get a response prior to them arriving, 
then I will call them after 30 seconds or so after the time hits 1 minute. It 
may likely be that they  didn't get or read my message. If it is really busy in 
the pickup location, I will sometimes describe myself as having a white cane or 
my guide dog.
All methods seem to work really well and I have not had many issues.
Jeff


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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of the 
other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the driver how to 
find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at the gym or something 
and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's their car outside.  Also if 
anyone has used both, does 1 usually have a better price than the other?

Cheers,
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RE: some uber and lift questions

[Mike Ulrich]

I use Uber a little bit, and as for instructing a driver that you're blind or 
you'll be at a certain place within the pick up location; you can contact the 
driver via cell phone, text message or even e mail, I think.

Michael D. Ulrich
Just an ordinary average blind guy!
Florida Council of the Blind
Fundraising Committee Member
!**!
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Saturday March 19, 2018!
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!**!
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Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of the 
other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the driver how to 
find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at the gym or something 
and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's their car outside.  Also if 
anyone has used both, does 1 usually have a better price than the other?

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RE: some uber and lift questions

[Richard Petty]

I believe prices may vary from city to city, so One service or the other may 
generally cost more than the other. In our area, Lyft is slightly less costly. 
Slightly. In my limited experience, Uber seems more likely to increase rates 
during peak, high-traffic times--that's during what Uber terms the "surge." 
Service quality here is similar for both services. Often the same individuals 
drive for both services, keeping both apps on their smart phones.

For the Uber app, it's fairly easy to send a text message to the driver. I text 
the driver, indicate where I am (such as "standing next to green hospital 
sign") and ask the driver to speak to me when he arrives. I do state that I'm 
blind. When the driver arrives, I ask his or her name. If it's the same name 
shown on the app, then I'm reasonably sure I'm being picked up by the service. 
I don't speak the driver's name until he or she speaks it.

Hope this helps.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 4:25 AM
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Subject: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?

Cheers,
Jed.

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Re: Need help with Dice World

[MamaPeach]

In the Frequently Asked Questions section, in Help and Tutorials, it says:
If you have forgotten your password, just click the forgot password button 
on the log in page. Password reset instructions will be sent to the e-mail 
address on record.

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RE: some uber and lift questions

[Jeremy Gilley]

Good morning,
This is what I've found.

1. Lift can be a tad more expensive from what I have seen, and I use both.
2. Lift drivers actually go through a more thero background check then uber
drivers do.  I've been told this by several lift and uber drivers.
3. At times lift will be surging when uber doesn't, so, this is something to
look out for.
4. I have yet to step into a old and or trashy lift car where I have with
uber. Not to say this can happen, but using both apps several times over the
past year, this is still my opinion.
Lift drivers just seem to appear to be more professional over all then uber
drivers, though I have ridden with very professional uber drivers.
In the end, its everyone's own experiences that helps them decide what app
to use in the end.
Hope this helps.

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Barton
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Subject: some uber and lift questions

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
the gym or something and need them to pick me u, how would i know it's
their car outside.  Also if anyone has used both, does 1 usually have
a better price than the other?

Cheers,
Jed.

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Ear pods and Siri

[Harry Bell]

In just sharing a discovery, though others may already know this. I'd been 
puzzled that, with my iPhone in my pocket, double tapping on my earpod did not 
work when out and about to evoke Siri. It just occurred to me today to check 
Siri settings and when I turned on Allow Siri when locked, my double tap was 
recognised at once! These little things do help... Harry

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some uber and lift questions

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

OK, i wanted some input here on a few things with uber and lift?  What
1 do you guys like better?  It seems like almost 6 of 1, half dozen of
the other if you know what i mean.  Both apps seem to be accessible.
Also, when you are in a place, how do you usually explain to  the
driver how to find you since you can't see them coming, like if i'm at
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any new IOS games coming soon?

['Ming' via VIPhone]

hey!
anyone know that if  there have any new IOS games comming soon? that is 
accessible for visually impaired user?



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