RE: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Mary,

As you may recall, I own the fifth Generation Focus 40 Blue unit.  In addition 
to the information you’ve already received, I’ll add some comments.  I like 
typing on the Focus keyboard for note taking usually performed in Word 2016.  
It’s a Perkins-style keyboard and feels solid to the touch.  The dots on the 
unit are crisp.  Unlike with the prior unit, they provided a good carrying case 
for this unit.  A Scratch Pad was recently implemented on the Focus.  You can 
take some very basic notes, not meant fvor word processing and no advanced 
formatting is supported.  With the Mini-SD slot, you can store and open books 
from Bard and other sources.  As I mainly use Jaws, I like the support it has 
for the Focus displays.  Additionally, I am awaiting the elBraille that will 
work with the Focus Fifth Gen.  It’s supposed to have significant improvements 
over the unit that is already available for the Fourth Gen, but specifics are 
not available yet.  I wanted to see the Q Braille, but never heard back from 
the distributor In my area.  HIMS didn’t follow up either.  That’s all I have 
for now.
Best,

Les

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From: Mary Otten
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Subject: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.
Mary

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Re: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Mary, No, the Braille Edge cannot function like an external drive. It is an 
older device, and had I known about the Q Braille coming out, I would have 
waited longer to ask my work to get me the Braille Edge. I was replacing an old 
Braille Sense OnHand. So, 6 or 8 months ago, I got the braille edge, since the 
features were all I needed in my job.
Oh well.
I'd wait for the q if it were me.
I suspect you could get a demonstration of it once it is out since one of the 
distributers I think is in Corvallis. I'll double check.
Richard



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On Aug 14, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Zhi Huang 
mailto:zhi.hu...@comcast.net>> wrote:


Hi Mary:



Although I read about both, I've only used and demonstrated the Focus 14 and 40 
4th and 5th generation Braille displays.  Personally, the Braille Edge is an 
older product to the Focus 5th generation displays.  I would either get the 
Focus 5th or the q Braille.  Some differences between the 2 include:

Storage:

Focus, micro SD, QBraille, standard SD

Connected devices that you can switch among them:

Focus, 5 bluetooth and 1 USB, Q Braille, 6 bluetooth and 1 USB
keyboard layout:
this depends on what you want.  Focus requires you to press more of a 
combination of keys while the QBraille XL includes separate arrow, function, 
and window keys like alt, control, Insert, Etc.
Price:
Last time I read,  $300 less for Focus 40.

Here are some links that you might find helpful:


Using the Focus Blue with 
iOS



Focus 14 and 40 Blue - 5th Generation User's 
Guide

The second link will provide more information on the layout of the devices.



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Subject: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone



Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.

Mary



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Re: A reply from the developerFw: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Jewel]

I forwarded the original post re Astrios to a star-struck friend of mine, as I 
did not knowif he was 
on this list.  I think that, perhaps, he is not.
I have just received a reply from him saying that it was the coolest thing 
ever, and he loaded  it 
without any problems.

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From: "Dave Allen" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:52 PM
To: "'Jewel'" 
Subject: RE: A reply from the developerFw: Introducing Astreos: universal 
access to the cosmos

Hi!

I got it going today without any issue.

It's the coolest thing I've found since the money reader.

It is necessary to pay attention to grab any updates that come out, because 
test versions have a 
shorter life than hopefully we do, *lol*

Each beta version only lives for 90 days max, but it's fun, and the price can't 
be beaten with a 
stick!

Cheers,
Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2018 1:30 p.m.
To: Dave Allen
Subject: A reply from the developerFw: Introducing Astreos: universal access to 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 4:05 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

Hi harry,

Sorry for the experience you had when it first crashed. We are working now to 
fix this ASAP.

Yes, you start by hearing one of NASA's launch sequences and you are in a 
spaceship looking at the
stars. I've had another comment about the volume not being loud enough. It was 
so that you can
experience the app on the headphones, but speaker volume is not loud enough. 
This will be fixed
within the next coming days with a volume slider. For now though, if you put 
your headhones on, you
will hear everything clearly. Move the phone around and you will hear all the 
constellations exactly
where they are meant to be in the sky.

For the controls, they are actually mentioned in the test flight app along with 
bug fixes and
features, but I will list the controls here:

two finger swipe
Up for planets
left for manmade satellites
right for moons
down for constellations


When you selected an object, you will feel a tic from the phone. The faster the 
tick, the closer you
are from the object you are looking for, as you move and orient the phone 
around in a spherical
space.

Once you hear Leah anouncing the name of the object, do a pinch out gesture to 
focus on the object.

Pinch in to zoom back out to the space ship.

If you have a bit of sight left, when zoomed in, you can orbit around the 
object by dragging your
finger around.

As I mentioned in the audio demo, We haven't exposed the information for all 
the objects yet, as I
am working on making the voice completely filtered with echo and reverb.

Finally, another feature is using your voice. Double tap on the screen, and 
Leah will say "yes", at
which point you can say things like "where's Mars" or "search for Neptune" etc.

Please let me know if you have issues and I'll get back to you ASAP.



> On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:33 am, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
>
>
> I have downloaded the beta on my iPhone 7 plus running iOS 11.4.1 and on my 
> 2018 ipad running ios
> 12 latest beta. The app opened on both devices, i gave it permissions to 
> access location and
> microphone. The app then crashed back to home screen on both devices. 
> When i reopened the app,
> there was a ten second pause and then i heard some Cape Canaveral-like 
> commentary which was almost
> inaudible and a slightly louder voice naming constellations as i moved my 
> device. Even on full
> volume, itwas a struggle to hear much. No buttons or tabs were detected by 
> voiceover, so i had no
> instructions about what to do and i have no idea whati can do via the 
> microphone (as the app asked
> to use my device microphone for voice commands, i assume tgere must be some).
> How do i get started?
> Thanks
> Harry in UK
>
>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 11:27, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Just wanted to make sure you got the invite? It seems so far with our tests, 
>> the app has some
>> issues with iphone 5s and 6 as the CPU architecture is older on these 
>> devices. Hopefully you have
>> something more recent.
>>
>> Have a great day
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 5:40 am, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OOoo!...   wonderful, so very wonderful, if it can really do all that. I 
>>> kinda borrowed a
>>> particularly good 1st year degree level
>>> course notes in astro-physics years ago and still re-read it.  Never saw 
>>> well enough to see
>>> stars, just sun and moon.  Not even that
>>> now mind.
>>>
>>> But yes, this would be fascinating to try, will deal with that in a bit.
>>>
>>> What version of iOws will it work down to?  I am Not a slavish follower of 
>>> versions while the
>>> one I have works with what I have.
>>> There's so many stories of new downloads crippling perfectly good old ones.
>>>
>>> Many 

RE: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Zhi Huang]

Hi Mary:

 

Although I read about both, I've only used and demonstrated the Focus 14 and 40 
4th and 5th generation Braille displays.  Personally, the Braille Edge is an 
older product to the Focus 5th generation displays.  I would either get the 
Focus 5th or the q Braille.  Some differences between the 2 include:

Storage:

Focus, micro SD, QBraille, standard SD

Connected devices that you can switch among them:

Focus, 5 bluetooth and 1 USB, Q Braille, 6 bluetooth and 1 USB

keyboard layout:

this depends on what you want.  Focus requires you to press more of a 
combination of keys while the QBraille XL includes separate arrow, function, 
and window keys like alt, control, Insert, Etc.  

Price:

Last time I read,  $300 less for Focus 40.

 

Here are some links that you might find helpful:

 

Using the Focus Blue with iOS 

 

 

Focus 14 and 40 Blue - 5th Generation User's Guide 

 

The second link will provide more information on the layout of the devices.

 

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Subject: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

 

Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.

Mary

 

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RE: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Susie Stageberg]

Mary,

 

I do Bookshare books all the time on my BrailleNote, which has an SD card for 
external memory. I bought a card reader that plus into the computer’s unzip the 
book and put it on the SD card, then you should be able to read it on the 
Braille Edge. Ditto with BARD’s .brf Braille book.

 

Susie

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

 

Can you set the edge so that it looks like an external drive to a computer, 
such that you could download books to an SD card that you had installed on it? 
Or do you have to somehow download those to an SD card on your computer, then 
put that in the edge and go from there? I kind of like the idea of this new 
device anyway, because the keys are like what you would see on a regular 
computer keyboard, rather than special keys that they put on the edge or 
whatever device to mimic that functionality.
Mary
PS I seem to recall that I didn’t really care for the ergonomics either, since 
the space bar is really close to the braille keys

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I have the braille edge at work. 

I have not seen the latest Focus 40.

I am very interested in seeing the Q Braille, which I gather has essentially 
the same form factor as the braille edge, with the addition of the function 
keys and a few more so it really can be used as an braille keyboard for a 
computer. 

The current Braille Edge bluetooth is quite solid. But, it can only pair with 
one device, though it works fine via USB with a Windows computer and I'm sure 
would also work via usb with a Mac.

The memory is an SD card, so you could put all the books you want on an SD card 
and read them on the Braille Edge.

The notetaker function is very, very basic but can be set to txt files so they 
can easily be read on a computer.

The keys and braille feel good to my touch.

The keyboard is very quiet.

Later,

Richard

 

"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett

 

 

[Sent from my little hand-held computer]

 


On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.
Mary

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Re: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Can you set the edge so that it looks like an external drive to a computer, 
such that you could download books to an SD card that you had installed on it? 
Or do you have to somehow download those to an SD card on your computer, then 
put that in the edge and go from there? I kind of like the idea of this new 
device anyway, because the keys are like what you would see on a regular 
computer keyboard, rather than special keys that they put on the edge or 
whatever device to mimic that functionality.
Mary
PS I seem to recall that I didn’t really care for the ergonomics either, since 
the space bar is really close to the braille keys

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I have the braille edge at work.
> I have not seen the latest Focus 40.
> I am very interested in seeing the Q Braille, which I gather has essentially 
> the same form factor as the braille edge, with the addition of the function 
> keys and a few more so it really can be used as an braille keyboard for a 
> computer. 
> The current Braille Edge bluetooth is quite solid. But, it can only pair with 
> one device, though it works fine via USB with a Windows computer and I'm sure 
> would also work via usb with a Mac.
> The memory is an SD card, so you could put all the books you want on an SD 
> card and read them on the Braille Edge.
> The notetaker function is very, very basic but can be set to txt files so 
> they can easily be read on a computer.
> The keys and braille feel good to my touch.
> The keyboard is very quiet.
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett
> 
> 
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
> 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of 
>> lists. I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience 
>> with the displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but 
>> particularly with iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device 
>> that’s coming out called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course 
>> nobody can really comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is 
>> particularly well served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is 
>> outside the scope of any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note 
>> taking capability and how easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on 
>> and off of the device for independent use, but I suppose that too is outside 
>> the scope of these lists. Please feel free to reply to me off list about 
>> that stuff. What is on point is the stability of the Bluetooth connection, 
>> and the overall feel of the keyboard at Cetera, and the out of the box key 
>> assignments.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Richard Turner]

I have the braille edge at work.
I have not seen the latest Focus 40.
I am very interested in seeing the Q Braille, which I gather has essentially 
the same form factor as the braille edge, with the addition of the function 
keys and a few more so it really can be used as an braille keyboard for a 
computer.
The current Braille Edge bluetooth is quite solid. But, it can only pair with 
one device, though it works fine via USB with a Windows computer and I'm sure 
would also work via usb with a Mac.
The memory is an SD card, so you could put all the books you want on an SD card 
and read them on the Braille Edge.
The notetaker function is very, very basic but can be set to txt files so they 
can easily be read on a computer.
The keys and braille feel good to my touch.
The keyboard is very quiet.
Later,
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:maryot...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.
Mary

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Braille edge or focus 40 latest generation with Mac and iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Hi all, and I acknowledge that this has been Cross posted to a couple of lists. 
I am interested in hearing from people who have recent experience with the 
displays I mentioned in the subject line with a Mac but particularly with 
iPhones, iPads etc. I’m also interested in the new device that’s coming out 
called the Q braille, but it’s not out yet, so of course nobody can really 
comment on it I guess. Of course I know that the focus is particularly well 
served by the jaws for windows screen reader, but that is outside the scope of 
any of these lists. I’m also interested in the note taking capability and how 
easy it might be to get say, bookshare books on and off of the device for 
independent use, but I suppose that too is outside the scope of these lists. 
Please feel free to reply to me off list about that stuff. What is on point is 
the stability of the Bluetooth connection, and the overall feel of the keyboard 
at Cetera, and the out of the box key assignments.
Mary

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

Oh same here. It’s easier to type passwords with a bluetooth keyboard rather 
than the onscreen keyboard.

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Kwork  wrote:
> 
> My favorite uses are text and email messages, and filling out forms, 
> especially passwords.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I would say a keyboard would be useful for navigation. I use mine for that, 
> but I also use it for typing long emails or text messages.
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Sandra Streeter  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just starting to learn an iPhone 8. Would a keyboard help in situations 
>> where you're presented with an itemized menu that you have to press a 
>> certain # for whatever item? I don't mind using the regular onboard 
>> keyboard, but am thinking ahead to whenever I have to deal with the menu 
>> situation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sandra
>> 
>> "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed 
>> until it is faced."
>> (James Baldwin)
>> -Original Message- From: Kwork
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:48 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>> 
>> Susie, I love the three thumbs up. It made me laugh!
>> I'm glad you're a fan of it too.
>> Travis
>> - Original Message - From: "Susie Stageberg" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
>> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>> 
>> 
>> I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at
>> Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing
>> Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take 
>> it
>> with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the 
>> phone
>> with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.
>> 
>> Susie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Arlene
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>> 
>> Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380 
>> keyboard.
>> It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard 
>> you
>> have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
>> logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a 
>> few
>> other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
>> all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
>> $7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
>> great coming from one another's experiences.
>> 
>> Arlene
>> - Original Message - From: "Kwork" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>> 
>> 
>> I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.
>> 
>> Dark gray:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380
>> 
>> Blue:
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1
>> 
>> With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
>> seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
>> of writing.
>> 
>> Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
>> preference only.
>> No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
>> There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for 
>> those
>> wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be 
>> able
>> to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
>> allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
>> For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. 
>> Instead
>> of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and 
>> oval
>> shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
>> anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break 
>> something.
>> 
>> The positives. So far, everything else.
>> The touch is light.
>> Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
>> possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
>> touch.
>> There is an on/off switch on the side.
>> So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
>> Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
>> Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since 
>> there
>> is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.
>> 
>> So far, well worth the purchase.
>> 
>> Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
>> Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on 
>> her

Re: ending a call using power button?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

If you are trying to decline a call you want to press the power button twice 
quickly.

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I tried calling from the land line and depressed the Power Button, and it 
> went to Voice Mail. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?
> 
> I thought a double press of the power declines the call?
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Right, that is the way mine is too. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Tom's Gmail
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?
>> 
>> Pushing the power button when receiving a call, actually, puts the person in 
>> to voicemail. I really like this feature because when the phone rings and I 
>> am busy, all I have to do is push the power button, and it puts the person 
>> and to voicemail and I can check it out later. I love that feature. But as 
>> far as I know, the only way to answer a phone call is a two finger double 
>> tap to answer, and a two finger double tap to close it. Of course you can 
>> also go to the answer by 10 and call just like everybody else do gods and do 
>> a one finger double  tap.
>> 
>> 
>> Tom frank
>> Dictated on my iPhone
>> The message  is mine, the errors I blame on Siri. 
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Sadam Ahmed >  > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power 
>> button.
>> 
>> This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.
>> 
>> On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>   No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and 
>> neither can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone 
>> X and new iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger 
>> double tap to answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call 
>> button and double tap it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>> 
>> 
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>> The wolf
>> 
>> 
>>   Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
>> 
>> 
>>   To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com  
>> 
>> 
>>   Subject: ending a call using power button?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power 
>> button and answer calls using the home button?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on 
>> the lader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Yours sincerely,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> JAWS certified, 2018
>> FaceTime, iMessage & email
>> 
>> sa...@sadamahmed.com  
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Kwork]

My favorite uses are text and email messages, and filling out forms, 
especially passwords.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I would say a keyboard would be useful for navigation. I use mine for that, 
but I also use it for typing long emails or text messages.

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Sandra Streeter  
> wrote:
>
> Just starting to learn an iPhone 8. Would a keyboard help in situations 
> where you're presented with an itemized menu that you have to press a 
> certain # for whatever item? I don't mind using the regular onboard 
> keyboard, but am thinking ahead to whenever I have to deal with the menu 
> situation.
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
> "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed 
> until it is faced."
> (James Baldwin)
> -Original Message- From: Kwork
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>
> Susie, I love the three thumbs up. It made me laugh!
> I'm glad you're a fan of it too.
> Travis
> - Original Message - From: "Susie Stageberg" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>
>
> I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at
> Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing
> Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take 
> it
> with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the 
> phone
> with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.
>
> Susie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Arlene
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>
> Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380 
> keyboard.
> It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard 
> you
> have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
> logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a 
> few
> other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
> all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
> $7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
> great coming from one another's experiences.
>
> Arlene
> - Original Message - From: "Kwork" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>
>
> I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.
>
> Dark gray:
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380
>
> Blue:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1
>
> With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
> seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
> of writing.
>
> Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
> preference only.
> No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
> There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for 
> those
> wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be 
> able
> to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
> allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
> For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. 
> Instead
> of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and 
> oval
> shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
> anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break 
> something.
>
> The positives. So far, everything else.
> The touch is light.
> Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
> possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
> touch.
> There is an on/off switch on the side.
> So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
> Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
> Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since 
> there
> is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.
>
> So far, well worth the purchase.
>
> Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
> Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on 
> her
> Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
> Travis
> - Original Message - From: "Arlene" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
>
>
> I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
> 

Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

I would say a keyboard would be useful for navigation. I use mine for that, but 
I also use it for typing long emails or text messages.

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Sandra Streeter  
> wrote:
> 
> Just starting to learn an iPhone 8. Would a keyboard help in situations where 
> you're presented with an itemized menu that you have to press a certain # for 
> whatever item? I don't mind using the regular onboard keyboard, but am 
> thinking ahead to whenever I have to deal with the menu situation.
> 
> 
> 
> Sandra
> 
> "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed 
> until it is faced."
> (James Baldwin)
> -Original Message- From: Kwork
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> Susie, I love the three thumbs up. It made me laugh!
> I'm glad you're a fan of it too.
> Travis
> - Original Message - From: "Susie Stageberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at
> Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing
> Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take it
> with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the phone
> with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.
> 
> Susie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Arlene
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
> It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
> have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
> logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
> other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
> all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
> $7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
> great coming from one another's experiences.
> 
> Arlene
> - Original Message - From: "Kwork" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.
> 
> Dark gray:
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380
> 
> Blue:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1
> 
> With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
> seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
> of writing.
> 
> Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
> preference only.
> No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
> There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
> wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
> to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
> allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
> For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
> of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
> shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
> anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.
> 
> The positives. So far, everything else.
> The touch is light.
> Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
> possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
> touch.
> There is an on/off switch on the side.
> So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
> Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
> Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
> is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.
> 
> So far, well worth the purchase.
> 
> Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
> Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
> Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
> Travis
> - Original Message - From: "Arlene" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
> small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
> the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
> - Original Message - From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 

Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Sandra Streeter]

Just starting to learn an iPhone 8. Would a keyboard help in situations 
where you're presented with an itemized menu that you have to press a 
certain # for whatever item? I don't mind using the regular onboard 
keyboard, but am thinking ahead to whenever I have to deal with the menu 
situation.




Sandra

"Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed 
until it is faced."

(James Baldwin)
-Original Message- 
From: Kwork

Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Susie, I love the three thumbs up. It made me laugh!
I'm glad you're a fan of it too.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Susie Stageberg" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at
Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing
Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take it
with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the phone
with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
great coming from one another's experiences.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: 

Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Kwork]

Susie, I love the three thumbs up. It made me laugh!
I'm glad you're a fan of it too.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Susie Stageberg" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at 
Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing 
Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take it 
with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the phone 
with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
great coming from one another's experiences.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
walmart, I'll 

Re: Issues with iPhone either not wanting to sleep or power off button randomly appearing

[Donna]

Hi

Try going to Settings, Display & Brightness, swipe down to Raise to Wake, & tap 
to turn Raise to Wake off. 

Donna
> 
> Hello list,
> So as the subject line says, my iPhone SE has recently been giving me weird 
> issues with either the power off screen popping up and or the phone not 
> wanting to go to sleep when I press the power button.
> I started noticing it maybe four or five weeks ago, but it’s been way more 
> frequent these past couple of weeks and happens a lot now.
> I’ve already a couple of times accidentally turned the phone off by 
> inadvertently pressing the power off button, but it’s more of an annoyance 
> and frustration than anything else. Especially when I can’t get the phone to 
> go to sleep. It’ll also randomally wake up.
> Anyone dealt with this issue? I’ve already reset all settings per Apple’s 
> instructions for an unrelated issue and while that particular problem so far 
> hasn’t shown up since doing that, the power off thing is still going strong.
> The phone’s going on two years and I intend to finally upgrade this year once 
> the new models come out, but in the meantime, I’m dealing with this.
> Thanks,
> Cristobal
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RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[llumpkin]

I think it's called "plugable keyboard"


-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Sounds good! What is tge name of this foldable keyboard?Thamls Harry

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 19:52, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
> 
> We like this keyboard:
> 
> Description
> For fast typists or those with large hands, most folding keyboards are just 
> too small for comfort! This sturdy Bluetooth keyboard features five rows of 
> standard-sized keys laid out in classic keyboard style and properly spaced 
> for accurate typing. They are topped off by a sixth row of function keys for 
> frequently used Android, iOS, and Windows operations. Yet, when you are ready 
> to go, it folds smaller than a paperback book and fits right in a bag or 
> briefcase with your tablet or phone.
> This Plugable keyboard is elegantly engineered to strike a balance between 
> these competing demands:
> •The full-size keyboard layout features crisp high-quality keys, yet 
> folds into a package smaller than a paperback book.
> •The back and sides are strong but lightweight aluminum. The hinges are 
> stainless steel. This makes it extremely durable.
> •It comes with a soft but strong case that both protects the keyboard and 
> anything else you’d throw in a bag with it.
> •The case transforms into stand for your phone or tablet and adjusts to 
> any angle.
> •The keyboard has special support for Android, Windows, and iOS key 
> functions.
> •Its USB-charged battery lasts for weeks of normal use.
> Details
> This keyboard has two wings that fold out from the center on stainless-steel 
> hinges, offering a large area for typing. Strategically-placed magnets at the 
> joints and edges secure the wings when the keyboard is both opened and 
> closed. Two stabilizing tabs fold down from the ends to steady the keyboard 
> while you type.
> 
> During use, the keyboard is surrounded on three sides by solid aluminum. When 
> folded, the backs of the wings cover the top, providing durable metal 
> protection on all sides. The inner workings are further protected by plastic 
> covers over the hinges.
> The normal-size keys are properly spaced for accurate typing and have a crisp 
> and familiar touch, with the precise scissors-type mechanism found on quality 
> desktop keyboards.
> Five rows of regular keys replicate a standard desktop keyboard. A sixth row 
> at the top provides shortcuts to many functions in Android and iOS devices, 
> while working as keys F1-F12 in Windows. The layout is similar to larger 
> laptop keyboards.
> The fitted case is lined with soft microfiber on the inside to protect the 
> keyboard, while a soft leather-like surface on the outside prevents marring 
> of your phone and other items during transport. A quick flip of the cover 
> turns it into an adjustable stand for your phone or tablet (see folding 
> instructions below).
> 
> 
> FAQ
> Q: How do I pair this keyboard with my device?
> A: Make the keyboard discoverable by pressing Fn + C, and pair using the 
> Bluetooth software on your device. The State LED will flash blue while in 
> discoverable mode and go out when paired. Press Fn + C again to cancel 
> discoverable mode.
> Q: How do I fold the case into a stand?
> A: Here’s how: 1. Place the closed case flat on the table with the Plugable 
> logo facing you to the left and fold out the top and the bottom. 2. Fold the 
> top section toward you. 3. Form a triangle with the Plugable logo visible at 
> the lower-left. As you fold the top, tuck the magnetic flap under until it 
> makes contact with the arrow on the bottom section. The magnet will hold the 
> stand together. 4. Move the plastic holder in and out to adjust the angle of 
> your device.
> 
> Q: My keyboard is typing the wrong language! How can I change that?
> The physical layout of this keyboard was designed for English-language users. 
> However, it is possible to change the virtual layout so that key presses 
> register as with a keyboard for another language. It is also possible for the 
> wrong language to get set for the keyboard causing unexpected characters to 
> be typed. You can change the layout and using the language settings for the 
> device. Here is how to do it for Android, iOS, and Windows:
> Android
> 1.Open Settings
> 2.Scroll down and tap Language and Input. You should see Plugable Folding 
> Keyboard under Physical keyboard.
> 3.Tap Physical Keyboard. Choose Keyboard Layout will appear.
> 4.At the bottom tap Set Up Keyboard Layouts.
> 5.On the list that appears, select the language you want. You can set 
> more than one and switch back and forth if desired.
> 6.Tap the Back key to go back to the previous window. The keyboards you 
> chose should now be available.
> 7.Select the keyboard you want to use
> 8.Tap the home screen button to close Settings.
> 

Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Michael Feir]

I think it was just called the Microsoft Folding Universal Mobile keyboard.
I haven't felt how they got it to fold. The version I have is rigid and the
magnetic lid folds over the keys protecting them well. I can also detach
the lid. I would recommend getting a lapdesk with this or the folding
keyboard since it's a bit short to lay comfortably on my lap.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:33 PM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sounds good! What is tge name of this foldable keyboard?Thamls
> Harry
>
> > On 14 Aug 2018, at 19:52, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > We like this keyboard:
> >
> > Description
> > For fast typists or those with large hands, most folding keyboards are
> just too small for comfort! This sturdy Bluetooth keyboard features five
> rows of standard-sized keys laid out in classic keyboard style and properly
> spaced for accurate typing. They are topped off by a sixth row of function
> keys for frequently used Android, iOS, and Windows operations. Yet, when
> you are ready to go, it folds smaller than a paperback book and fits right
> in a bag or briefcase with your tablet or phone.
> > This Plugable keyboard is elegantly engineered to strike a balance
> between these competing demands:
> > •The full-size keyboard layout features crisp high-quality keys, yet
> folds into a package smaller than a paperback book.
> > •The back and sides are strong but lightweight aluminum. The hinges
> are stainless steel. This makes it extremely durable.
> > •It comes with a soft but strong case that both protects the
> keyboard and anything else you’d throw in a bag with it.
> > •The case transforms into stand for your phone or tablet and adjusts
> to any angle.
> > •The keyboard has special support for Android, Windows, and iOS key
> functions.
> > •Its USB-charged battery lasts for weeks of normal use.
> > Details
> > This keyboard has two wings that fold out from the center on
> stainless-steel hinges, offering a large area for typing.
> Strategically-placed magnets at the joints and edges secure the wings when
> the keyboard is both opened and closed. Two stabilizing tabs fold down from
> the ends to steady the keyboard while you type.
> >
> > During use, the keyboard is surrounded on three sides by solid aluminum.
> When folded, the backs of the wings cover the top, providing durable metal
> protection on all sides. The inner workings are further protected by
> plastic covers over the hinges.
> > The normal-size keys are properly spaced for accurate typing and have a
> crisp and familiar touch, with the precise scissors-type mechanism found on
> quality desktop keyboards.
> > Five rows of regular keys replicate a standard desktop keyboard. A sixth
> row at the top provides shortcuts to many functions in Android and iOS
> devices, while working as keys F1-F12 in Windows. The layout is similar to
> larger laptop keyboards.
> > The fitted case is lined with soft microfiber on the inside to protect
> the keyboard, while a soft leather-like surface on the outside prevents
> marring of your phone and other items during transport. A quick flip of the
> cover turns it into an adjustable stand for your phone or tablet (see
> folding instructions below).
> >
> >
> > FAQ
> > Q: How do I pair this keyboard with my device?
> > A: Make the keyboard discoverable by pressing Fn + C, and pair using the
> Bluetooth software on your device. The State LED will flash blue while in
> discoverable mode and go out when paired. Press Fn + C again to cancel
> discoverable mode.
> > Q: How do I fold the case into a stand?
> > A: Here’s how: 1. Place the closed case flat on the table with the
> Plugable logo facing you to the left and fold out the top and the bottom.
> 2. Fold the top section toward you. 3. Form a triangle with the Plugable
> logo visible at the lower-left. As you fold the top, tuck the magnetic flap
> under until it makes contact with the arrow on the bottom section. The
> magnet will hold the stand together. 4. Move the plastic holder in and out
> to adjust the angle of your device.
> >
> > Q: My keyboard is typing the wrong language! How can I change that?
> > The physical layout of this keyboard was designed for English-language
> users. However, it is possible to change the virtual layout so that key
> presses register as with a keyboard for another language. It is also
> possible for the wrong language to get set for the keyboard causing
> unexpected characters to be typed. You can change the layout and using the
> language settings for the device. Here is how to do it for Android, iOS,
> and Windows:
> > Android
> > 1.Open Settings
> > 2.Scroll down and tap Language and Input. You should see Plugable
> Folding Keyboard under Physical keyboard.
> > 3.Tap Physical Keyboard. Choose Keyboard Layout will appear.
> > 4.At the bottom tap Set Up Keyboard Layouts.
> > 5.On the list that appears, select the language you want. You can
> set 

RE: ending a call using power button?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I tried calling from the land line and depressed the Power Button, and it went 
to Voice Mail. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?

I thought a double press of the power declines the call?

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Right, that is the way mine is too. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom's Gmail
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?
> 
> Pushing the power button when receiving a call, actually, puts the person in 
> to voicemail. I really like this feature because when the phone rings and I 
> am busy, all I have to do is push the power button, and it puts the person 
> and to voicemail and I can check it out later. I love that feature. But as 
> far as I know, the only way to answer a phone call is a two finger double tap 
> to answer, and a two finger double tap to close it. Of course you can also go 
> to the answer by 10 and call just like everybody else do gods and do a one 
> finger double  tap.
> 
> 
> Tom frank
> Dictated on my iPhone
> The message  is mine, the errors I blame on Siri. 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Sadam Ahmed   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power 
> button.
> 
> This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.
> 
> On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
> 
>No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and 
> neither can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X 
> and new iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger 
> double tap to answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call 
> button and double tap it.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> The wolf
>
> 
>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
>
> 
>To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com  
>
> 
>Subject: ending a call using power button?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power 
> button and answer calls using the home button?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on 
> the lader.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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>  FaceTime, iMessage & email
> 
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Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Sounds good! What is tge name of this foldable keyboard?Thamls
Harry

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 19:52, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
> 
> We like this keyboard:
> 
> Description
> For fast typists or those with large hands, most folding keyboards are just 
> too small for comfort! This sturdy Bluetooth keyboard features five rows of 
> standard-sized keys laid out in classic keyboard style and properly spaced 
> for accurate typing. They are topped off by a sixth row of function keys for 
> frequently used Android, iOS, and Windows operations. Yet, when you are ready 
> to go, it folds smaller than a paperback book and fits right in a bag or 
> briefcase with your tablet or phone.
> This Plugable keyboard is elegantly engineered to strike a balance between 
> these competing demands:
> •The full-size keyboard layout features crisp high-quality keys, yet 
> folds into a package smaller than a paperback book.
> •The back and sides are strong but lightweight aluminum. The hinges are 
> stainless steel. This makes it extremely durable.
> •It comes with a soft but strong case that both protects the keyboard and 
> anything else you’d throw in a bag with it.
> •The case transforms into stand for your phone or tablet and adjusts to 
> any angle.
> •The keyboard has special support for Android, Windows, and iOS key 
> functions.
> •Its USB-charged battery lasts for weeks of normal use.
> Details
> This keyboard has two wings that fold out from the center on stainless-steel 
> hinges, offering a large area for typing. Strategically-placed magnets at the 
> joints and edges secure the wings when the keyboard is both opened and 
> closed. Two stabilizing tabs fold down from the ends to steady the keyboard 
> while you type.
> 
> During use, the keyboard is surrounded on three sides by solid aluminum. When 
> folded, the backs of the wings cover the top, providing durable metal 
> protection on all sides. The inner workings are further protected by plastic 
> covers over the hinges.
> The normal-size keys are properly spaced for accurate typing and have a crisp 
> and familiar touch, with the precise scissors-type mechanism found on quality 
> desktop keyboards.
> Five rows of regular keys replicate a standard desktop keyboard. A sixth row 
> at the top provides shortcuts to many functions in Android and iOS devices, 
> while working as keys F1-F12 in Windows. The layout is similar to larger 
> laptop keyboards.
> The fitted case is lined with soft microfiber on the inside to protect the 
> keyboard, while a soft leather-like surface on the outside prevents marring 
> of your phone and other items during transport. A quick flip of the cover 
> turns it into an adjustable stand for your phone or tablet (see folding 
> instructions below).
> 
> 
> FAQ
> Q: How do I pair this keyboard with my device?
> A: Make the keyboard discoverable by pressing Fn + C, and pair using the 
> Bluetooth software on your device. The State LED will flash blue while in 
> discoverable mode and go out when paired. Press Fn + C again to cancel 
> discoverable mode.
> Q: How do I fold the case into a stand?
> A: Here’s how: 1. Place the closed case flat on the table with the Plugable 
> logo facing you to the left and fold out the top and the bottom. 2. Fold the 
> top section toward you. 3. Form a triangle with the Plugable logo visible at 
> the lower-left. As you fold the top, tuck the magnetic flap under until it 
> makes contact with the arrow on the bottom section. The magnet will hold the 
> stand together. 4. Move the plastic holder in and out to adjust the angle of 
> your device.
> 
> Q: My keyboard is typing the wrong language! How can I change that?
> The physical layout of this keyboard was designed for English-language users. 
> However, it is possible to change the virtual layout so that key presses 
> register as with a keyboard for another language. It is also possible for the 
> wrong language to get set for the keyboard causing unexpected characters to 
> be typed. You can change the layout and using the language settings for the 
> device. Here is how to do it for Android, iOS, and Windows:
> Android
> 1.Open Settings
> 2.Scroll down and tap Language and Input. You should see Plugable Folding 
> Keyboard under Physical keyboard.
> 3.Tap Physical Keyboard. Choose Keyboard Layout will appear.
> 4.At the bottom tap Set Up Keyboard Layouts.
> 5.On the list that appears, select the language you want. You can set 
> more than one and switch back and forth if desired.
> 6.Tap the Back key to go back to the previous window. The keyboards you 
> chose should now be available.
> 7.Select the keyboard you want to use
> 8.Tap the home screen button to close Settings.
> iOS
> 1.Open Settings
> 2.Tap on General
> 3.Scroll down and tap on Keyboard.
> 4.Tap on Keyboards
> 5.Tap Add New Keyboard
> 6.From the list, select the keyboard you want to add.
> 7.Tap 

RE: Bi14 experiences?

[Susie Stageberg]

Good idea, Andy. Thanks. Now that I am retired I don't get my hands on the 
latest goodies any more ...

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andy Baracco
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bi14 experiences?

Any such compendium would be out of date within a short time after 
compilation because there are constantly new entries coming out in the 
field.  You might want to go to www.blindbargains.com and peruse their 
articles and podcasts that relate to the exhibits at the recent ACB and NFB 
conventions as well as the CSUN conference in March of this year.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Susie Stageberg" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Bi14 experiences?


I am still pondering which Braille display to get; 14 cells just doesn't 
seem like very many to tell you what the phone is doing. On the other hand, 
it would be compact and easy to toss in a bag. I looked at the Orbit, and 
it's a cute little device, but it's bigger than I thought it would be, as 
far as front-to-back. I realize I am spoiled by the 70-cell Alva I use on 
the desktop and the 32-cell BrailleNote. Maybe 14 isn't so bad?

Is there someplace where someone has reviewed all the different displays 
that you can use with the phone? The NFB used to do this ...

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bi14 experiences?


The exchange rate hits hard.
Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
14 seems to be the new 18.

On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
> difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
> display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they 
> would settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so 
> darn complicated. I guess nothings perfect.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>
>> You're welcome Mary.
>>
>>
>> I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on 
>> that unit is great.
>>
>>
>> I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
>> send it back myself.
>>
>>
>> The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.
>>
>>
>> Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't 
>> loud.
>>
>>
>> Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the 
>> $1350AUD that Humanware charge.
>>
>>
>> Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Sadam Ahmed
>>
>>
>>> On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A 
>>> friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like 
>>> the keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar 
>>> layout in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting 
>>> tomorrow and try to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy 
>>> keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can 
>>> see a focus before laying out that kind of money.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


 I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
 placement.

 They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

 The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
 mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.

 It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in 
 Australia.

 Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
 phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.

 Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to 
 buy. just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.

 All the best,

 Sadam Ahmed

> On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display 
> to an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because 
> it is so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch 
> remote that they have on the fourth generation and following has not 
> appeal to me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as 
> the old system was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing 
> something. I would be curious to know how you are making things 
> efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  
>> wrote:
>>

Re: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Andy Baracco]

I have the Matias keyboard sold by AT guys. It is a little more expensive at 
about $100. It is a full size keyboard with numpad, similar in design to the 
Apple keyboard. The only disadvantage for some is that it does not fold. It 
has incredible battery life, about one year per charge.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Susie Stageberg" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at 
Amazon (I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing 
Numpad doesn't bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take it 
with me, it slips into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the phone 
with this keyboard is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.


Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
great coming from one another's experiences.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Andy Baracco]

You might want to consider the RefreshaBraille from APH. it has 18 cells and 
it is designed in such a way that you can simply turn it around if you would 
rather have the cells on top rather than on the bottom. i had one years ago 
and sold it because I found that I wasnt using it as much as I thought I 
would.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Bi14 experiences?


Well, for whatever it maybe worth, I have decided to return my BI14 that was 
on loan. I just don’t like the keyboard. And frankly, I don’t think the 14 
cell display is what I want. I don’t think they make what I want, because I 
don’t need 40. I want something that does have notetaking capability, but 40 
is too darn expensive!

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


The exchange rate hits hard.
Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
14 seems to be the new 18.


On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 
sale display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish 
they would settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device 
was so darn complicated. I guess nothings perfect.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

You're welcome Mary.


I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard 
on that unit is great.



I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
send it back myself.



The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.


Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't 
loud.



Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the 
$1350AUD that Humanware charge.



Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed



On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. 
A friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like 
the keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar 
layout in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting 
tomorrow and try to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy 
keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can 
see a focus before laying out that kind of money.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
placement.


They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.


It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in 
Australia.


Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and 
my phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.


Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to 
buy. just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.


All the best,

Sadam Ahmed


On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display 
to an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because 
it is so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch 
remote that they have on the fourth generation and following has not 
appeal to me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as 
the old system was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing 
something. I would be curious to know how you are making things 
efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  
wrote:


Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first 
generation focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my 
wife's. I decided to keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : 
fidential information on it. It has some note taking capability and 
works very well with the computer.


I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two 
Apple TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on 
the 14 cell display. But I do like the portability and the joystick 
when using it with the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I 
also like being able to connect it to several devices at once.


My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still 
not working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into 
fixing it as I already have the Braille Sense.


One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you 
sometimes get a different letter. When I typed the letters p and e 
in the word "type" they came that as the letter quite. I have found 
this to be the case on other displays as well.


Barry



Sent from Barry 

Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Andy Baracco]

Any such compendium would be out of date within a short time after 
compilation because there are constantly new entries coming out in the 
field.  You might want to go to www.blindbargains.com and peruse their 
articles and podcasts that relate to the exhibits at the recent ACB and NFB 
conventions as well as the CSUN conference in March of this year.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Susie Stageberg" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Bi14 experiences?


I am still pondering which Braille display to get; 14 cells just doesn't 
seem like very many to tell you what the phone is doing. On the other hand, 
it would be compact and easy to toss in a bag. I looked at the Orbit, and 
it's a cute little device, but it's bigger than I thought it would be, as 
far as front-to-back. I realize I am spoiled by the 70-cell Alva I use on 
the desktop and the 32-cell BrailleNote. Maybe 14 isn't so bad?


Is there someplace where someone has reviewed all the different displays 
that you can use with the phone? The NFB used to do this ...


Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sadam Ahmed

Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bi14 experiences?


The exchange rate hits hard.
Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
14 seems to be the new 18.

On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they 
would settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so 
darn complicated. I guess nothings perfect.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

You're welcome Mary.


I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on 
that unit is great.



I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
send it back myself.



The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.


Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't 
loud.



Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the 
$1350AUD that Humanware charge.



Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed



On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A 
friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like 
the keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar 
layout in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting 
tomorrow and try to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy 
keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can 
see a focus before laying out that kind of money.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
placement.


They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.


It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in 
Australia.


Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.


Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to 
buy. just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.


All the best,

Sadam Ahmed


On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display 
to an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because 
it is so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch 
remote that they have on the fourth generation and following has not 
appeal to me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as 
the old system was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing 
something. I would be curious to know how you are making things 
efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  
wrote:


Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first 
generation focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my 
wife's. I decided to keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : 
fidential information on it. It has some note taking capability and 
works very well with the computer.


I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two 
Apple TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on 
the 14 cell display. But I do like the portability and the joystick 
when using it with the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I 
also like being able to connect it to several devices at once.


My focus 40 was recently 

Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Michael Feir]

I too have been following this talk of keyboards with interest. I still
love my Microsoft Universal Mobile keyboard. I got it a few years ago and
it has served me very well. I think you can get a folding one that's a bit
like the one I have but I don't know if my specific one is still available.
It has a small button on the side of the keyboard for turning the power on
or off. I would have prefered a switch in a place less easy to bump which
has at times turned off my keyboard. You can close the keyboard lid and
it'll go into a standby mode. It wakes up automatically if you open the lid
provided that you haven't turned the keyboard fully off via the side button.

There's a mechanical keyboard on Kickstarter from Hexgears called the X1
that I've decided to back. I've never had a mechanical keyboard but I
constantly hear about how nice they are to use. I can control up to four
devices with it and it's possible to disable the colourful backlighting
which sighted people seems to like on their keyboards. Once that's done,
the battery will last for three months and there's an actual switch to tell
whether the keyboard is on or off. I like that. I chose linear switches
which are supposed to be the quietest. However, there are more noisy clicky
options if people want. The keyboard isn't programmable so you can't change
anything they haven't included a command for or change which keys do what.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:46 PM 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I just got the Logitech K480 yesterday. So far I like it. I got it from
> best buy for about 60 dollars
>
> > On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:02 AM, Kwork  wrote:
> >
> > I agree. It's been a fun experience hearing about these different
> keyboards.
> > :)
> > Travis
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Arlene" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> >
> >
> > Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380
> keyboard.
> > It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard
> you
> > have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
> > logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a
> few
> > other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since
> they
> > all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great,
> just
> > $7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is
> really
> > great coming from one another's experiences.
> >
> > Arlene
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kwork" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> >
> >
> > I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.
> >
> > Dark gray:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380
> >
> > Blue:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1
> >
> > With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
> > seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at
> time
> > of writing.
> >
> > Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
> > preference only.
> > No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
> > There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for
> those
> > wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be
> able
> > to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
> > allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
> > For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck.
> Instead
> > of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and
> oval
> > shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
> > anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break
> something.
> >
> > The positives. So far, everything else.
> > The touch is light.
> > Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
> > possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
> > touch.
> > There is an on/off switch on the side.
> > So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
> > Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
> > Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since
> there
> > is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.
> >
> > So far, well worth the purchase.
> >
> > Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
> > Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on
> her
> > Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
> > Travis
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Arlene" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: 

RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[llumpkin]

We like this keyboard:

Description
For fast typists or those with large hands, most folding keyboards are just too 
small for comfort! This sturdy Bluetooth keyboard features five rows of 
standard-sized keys laid out in classic keyboard style and properly spaced for 
accurate typing. They are topped off by a sixth row of function keys for 
frequently used Android, iOS, and Windows operations. Yet, when you are ready 
to go, it folds smaller than a paperback book and fits right in a bag or 
briefcase with your tablet or phone.
This Plugable keyboard is elegantly engineered to strike a balance between 
these competing demands:
•   The full-size keyboard layout features crisp high-quality keys, yet 
folds into a package smaller than a paperback book.
•   The back and sides are strong but lightweight aluminum. The hinges are 
stainless steel. This makes it extremely durable.
•   It comes with a soft but strong case that both protects the keyboard 
and anything else you’d throw in a bag with it.
•   The case transforms into stand for your phone or tablet and adjusts to 
any angle.
•   The keyboard has special support for Android, Windows, and iOS key 
functions.
•   Its USB-charged battery lasts for weeks of normal use.
Details
This keyboard has two wings that fold out from the center on stainless-steel 
hinges, offering a large area for typing. Strategically-placed magnets at the 
joints and edges secure the wings when the keyboard is both opened and closed. 
Two stabilizing tabs fold down from the ends to steady the keyboard while you 
type.
 
During use, the keyboard is surrounded on three sides by solid aluminum. When 
folded, the backs of the wings cover the top, providing durable metal 
protection on all sides. The inner workings are further protected by plastic 
covers over the hinges.
The normal-size keys are properly spaced for accurate typing and have a crisp 
and familiar touch, with the precise scissors-type mechanism found on quality 
desktop keyboards.
Five rows of regular keys replicate a standard desktop keyboard. A sixth row at 
the top provides shortcuts to many functions in Android and iOS devices, while 
working as keys F1-F12 in Windows. The layout is similar to larger laptop 
keyboards.
The fitted case is lined with soft microfiber on the inside to protect the 
keyboard, while a soft leather-like surface on the outside prevents marring of 
your phone and other items during transport. A quick flip of the cover turns it 
into an adjustable stand for your phone or tablet (see folding instructions 
below).


FAQ
Q: How do I pair this keyboard with my device?
A: Make the keyboard discoverable by pressing Fn + C, and pair using the 
Bluetooth software on your device. The State LED will flash blue while in 
discoverable mode and go out when paired. Press Fn + C again to cancel 
discoverable mode.
Q: How do I fold the case into a stand?
A: Here’s how: 1. Place the closed case flat on the table with the Plugable 
logo facing you to the left and fold out the top and the bottom. 2. Fold the 
top section toward you. 3. Form a triangle with the Plugable logo visible at 
the lower-left. As you fold the top, tuck the magnetic flap under until it 
makes contact with the arrow on the bottom section. The magnet will hold the 
stand together. 4. Move the plastic holder in and out to adjust the angle of 
your device.
 
Q: My keyboard is typing the wrong language! How can I change that?
The physical layout of this keyboard was designed for English-language users. 
However, it is possible to change the virtual layout so that key presses 
register as with a keyboard for another language. It is also possible for the 
wrong language to get set for the keyboard causing unexpected characters to be 
typed. You can change the layout and using the language settings for the 
device. Here is how to do it for Android, iOS, and Windows:
Android
1.  Open Settings
2.  Scroll down and tap Language and Input. You should see Plugable Folding 
Keyboard under Physical keyboard.
3.  Tap Physical Keyboard. Choose Keyboard Layout will appear.
4.  At the bottom tap Set Up Keyboard Layouts.
5.  On the list that appears, select the language you want. You can set 
more than one and switch back and forth if desired.
6.  Tap the Back key to go back to the previous window. The keyboards you 
chose should now be available.
7.  Select the keyboard you want to use
8.  Tap the home screen button to close Settings.
iOS
1.  Open Settings
2.  Tap on General
3.  Scroll down and tap on Keyboard.
4.  Tap on Keyboards
5.  Tap Add New Keyboard
6.  From the list, select the keyboard you want to add.
7.  Tap Edit at the top-right to remove or reorder keyboards.
Windows
1.  Right-click Start and select Control Panel.
2.  Under Clock, Language, and Region, select Change Input Methods
3.  Click Add a Language at the upper left
4.  Click on the language 

Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

I just got the Logitech K480 yesterday. So far I like it. I got it from best 
buy for about 60 dollars

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:02 AM, Kwork  wrote:
> 
> I agree. It's been a fun experience hearing about these different keyboards. 
> :)
> Travis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arlene" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
> It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
> have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
> logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
> other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
> all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
> $7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
> great coming from one another's experiences.
> 
> Arlene
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kwork" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.
> 
> Dark gray:
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380
> 
> Blue:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1
> 
> With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
> seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
> of writing.
> 
> Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
> preference only.
> No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
> There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
> wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
> to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
> allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
> For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
> of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
> shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
> anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.
> 
> The positives. So far, everything else.
> The touch is light.
> Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
> possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
> touch.
> There is an on/off switch on the side.
> So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
> Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
> Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
> is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.
> 
> So far, well worth the purchase.
> 
> Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
> Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
> Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
> Travis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arlene" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
> small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
> the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
> Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> 
> I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
> separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
> the cow.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kwork
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
> Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
> instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
> - Original Message - 
> From: Arlene 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation
> 
> That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
> walmart, I'll have to find out which ones they are.
> 
> Arlene
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Kwork 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:38 PM
> Subject: 

Re: An App called SongsterrAwesome. I just got it. Will definitely play with this as it does seem to be quite accessible.

[Lynn White]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know that some people on this list have used Amazing Slow Downer, which has 
> a lot of the same features.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:42 AM, lynn white  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone had success with this app?  If not, are there similar apps that 
>> are more accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> For those who may not know, this app allows such things as loops, varying 
>> the rate of a song without affecting the pitch and it allows you to isolate 
>> various instruments.  Thanks for any help.
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Re: ending a call using power button?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

I thought a double press of the power declines the call?

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Right, that is the way mine is too. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom's Gmail
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?
> 
> Pushing the power button when receiving a call, actually, puts the person in 
> to voicemail. I really like this feature because when the phone rings and I 
> am busy, all I have to do is push the power button, and it puts the person 
> and to voicemail and I can check it out later. I love that feature. But as 
> far as I know, the only way to answer a phone call is a two finger double tap 
> to answer, and a two finger double tap to close it. Of course you can also go 
> to the answer by 10 and call just like everybody else do gods and do a one 
> finger double  tap.
> 
> 
> Tom frank
> Dictated on my iPhone
> The message  is mine, the errors I blame on Siri. 
> 
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Sadam Ahmed   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power 
> button.
> 
> This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.
> 
> On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
> 
>No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and 
> neither can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X 
> and new iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger 
> double tap to answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call 
> button and double tap it.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>-Original Message-
>
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> The wolf
>
> 
>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
>
> 
>To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com  
>
> 
>Subject: ending a call using power button?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power 
> button and answer calls using the home button?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on 
> the lader.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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RE: ending a call using power button?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Right, that is the way mine is too. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Tom's Gmail
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?

Pushing the power button when receiving a call, actually, puts the person in to 
voicemail. I really like this feature because when the phone rings and I am 
busy, all I have to do is push the power button, and it puts the person and to 
voicemail and I can check it out later. I love that feature. But as far as I 
know, the only way to answer a phone call is a two finger double tap to answer, 
and a two finger double tap to close it. Of course you can also go to the 
answer by 10 and call just like everybody else do gods and do a one finger 
double  tap.


Tom frank
Dictated on my iPhone
The message  is mine, the errors I blame on Siri. 

On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Sadam Ahmed mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com> > wrote:



Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power button.

This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.

On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and 
neither can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X 
and new iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double 
tap to answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button 
and double tap it.








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To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com  


Subject: ending a call using power button?





Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power 
button and answer calls using the home button?





I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure 
on the lader.









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RE: ending a call using power button?

[Carolyn Arnold]

I tried it on my SE, and the Power button works to end a call, but, then, the 
SE has a Power Button. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power button.

This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.

On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and neither 
> can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X and new 
> iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double tap to 
> answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button and 
> double tap it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> The wolf
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
> To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ending a call using power button?
>
> Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power button 
> and answer calls using the home button?
>
> I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on the 
> lader.
>
>

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RE: Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Susie Stageberg]

I bought a Logitech 380 for my phone and really like it. I paid $35 at Amazon 
(I don't have Prime.) I echo everything Travis says. The missing Numpad doesn't 
bother me, and the touch isn't an issue. If I want to take it with me, it slips 
into my bag with nary a complaint. Navigating on the phone with this keyboard 
is really slick. I'd give it three thumbs up.

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard. 
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you 
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other 
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few 
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they 
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just 
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really 
great coming from one another's experiences.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
walmart, I'll have to find out which ones they are.

Arlene

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From: Kwork 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: 

Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Mary Otten]

Well, for whatever it maybe worth, I have decided to return my BI14 that was on 
loan. I just don’t like the keyboard. And frankly, I don’t think the 14 cell 
display is what I want. I don’t think they make what I want, because I don’t 
need 40. I want something that does have notetaking capability, but 40 is too 
darn expensive! 
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> The exchange rate hits hard.
> Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
> 14 seems to be the new 18.
> 
>> On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
>> difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
>> display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they 
>> would settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so 
>> darn complicated. I guess nothings perfect.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're welcome Mary.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on 
>>> that unit is great.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
>>> send it back myself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't   loud.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the $1350AUD 
>>> that Humanware charge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
 Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A 
 friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the 
 keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout 
 in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try 
 to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I 
 will reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can see a focus before 
 laying out that kind of money.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
> placement.
> 
> They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.
> 
> The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
> mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.
> 
> It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.
> 
> Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
> phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.
> 
> Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. 
> just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
>> On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to 
>> an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is 
>> so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote 
>> that they have on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to 
>> me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as the old 
>> system was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing something. I would 
>> be curious to know how you are making things efficient with your BI 14 
>> on your Apple TV.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation 
>>> focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided 
>>> to keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on 
>>> it. It has some note taking capability and works very well with the 
>>> computer.
>>> 
>>> I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two 
>>> Apple TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 
>>> 14 cell display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when 
>>> using it with the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like 
>>> being able to connect it to several devices at once.
>>> 
>>> My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still 
>>> not working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing 
>>> it as I already have the Braille Sense.
>>> 
>>> One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you 
>>> sometimes get a different letter. When I typed the 

RE: Bi14 experiences?

[Susie Stageberg]

I am still pondering which Braille display to get; 14 cells just doesn't seem 
like very many to tell you what the phone is doing. On the other hand, it would 
be compact and easy to toss in a bag. I looked at the Orbit, and it's a cute 
little device, but it's bigger than I thought it would be, as far as 
front-to-back. I realize I am spoiled by the 70-cell Alva I use on the desktop 
and the 32-cell BrailleNote. Maybe 14 isn't so bad? 

Is there someplace where someone has reviewed all the different displays that 
you can use with the phone? The NFB used to do this ...

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bi14 experiences?


The exchange rate hits hard.
Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
14 seems to be the new 18.

On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
> difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
> display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they would 
> settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so darn 
> complicated. I guess nothings perfect.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>
>> You're welcome Mary.
>>
>>
>> I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on 
>> that unit is great.
>>
>>
>> I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
>> send it back myself.
>>
>>
>> The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.
>>
>>
>> Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't   loud.
>>
>>
>> Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the $1350AUD 
>> that Humanware charge.
>>
>>
>> Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Sadam Ahmed
>>
>>
>>> On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A 
>>> friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the 
>>> keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout 
>>> in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try 
>>> to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I 
>>> will reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can see a focus before 
>>> laying out that kind of money.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


 I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
 placement.

 They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

 The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
 mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.

 It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.

 Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
 phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.

 Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. 
 just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.

 All the best,

 Sadam Ahmed

> On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to 
> an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is 
> so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote 
> that they have on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to 
> me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as the old system 
> was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing something. I would be 
> curious to know how you are making things efficient with your BI 14 on 
> your Apple TV.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation 
>> focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided 
>> to keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on 
>> it. It has some note taking capability and works very well with the 
>> computer.
>>
>> I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two 
>> Apple TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 
>> 14 cell display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when 
>> using it with the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like 
>> being able to connect it to several devices at once.
>>
>> My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
>> working correctly and I am not 

Re: An App called Songsterr

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I know that some people on this list have used Amazing Slow Downer, which has a 
lot of the same features.

Best,
Anna


> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:42 AM, lynn white  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had success with this app?  If not, are there similar apps that 
> are more accessible?
> 
> 
> For those who may not know, this app allows such things as loops, varying the 
> rate of a song without affecting the pitch and it allows you to isolate 
> various instruments.  Thanks for any help.
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Issues with iPhone either not wanting to sleep or power off button randomly appearing

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Hello list,

So as the subject line says, my iPhone SE has recently been giving me weird
issues with either the power off screen popping up and or the phone not
wanting to go to sleep when I press the power button.

I started noticing it maybe four or five weeks ago, but it’s been way more
frequent these past couple of weeks and happens a lot now. 

I’ve already a couple of times accidentally turned the phone off by
inadvertently pressing the power off button, but it’s more of an annoyance
and frustration than anything else. Especially when I can’t get the phone to
go to sleep. It’ll also randomally wake up.

Anyone dealt with this issue? I’ve already reset all settings per Apple’s
instructions for an unrelated issue and while that particular problem so far
hasn’t shown up since doing that, the power off thing is still going strong.

The phone’s going on two years and I intend to finally upgrade this year
once the new models come out, but in the meantime, I’m dealing with this.

Thanks,

Cristobal

 

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Re: Thermostat again

[Rick Alfaro]

If you are looking for a thermostat that you can control with Alexa, I 
can suggest the Nest Learning thermostat. It's one of the more expensive 
choices at around $200 to $250 or so.




On 8/13/2018 3:33 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone wrote:


HI,

I haven’t previously been in the market for a new thermostat, but 
found out this morning I need to get one urgently, if I want to stay 
cool in our current heat.


I’ll be checking the Archive for comments, but I need to know quickly 
when talking to the electrician for which thermostat is best.


In case I don’t get through the Archived material in time, can those 
in the know suggest best or several good VO accessible thermostats, 
and which to avoid?


Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi Again Donna,

We have tested the app at a school for visually impaired students here in 
Brisbane, and the reactions were great, some hilarious and very cute. We will 
be going around a few other schools and capture some videos of the reactions 
too.

Hopefully, this app will help bring inclusion to the STEM subjects at schools 
and educational facilities, as many of us do have an interest in the sciences, 
the stars and physics, and can greatly benefit from it.

In any case, your email subscription has been received. You should get the 
invite next morning Brisbane time.

have a great day 



> On 15 Aug 2018, at 1:50 am, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am very interested in beta testing the app. This app sounds interesting. My 
> 8 year old, who is legally blind, is very interested in astronomy. 
> 
> Donna 
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> A quick introduction of myself.
>>> 
>>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>>> Australia.
>>> 
>>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with 
>>> an attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located 
>>> on earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>>> dawn. 
>>> 
>>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>>> 
>>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, 
>>> through the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>>> 
>>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>>> 
>>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot 
>>> of stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, 
>>> when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a 
>>> lot of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either 
>>> visual, sound, touch or voice.
>>> 
>>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>>> those stars and their properties.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio 
>>> of me playing around with it:
>>> 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
  
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
>>> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet 
>>> but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 
>>> without issues).
>>> 
>>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
>>> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
>>> 
>>> have a great week y'all,
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> OSS (Operating System Stack)
>>> Oseyeris
>>> www.oseyeris.com 
>>> Skype: Shainobi1 
>>> twitter: @triple7
>>> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/ 
>>> 
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi Donna,

You can register your email for the beta through the following link:

>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts 
>> 

if you have any issues, please let me know. Just be aware that right now, the 
app works best with devices starting on a 6s, but will very soon have it 
working on devices down to 5s.


Have a great day 



> On 15 Aug 2018, at 1:50 am, Donna  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am very interested in beta testing the app. This app sounds interesting. My 
> 8 year old, who is legally blind, is very interested in astronomy. 
> 
> Donna 
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> A quick introduction of myself.
>>> 
>>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>>> Australia.
>>> 
>>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with 
>>> an attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located 
>>> on earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>>> dawn. 
>>> 
>>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>>> 
>>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, 
>>> through the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>>> 
>>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>>> 
>>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot 
>>> of stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, 
>>> when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a 
>>> lot of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either 
>>> visual, sound, touch or voice.
>>> 
>>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>>> those stars and their properties.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio 
>>> of me playing around with it:
>>> 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
  
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
>>> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet 
>>> but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 
>>> without issues).
>>> 
>>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
>>> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
>>> 
>>> have a great week y'all,
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> OSS (Operating System Stack)
>>> Oseyeris
>>> www.oseyeris.com 
>>> Skype: Shainobi1 
>>> twitter: @triple7
>>> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/ 
>>> 
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Re: Audio Description On Dish follow up answer after checking same channels and interested shows scott

[Peter Logan]

Change your audio feed to Spanish… It works…

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Scott, after you asked about the audio description with the 3 shows you and 
> your wife are interested in, we checked these same channels on our dish and 
> we didn't hear the audio description. it simply doesn't work. However we're 
> fortunate to have cox contour, and the audio descriptions comes through 
> without no problem on these same 2 channels for these shows. We have a few 
> other major ongoing isues with dish, so this is just another log to throw on 
> the fire. We're really working diligently to get these issues resolved. 
> Please keep in touch, because we're concerned about the audio description 
> from dish, which we hadn't look into in quite a while, so thanks for asking 
> your question.
> 
> Arlene
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:19 PM
> Subject: Audio Description On Dish
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service 
>> in regards to being able to access audio description on those programs that 
>> offer it.
>> 
>> 
>> We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
>> satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs 
>> that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the description. 
>> There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in on these 
>> channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just learned is 
>> described), and on TNT Law and Order.
>> 
>> 
>> I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
>> have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
>> strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
>> description it works just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
>> fixed this for us.
>> 
>> 
>> So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
>> that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi harry,

Sorry for the experience you had when it first crashed. We are working now to 
fix this ASAP.

Yes, you start by hearing one of NASA's launch sequences and you are in a 
spaceship looking at the stars. I've had another comment about the volume not 
being loud enough. It was so that you can experience the app on the headphones, 
but speaker volume is not loud enough. This will be fixed within the next 
coming days with a volume slider. For now though, if you put your headhones on, 
you will hear everything clearly. Move the phone around and you will hear all 
the constellations exactly where they are meant to be in the sky.

For the controls, they are actually mentioned in the test flight app along with 
bug fixes and features, but I will list the controls here:

two finger swipe 
Up for planets
left for manmade satellites
right for moons
down for constellations


When you selected an object, you will feel a tic from the phone. The faster the 
tick, the closer you are from the object you are looking for, as you move and 
orient the phone around in a spherical space.

Once you hear Leah anouncing the name of the object, do a pinch out gesture to 
focus on the object.

Pinch in to zoom back out to the space ship.

If you have a bit of sight left, when zoomed in, you can orbit around the 
object by dragging your finger around.

As I mentioned in the audio demo, We haven't exposed the information for all 
the objects yet, as I am working on making the voice completely filtered with 
echo and reverb.

Finally, another feature is using your voice. Double tap on the screen, and 
Leah will say "yes", at which point you can say things like "where's Mars" or 
"search for Neptune" etc.

Please let me know if you have issues and I'll get back to you ASAP.



> On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:33 am, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have downloaded the beta on my iPhone 7 plus running iOS 11.4.1 and on my 
> 2018 ipad running ios 12 latest beta. The app opened on both devices, i gave 
> it permissions to access location and microphone. The app then crashed back 
> to home screen on both devices. When i reopened the app, there was a ten 
> second pause and then i heard some Cape Canaveral-like commentary which was 
> almost inaudible and a slightly louder voice naming constellations as i moved 
> my device. Even on full volume, itwas a struggle to hear much. No buttons or 
> tabs were detected by voiceover, so i had no instructions about what to do 
> and i have no idea whati can do via the microphone (as the app asked to use 
> my device microphone for voice commands, i assume tgere must be some). 
> How do i get started?
> Thanks
> Harry in UK
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 11:27, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> Just wanted to make sure you got the invite? It seems so far with our tests, 
>> the app has some issues with iphone 5s and 6 as the CPU architecture is 
>> older on these devices. Hopefully you have something more recent.
>> 
>> Have a great day
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 5:40 am, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OOoo!...   wonderful, so very wonderful, if it can really do all that. I 
>>> kinda borrowed a particularly good 1st year degree level 
>>> course notes in astro-physics years ago and still re-read it.  Never saw 
>>> well enough to see stars, just sun and moon.  Not even that 
>>> now mind.
>>> 
>>> But yes, this would be fascinating to try, will deal with that in a bit.
>>> 
>>> What version of iOws will it work down to?  I am Not a slavish follower of 
>>> versions while the one I have works with what I have. 
>>> There's so many stories of new downloads crippling perfectly good old ones.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks and all the best with it,  BobH.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Yuma Decaux" 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:15 PM
>>> Subject: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> A quick introduction of myself.
>>> 
>>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>>> Australia.
>>> 
>>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't 
>>> always like that. I still remember summer nights when the sky was clear 
>>> enough to see the Milky Way, the planets through the lens of 
>>> a telescope, and the first images of constellations with their beautiful 
>>> nebulas came out.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory 
>>> dimensions, with an attention to those who are partially sighted too, 
>>> wherever I am located on earth. if I look for the sun, the 
>>> phone will orient me to its exact location.
>>> 
>>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>>> dawn.
>>> 
>>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 

Re: Audio Description On Dish follow up answer after checking same channels and interested shows scott

[Arlene]

Scott, after you asked about the audio description with the 3 shows you and 
your wife are interested in, we checked these same channels on our dish and 
we didn't hear the audio description. it simply doesn't work. However we're 
fortunate to have cox contour, and the audio descriptions comes through 
without no problem on these same 2 channels for these shows. We have a few 
other major ongoing isues with dish, so this is just another log to throw on 
the fire. We're really working diligently to get these issues resolved. 
Please keep in touch, because we're concerned about the audio description 
from dish, which we hadn't look into in quite a while, so thanks for asking 
your question.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Rumery" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:19 PM
Subject: Audio Description On Dish



Hello,


I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service 
in regards to being able to access audio description on those programs 
that offer it.



We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs 
that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the 
description. There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in 
on these channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just 
learned is described), and on TNT Law and Order.



I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
description it works just fine.



I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
fixed this for us.



So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?



Thank You,



Scott

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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Donna]

Hi,

I am very interested in beta testing the app. This app sounds interesting. My 8 
year old, who is legally blind, is very interested in astronomy. 

Donna 
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> A quick introduction of myself.
>> 
>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>> Australia.
>> 
>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>> 
>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
>> attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
>> earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.
>> 
>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>> dawn. 
>> 
>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>> 
>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through 
>> the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>> 
>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>> 
>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
>> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
>> they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot 
>> of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, 
>> sound, touch or voice.
>> 
>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>> those stars and their properties.
>> 
>> 
>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
>> me playing around with it:
>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>> 
>> 
>> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
>> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet 
>> but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
>> issues).
>> 
>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
>> 
>> 
>> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
>> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
>> 
>> have a great week y'all,
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> OSS (Operating System Stack)
>> Oseyeris
>> www.oseyeris.com
>> Skype: Shainobi1 
>> twitter: @triple7
>> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

 I have downloaded the beta on my iPhone 7 plus running iOS 11.4.1 and on my 
2018 ipad running ios 12 latest beta. The app opened on both devices, i gave it 
permissions to access location and microphone. The app then crashed back to 
home screen on both devices. When i reopened the app, there was a ten second 
pause and then i heard some Cape Canaveral-like commentary which was almost 
inaudible and a slightly louder voice naming constellations as i moved my 
device. Even on full volume, itwas a struggle to hear much. No buttons or tabs 
were detected by voiceover, so i had no instructions about what to do and i 
have no idea whati can do via the microphone (as the app asked to use my device 
microphone for voice commands, i assume tgere must be some). 
How do i get started?
Thanks
Harry in UK

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 11:27, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> Just wanted to make sure you got the invite? It seems so far with our tests, 
> the app has some issues with iphone 5s and 6 as the CPU architecture is older 
> on these devices. Hopefully you have something more recent.
> 
> Have a great day
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 5:40 am, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OOoo!...   wonderful, so very wonderful, if it can really do all that. I 
>> kinda borrowed a particularly good 1st year degree level 
>> course notes in astro-physics years ago and still re-read it.  Never saw 
>> well enough to see stars, just sun and moon.  Not even that 
>> now mind.
>> 
>> But yes, this would be fascinating to try, will deal with that in a bit.
>> 
>> What version of iOws will it work down to?  I am Not a slavish follower of 
>> versions while the one I have works with what I have. 
>> There's so many stories of new downloads crippling perfectly good old ones.
>> 
>> Many thanks and all the best with it,  BobH.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Yuma Decaux" 
>> To: 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:15 PM
>> Subject: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> A quick introduction of myself.
>> 
>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>> Australia.
>> 
>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't 
>> always like that. I still remember summer nights when the sky was clear 
>> enough to see the Milky Way, the planets through the lens of 
>> a telescope, and the first images of constellations with their beautiful 
>> nebulas came out.
>> 
>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory 
>> dimensions, with an attention to those who are partially sighted too, 
>> wherever I am located on earth. if I look for the sun, the 
>> phone will orient me to its exact location.
>> 
>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>> dawn.
>> 
>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, 
>> near earth objects, constellations, major stars and find information about 
>> them all, I thought it appropriate to put both gods of 
>> the sky in the same name.
>> 
>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects 
>> within the confines of the solar system, and updates itself automatically 
>> for the more than 118000 stars which are visible to the 
>> naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away galaxies, their names, 
>> categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
>> spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
>> astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>> 
>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding 
>> new ways to allow those of us who are blind to access such information, and 
>> really have a sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>> 
>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
>> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are 
>> named and why, when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact 
>> location. I spend a lot of time reflecting on how to make 
>> this magic better using either visual, sound, touch or voice.
>> 
>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations 
>> interpreted as chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and 
>> clangy metallic chimes those older stars which are 
>> cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls coursing through the 3D space, and i 
>> am thinking of other ways to represent those stars and 
>> their properties.
>> 
>> 
>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
>> me playing around with 

Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

yuma,
I haven't done it yet, I've been having iPhone woes! I am running the latest 
version of iOS on an iPhone eight. I shall try your link right now!
Later, Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 11:25, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> 
> Thank you for such kind words. it gives me a big boost to continue and add 
> features to Astreos :)
> 
> I didn't see your email in the list on my backend. Were you able to send the 
> contact form? you can alternatively send me an email directly so I can add 
> you.
> 
> Also, just to check, what iphone version do you have?
> 
> 
> Have a great day 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 8:18 pm, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> yuma,
>> Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
>> excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
>> think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
>> skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.
>> 
>> from Sandy, in Ireland.
>> 
>> Sent from The dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> A quick introduction of myself.
>>> 
>>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>>> Australia.
>>> 
>>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with 
>>> an attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located 
>>> on earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>>> dawn. 
>>> 
>>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>>> 
>>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, 
>>> through the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>>> 
>>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>>> 
>>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot 
>>> of stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, 
>>> when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a 
>>> lot of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either 
>>> visual, sound, touch or voice.
>>> 
>>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>>> those stars and their properties.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio 
>>> of me playing around with it:
>>> 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
>>> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet 
>>> but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 
>>> without issues).
>>> 
>>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
>>> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
>>> 
>>> have a great week y'all,
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> OSS (Operating System Stack)
>>> Oseyeris
>>> www.oseyeris.com
>>> Skype: Shainobi1 
>>> twitter: @triple7
>>> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Alexa App and alarms

[Gordon]

So earlier I went into my Alexa app to delete the alarms that had 
collected on my echo and couldn't do it. I hit the menu button and then 
alarms, but it did nothing when I clicked on alarms from the alarms, 
reminders and timers area. In the passed it would take you to your list 
of alarms that give you the ability to click them to edit or delete 
them. Does anyone else have this issue? I guess I'll have to try it on 
the computer. Even if you cancel an alarm, it hangs around in there. I'm 
not a big fan of stuff just collecting like that. I eventually like to 
clean things up.


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Re: ending a call using power button?

[Tom's Gmail]

Pushing the power button when receiving a call, actually, puts the person in to 
voicemail. I really like this feature because when the phone rings and I am 
busy, all I have to do is push the power button, and it puts the person and to 
voicemail and I can check it out later. I love that feature. But as far as I 
know, the only way to answer a phone call is a two finger double tap to answer, 
and a two finger double tap to close it. Of course you can also go to the 
answer by 10 and call just like everybody else do gods and do a one finger 
double  tap.

Tom frank
Dictated on my iPhone
The message  is mine, the errors I blame on Siri. 

On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:34 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power button.

This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.

> On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and neither 
> can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X and new 
> iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double tap to 
> answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button and 
> double tap it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of The 
> wolf
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
> To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ending a call using power button?
> 
> Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power button 
> and answer calls using the home button?
> 
> I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on the 
> lader.
> 
> 

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An App called Songsterr

[lynn white]

Has anyone had success with this app?  If not, are there similar apps 
that are more accessible?



For those who may not know, this app allows such things as loops, 
varying the rate of a song without affecting the pitch and it allows you 
to isolate various instruments.  Thanks for any help.


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Re: Small camera

[Judy Pryor]

Thanks Sieghard I remember now about hearing about the camera on the dog  
harness.

Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 04:34, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> No, there is no camera on the Apple Watch. 
> Jessica, if Judy wanted to tell she probablywould have *smile*.
> Judy, as for these types of cameras you would want something like the Go Pro 
> or similar which can record continuously and for hours when you rare out and 
> about. If you had to turn it on each time something was going on you might as 
> well use the video camera on your iPhone. 
> I heard of a guy in England who put a Go Pro on his dog's harness, it's 
> probably not that noticeable and this way it's always on and it will most 
> likely get most things in front of you and to the side, it wouldn't get 
> somebpody who came up from behind you and tripeed you or snatched your purse, 
> but let's hope it won't be needed for that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Small camera
> 
> Would an Apple watch have a camera? Like maybe it would do the camera thing 
> and other stuff too? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Judy Pryor
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> 
> Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
> pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one model it has simple 
> voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called Akaso which is 
> much cheaper with a remote control on your wrist. 
> I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will 
> consult my family when they return from Spain. 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Judy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
>> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a 
>> few cameras.
>> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
>> investment of several hundred Dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> goshawk on horseback
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Small camera
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go 
>> pro, or tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
>> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick 
>> head drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Judy Pryor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Small camera
>> 
>> 
>> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today 
>> somethin really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to 
>> whether a small camera or anything else could help.  I am using an 
>> iPhone SE running 10.3.3 with voiceover.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Small camera

[Judy Pryor]

What would you search for if you are looking for these glasses.

Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Aug 2018, at 07:48, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> I've not read much of the thread, but suspect we're looking for a camera that 
> one can activate on the fly  immediately, at will, and 
> discretely.  I have some artificial specs with built in camera,  low res no 
> doubt, but built into the frame; it has a pocket remote, 
> and is also capable of playing music.  Indeed, if challenged, one can 
> demonstrate this aspect and keep quiet about the camera side. 
> But clicking buttons on the remote does give sound feedback through the 
> ear;iece in the frames.  I've had this unused for a while, 
> but they are still about in improved versions by now. They come in other 
> forms of clip-on,  but Bro and me prefer the headsup 
> aspect.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Small camera
> 
> 
> Would an Apple watch have a camera? Like maybe it would do the camera thing 
> and other stuff too?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Judy Pryor
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> 
> Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
> pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one 
> model it has simple voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make 
> called Akaso which is much cheaper with a remote control on 
> your wrist.
> I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will 
> consult my family when they return from Spain.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Judy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
>> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a 
>> brand, they make quite a few cameras.
>> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
>> investment of several hundred Dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> goshawk on horseback
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Small camera
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go
>> pro, or tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
>> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick
>> head drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Judy Pryor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Small camera
>> 
>> 
>> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today
>> somethin really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to
>> whether a small camera or anything else could help.  I am using an
>> iPhone SE running 10.3.3 with voiceover.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi Rob,

Just wanted to make sure you got the invite? It seems so far with our tests, 
the app has some issues with iphone 5s and 6 as the CPU architecture is older 
on these devices. Hopefully you have something more recent.

Have a great day


> On 13 Aug 2018, at 5:40 am, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> OOoo!...   wonderful, so very wonderful, if it can really do all that. I 
> kinda borrowed a particularly good 1st year degree level 
> course notes in astro-physics years ago and still re-read it.  Never saw well 
> enough to see stars, just sun and moon.  Not even that 
> now mind.
> 
> But yes, this would be fascinating to try, will deal with that in a bit.
> 
> What version of iOws will it work down to?  I am Not a slavish follower of 
> versions while the one I have works with what I have. 
> There's so many stories of new downloads crippling perfectly good old ones.
> 
> Many thanks and all the best with it,  BobH.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Yuma Decaux" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:15 PM
> Subject: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A quick introduction of myself.
> 
> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
> Australia.
> 
> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't 
> always like that. I still remember summer nights when the sky was clear 
> enough to see the Milky Way, the planets through the lens of 
> a telescope, and the first images of constellations with their beautiful 
> nebulas came out.
> 
> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory 
> dimensions, with an attention to those who are partially sighted too, 
> wherever I am located on earth. if I look for the sun, the 
> phone will orient me to its exact location.
> 
> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
> dawn.
> 
> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, 
> near earth objects, constellations, major stars and find information about 
> them all, I thought it appropriate to put both gods of 
> the sky in the same name.
> 
> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
> follows in mission critical precision all objects 
> within the confines of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for 
> the more than 118000 stars which are visible to the 
> naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away galaxies, their names, 
> categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
> spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
> astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
> 
> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding 
> new ways to allow those of us who are blind to access such information, and 
> really have a sense of where all of this is in the sky.
> 
> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are 
> named and why, when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact 
> location. I spend a lot of time reflecting on how to make 
> this magic better using either visual, sound, touch or voice.
> 
> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations 
> interpreted as chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and 
> clangy metallic chimes those older stars which are 
> cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls coursing through the 3D space, and i am 
> thinking of other ways to represent those stars and 
> their properties.
> 
> 
> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
> me playing around with it:
> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>>  
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be 
> completely stable yet but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones 
> down to the 6 without issues).
> 
> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts 
> 
> 
> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
> 
> have a great week y'all,
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> OSS (Operating System Stack)
> Oseyeris
> www.oseyeris.com 
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: @triple7
> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/
> 
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi Sandy,

Thank you for such kind words. it gives me a big boost to continue and add 
features to Astreos :)

I didn't see your email in the list on my backend. Were you able to send the 
contact form? you can alternatively send me an email directly so I can add you.

Also, just to check, what iphone version do you have?


Have a great day 



> On 13 Aug 2018, at 8:18 pm, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> yuma,
> Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
> excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
> think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
> skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.
> 
> from Sandy, in Ireland.
> 
> Sent from The dark side of the moon
> 
> On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> A quick introduction of myself.
>> 
>> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
>> Australia.
>> 
>> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
>> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
>> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
>> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
>> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
>> 
>> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
>> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
>> attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
>> earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.
>> 
>> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
>> dawn. 
>> 
>> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
>> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
>> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
>> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
>> 
>> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system 
>> which follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines 
>> of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 
>> 118000 stars which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, 
>> including far away galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what 
>> chemical elements or spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through 
>> the largest astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
>> 
>> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
>> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
>> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a 
>> sense of where all of this is in the sky.
>> 
>> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
>> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
>> they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot 
>> of time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, 
>> sound, touch or voice.
>> 
>> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
>> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
>> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
>> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
>> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
>> those stars and their properties.
>> 
>> 
>> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
>> me playing around with it:
>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
>> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet 
>> but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
>> issues).
>> 
>> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts 
>> 
>> 
>> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
>> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
>> 
>> have a great week y'all,
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> OSS (Operating System Stack)
>> Oseyeris
>> www.oseyeris.com 
>> Skype: Shainobi1 
>> twitter: @triple7
>> linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/ 
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Logitech Keys-To-Go For iOS

[Nene]

Hello, does any body’s using this  Logitech Keys-To-Go For iOS keyboard in your 
iPhone?

Would like to hear your experience, or views on it.

Nene

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Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

[Dave]

Hi Arlene, no, i can’t really think of any downside, except maybe, it could 
make the switch a bit loose after some time, and it could possibly keep 
switching it’s self on and off.

The standby time can be upto 5 minutes, and remember, it is only using power, 
when you press a key.

Dave.


From: Arlene 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

Dave, everything you said is correct, however we find that, allowing it to go 
into sleep mode, is a little slow, compared to using the on and off switch 
which is instant. When you're at home is there a reason not to use it that way? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard


  Hi, The on off switch, on these keyboards, is for when you are traveling, and 
packing your keyboard away, so the buttons don’t get pressed, as that will 
activate the keyboard, and use up battery.

  If you are using the keyboard, when you are not traveling, then it will go 
into sleep mode, usually within a minute or 2, of inactivity.

  Dave.


  From: Arlene 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:46 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

  Bill, We have 3 of these black webb keyboards, and in 3 months time, so far, 
the rechargable batteries in the keyboard is long lasting, since they haven't 
needed charging up yet. The battery status doesn't show up in the phone, we've 
looked. We navigate on the screen of the phone more than using the keyboard so 
far, so  it might depend on one's usage of the keyboard. Even if we began using 
the keyboard more, I think this battery would last a good while. One really 
wonderful thing about this keyboard is that it has a slide button, to turn the 
keyboard off or to turn it on. So when we're not using the keyboard we slide 
that button off. In fact one keyboard that we have has been turned off each 
time, it was used, and the other keyboard has never been turned off, and it's 
been on for the whole 3 months, and neither  one needs charging yet. So since 
we've only had these keyboards for 3 months so far, it will be interesting to 
see in time how it goes, and how long it will be when we need to recharge the 
battery. It seems to me that the keyboard would work on all of the phones sold 
in the store, including the more recent ones, as the x, your phone the 8 plus 
and 8 and others. I'll find the box to the keyboard and see if it specifically 
says it's only for certain iphones or ipad mini models  which it was actually 
designed for, though we use it with our se phones. While I get the information 
from the box, since black webb is one of the brands that walmart sells possibly 
you could call your local walmart to ask them if this keyboard would work with 
your phone, or you could call the walmart headquarters and talk to the 
walmart.com department ask if your phone, the 8 plus phone will work  with the 
keyboard. I know the walmart.com is for shopping online, but I've called before 
to find out about products a few times, since I don't buy anything online.  
When you ask about it, it's the black webb keyboard that costs about $20.

  Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Outman 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

Hello, all.  

 

I’ve been impressed by this Black Web keyboard everyone has been 
discussing.  

 

I have a couple questions.  Will it work with my 8 Plus?  Arlene, you 
mentioned it has USB charging capability; how do I tell the level of charge and 
when it needs charging as I am totally blind?  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

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Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Kwork]

I agree. It's been a fun experience hearing about these different keyboards. 
:)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard.
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really
great coming from one another's experiences.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
walmart, I'll have to find out which ones they are.

Arlene

- Original Message - 
From: Kwork 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Arlene, thanks much. When we looked at WalMart out here, they didn't have
any in stock that we could find. We ended up ordering the Logitech K380
Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard from Amazon for $27 with Prime.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Arlene]

Travis, thank you for this complete review about the logitech 380  keyboard. 
It sounds like  a great keyboard. I'm not sure, but I think the keyboard you 
have has been recomended here on the list before, besides some other 
logitech key boards, such as the 780,  and I think there was 480, and a few 
other model numbers. We're interested in seeing these keyboards since they 
all seem like good keyboards. The price for your 380 is really great, just 
$7 more than the black webb one. The exchange of these keyboards is really 
great coming from one another's experiences.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Kwork" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight.
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
walmart, I'll have to find out which ones they are.

Arlene

- Original Message - 
From: Kwork 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Arlene, thanks much. When we looked at WalMart out here, they didn't have
any in stock that we could find. We ended up ordering the Logitech K380
Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard from Amazon for $27 with Prime.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, one of the bluetooth keyboards we have is the black webb keyboard.
It says it was made for the ipad, but we use 

Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Dark sideo f the Moon, is a Pink floyd album,  a great classic, with very 
emotive tracks.  Suspect that a more likely connection 
than the hidden L'grange point mentioned, which is in fact only dark half the 
time.

space is l8ike that.

R.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jewel" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos


Sandy!  If you are on "the dark side of the moon" how is it that I am recieving 
your emails?  If radio and light waves can't get 
through, what kind of waves transport emails?

Jewel


From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos


yuma,
Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a 
little later today. I think, we are only just beginning to explore the 
possibilities 3-D sound skates. thanks for creating something 
so beautiful and immersive.


from Sandy, in Ireland.


Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:


  Hi Everyone,


  A quick introduction of myself.


  I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
Australia.


  I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't 
always like that. I still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough 
to see the Milky Way, the planets through the lens of 
a telescope, and the first images of constellations with their beautiful 
nebulas came out.


  So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory 
dimensions, with an attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever 
I am located on earth. if I look for the sun, the 
phone will orient me to its exact location.


  Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
dawn.


  As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, 
asteroids, near earth objects, constellations, major stars and find information 
about them all, I thought it appropriate to put both 
gods of the sky in the same name.


  This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
follows in mission critical precision all objects 
within the confines of the solar system, and updates itself automatically for 
the more than 118000 stars which are visible to the 
naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away galaxies, their names, 
categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.


  The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
more content to the app, but more importantly, finding 
new ways to allow those of us who are blind to access such information, and 
really have a sense of where all of this is in the sky.


  My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
stars remain almost static, how some constellations 
are named and why, when they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact 
location. I spend a lot of time reflecting on how to make 
this magic better using either visual, sound, touch or voice.


  You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
audio experience of major stars in the 89 
constellations interpreted as chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn 
stars, and clangy metallic chimes those older stars 
which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls coursing through the 3D space, 
and i am thinking of other ways to represent those 
stars and their properties.




  The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
me playing around with it:



https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0






  If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
email at the following link: (don't expect it to be 
completely stable yet but it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones 
down to the 6 without issues).


  https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts




  Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.


  have a great week y'all,


  Yuma Antoine Decaux
  OSS (Operating System Stack)
  Oseyeris
  www.oseyeris.com
  Skype: Shainobi1
  twitter: @triple7
  linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/

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Re: Small camera

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I've not read much of the thread, but suspect we're looking for a camera that 
one can activate on the fly  immediately, at will, and 
discretely.  I have some artificial specs with built in camera,  low res no 
doubt, but built into the frame; it has a pocket remote, 
and is also capable of playing music.  Indeed, if challenged, one can 
demonstrate this aspect and keep quiet about the camera side. 
But clicking buttons on the remote does give sound feedback through the 
ear;iece in the frames.  I've had this unused for a while, 
but they are still about in improved versions by now. They come in other forms 
of clip-on,  but Bro and me prefer the headsup 
aspect.



- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: Small camera


Would an Apple watch have a camera? Like maybe it would do the camera thing and 
other stuff too?

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Judy Pryor
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small camera

Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one 
model it has simple voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called 
Akaso which is much cheaper with a remote control on 
your wrist.
I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will consult 
my family when they return from Spain.

Kind regards

Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a 
> brand, they make quite a few cameras.
> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
> investment of several hundred Dollars.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> Importance: High
>
> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go
> pro, or tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick
> head drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judy Pryor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
> Subject: Small camera
>
>
> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today
> somethin really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to
> whether a small camera or anything else could help.  I am using an
> iPhone SE running 10.3.3 with voiceover.
>
> Regards
>
> Judy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

[Arlene]

Dave, everything you said is correct, however we find that, allowing it to go 
into sleep mode, is a little slow, compared to using the on and off switch 
which is instant. When you're at home is there a reason not to use it that way? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard



  Hi, The on off switch, on these keyboards, is for when you are traveling, and 
packing your keyboard away, so the buttons don’t get pressed, as that will 
activate the keyboard, and use up battery.

  If you are using the keyboard, when you are not traveling, then it will go 
into sleep mode, usually within a minute or 2, of inactivity.

  Dave.


  From: Arlene 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:46 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

  Bill, We have 3 of these black webb keyboards, and in 3 months time, so far, 
the rechargable batteries in the keyboard is long lasting, since they haven't 
needed charging up yet. The battery status doesn't show up in the phone, we've 
looked. We navigate on the screen of the phone more than using the keyboard so 
far, so  it might depend on one's usage of the keyboard. Even if we began using 
the keyboard more, I think this battery would last a good while. One really 
wonderful thing about this keyboard is that it has a slide button, to turn the 
keyboard off or to turn it on. So when we're not using the keyboard we slide 
that button off. In fact one keyboard that we have has been turned off each 
time, it was used, and the other keyboard has never been turned off, and it's 
been on for the whole 3 months, and neither  one needs charging yet. So since 
we've only had these keyboards for 3 months so far, it will be interesting to 
see in time how it goes, and how long it will be when we need to recharge the 
battery. It seems to me that the keyboard would work on all of the phones sold 
in the store, including the more recent ones, as the x, your phone the 8 plus 
and 8 and others. I'll find the box to the keyboard and see if it specifically 
says it's only for certain iphones or ipad mini models  which it was actually 
designed for, though we use it with our se phones. While I get the information 
from the box, since black webb is one of the brands that walmart sells possibly 
you could call your local walmart to ask them if this keyboard would work with 
your phone, or you could call the walmart headquarters and talk to the 
walmart.com department ask if your phone, the 8 plus phone will work  with the 
keyboard. I know the walmart.com is for shopping online, but I've called before 
to find out about products a few times, since I don't buy anything online.  
When you ask about it, it's the black webb keyboard that costs about $20.

  Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Outman 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

Hello, all.  

 

I’ve been impressed by this Black Web keyboard everyone has been 
discussing.  

 

I have a couple questions.  Will it work with my 8 Plus?  Arlene, you 
mentioned it has USB charging capability; how do I tell the level of charge and 
when it needs charging as I am totally blind?  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

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RE: ending a call using power button?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I didn't consider it worth mentioning, I believe it was a quick double press of 
the power button while your phone had to be at your ear and if I remember 
correctly the iPhone 5 in 2012 was the last phone where this worked.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sadam 
Ahmed
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ending a call using power button?


Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power 
button.

This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.

On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and neither 
> can you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X and new 
> iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double tap to 
> answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button and 
> double tap it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of The 
> wolf
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:44 PM
> To: VIPhone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: ending a call using power button?
>
> Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power button 
> and answer calls using the home button?
>
> I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on the 
> lader.
>
>

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