Re: Best Password Manager

[Maria Reyes]

I really love 1Password. I tried LastPass and it really wasn't like 1Password. 
So how is Bitwarden different?

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> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Lastpass, 1password, and bitwarden are ones I recommend and which work well.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 1:19 PM christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> Agreed, 1Password all the way for me. I use this in combination with iCloud 
>> keychain since I only have iOS devices and a single macOS computer.
>> 
>> > On 16 Mar 2018, at 17:01, Cristóbal  wrote:
>> >
>> > Using 1password on iPhones, iPads  and Windows machines.
>> > Completely accessible.
>> > -Original Message-
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>> > Subject: Best Password Manager
>> >
>> > What is the most accessible password manager for the iPhone, especially 
>> > one that also works well on PCs?
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iPad Split View and question regarding iPad gesture

[joedinero68]

Good Evening Folks

 

I have 2 quick questions. I am beginning to start to utilize an iPad and
have a couple of hopefully basic and probably dumb questions. I read about a
4 finger tap gesture where on the left and right sides of the screen. What
differentiates this from a 4 finger sweep left and right which I already
know. 

 

Second question is how do you enable split view and have 2 apps run in this
view? I have rarely used my iPad but I just started commuting to work 2
hours each way and may want to use it substantially more. Perhaps a
Bluetooth keyboard is in my immediate future.

 

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Google Lens is now available on iOS, The Verge

[M. Taylor]

Google Lens is now available on iOS
By Thuy Ong

Google is officially rolling out its Lens feature to Apple iOS devices over
the next few weeks. Lens is an on-demand object recognition tool, accessible
through the Google Photos app. When users take a photo of a book or
painting, for example, Lens recognizes it and spits out information telling
you more details about the object. 

Lens works on photos of business cards, books, landmarks and buildings,
paintings in a museum, plants or animals, and flyers and event billboards.
When you use Lens on a photo that has phone numbers or an address, you can
automatically save this information as a contact on your phone, while events
will be added to your calendar.

Starting today and rolling out over the next week, those of you on iOS can
try the preview of Google Lens to quickly take action from a photo or
discover more about the world around you. Make sure you have the latest
version (3.15) of the app.https://goo.gl/u9uz8z 

To access the feature on your iOS device, launch the Google Photos app,
select a photo, then tap on the Google Lens icon. Depending on what the
photo is, you can then check the details Google provides, or take an action.
Google notes that if your web and app activity setting is switched on, your
Google Lens activity will be saved to your Google account. You can delete
any history from your My Activity page at any time. The feature is rolling
out to version 3.15 of the iOS app, so make sure you update.

Lens debuted last October on the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL. Google started
rolling out the feature to all Android phones with Google Photos installed
earlier this month.

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A List Member Would Like to Order the Scan Stand for use with his iPhone, A Question

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone, 

Todd Patkus, a list member, would like to purchase the portable scan stand
for use with his iPhone.

I will paste in the text of his question below my signature.  

As he does not have posting privileges, you may reply to him, directly, at:
tpte...@gmail.com.

Thank you,

Mark

Original Message:

Mark,

I was going to order the scan stand, but, after I accessed to/opened the
link http://fopydo.com/
to order one for my iPhone so I can "read" documents using the KNFB Reader
app, no place where to order it.  Nothing.  No prices anywhere, either.  All
I see is they talk too much about PayPal and tutorials.  Nothing else but
nothing about how to order one.  Not very well-organized.  Their site is
hard to use as it only takes you nowhere for what you want.

Where is the link to order a scan stand?

If you do not know the answer, you can, please, post this for me on ViPhone.

Thank you.

Todd

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Re: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Thanks so much. 
Wondering about the talking atlas app could not find it in the Canadian store. 
Is it still available? Any impressions about it? 

Do any of you use iPad for music input software with say a virtual keyboard for 
writing notes? I use symphony pro 5 and they also have an ipad app. Maybe biger 
screen space for virtual kb could be useful? 

Finally did any of you use the swift playground to learn programing? Supposedly 
it's accessible? 

Thanks so much for all your great feedback. 

Best,

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have the iPad Pro 10.5 inch. I love the split view. I can have say the 
> messages app on the left and Writer on the right so I can copy a message 
> right into Writer without having to take a bunch of steps to get there. Just 
> another’s point of view. I also love the audio but the 8+ has great audio 
> also.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2018, at 1:48 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bigger device tends to work with better or more powerful audio, good for 
>> books and music.   My device is iPad mini, big enough for 
>> me.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Ioana Gandrabur" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
>> Subject: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> I just got an iPad air unexpectedly. Question for you totally blind users:
>> What are your main use scenarios where you prefer using ipad rather than 
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

[Christopher Chaltain]

Note that you can use these keyboards with multiple devices. The key 
caps just give you a familiar look and feel. For example, you can use 
the same keyboard with an iPhone, and Android phone or a Windows PC, 
regardless of whether the keys are modeled after Apple or IBM or Microsoft.



On 03/18/2018 03:19 PM, Arlene wrote:
I understand now, Paul. That's something I didn't know about the lay 
outs of the models of these keyboards, so thanks for explaining this.

Arlene

- Original Message -
*From:* Paul Sandoval 
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2018 2:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

Arlene,

Note that the k810 has the Windows key layout. The K811 is the
Apple layout.

I hope this helps.

Paul Sandoval
Blind Tech Training
720-620-8007
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On Mar 17, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Arlene mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Thanks again, Don. I'll consider the 810. We're also going to do
some looking around at the stores. Walmart has several keyboards
including a nuber of logitech ones.

- Original Message -
*From:* Donald Moore 
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:12 AM
*Subject:* RE: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

I got mine from Amazon.It’s the 810, and if I recall it
wasn’t very expensive either.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Arlene
*Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:19 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

Don, that's great to know that you can pare your phone up to
several keyboards. Where did you buy  these logitech 810
keyboards, and do they have the number keypad? Thanks.

- Original Message -

*From:*Donald Moore 

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com


*Sent:*Thursday, March 15, 2018 10:46 AM

*Subject:*RE: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

You can pare several keyboards to your phone.I have two
Logitech 810s pared to my phone, one by my bed, and one
near my computer that travels with me and the computer
when they go mobile.Works great, and easy to work.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com

[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Arlene
*Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:27 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above

Kimber, This keyboard sounds great in the way that it
could be pared up to 3 devices. It does sound very
sturdy. most of the time we're at home, so the fact that
it's a bit heavy might be okay and we could use it at
home. Would we need sighted assistance to pare it up?
Well we might need help at first with it anyway since
we're not old experts at this yet, but I'm just wondering
if it''s easy enough to do, or if we would need help with
paring it up. This has me thinking too, on one device
could you pare it up with 2 different bluetooth
keyboards, as one you would use at home and one that's
lighter that you could take one you go out? Thank you.

Arlene

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*From:*Kimberly 

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com


*Sent:*Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:08 AM

*Subject:*Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and
above

The logitech K780 is a very good keyboard. It has the
numeric pad and will pair with three devices. It's
rather heavy and is really not designed to be
portable—if that's a consideration for you. But it's
a good keyboard.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

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of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx


On Mar 15, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Arlene
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

What are some of the best bluetooth keyboards? I
 

RE: Using a keyboard with IOS

[David Moore]

Thank you so much for these commands.
I am about to get an iPhone, and I will refer to these instructions a lot.
It is right in my favorite documents in One Drive.
Really appreciate it.
David Moore
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From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

I really appreciate these keyboard instructions.
 
Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: Doc wright 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

Voiceover key commands
QuickNav
General Navigation
 
table with 4 columns and 23 rows
Action
Keystroke (quick nav on)
Keystroke (quick nav off)
Equivalent Gesture 
Toggle quick nav
left arrow * right arrow
left arrow * right arrow
N/A 
Previous element
left arrow
VO + left arrow
flick left 
Next element
right arrow
VO + right arrow
flick right 
Previous element by roter
up arrow
VO + up arrow
flick up 
Next element by roter
down arrow
VO + down arrow
flick down 
Previous roter setting
up arrow * left arrow
N/A
rotate counterclockwise 
Next roter setting
up arrow * right arrow
N/A
rotate clockwise 
Activate selected element
up arrow * down arrow
VO + spacebar
double tap 
Previous text field
shift + tab
shift + tab
N/A 
Next text field
tab
tab
N/A 
Read page from selected item
VO + a
VO + a
2 finger flick down 
Read page from top
VO + b
VO + b
2 finger flick up 
Move to first element
control + up arrow
N/A
4 finger tap near top of screen 
Move to last element
control + down arrow
N/A
4 finger tap near bottom of screen 
Scroll up 1 page
option + up arrow
N/A
3 finger flick down 
Scroll down 1 page
option + down arrow
N/A
3 finger flick up 
Scroll left 1 page
option + left arrow
N/A
3 finger flick right 
Scroll right 1 page
option + right arrow
N/A
3 finger flick left 
Move to status bar
VO + m
VO + m
N/A 
Activate back button
escape
escape
2 finger scrub 
Activate home button
VO + h
VO + h
N/A 
Start/stop current action
VO + -
VO + -
2 finger double tap
table end
 
VoiceOver Controls
 
table with 4 columns and 10 rows
Action
Keystroke (quick nav on)
Keystroke (quick nav off)
Equivalent Gesture 
Previous VO setting
VO + command + left arrow
VO + command + left arrow
N/A 
Next VO setting
VO + command + right arrow
VO + command + right arrow
N/A 
Increment selected VO setting
VO + command + up arrow
VO + command + up arrow
N/A 
Decrement selected VO setting
VO + command + down arrow
VO + command + down arrow
N/A 
Pause/resume speech
control
control
2 finger single tap 
Toggle speech
VO + s
VO + s
3 finger double tap 
Toggle screen curtain
VO + shift + s
VO + shift + s
3 finger triple tap 
VoiceOver help
VO + k
VO + k
four finger double tap
Exit VoiceOver help
escape
escape
four finger double tap 
table end
 
Text Navigation
 
table with 4 columns and 20 rows
Action
Keystroke (quick nav on)
Keystroke (quick nav off)
Equivalent Gesture 
Previous character
N/A
left arrow
N/A 
Next character
N/A
right arrow
N/A 
Previous word
N/A
option + left arrow
N/A 
Next word
N/A
option + right arrow
N/A 
Previous line
N/A
up arrow
N/A 
Next line
N/A
down arrow
N/A 
Start of line
N/A
command + left arrow
N/A 
End of line
N/A
command + right arrow
N/A 
Top of document
N/A
command + up arrow
N/A 
End of document
N/A
command + down arrow
N/A 
Select text
N/A
shift + navigation keystroke(left or right arrow)
N/A 
Select all
N/A
command + a
N/A 
Cut
N/A
command + x
N/A 
Copy
N/A
command + c
N/A 
Paste
N/A
command + v
N/A 
Undo
N/A
command + z
N/A 
Redo
N/A
shift + command + z
N/A 
Previous int. keyboard
N/A
shift + command + spacebar
N/A 
Next int. keyboard
N/A
command + spacebar
N/A
table end
 
Unix-Style Text Navigation
 
table with 4 columns and 8 rows
Action
Keystroke (quick nav on)
Keystroke (quick nav off)
Equivalent Gesture 
Previous character
N/A
control + b
N/A 
Next character
N/A
control + f
N/A 
Start of line
N/A
control + a
N/A 
End of line
N/A
control + e
N/A 
Backspace
N/A
control + h
N/A 
Delete to end of line
N/A
control + k
N/A 
Return (new line)
N/A
control + m
N/A
table end
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: March 17, 2018 04:04 PM
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

I'm sorry, we're really new to all of this, Paul, what is the vo key and where 
would it belocated on the bluetooth keyboard. This list is going to be very 
helpful, to navigate with the keyboard.  right now with the keyboard we have I 
use it to get further down the list under different areas, such as when I went 
into settings for sounds to the ringtones and other  areas of the phone by 
arrowing right. Is the nav key a certain key on the keyboard as well. Learning 
how to go word by word would be great, and character by character to find out 
how to spell a word. Thank you.
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Sandoval 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Using a keyboard with IOS

Joe,

I have this 

Re: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

[Jennie Facer]

Hi all,

I have the iPad Pro 10.5 inch. I love the split view. I can have say the 
messages app on the left and Writer on the right so I can copy a message right 
into Writer without having to take a bunch of steps to get there. Just 
another’s point of view. I also love the audio but the 8+ has great audio also.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Mar 17, 2018, at 1:48 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Bigger device tends to work with better or more powerful audio, good for 
> books and music.   My device is iPad mini, big enough for 
> me.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ioana Gandrabur" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:19 PM
> Subject: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users
> 
> 
> Hi everyone
> I just got an iPad air unexpectedly. Question for you totally blind users:
> What are your main use scenarios where you prefer using ipad rather than 
> iPhone?
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> Thanks for your thoughts,
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> Ioana
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Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

[Arlene]

I really appreciate these keyboard instructions.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Doc wright 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 1:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS


  Voiceover key commands
  QuickNav
  General Navigation

  table with 4 columns and 23 rows
  Action
  Keystroke (quick nav on)
  Keystroke (quick nav off)
  Equivalent Gesture 
  Toggle quick nav
  left arrow * right arrow
  left arrow * right arrow
  N/A 
  Previous element
  left arrow
  VO + left arrow
  flick left 
  Next element
  right arrow
  VO + right arrow
  flick right 
  Previous element by roter
  up arrow
  VO + up arrow
  flick up 
  Next element by roter
  down arrow
  VO + down arrow
  flick down 
  Previous roter setting
  up arrow * left arrow
  N/A
  rotate counterclockwise 
  Next roter setting
  up arrow * right arrow
  N/A
  rotate clockwise 
  Activate selected element
  up arrow * down arrow
  VO + spacebar
  double tap 
  Previous text field
  shift + tab
  shift + tab
  N/A 
  Next text field
  tab
  tab
  N/A 
  Read page from selected item
  VO + a
  VO + a
  2 finger flick down 
  Read page from top
  VO + b
  VO + b
  2 finger flick up 
  Move to first element
  control + up arrow
  N/A
  4 finger tap near top of screen 
  Move to last element
  control + down arrow
  N/A
  4 finger tap near bottom of screen 
  Scroll up 1 page
  option + up arrow
  N/A
  3 finger flick down 
  Scroll down 1 page
  option + down arrow
  N/A
  3 finger flick up 
  Scroll left 1 page
  option + left arrow
  N/A
  3 finger flick right 
  Scroll right 1 page
  option + right arrow
  N/A
  3 finger flick left 
  Move to status bar
  VO + m
  VO + m
  N/A 
  Activate back button
  escape
  escape
  2 finger scrub 
  Activate home button
  VO + h
  VO + h
  N/A 
  Start/stop current action
  VO + -
  VO + -
  2 finger double tap
  table end

  VoiceOver Controls

  table with 4 columns and 10 rows
  Action
  Keystroke (quick nav on)
  Keystroke (quick nav off)
  Equivalent Gesture 
  Previous VO setting
  VO + command + left arrow
  VO + command + left arrow
  N/A 
  Next VO setting
  VO + command + right arrow
  VO + command + right arrow
  N/A 
  Increment selected VO setting
  VO + command + up arrow
  VO + command + up arrow
  N/A 
  Decrement selected VO setting
  VO + command + down arrow
  VO + command + down arrow
  N/A 
  Pause/resume speech
  control
  control
  2 finger single tap 
  Toggle speech
  VO + s
  VO + s
  3 finger double tap 
  Toggle screen curtain
  VO + shift + s
  VO + shift + s
  3 finger triple tap 
  VoiceOver help
  VO + k
  VO + k
  four finger double tap
  Exit VoiceOver help
  escape
  escape
  four finger double tap 
  table end

  Text Navigation

  table with 4 columns and 20 rows
  Action
  Keystroke (quick nav on)
  Keystroke (quick nav off)
  Equivalent Gesture 
  Previous character
  N/A
  left arrow
  N/A 
  Next character
  N/A
  right arrow
  N/A 
  Previous word
  N/A
  option + left arrow
  N/A 
  Next word
  N/A
  option + right arrow
  N/A 
  Previous line
  N/A
  up arrow
  N/A 
  Next line
  N/A
  down arrow
  N/A 
  Start of line
  N/A
  command + left arrow
  N/A 
  End of line
  N/A
  command + right arrow
  N/A 
  Top of document
  N/A
  command + up arrow
  N/A 
  End of document
  N/A
  command + down arrow
  N/A 
  Select text
  N/A
  shift + navigation keystroke(left or right arrow)
  N/A 
  Select all
  N/A
  command + a
  N/A 
  Cut
  N/A
  command + x
  N/A 
  Copy
  N/A
  command + c
  N/A 
  Paste
  N/A
  command + v
  N/A 
  Undo
  N/A
  command + z
  N/A 
  Redo
  N/A
  shift + command + z
  N/A 
  Previous int. keyboard
  N/A
  shift + command + spacebar
  N/A 
  Next int. keyboard
  N/A
  command + spacebar
  N/A
  table end

  Unix-Style Text Navigation

  table with 4 columns and 8 rows
  Action
  Keystroke (quick nav on)
  Keystroke (quick nav off)
  Equivalent Gesture 
  Previous character
  N/A
  control + b
  N/A 
  Next character
  N/A
  control + f
  N/A 
  Start of line
  N/A
  control + a
  N/A 
  End of line
  N/A
  control + e
  N/A 
  Backspace
  N/A
  control + h
  N/A 
  Delete to end of line
  N/A
  control + k
  N/A 
  Return (new line)
  N/A
  control + m
  N/A
  table end

- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: March 17, 2018 04:04 PM
Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS


I'm sorry, we're really new to all of this, Paul, what is the vo key and 
where would it belocated on the bluetooth keyboard. This list is going to be 
very helpful, to navigate with the keyboard.  right now with the keyboard we 
have I use it to get further down the list under different areas, such as when 
I went into settings for sounds to the ringtones and other  areas of the phone 
by arrowing right. Is the nav key a certain key on the keyboard as well. 
Learning how to go word by word would be great, and character by character to 
find out how to spell a

Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

[Arlene]

Thank you, Richard.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Using a keyboard with IOS


  Hi,

  The VO key, is not a key, it is a pair of keys.  It is the Control Plus 
Options key pressed together when you then hit another key.

   

  Richard

   

   

   

   

  “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

  - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:04 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Using a keyboard with IOS

   

  I'm sorry, we're really new to all of this, Paul, what is the vo key and 
where would it belocated on the bluetooth keyboard. This list is going to be 
very helpful, to navigate with the keyboard.  right now with the keyboard we 
have I use it to get further down the list under different areas, such as when 
I went into settings for sounds to the ringtones and other  areas of the phone 
by arrowing right. Is the nav key a certain key on the keyboard as well. 
Learning how to go word by word would be great, and character by character to 
find out how to spell a word. Thank you.

- Original Message - 

From: Paul Sandoval 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:02 AM

Subject: RE: Using a keyboard with IOS

 

Joe,

 

I have this document, hopefully it is helpful. I believe most if not all of 
these keystrokes still work.

 

 

Use VoiceOver keyboard commands to navigate the screen, select items, read 
screen contents, adjust the rotor, and perform other VoiceOver actions. For

the commands, you can use the Control-Option key combination or the Caps 
Lock key, abbreviated in the list that follows as “VO.” (To choose a modifier

key, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Modifier Keys.)

 

You can use VoiceOver Help to learn the keyboard layout and the actions 
associated with various key combinations. VoiceOver Help speaks keys and 
keyboard

commands as you type them, without performing the associated action.

 

VoiceOver keyboard commands

 

VO = Control-Option

list of 25 items

• Turn on VoiceOver Help: VO–K

 

• Turn off VoiceOver Help: Escape

 

• Select the next or previous item: VO–Right Arrow or VO–Left Arrow

 

• Double-tap to activate the selected item: VO–Space bar

 

• Press the Home button: VO–H

 

• Touch and hold the selected item: VO–Shift–M

 

• Move to the status bar: VO–M

 

• Read from the current position: VO–A

 

• Read from the top: VO–B

 

• Pause or resume reading: Control

 

• Copy the last spoken text to the clipboard: VO–Shift–C

 

• Search for text: VO–F

 

• Mute or unmute VoiceOver: VO–S

 

• Open Notification Center: Fn–VO–Up Arrow

 

• Open Control Center: Fn–VO–Down Arrow

 

• Open the Item Chooser: VO–I

 

• Change the label of the selected item: VO–/

 

• Double-tap with two fingers: VO–”-”

 

• Adjust the rotor: Use Quick Nav (see below)

 

• Swipe up or down: VO–Up Arrow or VO–Down Arrow

 

• Adjust the speech rotor: VO–Command–Left Arrow or VO–Command–Right Arrow

 

• Adjust the setting specified by the speech rotor: VO–Command–Up Arrow or 
VO–Command–Down Arrow

 

• Turn the screen curtain on or off: VO–Shift–S

 

• Return to the previous screen: Escape

 

• Switch apps: Command–Tab or Command–Shift–Tab

list end

Quick Nav

 

Turn on Quick Nav to control VoiceOver using the arrow keys.

list of 7 items

• Turn Quick Nav on or off: Left Arrow–Right Arrow

 

• Select the next or previous item: Right Arrow or Left Arrow

 

• Select the next or previous item specified by the rotor: Up Arrow or Down 
Arrow

 

• Select the first or last item: Control–Up Arrow or Control–Down Arrow

 

• Tap an item: Up Arrow–Down Arrow

 

• Scroll up, down, left, or right: Option–Up Arrow, Option–Down Arrow, 
Option–Left Arrow, or Option–Right Arrow

 

• Adjust the rotor: Up Arrow–Left Arrow or Up Arrow–Right Arrow

list end

You can also use the number keys on an Apple Wireless Keyboard to dial a 
phone number in Phone or enter numbers in Calculator.

 

Single-key Quick Nav for web browsing

 

When you view a webpage with Quick Nav on, you can use the following keys 
on the keyboard to navigate the page quickly. Typing the key moves to the next

item of the indicated type. To move to the previous item, hold the Shift 
key as you type the letter.

list of 18 items

• Turn on Single-key Quick Nav: VO-Q

 

• Heading: 

Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above

[Arlene]

I understand now, Paul. That's something I didn't know about the lay outs of 
the models of these keyboards, so thanks for explaining this.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Sandoval 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 2:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above


  Arlene, 


  Note that the k810 has the Windows key layout. The K811 is the Apple layout. 

  I hope this helps.


  Paul Sandoval
  Blind Tech Training
  720-620-8007
  blindtechtrain...@gmail.com


  On Mar 17, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Arlene  wrote:


Thanks again, Don. I'll consider the 810. We're also going to do some 
looking around at the stores. Walmart has several keyboards including a nuber 
of logitech ones.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Donald Moore 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:12 AM
  Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above


  I got mine from Amazon.  It’s the 810, and if I recall it wasn’t very 
expensive either.







  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:19 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above



  Don, that's great to know that you can pare your phone up to several 
keyboards. Where did you buy  these logitech 810 keyboards, and do they have 
the number keypad? Thanks.

- Original Message - 

From: Donald Moore 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 10:46 AM

Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard for iPhone ios10 and above



You can pare several keyboards to your phone.  I have two Logitech 810s 
pared to my phone, one by my bed, and one near my computer that travels with me 
and the computer when they go mobile.  Works great, and easy to work.  







From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above



Kimber, This keyboard sounds great in the way that it could be pared up 
to 3 devices. It does sound very sturdy. most of the time we're at home, so the 
fact that it's a bit heavy might be okay and we could use it at home. Would we 
need sighted assistance to pare it up? Well we might need help at first with it 
anyway since we're not old experts at this yet, but I'm just wondering if it''s 
easy enough to do, or if we would need help with paring it up. This has me 
thinking too, on one device could you pare it up with 2 different bluetooth 
keyboards, as one you would use at home and one that's lighter that you could 
take one you go out? Thank you.



Arlene



  - Original Message - 

  From: Kimberly 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 6:08 AM

  Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above



  The logitech K780 is a very good keyboard. It has the numeric pad and 
will pair with three devices. It's rather heavy and is really not designed to 
be portable—if that's a consideration for you. But it's a good keyboard.

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone 

  The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
that we go on.—Annie Proulx


  On Mar 15, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Arlene  
wrote:

What are some of the best bluetooth keyboards? I called walmart 
tonight to see what they had and they had their brand, they had about 4 models 
of logitech, and a few made by blackwell. Some of those keyboards had the 
number keypad. I don't know if the model of the phone matters but we have the 
iphone se. I wonder how sturdy the foldup keyboards are.

Arlene

- Original Message - From: "Michael Irons" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above







  You could try the folder zag pocket Bluetooth keyboards. I got 
mine through the Verizon phone store.



  Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Joe Paton  
wrote:





Good evening,



looking for a sturdy, folding keyboard to use  with my Iphone 
6s.



I would like keys of a good size for fairly fat fingers, 
reasonable

battery life, utilizing the apple keyboard layout.



I hope I have described these requirements accurately.





Logitech, Icon-x are but two manufacturers that I am aware of, 
doubtless

there are many more including apple themselves.



Your experiences welcome.



Thanks,

Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above

[Paul Sandoval]

Arlene,

No, the num pad  does not matter when using IOS.


> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Paul, thanks for telling me about the logitech 811. This keyboard sounds 
> really great, with the battery life, and since we're mainly at home, we don't 
> necessarily need a keyboard that will fold up. It seems what I'm hearing so 
> far not having a number keypad  included on some of the keyboards, it's not 
> something that's really missing or  isn't as needed as possibly we thought as 
> with the computer. I'm not sure if it does matter.
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Sandoval" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above
> 
> 
> Arlene,
> 
> I think you want the Logitech K811. This keyboard is also switchable between 
> 3 devices, has the Apple layout, and the battery is amazing. I’ve had one for 
> a couple of years, and my wife and I loved it so much we had to get a second 
> one. This keyboard is not foldable, and does not have the numpad. I hope this 
> helps.
> 
> 
> Paul Sandoval
> Blind Tech Training
> 720-620-8007
> blindtechtrain...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Arlene  wrote:
>> 
>> What are some of the best bluetooth keyboards? I called walmart tonight to 
>> see what they had and they had their brand, they had about 4 models of 
>> logitech, and a few made by blackwell. Some of those keyboards had the 
>> number keypad. I don't know if the model of the phone matters but we have 
>> the iphone se. I wonder how sturdy the foldup keyboards are.
>> 
>> Arlene
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Michael Irons" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard for iphone ios10 and above
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> You could try the folder zag pocket Bluetooth keyboards. I got mine through 
>>> the Verizon phone store.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Joe Paton  wrote:
 
 
 Good evening,
 
 looking for a sturdy, folding keyboard to use  with my Iphone 6s.
 
 I would like keys of a good size for fairly fat fingers, reasonable
 battery life, utilizing the apple keyboard layout.
 
 I hope I have described these requirements accurately.
 
 
 Logitech, Icon-x are but two manufacturers that I am aware of, doubtless
 there are many more including apple themselves.
 
 Your experiences welcome.
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 
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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Paul Sandoval]

Sandy,

I prefer the Edge because of the directional keys, they can be used in place of 
single finger flicks. The limited note taking capabilities are very nice, and 
the battery is long-lasting. 
It has not been refreshed, but is a mostly stable device.


> On Mar 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
> do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.
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> Sandy Finley
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Re: Firefox on the Mac.

[John Panarese]

   It is accessible, but there are two specific issues. First, it can be 
sluggish with some sites with VoiceOver. Secondly, the rotor option with VO-u 
and general VO navigation doesn't always seem to register with all sites.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The last time I tried it, it was not accessible. That was several months ago. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 8:01 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not sure if this is the appropriate list to ask this question. If not, 
>> I’m sure someone will nicely or not so nicely inform me smiles! Is anyone 
>> using firefox on the Mac or Mac Air? If so, what are your thoughts? Is one 
>> browser preferred over the other, and if so, why? Please feel free to 
>> respond off list if this is not the appropriate list. Thanks
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RE: Book share an voice dream reader

[Richard Turner]

If you have downloaded a voice in VoiceOver, you can select it from within 
Voice Dream Reader.

The voice siply has to be available on your device.

For example, I have both Tom and Tom Enhanced in the Voice Dream Voices because 
I downloaded Tom Enhanced.
However, I only have one listing for Samantha, because I did not download the 
enhanced voice.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deidre 
Muccio
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 10:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Book share an voice dream reader

Oh, I knew that as far as voiceovers concern. I just wondered if there was an 
option for Samantha enhanced in Voice dream reader. I mostly use book Cher to 
look more closely at a particular text and when I do that I use my regular 
desktop computer with jaws. Other than that it's great that books that I can't 
find elsewhere are often available on bookshare. It's a great service.
Deidre




Deidre

On Mar 17, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
You do not have to buy any VoiceOver voices.
Go into the VoiceOver settings, select speech, and assuming Samantha is your 
default voice, you should find an option after selecting it again to download 
the Enhanced version.
You have to download it before it is available to Voice Dream Reader.

Richard




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Deidre 
Muccio
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Book share an voice dream reader


Richard, That's probably the difference. I didn't see an option for an enhanced 
Samanththa  Maybe I can  by the enhanced voice if that is an option. I fooled 
around with the pitch and the speed and it helped a little but it still sounds 
halted, stilted, you know what I mean. I'll keep working at it.

Deidre


On Mar 17, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I'm not sure if it is the same voice. It is a voice on your iPhone. It is what 
I use for VoiceOver, and it works well when selected in Voice Dream.
I prefer the Enhanced version though it takes more space, but I think its sound 
quality.
Richard



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On Mar 17, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Richard, we have a few questions about the different voices. Is the Tom voice 
the same as Tom that is the voice for newsline, and if he is could you use him 
as a voice on the phone? Thanks.

Arlene

- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Book share an voice dream reader

Are you downloading from within Voice Dream reader? You just want daisy.
Audio will be an mp3 that is done with their synthesizer, which I do not find 
very good.
BRF, is just for braille displays.
You can pick any iOS voice, or purchase any number of other voices.
Open Voice Dream, select settings, select manage voices.
This is assuming you purchased Voice Dream Reader.
If there is a free version, then all bets are off.
Richard




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On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Deidre Muccio 
mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I hope this is not a completely idiotic question and something I should long to 
go have understood.
when I want to download and read bookshare books I see using my iPhone that 
there is a picker item list with different formats for downloading the book. 
one is BRF one is audio one is Daisy with text and one is Daisy with images. It 
says there are eight format choices but that does not appear to be true. The 
question is if I do select audio versus Daisy with text are the fourmats being 
downloaded all the same? Meaning does voice dream reader download everything to 
a particular format?
I ask because I don't like the cheesy voice for reading the books that I'm 
given through voice dream.  I would much prefer to listen

to the books with the regular iOS voice that everything on my phone is spoken 
through. Is there a way to do that? There does not appear to be a way to do 
that. There
is the option to read now in the book opens in Safari and then there's 
something about a particular program that's not accessible with speech and then 
the book is there but there's no way to move through it even tho

Re: Firefox on the Mac.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The last time I tried it, it was not accessible. That was several months ago. 

Greg Wocher

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 8:01 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure if this is the appropriate list to ask this question. If not, 
> I’m sure someone will nicely or not so nicely inform me smiles! Is anyone 
> using firefox on the Mac or Mac Air? If so, what are your thoughts? Is one 
> browser preferred over the other, and if so, why? Please feel free to respond 
> off list if this is not the appropriate list. Thanks
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Re: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

[Arlene]

Hi, Pam, we have an ipad mini, and I've heard containers on there, but 
didn't know what it was for. Thank you.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users


Navigating on the larger screen can be a bit tricky to adjust to, I think.

There will be an additional item on the rotor called containers which seems 
to quickly take you to different areas of the screen.  This can help when 
navigating.  I have found it especially useful when in Settings.  You might 
want to experiment with it, anyway.


Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of 
Richard Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

Hi,
I would only use an iPad for its extra attery life.
I personally don't like having so much screen area to deal with.

I convert Kindle books to use in Voice Dream reader, so I don't have to deal 
with the pauses while pages are changed.


They also do generally have better sound, but I have an external Bluetooth 
speaker or good headphones to use for music and books.


Richard




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ioana 
Gandrabur

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

Hi everyone
I just got an iPad air unexpectedly. Question for you totally blind users:
What are your main use scenarios where you prefer using ipad rather than 
iPhone?


Thanks for your thoughts,

Ioana


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Re: Book share an voice dream reader

[Arlene]

Here's a follow up to my question about the  Tom voice, we switched on the tom 
voice on one of the iphone se phones, and we do like his voice. It doesn't 
sound like the Tom from newsline, though  it sounds very  much like the 
automated voice for dish. So far for apps we have newsline and the xm radio app 
which we'll install both on the other phones. Also amoungst others today we'll 
get seeing ai app. What things does seeing ai do best? Also any other apps to 
get right away to begin with? Thank you.- Original Message - 
  From: Arlene 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Book share an voice dream reader


  Richard, we have a few questions about the different voices. Is the Tom voice 
the same as Tom that is the voice for newsline, and if he is could you use him 
as a voice on the phone? Thanks.

  Arlene

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Book share an voice dream reader


Are you downloading from within Voice Dream reader? You just want daisy.
Audio will be an mp3 that is done with their synthesizer, which I do not 
find very good.
BRF, is just for braille displays.
You can pick any iOS voice, or purchase any number of other voices.
Open Voice Dream, select settings, select manage voices.
This is assuming you purchased Voice Dream Reader.
If there is a free version, then all bets are off.
Richard






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quieter.” 

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On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Deidre Muccio  
wrote:


  I hope this is not a completely idiotic question and something I should 
long to go have understood.  
  when I want to download and read bookshare books I see using my iPhone 
that there is a picker item list with different formats for downloading the 
book. one is BRF one is audio one is Daisy with text and one is Daisy with 
images. It says there are eight format choices but that does not appear to be 
true. The question is if I do select audio versus Daisy with text are the 
fourmats being downloaded all the same? Meaning does voice dream reader 
download everything to a particular format? 
  I ask because I don't like the cheesy voice for reading the books that 
I'm given through voice dream.  I would much prefer to listen

  to the books with the regular iOS voice that everything on my phone is 
spoken through. Is there a way to do that? There does not appear to be a way to 
do that. There
  is the option to read now in the book opens in Safari and then there's 
something about a particular program that's not accessible with speech and then 
the book is there but there's no way to move through it even though there's a 
next and a previous and stop button at the top of the page. I think you can 
swipe line by line but that there's not enough control to make it worthwhile. 
Is there an easy way to do what I'm trying to do? 

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Re: Logitech 480.

[Richard Turner]

Anthony, no, the K480 does not have a number pad, so it is smaller. There is a 
nice carrying case you can buy for around $20 that also holds an iPad for those 
who want to use it with an iPad.
Later,
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Diane

Does this keyboard have a bum pad?
Thanks
God Bless


Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

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I purchased mine at Christmas time and find it to be the best keyboard 
experience I have had in a very long time. I was a medical transcriptionist 
before I retired and have become quite particular about keyboards. I am using 
my Logitech 480 with my iPhone and my Microsoft Surface. Mine cost about $20 
and would probably have been worth the full price. I have tried so many of 
these darned things, and they have been horrible. This one actually works 
effectively with IOS instead of just making do.

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Re: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

[Russ Kiehne]

In my case, I bought a ipad mini for the following reasons:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader stream
booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

Hi,
I would only use an iPad for its extra attery life.
I personally don't like having so much screen area to deal with.

I convert Kindle books to use in Voice Dream reader, so I don't have to deal 
with the pauses while pages are changed.


They also do generally have better sound, but I have an external Bluetooth 
speaker or good headphones to use for music and books.


Richard




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-Original Message-
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Gandrabur

Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Use scenarios for ipad over iPhone for blind users

Hi everyone
I just got an iPad air unexpectedly. Question for you totally blind users:
What are your main use scenarios where you prefer using ipad rather than 
iPhone?


Thanks for your thoughts,

Ioana


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Firefox on the Mac.

[Larry Smith]

I’m not sure if this is the appropriate list to ask this question. If not, I’m 
sure someone will nicely or not so nicely inform me smiles! Is anyone using 
firefox on the Mac or Mac Air? If so, what are your thoughts? Is one browser 
preferred over the other, and if so, why? Please feel free to respond off list 
if this is not the appropriate list. Thanks

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