Switching from Apple music family, back to individual

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


Could someone please tell me how I would switch my Apple music 
subscription back to an individual plan?

Do I have to wait until the day the subscription is supposed to renew? 
Or can I change it before then?


I tried to change it back about a week or so ago. I was told I already 
had a plan. So I am thinking I did something wrong.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: changing the name of my iPhone

[Gordon]

Go to settings, then general and about phone. Flick a couple of times 
and you'll see the name of your iPhone and can tap there to change it.



On 8/2/2018 10:56 PM, Wayne Scott wrote:


How do I change the name of my iPhone? I have an iPhone 8 running the 
latest version of IOS and I use VoiceOver and a braille display. 
Thanks! like

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Re: Latency with using Bluetooth earbuds

[Andy Baracco]

This is common with older or less expensive bluetooth headphones. I recently 
purchased a set of Gentek bluetooth earbuds that look similar to Air pods, but 
cost only $25. The lag is horrible.
However, I have found almost no lag using Plantronics or Aftershokz headsets.

Andy

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  Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:47 PM
  Subject: Latency with using Bluetooth earbuds


  I’m using my first pair of Bluetooth earbuds.  Is it a given that Bluetooth 
earphones will have a slight latency or delay when using touch navigation on 
the phone?  This slight delay makes me really have to slow down moving around 
the screen, especially in apps like Voice Dream where there are several 
controls very close together. If I’m not careful, I end up tapping on the wrong 
button because I was ahead of what I’m hearing.  Is this just the norm when 
using Bluetooth that I need to just get used to or are some Bluetooth devices 
better than others for this issue?  

   

   


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changing the name of my iPhone

[Wayne Scott]

How do I change the name of my iPhone? I have an iPhone 8 running the latest 
version of IOS and I use VoiceOver and a braille display. Thanks! like
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Latency with using Bluetooth earbuds

[R Van Lant]

I'm using my first pair of Bluetooth earbuds.  Is it a given that Bluetooth 
earphones will have a slight latency or delay when using touch navigation on 
the phone?  This slight delay makes me really have to slow down moving around 
the screen, especially in apps like Voice Dream where there are several 
controls very close together. If I'm not careful, I end up tapping on the wrong 
button because I was ahead of what I'm hearing.  Is this just the norm when 
using Bluetooth that I need to just get used to or are some Bluetooth devices 
better than others for this issue?


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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple has their own equivalents of programs like Word, Excel and Powerpoint, 
they are Pages, Numbers and Keynote.
There are, however, iOS apps also for Word, Excel and Powerpoint and they are 
apparently reasonably accessible, but that of course does not mean they are 
efficient to work with compared to the versions on the PC.
It has been my understanding that 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: what to replace a couple devices with

I wonder if iPhones  have any kind of spread sheet app. I'd probably be leary. 
I am so used to the ones my husband has set up for me on my computer. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with

Plus 1 to what you just said Sieghard. The IPhone is good for somethings, but I 
still love having my computers for many things.

On 8/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Reggie,
>
> Whether you can get buy with only an iPhone you should know and it 
> almost sounds like you already answered it since you said you never 
> use your Mac Mini.
> I personally don't think an iPad will give you that much more in terms 
> of useability, definitely it would for a sighted person or somebpdy 
> with partial vision which is still useful.
> An Apple Watch is primarily designed to be a health/fitness device, 
> yes it gives you notifications and you can even make phone calls with 
> it, sent a brief, already provided answer to a text message or use it 
> for Apple pay, but I doubt you would find yourself trying to send 
> lengthy messages and so on. If you have home automation devices it can also 
> be useful.
> For me personally a PC is essential, for one thing I have my retail 
> business and need to use Excel on a daily bases as well as my 
> Windows-based point of sale software, but I know even if I were 
> retired and would primarily do web browsing, emails and so on I would 
> not want to miss a PC. I have been using an iPhone for almost 10 years 
> now and consider myself a fairly advanced user, I love how easy it is 
> to do certain things with certain apps like Sonos for example, maybe 
> quickly check my bank balance or the weather etc., but I can't stand 
> the inefficiency of composing any sort of longer text whether it's an 
> email, writing a long note, a letter and so on let alone trying to use 
> a spreadsheet which many of us find useful even for personal 
> applications. Yes, I can use a bluetooth keyboard, but if I use a 
> keyboard why on earth would I not want to use a laptop or desktop with 
> Windows and Jaws where writing and editing text is so so easy. Also, I 
> can almost guaranty that I would leave very profficient iOS users in 
> the dust when it comes to web browsing, maybe filling out some online form, 
> doing my online banking etc.'
> If you have time and you don't mind the inefficiency and if it doesn't 
> drive you nuts then maybe an iPhone is OK, but there is a reason why 
> people like myself, Jonathan Mosen and many others who work or want to 
> be efficient and fast use a computer. I have not touched on the issue 
> of costand I'm sure somebody will point out how expensive Jaws is and 
> all that. Yes, if you have to buy it for the first time it is 
> expensive, but if you own it and have kept it up-to-date then I don't 
> consider $120 every two years for a software maintenance agreement 
> expensive, it is $5/month and if it is not money you want to spend 
> then you can always learn/use NVDA. Apparently Narrator is also 
> getting another big boost with the Windows 10 fall update and it is 
> quickly becoming a viable option for a basic user just as Voiceover is 
> on the Mac, all you have to do is press Control+Windows Key+Enter and it 
> starts up.
> Ultimately everybody has to choose what works for them and while 
> asking what you asked is totally OK and it will result in different 
> people giving you different opinions you are in the end the best judge of 
> what works for you.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: what to replace a couple devices with
>
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never 
> a computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it.
> if I decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If 
> another computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone 
> should I consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? T

Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

[regina alvarado]

I know we are not supposed to send thanks to the list, but Kindle reading made 
me crazy so I will say thanks for saving my sanity by telling me how to refresh 
app store. Thanks too to Kindle for fixing.
On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:20 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Reggie,
 
With focus on the Updates button in the Apps Store bottomline menu, go to the 
top of the listed applications and do a 3 finger swipe down to refresh the 
list. This used to happen automatically but a few iOS versions back it stopped 
refreshing automatically so you have to do this 3 finger swipe refresh.
 
Alan Lemly
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kindle app is fixed!!
 
Mary, how do I refresh the App Store? I didn’t get the Kindle upgrade. I would 
like to get it as it is driving me crazy. Should I have gotten it? Maybe they 
put it out for different areas on different days?
On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:

Hi,
What was wrong with it?
 
I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.
 
Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.
 
Can anyone help with that?
 
Thanks,
Jessica
 

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as you 
described. Yay!
Mary

 
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:

Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. The 
version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description of the 
accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've tried a number 
of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and rejoyce!
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Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

['Rebecca Ilniski' via VIPhone]

Well the pauses invoice over might be fixed the braille is messed up again. 
It's not going to the next page again. I think I'm glad I cccvert my Kindle 
books because voice dream at least works consistently.   
On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi Reggie,
If you open the App Store on your phone, and then go to the top after it says 
update all, and do a three finger swipe down, that should put you in business. 
I’m not sure where the actual top limit is. So if that doesn’t work, mess 
around in there, and you’ll get it. Somebody else will probably come along with 
the exact instructions. But the three finger swipe down from the top, not the 
one that brings up the screen where you have airplane mode at Cetera, but below 
that, that’s what you want.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:04 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> Mary, how do I refresh the App Store? I didn’t get the Kindle upgrade. I 
> would like to get it as it is driving me crazy. Should I have gotten it? 
> Maybe they put it out for different areas on different days?
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What was wrong with it?
> 
> I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.
> 
> Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.
> 
> Can anyone help with that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
>> whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as 
>> you described. Yay!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. 
>>> The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description 
>>> of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've 
>>> tried a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and 
>>> rejoyce!
>>> -- 
>>> Michael Feir
>>> Twitter: mfeir
>>> Skype: michael-feir
>>> Check out my blog at:
>>> http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
>>> Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
>>> Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
>>> Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
>>> Www.ami.ca/kellyco
>>> 
>>> Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
>>> 2015
>>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0
>>> 
>>> Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
>>> www.peelmc.ca
>>> 2014
>>> 
>>> Disability advocate
>>> Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
>>> www.meadowvalecrc.ca
>>> 2013--2014
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Volunteer at The Dam
>>> http://www.thedam.org 
>>> 2011-2013
>>> Author of Personal Power:
>>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>>> 2006-2008
>>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A Life of Word and Sound
>>> 2003-2007
>>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Richard Turner]

Peggy,
If the phone is locked, the two finger double tap will do nothing until it is 
in that in between state where you've started to unlock the phone and there is 
several things on the screen, like the media controls, etc.
And if you wait a minute or less, it will just lock again.
It is a little hard to describe, but when the phone is locked, the screen 
touches do nothing, when you first hit the lock button again or press the home 
button again, the screen will respond to touches.
HTH,
Richard



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On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’m sorry, but I cannot read reproduce this bug. If I start playing a book in 
Voice Dream, then I hit the side button on my phone to lock the screen, and 
then I hit the side button again to show me the lock screen, the button on the 
screen says ponds. It should say that, since the book is still playing. So I 
double tap the pause button, and the reading stops and the button says play. I 
open voice dream, and with in the app, that also says play. I’m just not seeing 
this problem. Like I say, I don’t know about headphones. But I can’t blame 
Winston for asking you to quit reporting something if he can’t duplicate it. I 
mean after all, developers can’t fix it if they can’t duplicate it. It is very 
frustrating. I have had to build my library over again a couple of times with 
voice dream bugs. But this one I simply cannot reproduce.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:23 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The button appears this way when I pause from the lock screen or with a button 
on headphones.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK, I did the following. Open Voice Dream. Selected a book and hit the play 
button. I let it read for sometime, less than a minute. I hit the pause button. 
The screen which was not the lock screen, but the regular vdr screen, said 
play, which is what it should say if the thing is paused. I then hit the side 
button on my phone to lock the screen and opened it again with the same button. 
So here I am on the lock screen, and I’m not seeing any button, not clay not 
pause not anything. But if I double tap with two fingers, voice dream starts 
reading, which is what I expected to do. So what lock screen are you referring 
to where you see a button that should be play but is labeled pause. I’m just 
not seeing that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:



SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, the 
button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston said he 
could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. from my 
iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about voice 
dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery drain. 
And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that there was a 
go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future itself is buggy 
so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like Winston to not want 
bugs report it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he has 
no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally disappeared 
from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to fully pause even 
when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as if,VDR is playing 
when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all of these things make 
it more frustrating.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N. 
mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not see 
all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had not 
used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree Book 
in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the last 
one I put in.
Marie


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into 

RE: Kindle app is fixed!!

[Alan Lemly]

Reggie,

 

With focus on the Updates button in the Apps Store bottomline menu, go to the 
top of the listed applications and do a 3 finger swipe down to refresh the 
list. This used to happen automatically but a few iOS versions back it stopped 
refreshing automatically so you have to do this 3 finger swipe refresh.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

 

Mary, how do I refresh the App Store? I didn’t get the Kindle upgrade. I would 
like to get it as it is driving me crazy. Should I have gotten it? Maybe they 
put it out for different areas on different days?
On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:

Hi,

What was wrong with it?

 

I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.

 

Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.

 

Can anyone help with that?

 

Thanks,

Jessica

 

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as you 
described. Yay!
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:

Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. The 
version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description of the 
accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've tried a number 
of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and rejoyce!

-- 

Michael Feir
Twitter: mfeir
Skype: michael-feir
Check out my blog at:
http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca


Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
Www.ami.ca/kellyco

Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
2015
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0

Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
www.peelmc.ca
2014

Disability advocate
Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
www.meadowvalecrc.ca
2013--2014


Volunteer at The Dam
http://www.thedam.org 
2011-2013
Author of Personal Power:
How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
2006-2008
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html


A Life of Word and Sound
2003-2007
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html


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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[regina alvarado]

Thanks Sieghard for your help. I copied it. Guess I better go and check that 
there’s a space between enough and two. Maybe it was a typo in the original. 
Again, thanks

Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

Well to be honest, I wasn't aware of these form factors. To be more precise, I 
doubt Mini PCs are available for purchase in Croatia. I saw some Windows Boxes 
similar to Minix but the hardware inside those are not so fast as on usual 
desktop. Since the work is done and I already have this PC runjning I'll be 
more careful when the time for change comes. At least I managed to choose 
specific motherboard, RAM and SSD so it works like a charm, 20 seconds from 
pushing the button to desktop, another 20 seconds for Jaws to speak, this is 
really great for Windows PC. But, we're getting off topic here so thanks for 
the tip for Mini PCs.
S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić
2.8.2018. u 18:31, Sieghard Weitzel je napisao/la:
> Just one comment regarding PC form factors. You mentioned you found a 
> horizontal desktop case and I mention this in case Reggie might consider a PC 
> again. You can get so-called mini PC's from a number of manufacturers, Intel, 
> Asus, HP are just some. These are basically desktops which you can get with 
> full I3, I5 or I7 desktop processors, most support at least 16 and more often 
> 32Gb of RAM and they have room for 1 or 2 SSD's. They are the size of a Mac 
> Mini or in some cases maybe just a tiny bit larger, but still very small more 
> or less square boxes with HDMI and/or DVI monitor outputs, usually 4 rear USB 
> and two front, of course RJ45 ethernet as well as wireless and bluetooth 
> modems and a 3.5mm combination headphone/microphone jack. In the case of the 
> HP EliteDesk mini PC's they even have very basic built-in speakers, but they 
> are not very loud. Some of these like the Intel NUC (it stands for next unit 
> of computing) come with wall-mount brackets and I really like these little 
> PC's, they are as powerful as you want them to be and they are small and 
> silent. Sometimes when the fan really kicks in on my HP units you can hear 
> it, but not usually.
> Here in Canada these sell for usually around $600 to $900 depending on how 
> much RAM, how large anSSD and so on. You can buy cheaper desktops and laptops 
> in the price range, but if you want a quality desktop in a very small form 
> factor then these are great.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordan 
> Radic
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with
> 
> Hi, there!
> 
> Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
> here's my point of view.
> 
> First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
> got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.
> 
> I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
> overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to 
> use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP 
> telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to 
> music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as 
> alarm clock xD.
> 
> I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
> iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to 
> do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails 
> or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is 
> easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty 
> much bounded if I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.
> 
> For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
> passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
> connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, 
> it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced 
> it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I 
> found horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. 
> Now I have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through 
> HDMI and TV speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.
> 
> I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from 
> iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it 
> was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a 
> keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later 

Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

[Mary Otten]

Hi Reggie,
If you open the App Store on your phone, and then go to the top after it says 
update all, and do a three finger swipe down, that should put you in business. 
I’m not sure where the actual top limit is. So if that doesn’t work, mess 
around in there, and you’ll get it. Somebody else will probably come along with 
the exact instructions. But the three finger swipe down from the top, not the 
one that brings up the screen where you have airplane mode at Cetera, but below 
that, that’s what you want.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:04 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> Mary, how do I refresh the App Store? I didn’t get the Kindle upgrade. I 
> would like to get it as it is driving me crazy. Should I have gotten it? 
> Maybe they put it out for different areas on different days?
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What was wrong with it?
> 
> I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.
> 
> Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.
> 
> Can anyone help with that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jessica
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
>> whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as 
>> you described. Yay!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. 
>>> The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description 
>>> of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've 
>>> tried a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and 
>>> rejoyce!
>>> -- 
>>> Michael Feir
>>> Twitter: mfeir
>>> Skype: michael-feir
>>> Check out my blog at:
>>> http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
>>> Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
>>> Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
>>> Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
>>> Www.ami.ca/kellyco
>>> 
>>> Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
>>> 2015
>>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0
>>> 
>>> Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
>>> www.peelmc.ca
>>> 2014
>>> 
>>> Disability advocate
>>> Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
>>> www.meadowvalecrc.ca
>>> 2013--2014
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Volunteer at The Dam
>>> http://www.thedam.org 
>>> 2011-2013
>>> Author of Personal Power:
>>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>>> 2006-2008
>>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A Life of Word and Sound
>>> 2003-2007
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>>> 
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Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

[regina alvarado]

Mary, how do I refresh the App Store? I didn’t get the Kindle upgrade. I would 
like to get it as it is driving me crazy. Should I have gotten it? Maybe they 
put it out for different areas on different days?
On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jessica Dail  wrote:

Hi,
What was wrong with it?

I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.

Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.

Can anyone help with that?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
> whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as 
> you described. Yay!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. 
>> The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description 
>> of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've 
>> tried a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and 
>> rejoyce!
>> -- 
>> Michael Feir
>> Twitter: mfeir
>> Skype: michael-feir
>> Check out my blog at:
>> http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca
>> 
>> 
>> Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
>> Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
>> Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
>> Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
>> Www.ami.ca/kellyco
>> 
>> Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
>> 2015
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0
>> 
>> Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
>> www.peelmc.ca
>> 2014
>> 
>> Disability advocate
>> Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
>> www.meadowvalecrc.ca
>> 2013--2014
>> 
>> 
>> Volunteer at The Dam
>> http://www.thedam.org 
>> 2011-2013
>> Author of Personal Power:
>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>> 2006-2008
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html
>> 
>> 
>> A Life of Word and Sound
>> 2003-2007
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html
>> 
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Mary Otten]

I’m sorry, but I cannot read reproduce this bug. If I start playing a book in 
Voice Dream, then I hit the side button on my phone to lock the screen, and 
then I hit the side button again to show me the lock screen, the button on the 
screen says ponds. It should say that, since the book is still playing. So I 
double tap the pause button, and the reading stops and the button says play. I 
open voice dream, and with in the app, that also says play. I’m just not seeing 
this problem. Like I say, I don’t know about headphones. But I can’t blame 
Winston for asking you to quit reporting something if he can’t duplicate it. I 
mean after all, developers can’t fix it if they can’t duplicate it. It is very 
frustrating. I have had to build my library over again a couple of times with 
voice dream bugs. But this one I simply cannot reproduce.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> The button appears this way when I pause from the lock screen or with a 
> button on headphones.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I did the following. Open Voice Dream. Selected a book and hit the play 
>> button. I let it read for sometime, less than a minute. I hit the pause 
>> button. The screen which was not the lock screen, but the regular vdr 
>> screen, said play, which is what it should say if the thing is paused. I 
>> then hit the side button on my phone to lock the screen and opened it again 
>> with the same button. So here I am on the lock screen, and I’m not seeing 
>> any button, not clay not pause not anything. But if I double tap with two 
>> fingers, voice dream starts reading, which is what I expected to do. So what 
>> lock screen are you referring to where you see a button that should be play 
>> but is labeled pause. I’m just not seeing that.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, 
>>> the button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston 
>>> said he could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with 
>>> reports. from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about 
 voice dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any 
 battery drain. And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never 
 noticed that there was a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? 
 Maybe the future itself is buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This 
 seems very on like Winston to not want bugs report it.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said 
> he has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
> disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
> fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act 
> as if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. 
> So all of these things make it more frustrating.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does 
>> not see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to 
>> time. I had not used the app for some time and just began using it again 
>> and I put tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows 
>> up in VDR and it is the last one I put in.
>> Marie
>>  
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>  
>> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no 
>> one else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
>> Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
>> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
>> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many 
>> of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, 
>> charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in 
>> one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>>> reporting too many.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[pegkane52]

Hi I don’t notice an issue with Dropbox but I do know that when I start playing 
a document that is in Voice Dream if I lock my screen on this using the side 
button it still continues to play but if I double tap using two fingers it does 
not cause until I tap my home button and then I can get the document to Paul 
was not sure if I’m confused or what’s going on I don’t even see a setting for 
locked screen is there somewhere to look for that setting?
Thanks very much.


Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:23 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> The button appears this way when I pause from the lock screen or with a 
> button on headphones.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I did the following. Open Voice Dream. Selected a book and hit the play 
>> button. I let it read for sometime, less than a minute. I hit the pause 
>> button. The screen which was not the lock screen, but the regular vdr 
>> screen, said play, which is what it should say if the thing is paused. I 
>> then hit the side button on my phone to lock the screen and opened it again 
>> with the same button. So here I am on the lock screen, and I’m not seeing 
>> any button, not clay not pause not anything. But if I double tap with two 
>> fingers, voice dream starts reading, which is what I expected to do. So what 
>> lock screen are you referring to where you see a button that should be play 
>> but is labeled pause. I’m just not seeing that.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, 
>>> the button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston 
>>> said he could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with 
>>> reports. from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about 
 voice dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any 
 battery drain. And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never 
 noticed that there was a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? 
 Maybe the future itself is buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This 
 seems very on like Winston to not want bugs report it.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said 
> he has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
> disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
> fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act 
> as if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. 
> So all of these things make it more frustrating.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does 
>> not see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to 
>> time. I had not used the app for some time and just began using it again 
>> and I put tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows 
>> up in VDR and it is the last one I put in.
>> Marie
>>  
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>  
>> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no 
>> one else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
>> Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
>> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
>> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many 
>> of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, 
>> charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in 
>> one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>>> reporting too many.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 
 Kelby,
 
  
 
 Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
 Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the 
 past so I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is 
 

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

The button appears this way when I pause from the lock screen or with a button 
on headphones.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, I did the following. Open Voice Dream. Selected a book and hit the play 
> button. I let it read for sometime, less than a minute. I hit the pause 
> button. The screen which was not the lock screen, but the regular vdr screen, 
> said play, which is what it should say if the thing is paused. I then hit the 
> side button on my phone to lock the screen and opened it again with the same 
> button. So here I am on the lock screen, and I’m not seeing any button, not 
> clay not pause not anything. But if I double tap with two fingers, voice 
> dream starts reading, which is what I expected to do. So what lock screen are 
> you referring to where you see a button that should be play but is labeled 
> pause. I’m just not seeing that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, 
>> the button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston 
>> said he could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. 
>> from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about 
>>> voice dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery 
>>> drain. And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that 
>>> there was a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future 
>>> itself is buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like 
>>> Winston to not want bugs report it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 
 There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said 
 he has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
 disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
 fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as 
 if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So 
 all of these things make it more frustrating.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
> 
> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does 
> not see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. 
> I had not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I 
> put tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in 
> VDR and it is the last one I put in.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>  
> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
> else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
> Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many 
> of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, 
> charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in 
> one little corner of the earth all  one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
> 
>  
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>> reporting too many.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kelby,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
>>> Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the 
>>> past so I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is 
>>> working fine with Voice Dream Reader.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings 
>>> and turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believ

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Mary Otten]

OK, I did the following. Open Voice Dream. Selected a book and hit the play 
button. I let it read for sometime, less than a minute. I hit the pause button. 
The screen which was not the lock screen, but the regular vdr screen, said 
play, which is what it should say if the thing is paused. I then hit the side 
button on my phone to lock the screen and opened it again with the same button. 
So here I am on the lock screen, and I’m not seeing any button, not clay not 
pause not anything. But if I double tap with two fingers, voice dream starts 
reading, which is what I expected to do. So what lock screen are you referring 
to where you see a button that should be play but is labeled pause. I’m just 
not seeing that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, 
> the button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston said 
> he could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. from 
> my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about voice 
>> dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery drain. 
>> And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that there 
>> was a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future itself 
>> is buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like Winston 
>> to not want bugs report it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he 
>>> has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
>>> disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
>>> fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as 
>>> if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all 
>>> of these things make it more frustrating.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
 
 I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not 
 see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I 
 had not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put 
 tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and 
 it is the last one I put in.
 Marie
  
  
 From: Richard Turner
 Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
  
 So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
 else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
 Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
 I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
 My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
 Richard
 
 
 "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
 our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
 views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
 corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
 
  
 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
> reporting too many.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
>> Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the 
>> past so I've never  turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is 
>> working fine with Voice Dream Reader.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings 
>> and turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
>> To: VIPhone
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. 
>> i've tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
>> 
>> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
>> 
>> Did this just start? I've found 

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

I have no idea what the problem could be. I've uninstalled and reinstalled VDR. 
I have checked the battery settings and it is definitely VDR draining the 
battery. As long as I actually close the app with the app switcher it doesn't 
happen, but that's the only workaround.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I am with Mary on this one. yr second bug has absolutely never been an issue 
> for me.  The battery doesn't hardly drain anyway if a phone is locked and 
> still playing.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner 
> of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, 
>> the button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston 
>> said he could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. 
>> from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>> For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about 
>>> voice dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery 
>>> drain. And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that 
>>> there was a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future 
>>> itself is buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like 
>>> Winston to not want bugs report it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
 There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said 
 he has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
 disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
 fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as 
 if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So 
 all of these things make it more frustrating.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
 
> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does 
> not see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. 
> I had not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I 
> put tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in 
> VDR and it is the last one I put in.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>  
> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
> else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
> Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many 
> of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, 
> charitable views of men  and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in 
> one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
> 
>  
> 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>> reporting too many.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>>> Kelby,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
>>> Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the 
>>> past so I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is 
>>> working fine with Voice Dream Reader.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings 
>>> and turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. 
>>> i've tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Richard Turner]

I am with Mary on this one. yr second bug has absolutely never been an issue 
for me.  The battery doesn't hardly drain anyway if a phone is locked and still 
playing.
Richard



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain



On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:22 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:



SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, the 
button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston said he 
could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. from my 
iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about voice 
dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery drain. 
And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that there was a 
go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future itself is buggy 
so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like Winston to not want 
bugs report it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he has 
no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally disappeared 
from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to fully pause even 
when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as if,VDR is playing 
when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all of these things make 
it more frustrating.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N. 
mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not see 
all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had not 
used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree Book 
in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the last 
one I put in.
Marie


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
Richard



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Kelby,

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelbycarl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.
I hope someone has a solution for you.
Richard


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and

Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

SentLike I said, the speech does stop. But if you look on the lock screen, the 
button says "pause" as if the app is still playing. And yes, Winston said he 
could not replicate the bug and to stop contacting him with reports. from my 
iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about voice 
> dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery drain. 
> And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that there was 
> a go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future itself is 
> buggy so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like Winston to 
> not want bugs report it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he 
>> has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
>> disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
>> fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as 
>> if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all 
>> of these things make it more frustrating.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not 
>>> see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had 
>>> not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put 
>>> tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and 
>>> it is the last one I put in.
>>> Marie
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>>  
>>> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
>>> else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in 
>>> Dropbox that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
>>> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
>>> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
>>> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
>>> corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 
 There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
 months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
 reporting too many.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Kelby,
> 
>  
> 
> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
> Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the 
> past so I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is 
> working fine with Voice Dream Reader.
> 
>  
> 
> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings 
> and turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
> 
>  
> 
> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
> 
>  
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
>  
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
> 
>  
> 
> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
> tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
> 
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
> 
> Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, 
> it just works.
> 
> I hope someone has a solution for you.
> 
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many 
> of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, 
> charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in 
> one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with 
> adding files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders 
> in Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to 
> Dropbox as they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried 
> uninstalling and reinstalling VDR yet because my library is bi

RE: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

[Richard Petty]

That's great! Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Denny Schwab
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

The one-time watering screen works fine for me.  As I said, the only
issue I found was the selection of zones when setting up a schedule.
Other than that I would put the application down as fully accessible.

Another item of note is that the developer has been very good at
accepting accessibility suggestions and is fairly willing to work at
making updates that are needed.

Denny

On 8/2/18, Richard Petty  wrote:
> That's very helpful. In Bill Holton's review, he noted, "There's also a
> one-time watering screen. Unfortunately, the  timer dial control is
> completely inaccessible both on the iOS and the Android app." Have you
> encountered this problem? I wonder if that problem might have been solved by
> the developer.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Denny Schwab
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>
> I use the Rachio app and find it very accessible.  The only real issue
> I have is that it does not tell you if something is selected or not,
> for instance when you are trying to select which of the zones are
> going to be watered on a given schedule.  It is easy enough to work
> around that though, since you can get the list of zones currently
> selected when you have the schedule fully created, then just go in and
> edit it by tapping on the zones you don't want included in that list.
>
> Denny
>
> On 8/1/18, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> Try sky drop.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Petty
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>>
>>
>>
>> There have been earlier threads on this here. Some here noted the Rachio
>> app. As my sprinklers started off schedule at 3:00 AM this morning, I
>> began
>> to wonder what options I might have for an accessible controller app,
>> this
>> instead of paying for yet another service call.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Holton did a nice review of the Rachio  app in the August 2017 issue
>> of
>> Access World: “An Accessibility Check of the Rachio Smart Wi-Fi
>> Sprinkler.”
>> He noted one significant inaccessible feature; the timer was set with an
>> inaccessible graphically generated dial, but he offered a workaround. He
>> also noted the Rainmachine Smart Sprinkler could be useful, writing, “I
>> have
>> not tested this device, but the app seems even more  accessible than the
>> Rachio. All of the buttons have been labelled, and a company  support
>> technician assures me that the developers used only standard app
>> controls.”
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if anyone on the list uses these or other apps successfully. I
>> will
>> appreciate any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Petty
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Tom Rash
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Accessible sprinkler timer
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions on any lawn sprinkler timers that are accessible to set
>> and
>> control with the iPhone?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Mary Otten]

For whatever it might be worth, I cannot confirm your second bug about voice 
dream not stopping when you hit pause. I have not noticed any battery drain. 
And since I never use page navigation, I guess I never noticed that there was a 
go to page button. Maybe it didn’t work well? Maybe the future itself is buggy 
so they stopped it? I don’t know. This seems very on like Winston to not want 
bugs report it.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:14 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he 
> has no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally 
> disappeared from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to 
> fully pause even when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as 
> if,VDR is playing when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all 
> of these things make it more frustrating.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not 
>> see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had 
>> not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put 
>> tthree Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and 
>> it is the last one I put in.
>> Marie
>>  
>>  
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>  
>> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
>> else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox 
>> that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
>> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
>> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
>> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
>> corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>>> reporting too many.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 
 Kelby,
 
  
 
 Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice 
 Dream settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past 
 so I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working 
 fine with Voice Dream Reader.
 
  
 
 Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
 turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
 
  
 
 I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
 
  
 
 Alan Lemly
 
  
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
 To: VIPhone
 Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
 
  
 
 I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
 tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
 
 On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
 
 I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
 
 Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, 
 it just works.
 
 I hope someone has a solution for you.
 
 Richard
 
  
 
 "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
 our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
 views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
 corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
  
 
  
 
 On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
 
 Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it'san issue with 
 adding files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders 
 in Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to 
 Dropbox as they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried 
 uninstalling and reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd 
 rather not restore it, but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.
 
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Richard Turner]

Well, perhaps you oalso should write the developer. But I'd make sure the files 
have completely loaded on Dropbox first.
I've had times when it took a while for the file to sync after copying it to 
dropbox on my computer before it was available to VDR. And no, I'm not using 
the cloud sync in VDR, I'm talking only about Dropbox syncing.
I just went through all my dropbox folders from VDR, and on Dropbox, and 
everything is there.

I hope you can sort out the issue.
Richard



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain



On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Marie N. 
mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not see 
all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had not 
used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree Book 
in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the last 
one I put in.
Marie


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
Richard



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Kelby,

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelbycarl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.
I hope someone has a solution for you.
Richard


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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RE: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[llumpkin]

The developer’s behavior surprises me very much. Up till now, he has been more 
than willing to address issues we found.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 8:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he has 
no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally disappeared 
from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to fully pause even 
when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as if,VDR is playing 
when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all of these things make 
it more frustrating.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N. mailto:scribbl...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not see 
all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had not 
used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree Book 
in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the last 
one I put in.

Marie

 

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders? 

I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?

My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.

Richard

 

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain





 


On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Kelby,

 

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

 

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

 

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:

I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR. 

Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.

I hope someone has a solution for you.

Richard

 

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain

 

 


On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson mailto:kelbyc...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

There are two other notable bugs I have reported that he has openly said he has 
no intention of fixing. First, the "go to page" button has totally disappeared 
from any book with page navigation. Second, VDR seems not to fully pause even 
when playback is stopped. This causes the phone to act as if,VDR is playing 
when it is not, which severely drains the battery. So all of these things make 
it more frustrating.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Marie N.  wrote:
> 
> I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not 
> see all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had 
> not used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree 
> Book in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the 
> last one I put in.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>  
> So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one 
> else chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox 
> that is preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
> I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
> My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner 
> of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
> 
>  
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
>> months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was 
>> reporting too many.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kelby,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
>>> settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so 
>>> I've never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine 
>>> with Voice Dream Reader.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
>>> turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
>>> To: VIPhone
>>> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
>>> tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
>>> 
>>> Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, 
>>> it just works.
>>> 
>>> I hope someone has a solution for you.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
>>> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
>>> corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
>>> files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in 
>>> Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as 
>>> they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling 
>>> and reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not 
>>> restore it, but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.
>>> 
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Marie N.]

I have been having a very similar issue with VDR and Drop box. It does not see 
all the content on Drop Box and it even varies from time to time. I had not 
used the app for some time and just began using it again and I put tthree Book 
in the Zip format on Drop box and only one shows up in VDR and it is the last 
one I put in.
Marie


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders? 
I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
Richard



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain






On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:


  There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two 
months. The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting 
too many.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Kelby,

 

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

 

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

 

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:

I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR. 

Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, 
it just works.

I hope someone has a solution for you.

Richard

 

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views 
of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain

 

 


On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:

  Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with 
adding files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in 
Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as 
they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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RE: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[llumpkin]

I’m sorry, but if you paid his price, you’re entitled to submit as many bug 
reports as you want and he can get over it.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Kelby,

 

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

 

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

 

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

 

Alan Lemly

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:

I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR. 

Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.

I hope someone has a solution for you.

Richard

 

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain

 

 


On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:

Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Richard Turner]

So far, no one else is having that issue. If in the next few days, no one else 
chimes in, then perhaps it isn't a bug in VDR, but something in Dropbox that is 
preventing VDR from seeing those folders?
I don't know. Is there Dropbox support that you could contact?
My primary reading app is VDR, and I've not run into any bugs.
Richard



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people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
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On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:10 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kelby,

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelbycarl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.
I hope someone has a solution for you.
Richard


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain




On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

There are a bunch of other bugs that have cropped up over the last two months. 
The developer told me not to contact him again because I was reporting too many.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Kelby,
>  
> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
> settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
> never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with 
> Voice Dream Reader.
>  
> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
> turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>  
> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kelbycarl...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>  
> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
> tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
> 
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
> Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
> just works.
> I hope someone has a solution for you.
> Richard
>  
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner 
> of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>  
>  
> 
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
> files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
> don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
> up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
> reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
> but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.
> 
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelby carlson]

Yes, I have tried this. I have also tried disconnecting Dropbox from VDR 
completely.

I know it is a VDR issue because my Dropbox displays everything, and VDR only 
finds a few of the main folders.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Kelby,
>  
> Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
> settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
> never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with 
> Voice Dream Reader.
>  
> Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
> turning Dropbox off and then back on again?
>  
> I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kelbycarl...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue
>  
> I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
> tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.
> 
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
> Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
> just works.
> I hope someone has a solution for you.
> Richard
>  
> 
> "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of 
> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner 
> of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>  
>  
> 
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
> files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
> don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
> up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
> reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
> but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.
> 
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RE: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Alan Lemly]

Kelby,

 

Just out of curiosity, do you have cloud sync turned on in your Voice Dream 
settings? I know that has caused issues with other users in the past so I've 
never turned it on and like Richard, for me Dropbox is working fine with Voice 
Dream Reader.

 

Have you tried going into Content Sources in your Voice Dream Settings and 
turning Dropbox off and then back on again?

 

I assume you're running the latest version of iOS 11?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelbycarl...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 1:15 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

 

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've tried 
removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:

I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR. 

Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.

I hope someone has a solution for you.

Richard

 

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our 
people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of 
men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the 
earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain

 

 


On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  > 
wrote:

Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not restore it, 
but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.

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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Debra Turner]

Hi Reggie and List:
I still use a Windows computer for the Web and other long writing tasks.

To my surprise, Safari on my iPhone works very well with my Texas Bank site and 
I have quit using my computer to do banking because I think Ios is more secure.

It might help to make a list of tasks you wish to do and go from there.

Please write me of list.

Your GDB classmate Debra and Truckee.


-Original Message-
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alvarado
Sent: August 2, 2018 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with

Hi, first, please call me Reggie. I can't take credit for my tag line. It 
actually was in a short newsletter on Yorkshire terriers. There was no credit 
given so I stole it. LOL! I loved it also, and it got my guide and pet an extra 
hug. Of course you know what happens when you assume it is fine, but so far the 
writer has not shown up to give me what-for for using. Thus, assuming, be my 
guest to use. 

As for my age? I was born in 1952. Yup, one of those oldies! 😉😇
Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enoughto pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Hi,

I know for me, getting totally rid of the desk top or laptop wouldn’t work.

I am a writer, and I just can’t imagine spending long hours trying to write a 
document on the phone, even with a bluetooth keyboard connected.  for one 
thing, I haven’t yet found a bluetooth keyboard that I like the feel of and 
that I can write at a reasonabley fast speed on.  I also have a rather large 
collection of files, and this collection is too large to just throw up into the 
cloud.  To my knowledge, there still is no way to connect a portable hard drive 
to the phone or i pad and access files from it.

The idea of compactness and portability are attractive, but honestly, the 
macbook air is all that, so I guess that’s as small as I’ll get for serious 
computing.

I have an i phone 8 plus and love it, use it all the time, for calls and more, 
just not for serious work.

Cait


> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi, there!
> 
> Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
> here's my point of view.
> 
> First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
> got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.
> 
> I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
> overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to 
> use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP 
> telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to 
> music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as 
> alarm clock xD.
> 
> I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
> iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to 
> do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails 
> or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is 
> easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty 
> much bounded if I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.
> 
> For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
> passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
> connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, 
> it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced 
> it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I 
> found horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. 
> Now I have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through 
> HDMI and TV speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.
> 
> I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from 
> iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it 
> was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a 
> keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA so this 
> was also one of the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of some iOS 
> device. Before Minix I tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed with its 
> capabilities. I wanted to be able to browse the web and read email but 
> there's no such thing on Apple TV.
> 
> Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price was 
> more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn new 
> system and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws are part 
> of me for more than twenty years.
> 
> So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I

Re: reading brf books on the iPhone with braille display

[Lyne Ethier]

I looked to use VoiceDream reaeer but it doesn’t work. What is Bard Mobile?

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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Mary Otten]

Yes, numbers or Microsoft excel. Same as what you can have on a computer. Well 
numbers on a Mac, and excel on either a Mac or a PC.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if iPhones  have any kind of spread sheet app. I'd probably be 
> leary. I am so used to the ones my husband has set up for me on my computer. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with
> 
> Plus 1 to what you just said Sieghard. The IPhone is good for somethings, but 
> I still love having my computers for many things.
> 
>> On 8/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Reggie,
>> 
>> Whether you can get buy with only an iPhone you should know and it 
>> almost sounds like you already answered it since you said you never 
>> use your Mac Mini.
>> I personally don't think an iPad will give you that much more in terms 
>> of useability, definitely it would for a sighted person or somebpdy 
>> with partial vision which is still useful.
>> An Apple Watch is primarily designed to be a health/fitness device, 
>> yes it gives you notifications and you can even make phone calls with 
>> it, sent a brief, already provided answer to a text message or use it 
>> for Apple pay, but I doubt you would find yourself trying to send 
>> lengthy messages and so on. If you have home automation devices it can also 
>> be useful.
>> For me personally a PC is essential, for one thing I have my retail 
>> business and need to use Excel on a daily bases as well as my 
>> Windows-based point of sale software, but I know even if I were 
>> retired and would primarily do web browsing, emails and so on I would 
>> not want to miss a PC. I have been using an iPhone for almost 10 years 
>> now and consider myself a fairly advanced user, I love how easy it is 
>> to do certain things with certain apps like Sonos for example, maybe 
>> quickly check my bank balance or the weather etc., but I can't stand 
>> the inefficiency of composing any sort of longer text whether it's an 
>> email, writing a long note, a letter and so on let alone trying to use 
>> a spreadsheet which many of us find useful even for personal 
>> applications. Yes, I can use a bluetooth keyboard, but if I use a 
>> keyboard why on earth would I not want to use a laptop or desktop with 
>> Windows and Jaws where writing and editing text is so so easy. Also, I 
>> can almost guaranty that I would leave very profficient iOS users in 
>> the dust when it comes to web browsing, maybe filling out some online form, 
>> doing my online banking etc.'
>> If you have time and you don't mind the inefficiency and if it doesn't 
>> drive you nuts then maybe an iPhone is OK, but there is a reason why 
>> people like myself, Jonathan Mosen and many others who work or want to 
>> be efficient and fast use a computer. I have not touched on the issue 
>> of costand I'm sure somebody will point out how expensive Jaws is and 
>> all that. Yes, if you have to buy it for the first time it is 
>> expensive, but if you own it and have kept it up-to-date then I don't 
>> consider $120 every two years for a software maintenance agreement 
>> expensive, it is $5/month and if it is not money you want to spend 
>> then you can always learn/use NVDA. Apparently Narrator is also 
>> getting another big boost with the Windows 10 fall update and it is 
>> quickly becoming a viable option for a basic user just as Voiceover is 
>> on the Mac, all you have to do is press Control+Windows Key+Enter and it 
>> starts up.
>> Ultimately everybody has to choose what works for them and while 
>> asking what you asked is totally OK and it will result in different 
>> people giving you different opinions you are in the end the best judge of 
>> what works for you.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: what to replace a couple devices with
>> 
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>> 
>> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never 
>> a computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. 
>> if I decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If 
>> another computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone 
>> should I consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To 
>> what? Most interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. 
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, 
>> yet gentle enoug

RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Carolyn Arnold]

I wonder if iPhones  have any kind of spread sheet app. I'd probably be leary. 
I am so used to the ones my husband has set up for me on my computer. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with

Plus 1 to what you just said Sieghard. The IPhone is good for somethings, but I 
still love having my computers for many things.

On 8/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Reggie,
>
> Whether you can get buy with only an iPhone you should know and it 
> almost sounds like you already answered it since you said you never 
> use your Mac Mini.
> I personally don't think an iPad will give you that much more in terms 
> of useability, definitely it would for a sighted person or somebpdy 
> with partial vision which is still useful.
> An Apple Watch is primarily designed to be a health/fitness device, 
> yes it gives you notifications and you can even make phone calls with 
> it, sent a brief, already provided answer to a text message or use it 
> for Apple pay, but I doubt you would find yourself trying to send 
> lengthy messages and so on. If you have home automation devices it can also 
> be useful.
> For me personally a PC is essential, for one thing I have my retail 
> business and need to use Excel on a daily bases as well as my 
> Windows-based point of sale software, but I know even if I were 
> retired and would primarily do web browsing, emails and so on I would 
> not want to miss a PC. I have been using an iPhone for almost 10 years 
> now and consider myself a fairly advanced user, I love how easy it is 
> to do certain things with certain apps like Sonos for example, maybe 
> quickly check my bank balance or the weather etc., but I can't stand 
> the inefficiency of composing any sort of longer text whether it's an 
> email, writing a long note, a letter and so on let alone trying to use 
> a spreadsheet which many of us find useful even for personal 
> applications. Yes, I can use a bluetooth keyboard, but if I use a 
> keyboard why on earth would I not want to use a laptop or desktop with 
> Windows and Jaws where writing and editing text is so so easy. Also, I 
> can almost guaranty that I would leave very profficient iOS users in 
> the dust when it comes to web browsing, maybe filling out some online form, 
> doing my online banking etc.'
> If you have time and you don't mind the inefficiency and if it doesn't 
> drive you nuts then maybe an iPhone is OK, but there is a reason why 
> people like myself, Jonathan Mosen and many others who work or want to 
> be efficient and fast use a computer. I have not touched on the issue 
> of costand I'm sure somebody will point out how expensive Jaws is and 
> all that. Yes, if you have to buy it for the first time it is 
> expensive, but if you own it and have kept it up-to-date then I don't 
> consider $120 every two years for a software maintenance agreement 
> expensive, it is $5/month and if it is not money you want to spend 
> then you can always learn/use NVDA. Apparently Narrator is also 
> getting another big boost with the Windows 10 fall update and it is 
> quickly becoming a viable option for a basic user just as Voiceover is 
> on the Mac, all you have to do is press Control+Windows Key+Enter and it 
> starts up.
> Ultimately everybody has to choose what works for them and while 
> asking what you asked is totally OK and it will result in different 
> people giving you different opinions you are in the end the best judge of 
> what works for you.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: what to replace a couple devices with
>
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never 
> a computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. 
> if I decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If 
> another computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone 
> should I consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To 
> what? Most interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, 
> yet gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will 
> spend all day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to 
> lift the spirits of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
>
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Trouble with the tuneIn radio pro app

[James Gibson]

Is anyone else having trouble listening to college games on the tune in radio 
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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Interesting thread.  I use my Windows computer for most internet stuff and 
email,  my BrailleSense for anything I don't want to use speech for like 
reading the church bulletin during church or choir words as we sing the anthem, 
, and my IPhone for almost everything else.  Aren't we blessed to have so many 
options!
God bless!
Paula and Garçon
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: what to replace a couple devices with

I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 

I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I decided 
to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another computer, 
which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I consider; an Apple 
watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most interested in a laptop if a 
computer with a small screen. Thanks for any thoughts. 


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Andy Baracco]

I agree! There are still things better and easier done with a PC.  Printing 
is one thing that comes to mind.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with


Hi,

I know for me, getting totally rid of the desk top or laptop wouldn’t work.

I am a writer, and I just can’t imagine spending long hours trying to write 
a document on the phone, even with a bluetooth keyboard connected.  for one 
thing, I haven’t yet found a bluetooth keyboard that I like the feel of and 
that I can write at a reasonabley fast speed on.  I also have a rather large 
collection of files, and this collection is too large to just throw up into 
the cloud.  To my knowledge, there still is no way to connect a portable 
hard drive to the phone or i pad and access files from it.


The idea of compactness and portability are attractive, but honestly, the 
macbook air is all that, so I guess that’s as small as I’ll get for serious 
computing.


I have an i phone 8 plus and love it, use it all the time, for calls and 
more, just not for serious work.


Cait



On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi, there!

Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points 
and here's my point of view.


First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 
1996. I got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.


I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started 
to use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP 
telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to 
music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC 
as alarm clock xD.


I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need 
to do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 
emails or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe 
this is easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but 
I'm pretty much bounded if I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.


For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box 
and connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with 
performance, it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of 
RAM so I replaced it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM 
and SSD. Of course, I found horizontal desktop case and put it in my 
living room below the TV set. Now I have a decent multimedia player, have 
my screen reader talk through HDMI and TV speakers while other sound plays 
through HiFi system.


I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something 
from iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried 
but it was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS 
with a keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA 
so this was also one of the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of 
some iOS device. Before Minix I tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed 
with its capabilities. I wanted to be able to browse the web and read 
email but there's no such thing on Apple TV.


Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price 
was more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn 
new system and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws 
are part of me for more than twenty years.


So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live 
without it but still can't use it as the one and only computing device. 
Maybe this is because I'm, old fashionned, maybe because I'm not using 
keyboard with iOS but this is my experience.


P.S. There's not a single chance in a million years I would write this 
long email using virtual keyboard, even on BSI or MBraille xD.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

01.08.2018 u 23:05, regina alvarado je napisao/la:
I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.


I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
thoughts.



Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, 
yet gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will 
spend all day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eye

Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
What was wrong with it?

I used it last night, quite successfully on my iPad.

Other than the fact that I can’t figure out how to select text.

Can anyone help with that?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
> whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as 
> you described. Yay!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. 
>> The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description 
>> of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've 
>> tried a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and 
>> rejoyce!
>> -- 
>> Michael Feir
>> Twitter: mfeir
>> Skype: michael-feir
>> Check out my blog at:
>> http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca
>> 
>> 
>> Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
>> Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
>> Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
>> Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
>> Www.ami.ca/kellyco
>> 
>> Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
>> 2015
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0
>> 
>> Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
>> www.peelmc.ca
>> 2014
>> 
>> Disability advocate
>> Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
>> www.meadowvalecrc.ca
>> 2013--2014
>> 
>> 
>> Volunteer at The Dam
>> http://www.thedam.org 
>> 2011-2013
>> Author of Personal Power:
>> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
>> 2006-2008
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html
>> 
>> 
>> A Life of Word and Sound
>> 2003-2007
>> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: Kindle app is fixed!!

[Mary Otten]

I can confirm. I had to force an update refresh in my App Store, and then a 
whole bunch of updates came down, including the Kindle one, and it works as you 
described. Yay!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue. 
> The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description 
> of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've tried 
> a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and rejoyce!
> -- 
> Michael Feir
> Twitter: mfeir
> Skype: michael-feir
> Check out my blog at:
> http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca
> 
> 
> Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
> Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
> Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
> Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
> Www.ami.ca/kellyco
> 
> Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
> 2015
> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0
> 
> Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
> www.peelmc.ca
> 2014
> 
> Disability advocate
> Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
> www.meadowvalecrc.ca
> 2013--2014
> 
> 
> Volunteer at The Dam
> http://www.thedam.org 
> 2011-2013
> Author of Personal Power:
> How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
> 2006-2008
> http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html
> 
> 
> A Life of Word and Sound
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Kindle app is fixed!!

[Michael Feir]

Hello everyone. I just got a Kindle update that fixes the VoiceOver issue.
The version number is still 6.91 and there is no mention in the description
of the accessibility fix. Looks like they just snuck it in there.  I've
tried a number of books with uniformly good results. Go forth, grab it and
rejoyce!
-- 
Michael Feir
Twitter: mfeir
Skype: michael-feir
Check out my blog at:
http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.ca


Currently writing Personal Power: The iOS Edition
Regular presenter on Kelly And Company
Learn about iOS, audio dramas, podcasts and accessible games
Thursdays at 2:10 PM Eastern
Www.ami.ca/kellyco

Creator of Journeys of the Mind lectures
2015
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2015/01/journeys-of-mind-play-is-where.html?m=0

Volunteer at New Horizons Peel Multicultural Centre
www.peelmc.ca
2014

Disability advocate
Meadowvale Community Christian Reformed Church
www.meadowvalecrc.ca
2013--2014

Volunteer at The Dam
http://www.thedam.org
2011-2013
Author of Personal Power:
How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People
2006-2008
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/personal-power.html

A Life of Word and Sound
2003-2007
http://michaelfeir.blogspot.ca/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html

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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[kelbycarlson]

I had to reinstall VDR on my phone. I believe it started after that. i've 
tried removing Dropbox and re-adding it, but no luck.

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:37:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Turner wrote:
>
> I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR. 
> Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, 
> it just works.
> I hope someone has a solution for you.
> Richard
>
>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable 
> views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little 
> corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Kelby Carlson  > wrote:
>
> Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
> files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in 
> Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as 
> they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried uninstalling 
> and reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd rather not 
> restore it, but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Gordan Radić]

Hi!

Well to be honest, I wasn't aware of these form factors. To be more 
precise, I doubt Mini PCs are available for purchase in Croatia. I saw 
some Windows Boxes similar to Minix but the hardware inside those are 
not so fast as on usual desktop. Since the work is done and I already 
have this PC runjnin/g I'll be more careful when the time for change 
comes. At least I managed to choose specific motherboard, RAM and SSD so 
it works like a charm, 20 seconds from pushing the button to desktop, 
another 20 seconds for Jaws to speak, this is really great for Windows 
PC. But, we're getting off topic here so thanks for the tip for Mini PCs./


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

2.8.2018. u 18:31, Sieghard Weitzel je napisao/la:

Just one comment regarding PC form factors. You mentioned you found a 
horizontal desktop case and I mention this in case Reggie might consider a PC 
again. You can get so-called mini PC's from a number of manufacturers, Intel, 
Asus, HP are just some. These are basically desktops which you can get with 
full I3, I5 or I7 desktop processors, most support at least 16 and more often 
32Gb of RAM and they have room for 1 or 2 SSD's. They are the size of a Mac 
Mini or in some cases maybe just a tiny bit larger, but still very small more 
or less square boxes with HDMI and/or DVI monitor outputs, usually 4 rear USB 
and two front, of course RJ45 ethernet as well as wireless and bluetooth modems 
and a 3.5mm combination headphone/microphone jack. In the case of the HP 
EliteDesk mini PC's they even have very basic built-in speakers, but they are 
not very loud. Some of these like the Intel NUC (it stands for next unit of 
computing) come with wall-mount brackets and I really like these little PC's, 
they are as powerful as you want them to be and they are small and silent. 
Sometimes when the fan really kicks in on my HP units you can hear it, but not 
usually.
Here in Canada these sell for usually around $600 to $900 depending on how much 
RAM, how large anSSD and so on. You can buy cheaper desktops and laptops in the 
price range, but if you want a quality desktop in a very small form factor then 
these are great.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordan 
Radic
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with

Hi, there!

Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
here's my point of view.

First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.

I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some overgrown 
calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to use PC I 
used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP telephony, 
writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to music, whatever 
you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as alarm clock xD.

I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first iPhone 
on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to do some 
serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails or more 
I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is easier for 
sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty much bounded if 
I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.

For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, it 
was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced it 
with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I found 
horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. Now I 
have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through HDMI and TV 
speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.

I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from iOS 
family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it was not 
so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a keyboard and I 
have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA so this was also one of 
the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of some iOS device. Before Minix I 
tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed with its capabilities. I wanted to be 
able to browse the web and read email but there's no such thing on Apple TV.

Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price was 
more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn new system 
and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws are part of me for 
more than twenty years.

So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live without it 
but still can't u

Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

[Todd W]

Sieghard,

I’ve got one of the (I think) 95xx series.It’s probably 3-4 years old or
more at this point.  It was the first talking/wifi/touchscreen models they
came out with.

Todd

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:39 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Todd,
>
>
>
> Which thermostat do you have? This app I use, Honeywell Home, used to be
> called “Lyric” and it si for the line of Honeywell Lyric thermostats, the
> T5, T6 and I think therre might be one other one.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> SieghardYou might need to
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Todd W
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 2, 2018 8:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
>
>
> I think I know why we have the discrepencies.  I’m using the Honeywell
> Total Comfort Connect app, not the Honeywell Home app.  I didn’t realize
> there was another app from Honeywell that would control the thermostats.
> I’ll check it out.  Thanks for your detailed descriptions.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:07 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Hi Todd,
>
>
>
> When I open my Honeywell Home app I have a “Menu: button at the very top
> left.
>
> If I double tap on it and then do a 4-finger tap near the bottom of the
> screen it takes me all the way down to “Logout”, if I swipe back once to
> the left I’m on a link “About the app”, double tap on that and do another
> 4-finger tap near the bottom of the screen and Voiceover jumps directly to
> the last item on the screen which is the version.
>
>
>
> My version is 4.2.0 (371)
>
>
>
> As for the current indoor temperature, when I first open the app and I
> have the menu button at the top left, I have an “Add new device” button as
> the last element on that screen and again a 4-finger single tap in the
> bottom half of the screen will take me there. Swiping back once to the left
> currently tells me “21.5 ring above inside”. Note that the “ring above” is
> a symbol and visually looks like the degrees symbol, but Voiceover in this
> instance speaks it as “ring above”.
>
> Here is a full description of the screen:
>
>
>
> Top line underneath the status bar: Menu button on the left, name of your
> home in the middle as a heading and “Weather Forecast” button at the top
> right
>
> Underneath this: “My Thermostat” on the left, double tapping on that will
> open a new screen”,, next in the middle “Temperature set to 16.0 degrees
> Celsius, double tap to increase button” and on the right “Set temperature
> is 16.0 degrees Celsius”
>
> Underneath that on the left: “21.5 ring above inside”, the current room
> temperature measured by the thermostat and I think again underneath that
> (have to ask somebody to actually describe it) is the Add new device button.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
>  *On Behalf Of *Todd W
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:26 AM
>
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
>
>
> Looks like my app is up to date from the app store.  I can’t find a
> version number anywhere in the app itself to confirm, though and my inside
> temp still doesn’t speak.  Knowing that yours does is hopeful...maybe it’ll
> show up soon in mine.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> As Todd said, you may need to run a completely new wire from your furnace
> to where the thermostat goes if your existing wire doesn’t have the power
> lead which a regular thermostat does not require. You won’t know until you
> take off the existing thermostat and check.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Cris Ali
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Matching wiring colors is not a problem.  I have sighted friends who can
> be present to match the colors for me when I do the install, but other than
> matching the colors of the four wires, would there be any other challenges
> in the installation itself?  I understand that I may need sighted help
> connecting it to my network, which should not be a problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Bill Holton
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:52 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> You will have to match wiring colors.  You will also need sighted help to
> connect the app, as I recall it displays an icon on the thermostat screen
> you have to match.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Cris Ali
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:49 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> How easy is it to install this smart thermostat?  I am usu

RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

Which thermostat do you have? This app I use, Honeywell Home, used to be called 
“Lyric” and it si for the line of Honeywell Lyric thermostats, the T5, T6 and I 
think therre might be one other one.

Regards,
SieghardYou might need to

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Todd W
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Sieghard,

I think I know why we have the discrepencies.  I’m using the Honeywell Total 
Comfort Connect app, not the Honeywell Home app.  I didn’t realize there was 
another app from Honeywell that would control the thermostats.  I’ll check it 
out.  Thanks for your detailed descriptions.

Todd


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:07 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Todd,

When I open my Honeywell Home app I have a “Menu: button at the very top left.
If I double tap on it and then do a 4-finger tap near the bottom of the screen 
it takes me all the way down to “Logout”, if I swipe back once to the left I’m 
on a link “About the app”, double tap on that and do another 4-finger tap near 
the bottom of the screen and Voiceover jumps directly to the last item on the 
screen which is the version.

My version is 4.2.0 (371)

As for the current indoor temperature, when I first open the app and I have the 
menu button at the top left, I have an “Add new device” button as the last 
element on that screen and again a 4-finger single tap in the bottom half of 
the screen will take me there. Swiping back once to the left currently tells me 
“21.5 ring above inside”. Note that the “ring above” is a symbol and visually 
looks like the degrees symbol, but Voiceover in this instance speaks it as 
“ring above”.
Here is a full description of the screen:

Top line underneath the status bar: Menu button on the left, name of your home 
in the middle as a heading and “Weather Forecast” button at the top right
Underneath this: “My Thermostat” on the left, double tapping on that will open 
a new screen”,, next in the middle “Temperature set to 16.0 degrees Celsius, 
double tap to increase button” and on the right “Set temperature is 16.0 
degrees Celsius”
Underneath that on the left: “21.5 ring above inside”, the current room 
temperature measured by the thermostat and I think again underneath that (have 
to ask somebody to actually describe it) is the Add new device button.

Regards,
Sieghard

mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Todd W
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:26 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Sieghard,

Looks like my app is up to date from the app store.  I can’t find a version 
number anywhere in the app itself to confirm, though and my inside temp still 
doesn’t speak.  Knowing that yours does is hopeful...maybe it’ll show up soon 
in mine.

Todd


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
As Todd said, you may need to run a completely new wire from your furnace to 
where the thermostat goes if your existing wire doesn’t have the power lead 
which a regular thermostat does not require. You won’t know until you take off 
the existing thermostat and check.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:56 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Bill,
Matching wiring colors is not a problem.  I have sighted friends who can be 
present to match the colors for me when I do the install, but other than 
matching the colors of the four wires, would there be any other challenges in 
the installation itself?  I understand that I may need sighted help connecting 
it to my network, which should not be a problem.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Holton
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

You will have to match wiring colors.  You will also need sighted help to 
connect the app, as I recall it displays an icon on the thermostat screen you 
have to match.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Sieghard,
How easy is it to install this smart thermostat?  I am usually Okay with 
installing lights and such things, but I never installed thermostats.  Do I 
need an electrician to install it or you think I can do it myself?
Cheers,

Cris

Fr

RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just one comment regarding PC form factors. You mentioned you found a 
horizontal desktop case and I mention this in case Reggie might consider a PC 
again. You can get so-called mini PC's from a number of manufacturers, Intel, 
Asus, HP are just some. These are basically desktops which you can get with 
full I3, I5 or I7 desktop processors, most support at least 16 and more often 
32Gb of RAM and they have room for 1 or 2 SSD's. They are the size of a Mac 
Mini or in some cases maybe just a tiny bit larger, but still very small more 
or less square boxes with HDMI and/or DVI monitor outputs, usually 4 rear USB 
and two front, of course RJ45 ethernet as well as wireless and bluetooth modems 
and a 3.5mm combination headphone/microphone jack. In the case of the HP 
EliteDesk mini PC's they even have very basic built-in speakers, but they are 
not very loud. Some of these like the Intel NUC (it stands for next unit of 
computing) come with wall-mount brackets and I really like these little PC's, 
they are as powerful as you want them to be and they are small and silent. 
Sometimes when the fan really kicks in on my HP units you can hear it, but not 
usually.
Here in Canada these sell for usually around $600 to $900 depending on how much 
RAM, how large anSSD and so on. You can buy cheaper desktops and laptops in the 
price range, but if you want a quality desktop in a very small form factor then 
these are great.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gordan 
Radic
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what to replace a couple devices with

Hi, there!

Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
here's my point of view.

First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.

I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some overgrown 
calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to use PC I 
used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP telephony, 
writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to music, whatever 
you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as alarm clock xD.

I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first iPhone 
on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to do some 
serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails or more 
I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is easier for 
sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty much bounded if 
I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.

For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, it 
was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced it 
with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I found 
horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. Now I 
have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through HDMI and TV 
speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.

I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from iOS 
family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it was not 
so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a keyboard and I 
have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA so this was also one of 
the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of some iOS device. Before Minix I 
tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed with its capabilities. I wanted to be 
able to browse the web and read email but there's no such thing on Apple TV.

Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price was 
more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn new system 
and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws are part of me for 
more than twenty years.

So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live without it 
but still can't use it as the one and only computing device. 
Maybe this is because I'm, old fashionned, maybe because I'm not using keyboard 
with iOS but this is my experience.

P.S. There's not a single chance in a million years I would write this long 
email using virtual keyboard, even on BSI or MBraille xD.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

01.08.2018 u 23:05, regina alvarado je napisao/la:
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If anothe

Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[regina alvarado]

Hi, first, please call me Reggie. I can't take credit for my tag line. It 
actually was in a short newsletter on Yorkshire terriers. There was no credit 
given so I stole it. LOL! I loved it also, and it got my guide and pet an extra 
hug. Of course you know what happens when you assume it is fine, but so far the 
writer has not shown up to give me what-for for using. Thus, assuming, be my 
guest to use. 

As for my age? I was born in 1952. Yup, one of those oldies! 😉😇
Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enoughto pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:48 AM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Hi,

I know for me, getting totally rid of the desk top or laptop wouldn’t work.

I am a writer, and I just can’t imagine spending long hours trying to write a 
document on the phone, even with a bluetooth keyboard connected.  for one 
thing, I haven’t yet found a bluetooth keyboard that I like the feel of and 
that I can write at a reasonabley fast speed on.  I also have a rather large 
collection of files, and this collection is too large to just throw up into the 
cloud.  To my knowledge, there still is no way to connect a portable hard drive 
to the phone or i pad and access files from it.

The idea of compactness and portability are attractive, but honestly, the 
macbook air is all that, so I guess that’s as small as I’ll get for serious 
computing.

I have an i phone 8 plus and love it, use it all the time, for calls and more, 
just not for serious work.

Cait


> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi, there!
> 
> Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
> here's my point of view.
> 
> First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
> got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.
> 
> I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
> overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to 
> use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP 
> telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to 
> music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as 
> alarm clock xD.
> 
> I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
> iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to 
> do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails 
> or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is 
> easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty 
> much bounded if I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.
> 
> For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
> passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
> connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, 
> it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced 
> it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I 
> found horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. 
> Now I have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through 
> HDMI and TV speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.
> 
> I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from 
> iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it 
> was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a 
> keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA so this 
> was also one of the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of some iOS 
> device. Before Minix I tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed with its 
> capabilities. I wanted to be able to browse the web and read email but 
> there's no such thing on Apple TV.
> 
> Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price was 
> more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn new 
> system and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws are part 
> of me for more than twenty years.
> 
> So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live without 
> it but still can't use it as the one and only computing device. Maybe this is 
> because I'm, old fashionned, maybe because I'm not using keyboard with iOS 
> but this is my experience.
> 
> P.S. There's not a single chance in a million years I would write this long 
> email using virtual keyboard, even on BSI or MBraille xD.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> 
> Gordan Radić
> 
> 01.08.2018 u 23:05, regina alvarado je napisao/la:
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>> 
>> I am intere

Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

[Todd W]

Hi Sieghard,

I think I know why we have the discrepencies.  I’m using the Honeywell
Total Comfort Connect app, not the Honeywell Home app.  I didn’t realize
there was another app from Honeywell that would control the thermostats.
I’ll check it out.  Thanks for your detailed descriptions.

Todd


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:07 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Todd,
>
>
>
> When I open my Honeywell Home app I have a “Menu: button at the very top
> left.
>
> If I double tap on it and then do a 4-finger tap near the bottom of the
> screen it takes me all the way down to “Logout”, if I swipe back once to
> the left I’m on a link “About the app”, double tap on that and do another
> 4-finger tap near the bottom of the screen and Voiceover jumps directly to
> the last item on the screen which is the version.
>
>
>
> My version is 4.2.0 (371)
>
>
>
> As for the current indoor temperature, when I first open the app and I
> have the menu button at the top left, I have an “Add new device” button as
> the last element on that screen and again a 4-finger single tap in the
> bottom half of the screen will take me there. Swiping back once to the left
> currently tells me “21.5 ring above inside”. Note that the “ring above” is
> a symbol and visually looks like the degrees symbol, but Voiceover in this
> instance speaks it as “ring above”.
>
> Here is a full description of the screen:
>
>
>
> Top line underneath the status bar: Menu button on the left, name of your
> home in the middle as a heading and “Weather Forecast” button at the top
> right
>
> Underneath this: “My Thermostat” on the left, double tapping on that will
> open a new screen”,, next in the middle “Temperature set to 16.0 degrees
> Celsius, double tap to increase button” and on the right “Set temperature
> is 16.0 degrees Celsius”
>
> Underneath that on the left: “21.5 ring above inside”, the current room
> temperature measured by the thermostat and I think again underneath that
> (have to ask somebody to actually describe it) is the Add new device button.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
>  *On Behalf Of *Todd W
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:26 AM
>
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
>
>
> Looks like my app is up to date from the app store.  I can’t find a
> version number anywhere in the app itself to confirm, though and my inside
> temp still doesn’t speak.  Knowing that yours does is hopeful...maybe it’ll
> show up soon in mine.
>
>
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> As Todd said, you may need to run a completely new wire from your furnace
> to where the thermostat goes if your existing wire doesn’t have the power
> lead which a regular thermostat does not require. You won’t know until you
> take off the existing thermostat and check.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Cris Ali
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Matching wiring colors is not a problem.  I have sighted friends who can
> be present to match the colors for me when I do the install, but other than
> matching the colors of the four wires, would there be any other challenges
> in the installation itself?  I understand that I may need sighted help
> connecting it to my network, which should not be a problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Bill Holton
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:52 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> You will have to match wiring colors.  You will also need sighted help to
> connect the app, as I recall it displays an icon on the thermostat screen
> you have to match.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Cris Ali
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:49 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> How easy is it to install this smart thermostat?  I am usually Okay with
> installing lights and such things, but I never installed thermostats.  Do I
> need an electrician to install it or you think I can do it myself?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Cris
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:25 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> The Honeywell app works fine and is very accessible.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Gordan Radic
> *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2018 5:25 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas
> Heating
>
>
>
> Hi, Sieghard!
>
> Can you write a line or two about HoneyWel

re, the latest Alexa app update

[Dave]

I have noticed, that since the latest alexa update. every time i open the app, 
it keeps asking me to turn on bluetooth.

I don’t know, if this is only with the UK update, as my friend in australia, 
doesn’t seem to have this issue.

I don’t use alexa, with any bluetooth devices, and don’t wish to turn on 
bluetooth for no reason.

does anyone no of any way i can stop the app asking me this, every time i open 
it?

Dave.

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Hi,
Does anyone have any information about how accessible the keybank mobile app is 
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In looking through archived messages for this group, I saw a message that said 
that the app had some accessibility issues, but don't know if these have been 
solved or not.
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Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

[Denny Schwab]

The one-time watering screen works fine for me.  As I said, the only
issue I found was the selection of zones when setting up a schedule.
Other than that I would put the application down as fully accessible.

Another item of note is that the developer has been very good at
accepting accessibility suggestions and is fairly willing to work at
making updates that are needed.

Denny

On 8/2/18, Richard Petty  wrote:
> That's very helpful. In Bill Holton's review, he noted, "There's also a
> one-time watering screen. Unfortunately, the  timer dial control is
> completely inaccessible both on the iOS and the Android app." Have you
> encountered this problem? I wonder if that problem might have been solved by
> the developer.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Denny Schwab
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>
> I use the Rachio app and find it very accessible.  The only real issue
> I have is that it does not tell you if something is selected or not,
> for instance when you are trying to select which of the zones are
> going to be watered on a given schedule.  It is easy enough to work
> around that though, since you can get the list of zones currently
> selected when you have the schedule fully created, then just go in and
> edit it by tapping on the zones you don't want included in that list.
>
> Denny
>
> On 8/1/18, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> Try sky drop.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Petty
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>>
>>
>>
>> There have been earlier threads on this here. Some here noted the Rachio
>> app. As my sprinklers started off schedule at 3:00 AM this morning, I
>> began
>> to wonder what options I might have for an accessible controller app,
>> this
>> instead of paying for yet another service call.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Holton did a nice review of the Rachio  app in the August 2017 issue
>> of
>> Access World: “An Accessibility Check of the Rachio Smart Wi-Fi
>> Sprinkler.”
>> He noted one significant inaccessible feature; the timer was set with an
>> inaccessible graphically generated dial, but he offered a workaround. He
>> also noted the Rainmachine Smart Sprinkler could be useful, writing, “I
>> have
>> not tested this device, but the app seems even more  accessible than the
>> Rachio. All of the buttons have been labelled, and a company  support
>> technician assures me that the developers used only standard app
>> controls.”
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if anyone on the list uses these or other apps successfully. I
>> will
>> appreciate any help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Petty
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Tom Rash
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Accessible sprinkler timer
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions on any lawn sprinkler timers that are accessible to set
>> and
>> control with the iPhone?
>>
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RE: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

[Richard Petty]

That's very helpful. In Bill Holton's review, he noted, "There's also a 
one-time watering screen. Unfortunately, the  timer dial control is completely 
inaccessible both on the iOS and the Android app." Have you encountered this 
problem? I wonder if that problem might have been solved by the developer.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Denny Schwab
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

I use the Rachio app and find it very accessible.  The only real issue
I have is that it does not tell you if something is selected or not,
for instance when you are trying to select which of the zones are
going to be watered on a given schedule.  It is easy enough to work
around that though, since you can get the list of zones currently
selected when you have the schedule fully created, then just go in and
edit it by tapping on the zones you don't want included in that list.

Denny

On 8/1/18, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Try sky drop.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Petty
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>
>
>
> There have been earlier threads on this here. Some here noted the Rachio
> app. As my sprinklers started off schedule at 3:00 AM this morning, I began
> to wonder what options I might have for an accessible controller app, this
> instead of paying for yet another service call.
>
>
>
> Bill Holton did a nice review of the Rachio  app in the August 2017 issue of
> Access World: “An Accessibility Check of the Rachio Smart Wi-Fi Sprinkler.”
> He noted one significant inaccessible feature; the timer was set with an
> inaccessible graphically generated dial, but he offered a workaround. He
> also noted the Rainmachine Smart Sprinkler could be useful, writing, “I have
> not tested this device, but the app seems even more  accessible than the
> Rachio. All of the buttons have been labelled, and a company  support
> technician assures me that the developers used only standard app controls.”
>
>
>
> I wonder if anyone on the list uses these or other apps successfully. I will
> appreciate any help.
>
>
>
> Richard Petty
>
>
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> Of Tom Rash
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 9:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Accessible sprinkler timer
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>
> Any suggestions on any lawn sprinkler timers that are accessible to set and
> control with the iPhone?
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,

I know for me, getting totally rid of the desk top or laptop wouldn’t work.

I am a writer, and I just can’t imagine spending long hours trying to write a 
document on the phone, even with a bluetooth keyboard connected.  for one 
thing, I haven’t yet found a bluetooth keyboard that I like the feel of and 
that I can write at a reasonabley fast speed on.  I also have a rather large 
collection of files, and this collection is too large to just throw up into the 
cloud.  To my knowledge, there still is no way to connect a portable hard drive 
to the phone or i pad and access files from it.

The idea of compactness and portability are attractive, but honestly, the 
macbook air is all that, so I guess that’s as small as I’ll get for serious 
computing.

I have an i phone 8 plus and love it, use it all the time, for calls and more, 
just not for serious work.

Cait


> On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi, there!
> 
> Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice points and 
> here's my point of view.
> 
> First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 1996. I 
> got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.
> 
> I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
> overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I started to 
> use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, chat, VOIP 
> telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, listening to 
> music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I was using my PC as 
> alarm clock xD.
> 
> I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
> iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I need to 
> do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for reading 50 emails 
> or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my PC on. Maybe this is 
> easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small touch screen but I'm pretty 
> much bounded if I can't use keyboard with all ten fingers.
> 
> For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
> passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box and 
> connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with performance, 
> it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of RAM so I replaced 
> it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM and SSD. Of course, I 
> found horizontal desktop case and put it in my living room below the TV set. 
> Now I have a decent multimedia player, have my screen reader talk through 
> HDMI and TV speakers while other sound plays through HiFi system.
> 
> I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something from 
> iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried but it 
> was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS with a 
> keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later NVDA so this 
> was also one of the reasons I decided to get this PC instead of some iOS 
> device. Before Minix I tried Apple TV but I got very disapointed with its 
> capabilities. I wanted to be able to browse the web and read email but 
> there's no such thing on Apple TV.
> 
> Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the price was 
> more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to learn new 
> system and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and Jaws are part 
> of me for more than twenty years.
> 
> So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live without 
> it but still can't use it as the one and only computing device. Maybe this is 
> because I'm, old fashionned, maybe because I'm not using keyboard with iOS 
> but this is my experience.
> 
> P.S. There's not a single chance in a million years I would write this long 
> email using virtual keyboard, even on BSI or MBraille xD.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> 
> Gordan Radić
> 
> 01.08.2018 u 23:05, regina alvarado je napisao/la:
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>> 
>> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
>> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
>> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
>> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
>> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
>> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
>> thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
>> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
>> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
>> of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
>> 
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Gordan Radić]

Hi, there!

Some people already said some good things, Sieghard made some nice 
points and here's my point of view.


First of all, I'm 42 year old and I started using PC when I was 20 in 
1996. I got my first dumb cellphone at age of 23 in 1999.


I actually spent first half of my life using landline phone and some 
overgrown calculators such as ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64. When I 
started to use PC I used it for almost everything. Web browsing, email, 
chat, VOIP telephony, writing and reading documents, whatching movies, 
listening to music, whatever you can think of. There was a time when I 
was using my PC as alarm clock xD.


I started to use smartphones as of 2004. or something and I got my first 
iPhone on 2012. I have to say I use my iPhone to some level but if I 
need to do some serious writting, some extended websearch, even for 
reading 50 emails or more I'd rather sit in front of my desk and turn my 
PC on. Maybe this is easier for sighted folks to acomplish on small 
touch screen but I'm pretty much bounded if I can't use keyboard with 
all ten fingers.


For some years now I was using iPhone and Windows laptop but since I'm 
passionate music listener some months ago I purchased Minix Windows box 
and connected it to my TV and HiFi system. I wasn't satisfied with 
performance, it was to slow using Windows 10 and Jaws on just 2 gigs of 
RAM so I replaced it with serious desktop machine with I5, 8 gigs of RAM 
and SSD. Of course, I found horizontal desktop case and put it in my 
living room below the TV set. Now I have a decent multimedia player, 
have my screen reader talk through HDMI and TV speakers while other 
sound plays through HiFi system.


I turned my dumb Grundig TV into a smart one xD. i could use something 
from iOS family like old iPad or iPod touch for this purpose and I tried 
but it was not so comfortable. I have to say I never learned to use iOS 
with a keyboard and I have 14 years of experience with Jaws and later 
NVDA so this was also one of the reasons I decided to get this PC 
instead of some iOS device. Before Minix I tried Apple TV but I got very 
disapointed with its capabilities. I wanted to be able to browse the web 
and read email but there's no such thing on Apple TV.


Maybe I should have go for Mac Mini instead of Windows desktop, the 
price was more less the same, I don't know but I don't have the time to 
learn new system and new screen reader and on the other hand Windows and 
Jaws are part of me for more than twenty years.


So, the answer is I like my iPhone, as a matter of fact I can't live 
without it but still can't use it as the one and only computing device. 
Maybe this is because I'm, old fashionned, maybe because I'm not using 
keyboard with iOS but this is my experience.


P.S. There's not a single chance in a million years I would write this 
long email using virtual keyboard, even on BSI or MBraille xD.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

01.08.2018 u 23:05, regina alvarado je napisao/la:

I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.

I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I decided 
to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another computer, 
which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I consider; an Apple 
watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most interested in a laptop if a 
computer with a small screen. Thanks for any thoughts.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet gentle 
enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all day on a couch with 
a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a broken heart." So God 
made a dog.



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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I still do my best work sat at a desk with a real keyboard which I use both 
hands on. This is how I got into it, so a bit late to 
change to one-handed.

I also have a huge collection of legacy files I want/need to keep, so this 
almost eliminates iOs in the absence of a navigable file 
system.

There are partial solutions to both of these, but not total solutions to the 
level we had at the beginning.

JMO, BobH.

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From: "regina alvarado" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:05 PM
Subject: what to replace a couple devices with


I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.

I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never 
use it. if I decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If 
another computer, which Apple? If not, what device 
besides my phone should I consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad 
Air? To what? Most interested in a laptop if a computer 
with a small screen. Thanks for any thoughts.


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody 
who will spend all day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to 
lift the spirits of a broken heart." So God made a dog.

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