date:20171022

Re: after updating, some oddities

2017-10-22 Thread 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone

I was talking about text messages and the f1 using the amazon basics keyboard 
does not get me to the app switcher.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 16:13
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: after updating, some oddities

Ray, 
I’m using the Logitech K480 and the f1 key still works as you describe.
I do not here apostrophe, but I never paid attention to that so I do not know 
if that is a change or what.
That could be determined by the punctuation setting for VoiceOver.

I’m not clear on your messages question.  If you are talking text messages, 
there  is a bug in iOS 11 that leaves a “null” item when you delete a message.

IF you are talking Email messages, no, you do not have to delete them twice.

Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:16 PM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

  As I was putting the update of the phone off as long as possible, the phone 
updated itself. After the update was complete, there appears to be some 
oddities. First, doubletapping the f1 key on the keyboard use to get me into 
the app switcher. Has that changed? Second, should you have to delete a message 
twice to get it to delete and should that cause the message app to close? Also, 
voiceover no longer says apostrophe when I press that key.  Did I break 
something?
  Ray T. Mahorney
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RE: screen curtain RE: Questions regarding Amazon Video, for a friend

2017-10-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

It saves absolutely zip to turn on the screen curtain. The battery drain from 
the screen comes from the amount of backlighting (mostly) and screen curtain 
does not change the backlighting, it just artifically blackens the screen.
There are assumptions that on a phone with an OLED screen like the soon to be 
released iPhone X screen curtain might save battery, but I don't believe it 
until I hear official confirmation from Apple that this is so. In the meantime 
if you don't have sighted people using the phone set your brightness to 0% and 
turn off auto brightness, if anything this will save you a bit of battery.
Did you use your signature during Irma as well? *smile*


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John R. Vaughn
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:30 AM
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Subject: screen curtain RE: Questions regarding Amazon Video, for a friend

Sieghard,
Forgot about the screen curtain.  Does using the screen curtain save much on 
battery life.  I have a 5S with IOS 10 latest build.
Thank you in advance for guidance..
John in sunny southwest Florida

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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Questions regarding Amazon Video, for a friend

If he has turned on the screen curtain and it interferes with this app 
(unlikely as it may be) he should maybe turn it off with a 3-finger triple tap.
.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Questions regarding Amazon Video, for a friend

Hello everyone,

I’ve not tried this program yet. Been meaning to do so. Just hadn’t gotten 
around to it.
However, I have a totally blind friend, who has been using it for some time, 
now. He has a 6S, with I believe the latest update. As well as latest app 
update.


He told me today that he used to be able to see everything in his library. But 
that now this isn’t the case.
He said that where he thinks he should see his library, I think he said this 
was toward the right side of his screen, it states screen curtain on, and won’t 
show the library.
He says that if he does a search for something he’s purchased, it then will 
show it.


Does anyone else use this App?
Is anyone else having any sort of problems, especially when it comes to seeing 
their Amazon video, library?
  Can anyone offer me some thoughts, or suggestions?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: WiFi thermostats

2017-10-22 Thread Richard Turner

Yes, you can raise or lower it by one degree at a time with the up or down 
buttons. Or you can double tap on the Voice Recorder mic button and say set 
heat at 70 degrees, etc.
Then, there will be a button to either set it as a permanent hold, or to hold 
until a certain time.
You can also set up a schedule, though that is rather tedious.
HTH,
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Oct 22, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Mr. Ed 
> wrote:

Hi Richard,
Can you raise or lower the heat or air conditioner settings with VO?
Mr. Ed

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:05 PM
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Subject: Re: WiFi thermostats

rick,
The honeywell app works very well. The only thing I really wish was exposed to 
VoiceOver is the current inside/outside temperature reading. You can use the 
voice button and ask, but that is a bit hit and miss.
I like the fact that you can make adjustments from anywhere.
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Oct 22, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Rick Alfaro 
> wrote:
Chip, thanks for the great summary. So far I’m leaning to the Honeywell 
RTH9585WF1004 since it’s app looks to be at least somewhat workable. The 
Ecobee4 looked interesting but I found the demo mode in the app to mostly be 
inaccessible with no way to interact with the controls with VO.

The skill you mentioned sounds very interesting. Is there any skill available 
that will allow you to create schedules? Also, how much can you really do via 
the Echo or Siri? I get the feeling it’s quite limited.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WiFi thermostats

I have several years of experience with the Nest thermostats:  we own two, and 
we have two Nest smoke detectors as well (primarily because they will call your 
phone if an emergency occurs at home).

The Nest app is moderately accessible … I have not been able to set schedules 
using it.  Also, if the thermostat has a problem connecting to your wifi, or 
via the internet to the Nest main servers, it will display error messages only 
on the thermostat (which you usually have to have sighted help to deal with).

You could get around the inability to set schedules by use of the “learning” 
feature (having your installer clear all learning after installation and 
testing is very helpful).  Each time you make an adjustment to the temp, the 
idea is that if it sees you do this repeatedly it will make a schedule for you.

My wife found it confusing when it would suddenly make a temperature setting 
change without explanation, so we eventually turned off learning (I guess it’s 
a personal preference).

It’s very nice that the Nest will manage humidity in a home which has a 
two-speed or a variable speed system.  It does this by running the system at 
slower speeds when the humidity rises too high.  Even with a standard single 
speed system the Nest will manage humidity by “over-cooling” up to 4 degrees if 
you enable this feature.  However, it takes sighted assistance to adjust the 
humidity level setting (it’s not something you usually ever adjust again 
however).

It’s a very good idea to get an installer who is certified as a “Nest Pro”, so 
ask them.  Turns out my installer was not, and I am still arguing with them, 
and trying to teach them about Nest features.  Their one employee who 
understood Nest thermostats has left them.

If you have both Nest thermostats and smoke detectors, if you have any smoke 
the detectors will cause your heating or air conditioning to shut off to stop 
the spread of smoke … a nice feature.  Their smoke detectors report the problem 
with a recorded voice announcement, along with its location, such as “low 
battery in the dining room” or “smoke in the up stairs”, so this is also nice.  
They self test themselves monthly, and report the results to you via the app.

While the ability to control Nest thermostats is built into the Echo, I use a 
third party Skill called “The Thermostat” because it allows me to ask it what 
is the humidity in the up stairs, and other such additional questions and 
commands, so you may want to look into this skill as it works with many models.

Hth,

Chip

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WiFi thermostats

Hello listers. I know this topic has been discussed several times on this list. 
At the time I had a functioning WiFi thermostat from Radio Thermostats known as

RE: WiFi thermostats

2017-10-22 Thread Mr. Ed

Hi Richard,

Can you raise or lower the heat or air conditioner settings with VO?

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WiFi thermostats

 

 

rick, 

The honeywell app works very well. The only thing I really wish was exposed to 
VoiceOver is the current inside/outside temperature reading. You can use the 
voice button and ask, but that is a bit hit and miss. 

I like the fact that you can make adjustments from anywhere.

Richard

 





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Oct 22, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

Chip, thanks for the great summary. So far I’m leaning to the Honeywell 
RTH9585WF1004 since it’s app looks to be at least somewhat workable. The 
Ecobee4 looked interesting but I found the demo mode in the app to mostly be 
inaccessible with no way to interact with the controls with VO.

 

The skill you mentioned sounds very interesting. Is there any skill available 
that will allow you to create schedules? Also, how much can you really do via 
the Echo or Siri? I get the feeling it’s quite limited.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WiFi thermostats

 

I have several years of experience with the Nest thermostats:  we own two, and 
we have two Nest smoke detectors as well (primarily because they will call your 
phone if an emergency occurs at home).

 

The Nest app is moderately accessible … I have not been able to set schedules 
using it.  Also, if the thermostat has a problem connecting to your wifi, or 
via the internet to the Nest main servers, it will display error messages only 
on the thermostat (which you usually have to have sighted help to deal with).

 

You could get around the inability to set schedules by use of the “learning” 
feature (having your installer clear all learning after installation and 
testing is very helpful).  Each time you make an adjustment to the temp, the 
idea is that if it sees you do this repeatedly it will make a schedule for you.

 

My wife found it confusing when it would suddenly make a temperature setting 
change without explanation, so we eventually turned off learning (I guess it’s 
a personal preference).

 

It’s very nice that the Nest will manage humidity in a home which has a 
two-speed or a variable speed system.  It does this by running the system at 
slower speeds when the humidity rises too high.  Even with a standard single 
speed system the Nest will manage humidity by “over-cooling” up to 4 degrees if 
you enable this feature.  However, it takes sighted assistance to adjust the 
humidity level setting (it’s not something you usually ever adjust again 
however).

 

It’s a very good idea to get an installer who is certified as a “Nest Pro”, so 
ask them.  Turns out my installer was not, and I am still arguing with them, 
and trying to teach them about Nest features.  Their one employee who 
understood Nest thermostats has left them.

 

If you have both Nest thermostats and smoke detectors, if you have any smoke 
the detectors will cause your heating or air conditioning to shut off to stop 
the spread of smoke … a nice feature.  Their smoke detectors report the problem 
with a recorded voice announcement, along with its location, such as “low 
battery in the dining room” or “smoke in the up stairs”, so this is also nice.  
They self test themselves monthly, and report the results to you via the app.

 

While the ability to control Nest thermostats is built into the Echo, I use a 
third party Skill called “The Thermostat” because it allows me to ask it what 
is the humidity in the up stairs, and other such additional questions and 
commands, so you may want to look into this skill as it works with many models.

 

Hth,

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WiFi thermostats

 

Hello listers. I know this topic has been discussed several times on this list. 
At the time I had a functioning WiFi thermostat from Radio Thermostats known as 
the Filtreet CT50. 

 

Unfortunately, it’s bitten the dust and no longer connects to my network, even 
not after long hours of trouble shooting including the wiring. It’s time for me 
to move on so I’d like to purchase a thermostat that works with Alexa. The one 
I’ve seen on Amazon is the Ecobee3 lite second gen for $168 via Prime shipping. 
Of course the real issue is whether or not it’s IOS app is workable with 
VoiceOver. If anyone has had any experience with this brand, I’d be interested 
in knowing your experience in terms of accessibility.

 

There are 2 other thermostats that work with Alexa. The Nest learning and the

Re: Google mail question.

2017-10-22 Thread cmohney1961

Thank you Christopher.

Connie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> If you delete a message in Gmail, it should be removed from the server in 
> about 30 days. I'm not sure if the 30 days starts from the time the message 
> was received or the time the message was deleted. So for example, if you just 
> deleted a message from last January, it may still stick around for 30 days 
> before it's deleted from the Gmail servers.
> 
> 
> Like I said, I don't worry about it and just let Gmail clean up after itself. 
> I did go in and check though, and the oldest email in my inbox is from May of 
> 2011, but the oldest email in my trash folder is from August 2017.
> 
> 
>> On 10/22/2017 12:04 PM, cmohney1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello Christopher.
>> 
>> Thank you for your reply and explanation.  My friend still has e-mail 
>> messages from January on her phone.  So, where do you go to get the messages 
>> to delete in 30 days?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Connie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gmail doesn't actually have folders on the servers. It attaches a label or 
>>> set of labels to each message. When you're looking at a folder in Gmail, 
>>> you're just looking at the messages on the server that have that label. So 
>>> for example, when you delete a message, the trash lavel gets added to the 
>>> message, so when you bring up the trash folder, you're seeing all of the 
>>> messages that have the trash label attached to it. Any message that has the 
>>> trash label will be deleted from the server in 30 days. This is nice if you 
>>> accidentally deleted a message and want to get it back.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The all folder just shows you every message on the server, so it'll include 
>>> messages with any label on them, such as the trash label. This is handy if 
>>> you're looking for a message and you don't know where you filed it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't answer your other questions since I'm OK with just letting Google 
>>> clean up my messages after 30 days or so.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/21/2017 10:02 PM, Connie Mohney wrote:
 I'm writing these questions for a friend.
 She has a gMail account. In her important mail folder and her allmail
 folder she has messages going in there that she has deleted.  From her in
 box folder.  How can she stop those messages that she has deleted from 
 going
 into those folders.  The sent messages that she has sent to other people 
 are
 also going into those folders. She would prefer that her sent messages just
 go into her sent message folder rather than those other folders.  She would
 like all mail she has deleted from her in box to be deleted from the 
 server.
 She is still in iOS 10 latest version using an iPhone  5 SE and the iPhone
 7.  She is a voice over user.  Thank you for your assistance.
 
 Connie
 
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Re: One More Weight Watcher Question

2017-10-22 Thread Lynn White

Hi Nancy,

Bingo!  That works every time.  Our family thanks you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Lynn,
> When you first open the app, it defaults to the food section which counts 
> your points for the day. If you go to the very bottom of that page there is a 
> link to browse restaurants. When you double tap on that, swipe right a couple 
> of times to the search bar. Type the name of the restaurant you wish to find 
> in the search bar. Then swipe right down until you get to that name and 
> double tap on it. I hope this helps.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 12:04 AM, lynn white  wrote:
>> 
>> Let's say that you are in the Activities section and you wish to browse 
>> restaurants, how is this accomplished?  My wife tried to show me.  But there 
>> is probably a more orderly way of navigating around with Voiceover.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
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Apple's iPhone X bottleneck woes may be over.

2017-10-22 Thread Maria Reyes

This looks like good news!!! Hope this is true. 



A new supply chain report suggests that the chokepoints on iPhone X 
manufacturing are loosening, and shipments from assemblers may meet demand 
before the holiday season concludes.


Contradicting earlier supply chain reports, DigiTimes claims that chip vendors 
"were not aware" of any production delays or shipment cutbacks. The same 
reports claim that chip deliveries for the iPhone X have been on schedule, with 
the supply chain needs for components sated before the holiday season.

Tuesday's report claims that shipments of the iPhone X will "grow 
substantially" after October -- which it would have to, to have any 
availability in November, if previous reports are accurate.

However, the report also claims that the iPhone X won't reach equilibrium of 
supply and demand until the first quarter of 2018. Should the new predicted 
schedule hold, that would mean that there is sufficient supply of the device at 
about the same time as the iPhone 7 Plus did.

Many of the earlier reports of constrained component supply, including one from 
Monday, came from DigiTimes itself, so it is not clear where the new, or 
refined, information is coming from. DigiTimes has an unreliable track record 
in predicting Apple's future product plans, but does occasionally provide 
accurate information from Apple's supply chain.

Apple's iPhone X debuted on Sept. 12 and has a 5.8-inch Super Retina OLED 
display, the A11 Bionic processor, a 3D-sensing TrueDepth camera at the core of 
the Face ID technology. The device ships Nov. 3, and starts at $999 without any 
promotions.



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Re: Google mail question.

2017-10-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

If you delete a message in Gmail, it should be removed from the server 
in about 30 days. I'm not sure if the 30 days starts from the time the 
message was received or the time the message was deleted. So for 
example, if you just deleted a message from last January, it may still 
stick around for 30 days before it's deleted from the Gmail servers.



Like I said, I don't worry about it and just let Gmail clean up after 
itself. I did go in and check though, and the oldest email in my inbox 
is from May of 2011, but the oldest email in my trash folder is from 
August 2017.



    On 10/22/2017 12:04 PM, cmohney1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Christopher.

Thank you for your reply and explanation.  My friend still has e-mail messages 
from January on her phone.  So, where do you go to get the messages to delete 
in 30 days?  Thank you.

Connie

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 22, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

Gmail doesn't actually have folders on the servers. It attaches a label or set 
of labels to each message. When you're looking at a folder in Gmail, you're 
just looking at the messages on the server that have that label. So for 
example, when you delete a message, the trash lavel gets added to the message, 
so when you bring up the trash folder, you're seeing all of the messages that 
have the trash label attached to it. Any message that has the trash label will 
be deleted from the server in 30 days. This is nice if you accidentally deleted 
a message and want to get it back.


The all folder just shows you every message on the server, so it'll include 
messages with any label on them, such as the trash label. This is handy if 
you're looking for a message and you don't know where you filed it.


I can't answer your other questions since I'm OK with just letting Google clean 
up my messages after 30 days or so.



On 10/21/2017 10:02 PM, Connie Mohney wrote:
I'm writing these questions for a friend.
She has a gMail account. In her important mail folder and her allmail
folder she has messages going in there that she has deleted.  From her in
box folder.  How can she stop those messages that she has deleted from going
into those folders.  The sent messages that she has sent to other people are
also going into those folders. She would prefer that her sent messages just
go into her sent message folder rather than those other folders.  She would
like all mail she has deleted from her in box to be deleted from the server.
She is still in iOS 10 latest version using an iPhone  5 SE and the iPhone
7.  She is a voice over user.  Thank you for your assistance.

Connie


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Re: One More Weight Watcher Question

2017-10-22 Thread Nancy Badger

Lynn,
When you first open the app, it defaults to the food section which counts your 
points for the day. If you go to the very bottom of that page there is a link 
to browse restaurants. When you double tap on that, swipe right a couple of 
times to the search bar. Type the name of the restaurant you wish to find in 
the search bar. Then swipe right down until you get to that name and double tap 
on it. I hope this helps.

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Old Dominion University
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> Let's say that you are in the Activities section and you wish to browse 
> restaurants, how is this accomplished?  My wife tried to show me.  But there 
> is probably a more orderly way of navigating around with Voiceover.
> 
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> Thanks in advance.
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Re: after updating, some oddities

2017-10-22 Thread Richard Turner

Ray,
If you go into the VoiceOver, Typing Feedback setting and turn on either 
characters or both characters and words, then you will hear “left open quote” 
when hitting the apostrophe, but that means you will hear every key you type.
I normally have my hardware keyboard set to only words.
I don’t know if you can change the way VoiceOver says the name of the 
Apostrophe key.  I think I will experiment with that.
Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Oct 22, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Richard Turner 
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Ray,
I’m using the Logitech K480 and the f1 key still works as you describe.
I do not here apostrophe, but I never paid attention to that so I do not know 
if that is a change or what.
That could be determined by the punctuation setting for VoiceOver.

I’m not clear on your messages question.  If you are talking text messages, 
there  is a bug in iOS 11 that leaves a “null” item when you delete a message.

IF you are talking Email messages, no, you do not have to delete them twice.

Richard

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

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As I was putting the update of the phone off as long as possible, the phone 
updated itself. After the update was complete, there appears to be some 
oddities. First, doubletapping the f1 key on the keyboard use to get me into 
the app switcher. Has that changed? Second, should you have to delete a message 
twice to get it to delete and should that cause the message app to close? Also, 
voiceover no longer says apostrophe when I press that key.  Did I break 
something?
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Re: after updating, some oddities

2017-10-22 Thread Richard Turner

Ray,
I’m using the Logitech K480 and the f1 key still works as you describe.
I do not here apostrophe, but I never paid attention to that so I do not know 
if that is a change or what.
That could be determined by the punctuation setting for VoiceOver.

I’m not clear on your messages question.  If you are talking text messages, 
there  is a bug in iOS 11 that leaves a “null” item when you delete a message.

IF you are talking Email messages, no, you do not have to delete them twice.

Richard



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As I was putting the update of the phone off as long as possible, the phone 
updated itself. After the update was complete, there appears to be some 
oddities. First, doubletapping the f1 key on the keyboard use to get me into 
the app switcher. Has that changed? Second, should you have to delete a message 
twice to get it to delete and should that cause the message app to close? Also, 
voiceover no longer says apostrophe when I press that key.  Did I break 
something?
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Re: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

2017-10-22 Thread Maria Reyes

Hi, Chip, This sounds interesting. I haven't tried WhatsApp since I don't have 
a phone yet. I wish they would make whatsApp for iPads and iPods. I would 
probably use that group feature a lot. 

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> On Oct 22, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
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> I use the group feature of WhatsApp quite a bit ... in concept it's very much 
> like this mailing list, except each of us in the group leaves voice messages 
> instead of email messages to the group.
> 
> This might be a good way to offer lessons of any kind, as each less would go 
> out to the entire group, who could also hear any questions.
> 
> When recording long voice messages you may want to know that there is an 
> alternative to holding your finger down on the voice message button (which is 
> the usual way to record a message).  The alternative is to start the message 
> by holding your finger down, then use your other hand to turn off voice over 
> and then turn it back on.  As soon as you turn voice over off you can release 
> your finger from the voice message button and it will continue recording.  
> You can verify this by looking for a timer which is at the bottom of the 
> screen near the voice message button.
> 
> To stop the recording you give the voice message button a double tap.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> hello,
> Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people 
> around the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, 
> Millie to receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight 
> people, with their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we 
> would be a group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an 
> individual basis. am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way 
> that one can use Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? 
> would there be any point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep 
> tabs of the various calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I 
> almost wish I hadn’t volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. 
> can anyone give me some tips as to how to organise this via the app?
> 
> thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy
> 
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Re: WiFi thermostats

2017-10-22 Thread Richard Turner


rick,
The honeywell app works very well. The only thing I really wish was exposed to 
VoiceOver is the current inside/outside temperature reading. You can use the 
voice button and ask, but that is a bit hit and miss.
I like the fact that you can make adjustments from anywhere.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Oct 22, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Rick Alfaro 
> wrote:

Chip, thanks for the great summary. So far I’m leaning to the Honeywell 
RTH9585WF1004 since it’s app looks to be at least somewhat workable. The 
Ecobee4 looked interesting but I found the demo mode in the app to mostly be 
inaccessible with no way to interact with the controls with VO.

The skill you mentioned sounds very interesting. Is there any skill available 
that will allow you to create schedules? Also, how much can you really do via 
the Echo or Siri? I get the feeling it’s quite limited.



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WiFi thermostats

I have several years of experience with the Nest thermostats:  we own two, and 
we have two Nest smoke detectors as well (primarily because they will call your 
phone if an emergency occurs at home).

The Nest app is moderately accessible … I have not been able to set schedules 
using it.  Also, if the thermostat has a problem connecting to your wifi, or 
via the internet to the Nest main servers, it will display error messages only 
on the thermostat (which you usually have to have sighted help to deal with).

You could get around the inability to set schedules by use of the “learning” 
feature (having your installer clear all learning after installation and 
testing is very helpful).  Each time you make an adjustment to the temp, the 
idea is that if it sees you do this repeatedly it will make a schedule for you.

My wife found it confusing when it would suddenly make a temperature setting 
change without explanation, so we eventually turned off learning (I guess it’s 
a personal preference).

It’s very nice that the Nest will manage humidity in a home which has a 
two-speed or a variable speed system.  It does this by running the system at 
slower speeds when the humidity rises too high.  Even with a standard single 
speed system the Nest will manage humidity by “over-cooling” up to 4 degrees if 
you enable this feature.  However, it takes sighted assistance to adjust the 
humidity level setting (it’s not something you usually ever adjust again 
however).

It’s a very good idea to get an installer who is certified as a “Nest Pro”, so 
ask them.  Turns out my installer was not, and I am still arguing with them, 
and trying to teach them about Nest features.  Their one employee who 
understood Nest thermostats has left them.

If you have both Nest thermostats and smoke detectors, if you have any smoke 
the detectors will cause your heating or air conditioning to shut off to stop 
the spread of smoke … a nice feature.  Their smoke detectors report the problem 
with a recorded voice announcement, along with its location, such as “low 
battery in the dining room” or “smoke in the up stairs”, so this is also nice.  
They self test themselves monthly, and report the results to you via the app.

While the ability to control Nest thermostats is built into the Echo, I use a 
third party Skill called “The Thermostat” because it allows me to ask it what 
is the humidity in the up stairs, and other such additional questions and 
commands, so you may want to look into this skill as it works with many models.

Hth,

Chip



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WiFi thermostats

Hello listers. I know this topic has been discussed several times on this list. 
At the time I had a functioning WiFi thermostat from Radio Thermostats known as 
the Filtreet CT50.

Unfortunately, it’s bitten the dust and no longer connects to my network, even 
not after long hours of trouble shooting including the wiring. It’s time for me 
to move on so I’d like to purchase a thermostat that works with Alexa. The one 
I’ve seen on Amazon is the Ecobee3 lite second gen for $168 via Prime shipping. 
Of course the real issue is whether or not it’s IOS app is workable with 
VoiceOver. If anyone has had any experience with this brand, I’d be interested 
in knowing your experience in terms of accessibility.

There are 2 other thermostats that work with Alexa. The Nest learning and the 
Honeywell RTH9585WF1004 so if anyone has any experience with either of these, 
I’d also be grateful for any feedback with regard to their respective 
accessibility.


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RE: WiFi thermostats

2017-10-22 Thread Rick Alfaro

Chip, thanks for the great summary. So far I’m leaning to the Honeywell 
RTH9585WF1004 since it’s app looks to be at least somewhat workable. The 
Ecobee4 looked interesting but I found the demo mode in the app to mostly be 
inaccessible with no way to interact with the controls with VO.

 

The skill you mentioned sounds very interesting. Is there any skill available 
that will allow you to create schedules? Also, how much can you really do via 
the Echo or Siri? I get the feeling it’s quite limited.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WiFi thermostats

 

I have several years of experience with the Nest thermostats:  we own two, and 
we have two Nest smoke detectors as well (primarily because they will call your 
phone if an emergency occurs at home).

 

The Nest app is moderately accessible … I have not been able to set schedules 
using it.  Also, if the thermostat has a problem connecting to your wifi, or 
via the internet to the Nest main servers, it will display error messages only 
on the thermostat (which you usually have to have sighted help to deal with).

 

You could get around the inability to set schedules by use of the “learning” 
feature (having your installer clear all learning after installation and 
testing is very helpful).  Each time you make an adjustment to the temp, the 
idea is that if it sees you do this repeatedly it will make a schedule for you.

 

My wife found it confusing when it would suddenly make a temperature setting 
change without explanation, so we eventually turned off learning (I guess it’s 
a personal preference).

 

It’s very nice that the Nest will manage humidity in a home which has a 
two-speed or a variable speed system.  It does this by running the system at 
slower speeds when the humidity rises too high.  Even with a standard single 
speed system the Nest will manage humidity by “over-cooling” up to 4 degrees if 
you enable this feature.  However, it takes sighted assistance to adjust the 
humidity level setting (it’s not something you usually ever adjust again 
however).

 

It’s a very good idea to get an installer who is certified as a “Nest Pro”, so 
ask them.  Turns out my installer was not, and I am still arguing with them, 
and trying to teach them about Nest features.  Their one employee who 
understood Nest thermostats has left them.

 

If you have both Nest thermostats and smoke detectors, if you have any smoke 
the detectors will cause your heating or air conditioning to shut off to stop 
the spread of smoke … a nice feature.  Their smoke detectors report the problem 
with a recorded voice announcement, along with its location, such as “low 
battery in the dining room” or “smoke in the up stairs”, so this is also nice.  
They self test themselves monthly, and report the results to you via the app.

 

While the ability to control Nest thermostats is built into the Echo, I use a 
third party Skill called “The Thermostat” because it allows me to ask it what 
is the humidity in the up stairs, and other such additional questions and 
commands, so you may want to look into this skill as it works with many models.

 

Hth,

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: WiFi thermostats

 

Hello listers. I know this topic has been discussed several times on this list. 
At the time I had a functioning WiFi thermostat from Radio Thermostats known as 
the Filtreet CT50. 

 

Unfortunately, it’s bitten the dust and no longer connects to my network, even 
not after long hours of trouble shooting including the wiring. It’s time for me 
to move on so I’d like to purchase a thermostat that works with Alexa. The one 
I’ve seen on Amazon is the Ecobee3 lite second gen for $168 via Prime shipping. 
Of course the real issue is whether or not it’s IOS app is workable with 
VoiceOver. If anyone has had any experience with this brand, I’d be interested 
in knowing your experience in terms of accessibility.

 

There are 2 other thermostats that work with Alexa. The Nest learning and the 
Honeywell RTH9585WF1004 so if anyone has any experience with either of these, 
I’d also be grateful for any feedback with regard to their respective 
accessibility.

 

 

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RE: WiFi thermostats

2017-10-22 Thread Chip Orange

I have several years of experience with the Nest thermostats:  we own two, and 
we have two Nest smoke detectors as well (primarily because they will call your 
phone if an emergency occurs at home).

 

The Nest app is moderately accessible … I have not been able to set schedules 
using it.  Also, if the thermostat has a problem connecting to your wifi, or 
via the internet to the Nest main servers, it will display error messages only 
on the thermostat (which you usually have to have sighted help to deal with).

 

You could get around the inability to set schedules by use of the “learning” 
feature (having your installer clear all learning after installation and 
testing is very helpful).  Each time you make an adjustment to the temp, the 
idea is that if it sees you do this repeatedly it will make a schedule for you.

 

My wife found it confusing when it would suddenly make a temperature setting 
change without explanation, so we eventually turned off learning (I guess it’s 
a personal preference).

 

It’s very nice that the Nest will manage humidity in a home which has a 
two-speed or a variable speed system.  It does this by running the system at 
slower speeds when the humidity rises too high.  Even with a standard single 
speed system the Nest will manage humidity by “over-cooling” up to 4 degrees if 
you enable this feature.  However, it takes sighted assistance to adjust the 
humidity level setting (it’s not something you usually ever adjust again 
however).

 

It’s a very good idea to get an installer who is certified as a “Nest Pro”, so 
ask them.  Turns out my installer was not, and I am still arguing with them, 
and trying to teach them about Nest features.  Their one employee who 
understood Nest thermostats has left them.

 

If you have both Nest thermostats and smoke detectors, if you have any smoke 
the detectors will cause your heating or air conditioning to shut off to stop 
the spread of smoke … a nice feature.  Their smoke detectors report the problem 
with a recorded voice announcement, along with its location, such as “low 
battery in the dining room” or “smoke in the up stairs”, so this is also nice.  
They self test themselves monthly, and report the results to you via the app.

 

While the ability to control Nest thermostats is built into the Echo, I use a 
third party Skill called “The Thermostat” because it allows me to ask it what 
is the humidity in the up stairs, and other such additional questions and 
commands, so you may want to look into this skill as it works with many models.

 

Hth,

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: WiFi thermostats

 

Hello listers. I know this topic has been discussed several times on this list. 
At the time I had a functioning WiFi thermostat from Radio Thermostats known as 
the Filtreet CT50. 

 

Unfortunately, it’s bitten the dust and no longer connects to my network, even 
not after long hours of trouble shooting including the wiring. It’s time for me 
to move on so I’d like to purchase a thermostat that works with Alexa. The one 
I’ve seen on Amazon is the Ecobee3 lite second gen for $168 via Prime shipping. 
Of course the real issue is whether or not it’s IOS app is workable with 
VoiceOver. If anyone has had any experience with this brand, I’d be interested 
in knowing your experience in terms of accessibility.

 

There are 2 other thermostats that work with Alexa. The Nest learning and the 
Honeywell RTH9585WF1004 so if anyone has any experience with either of these, 
I’d also be grateful for any feedback with regard to their respective 
accessibility.

 

 

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RE: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

2017-10-22 Thread Chip Orange

I use the group feature of WhatsApp quite a bit ... in concept it's very much 
like this mailing list, except each of us in the group leaves voice messages 
instead of email messages to the group.

This might be a good way to offer lessons of any kind, as each less would go 
out to the entire group, who could also hear any questions.

When recording long voice messages you may want to know that there is an 
alternative to holding your finger down on the voice message button (which is 
the usual way to record a message).  The alternative is to start the message by 
holding your finger down, then use your other hand to turn off voice over and 
then turn it back on.  As soon as you turn voice over off you can release your 
finger from the voice message button and it will continue recording.  You can 
verify this by looking for a timer which is at the bottom of the screen near 
the voice message button.

To stop the recording you give the voice message button a double tap.

Good luck,

Chip


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Subject: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

hello,
Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people around 
the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, Millie to 
receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight people, with 
their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we would be a 
group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an individual basis. 
am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way that one can use 
Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? would there be any 
point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep tabs of the various 
calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I almost wish I hadn’t 
volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. can anyone give me some 
tips as to how to organise this via the app?

thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy

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Re: Braille Displays . . . Again!!!!

2017-10-22 Thread Wayne Scott

I use a Focus 14 with my iPhone. And it works fine. I have never heard of a 24 
or 32 crl display. The Focus 14 costs around $1300. Plus, it's very portable. 
Unless you have a Braillenote 18, that's the oqy one I can think of. I think 
APH has a braille display that might work. Check there. Being partially deaf, I 
hfound braille to be a lifesaver. I use it in combination with speech at times. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> At the risk of being another pain in the behind looking for the optimal 
> Braille display for my needs, here are my needs:
> 
> 1. It must be very portable;
> 
> 2. It will be used for mostly a great deal of reading, and is needed for work 
> and personal use;
> 
> 3. It must work reliably with the iPhone;
> 
> 4. As a rapid Braille reader, one of the tinier displays simply will not do, 
> *yet*, a I cannot imagine that any 40-cell display is truly portable. I have 
> never seen a 24- or 32-cell display, and suspect they might be right for me, 
> but aside from the Brailliant, I have been unable to find reviews on any 24- 
> or 32-cell displays.
> 
> 5. The Actilino looked good, until I read that it only had 16 cells, *ant* 
> that updating it would require a Windows machine. On a related note, I cannot 
> find any reviews of Basic Braille, though the description looked good.
> 
> 6. I seriously considered ESYS 24, but it is a little pricier than I want; my 
> limit is $2500, and I prefer between $1500 and $2000.
> Also, I heard the ESYS devices require a Windows machine for updating.
> 7. Can anyone who is an extremely fast Braille reader who uses one of the 
> smaller Braille displays please let me know their experiences, good or bad?
> 
> 8. Does ATC on the Actilino really work, perhaps canceling out the fact that 
> it is quite small? Anything sluggish simply is not going to cut it.
> 
> 9. I have fairly small hands, so ergonomics requires easy access to panning 
> and the space bar; I also have had rather nasty tendinitis in my dominant 
> hand from using my cane and from too much typing on the iPhone, so I have to 
> take this into account. 
> 
> 10. I have seen the Focus line of displays and do not particularly like them.
> 
> 
> 11. The Vario Ultra 20 looks pretty good, but I am not sure if it might be 
> too small; it would depend on how easy it is to move from line to line, and I 
> have seen some reviews which say it is more complicated than some of the 
> others, though I realize this is quite subjective.
> 12 I have seen the lists of supported displays, and cannot find reviews for 
> most of them. 
> Help! Please! Thanks so much. I need more inconspicuous access to my reading; 
> I feel rude having an earphone in my ear when others around me are presenting 
> or talking.
> Christine
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RE: female Siri and Voice Dream

2017-10-22 Thread Richard Turner

As far as I know, none of the Siri voices are available to developers, so no.

If you want that, I'd suggest writing to supp...@voicedream.com and requesting 
it.
Also, putting in a request to Apple accessibility to make the Siri voices 
available to developers.

Richard


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regina alvarado
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 11:28 AM
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Subject: female Siri and Voice Dream

Does anyone know what voice is Beiri female? Is it available to use with Voice 
Dream Reader? I rather like the voice for IOS so I wanted to try it on VDR. 
Thanks" 



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last post, Dream Reader and Siri female voice?

2017-10-22 Thread regina alvarado

Sorry, fingers got away from me and I sent too fast. 



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female Siri and Voice Dream

2017-10-22 Thread regina alvarado

Does anyone know what voice is Beiri female? Is it available to use with Voice 
Dream Reader? I rather like the voice for IOS so I wanted to try it on VDR. 
Thanks" 



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Re: Google mail question.

2017-10-22 Thread cmohney1961

Hello Christopher.

Thank you for your reply and explanation.  My friend still has e-mail messages 
from January on her phone.  So, where do you go to get the messages to delete 
in 30 days?  Thank you.

Connie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> Gmail doesn't actually have folders on the servers. It attaches a label or 
> set of labels to each message. When you're looking at a folder in Gmail, 
> you're just looking at the messages on the server that have that label. So 
> for example, when you delete a message, the trash lavel gets added to the 
> message, so when you bring up the trash folder, you're seeing all of the 
> messages that have the trash label attached to it. Any message that has the 
> trash label will be deleted from the server in 30 days. This is nice if you 
> accidentally deleted a message and want to get it back.
> 
> 
> The all folder just shows you every message on the server, so it'll include 
> messages with any label on them, such as the trash label. This is handy if 
> you're looking for a message and you don't know where you filed it.
> 
> 
> I can't answer your other questions since I'm OK with just letting Google 
> clean up my messages after 30 days or so.
> 
> 
>> On 10/21/2017 10:02 PM, Connie Mohney wrote:
>> I'm writing these questions for a friend.
>> She has a gMail account. In her important mail folder and her allmail
>> folder she has messages going in there that she has deleted.  From her in
>> box folder.  How can she stop those messages that she has deleted from going
>> into those folders.  The sent messages that she has sent to other people are
>> also going into those folders. She would prefer that her sent messages just
>> go into her sent message folder rather than those other folders.  She would
>> like all mail she has deleted from her in box to be deleted from the server.
>> She is still in iOS 10 latest version using an iPhone  5 SE and the iPhone
>> 7.  She is a voice over user.  Thank you for your assistance.
>> 
>> Connie
>> 
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Re: Docu sign - how does it work?

2017-10-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I use it at work. I usually use JAWS and Chrome, and I find it 
accessible although a bit tedious at times. There's a link or button 
near the top that says something like press enter here to read this 
document with your screen reader. Once I tap on that, I can arow down 
through the document, read it, fill in what needs to be filled in and 
take action on the buttons where I need to do something. Like I said, 
it's all doable, but I have to take my time, and I do find it a bit 
tedious. It is better then printing it though and getting sighted help 
to sign and scan it.



On 10/21/2017 11:04 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
I used it as a part of real estate transactions, and found it to be 
accessible.

Andy

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*Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: Docu sign - how does it work?

I should clarify, I was using it with voiceover on an iPhone.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse
spelling errors.

On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Noe Villeda > wrote:


Yes, it is pretty accessible with Jaws.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Donald L. Roberts
*Sent:* Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:17 PM
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*Subject:* Docu sign - how does it work?

A sales person was making a presentation and wanted a signature
using a program which he called "docu sign."  Frankly, I didn't
understand his explanation and hope that some list member can
tell me how it works and whether it is accessible when using an
iPhone 6.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: Google mail question.

2017-10-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain

Gmail doesn't actually have folders on the servers. It attaches a label 
or set of labels to each message. When you're looking at a folder in 
Gmail, you're just looking at the messages on the server that have that 
label. So for example, when you delete a message, the trash lavel gets 
added to the message, so when you bring up the trash folder, you're 
seeing all of the messages that have the trash label attached to it. Any 
message that has the trash label will be deleted from the server in 30 
days. This is nice if you accidentally deleted a message and want to get 
it back.



The all folder just shows you every message on the server, so it'll 
include messages with any label on them, such as the trash label. This 
is handy if you're looking for a message and you don't know where you 
filed it.



I can't answer your other questions since I'm OK with just letting 
Google clean up my messages after 30 days or so.



On 10/21/2017 10:02 PM, Connie Mohney wrote:

I'm writing these questions for a friend.
She has a gMail account. In her important mail folder and her allmail
folder she has messages going in there that she has deleted.  From her in
box folder.  How can she stop those messages that she has deleted from going
into those folders.  The sent messages that she has sent to other people are
also going into those folders. She would prefer that her sent messages just
go into her sent message folder rather than those other folders.  She would
like all mail she has deleted from her in box to be deleted from the server.
She is still in iOS 10 latest version using an iPhone  5 SE and the iPhone
7.  She is a voice over user.  Thank you for your assistance.

Connie



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iTunes questions

2017-10-22 Thread Simon Wong

Hi everyone! How do you get rid of ringtones that are in the iTunes program?
I have some which are not good anymore.
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Braille Displays . . . Again!!!!

2017-10-22 Thread Christine Grassman

Hello all:
At the risk of being another pain in the behind looking for the optimal Braille 
display for my needs, here are my needs:

1. It must be very portable;

2. It will be used for mostly a great deal of reading, and is needed for work 
and personal use;

3. It must work reliably with the iPhone;

4. As a rapid Braille reader, one of the tinier displays simply will not do, 
*yet*, a I cannot imagine that any 40-cell display is truly portable. I have 
never seen a 24- or 32-cell display, and suspect they might be right for me, 
but aside from the Brailliant, I have been unable to find reviews on any 24- or 
32-cell displays.

5. The Actilino looked good, until I read that it only had 16 cells, *ant* that 
updating it would require a Windows machine. On a related note, I cannot find 
any reviews of Basic Braille, though the description looked good.

6. I seriously considered ESYS 24, but it is a little pricier than I want; my 
limit is $2500, and I prefer between $1500 and $2000.
 Also, I heard the ESYS devices require a Windows machine for updating.
7. Can anyone who is an extremely fast Braille reader who uses one of the 
smaller Braille displays please let me know their experiences, good or bad?

8. Does ATC on the Actilino really work, perhaps canceling out the fact that it 
is quite small? Anything sluggish simply is not going to cut it.

9. I have fairly small hands, so ergonomics requires easy access to panning and 
the space bar; I also have had rather nasty tendinitis in my dominant hand from 
using my cane and from too much typing on the iPhone, so I have to take this 
into account. 

10. I have seen the Focus line of displays and do not particularly like them.


11. The Vario Ultra 20 looks pretty good, but I am not sure if it might be too 
small; it would depend on how easy it is to move from line to line, and I have 
seen some reviews which say it is more complicated than some of the others, 
though I realize this is quite subjective.
12 I have seen the lists of supported displays, and cannot find reviews for 
most of them. 
Help! Please! Thanks so much. I need more inconspicuous access to my reading; I 
feel rude having an earphone in my ear when others around me are presenting or 
talking.
Christine

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Regarding deleted texts

2017-10-22 Thread Terri Stimmel

Hello everyone,


I think I already know the answer to my own question. I just want to 
check, to make sure.


The other day I was trying to delete some text messages. I accidentally 
deleted a number, that had texts in it. It wasn't a number I had saved yet.

I can't remember if these were I-messages, or not. But I don't think so.


Anyway, is it possible to get these texts back, or are they gone for good?

Honestly, I don't care so much about the texts, I just really need that 
phone number. I don't remember it. I can not believe I did this!

Anyway, is there anything I can possibly do?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: four finger swipe for moving between apps?

2017-10-22 Thread Anthony Vece

Can someone please tell me how to accomplish this.
I can’t get it to work.



> On Oct 22, 2017, at 6:53 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
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> hi,
> Thanks for the responses, it is now working for me again, after, yet one 
> more, 
> thanks, Sandy reset.
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:10, Godwin Adoyi  > wrote:
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>> It's working here. I use it everyday.
>> 
>> Godwin Adoyi Agada
>> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > >
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:54:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: four finger swipe for moving between apps?
>>  
>> hi,
>> I am using 11.02 and find I can no longer use the four finger swipe to swap 
>> between open apps. has this functionality gone or changed in some way? I 
>> have to use the app switcher instead, which is much more of a bother.
>> 
>> thanks, Sandy
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Re: four finger swipe for moving between apps?

2017-10-22 Thread 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone

hi,
Thanks for the responses, it is now working for me again, after, yet one more, 
thanks, Sandy reset.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:10, Godwin Adoyi  wrote:
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> It's working here. I use it everyday.
> 
> Godwin Adoyi Agada
> From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:54:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: four finger swipe for moving between apps?
>  
> hi,
> I am using 11.02 and find I can no longer use the four finger swipe to swap 
> between open apps. has this functionality gone or changed in some way? I have 
> to use the app switcher instead, which is much more of a bother.
> 
> thanks, Sandy
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Re: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose

2017-10-22 Thread 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone

Sieghard,
Thanks for this endorsement of the app, I shall start using it, properly, 
tomorrow!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

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> I use Whats App all the time (more than Skype now) to chat with friends and 
> relatives in Germany. The app is not as popular here in North America, but is 
> very popular in Germany and I assume other european countries as well as in 
> South America and some asian countries.
> Yes, you can send text messages, voice messages and video messages and you 
> can easily make audio or video calls with individuals and groups although I 
> have currently no use for group calls.
> What I like is that it integrates nicely with your addressbook/contacts, if 
> you have somebody's mobile phone number and they use Whats App you can 
> automatically call them without requesting a Skype name etc.
> I also find the app much user friendlier especially since Skype's latest 
> major update to version 8. 
> The one advantage Skype still has is that I can call regular phone numbers, 
> their subscriptions are very inexpensive and I get 60 minutes a months of 
> calling via my Office 365 subscription.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: how to use WhatsApp for a particular purpose
> 
> hello,
> Somewhat impetuously, I have offered to teach English to various people 
> around the world using WhatsApp. I have used this app for a while now, but, 
> Millie to receive messages and reply to them. I have a list of, say, eight 
> people, with their phone numbers, who wish to avail of my services. Wilde we 
> would be a group, as such, I am thinking that the calls would be on an 
> individual basis. am I right in assuming one can use WhatsApp in the same way 
> that one can use Skype? so, we can chat away as with a normal phone call? 
> would there be any point in me setting up a group? it might be easier to keep 
> tabs of the various calls and people, but not sure about that… in fact, I 
> almost wish I hadn’t volunteered, I don’t really know how to go about this. 
> can anyone give me some tips as to how to organise this via the app?
> 
> thanks in advance, fingers crossed, Sandy
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Re: Why Does Everyone Like iOS Alex so Much?

2017-10-22 Thread Angie Nutt

Hi

My reason for using it is because I like the sound of it, though I do use other 
voices from time to time.

All the best
Angie
> On 20 Oct 2017, at 13:33, K. Scott Carlson  wrote:
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> The subject pretty much says it all. I've tried using his voice a number 
> of times, and it sounds weirdly robotic and muffled to me. Not appealing at 
> all. What is the appeal for people, since it was such a big deal when it was 
> added?
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