Best in Tech Conference 2019 featuring Apple Accessibility Engineer as Key Note Speaker

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The San Fernando Valley Chapter of the NFB of California Presents the
Best in Tech Conference 2019
Featuring Key Note speech by Apple Engineer Dean Hudson

The Best in Tech Conference offers a great opportunity to those who
are interested in learning about the latest innovations in assistive
technology for the blind and partially sighted. This is a free
conference that includes FREE lunch for pre-registered attendees.

Best In Tech Conference 2019
When: Saturday, November 16  |  8.30am - 3.30pm
Where: Braille Institute Los Angeles, 741 North Vermont Ave, Los
Angeles, CA 90029
Free parking is available!
Free lunch provided for pre-registered guests!

Learn from actual users of the latest assistive technology about their
favorite solutions; mobile devices and helpful apps, OCR products,
CCTVs, digital book readers, note takers, and iOS & Android related
products.

Attend workshops to learn about what’s new with Sweetman Systems
including JAWS, BrailleNote Touch, BrailleSense Polaris, the new
QBraille from HIMS, and explore other topics.

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High-tech items will be raffled throughout the day.

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Blind Apple Engineer Dean Hudson to Deliver Keynote Speech at Best in Tech 2019

We are proud to welcome Dean Hudson from Apple as the keynote speaker
for the 2019 Best in Tech conference.

Dean is the Accessibility Evangelist at Apple. In this role, Dean
works with engineering and design teams to
raise awareness of Apple’s accessibility work and influence product
direction. Since joining Apple in 2006,
Dean has been directly involved in the development of some of the most
innovative accessibility features in
the industry. This includes Apple’s groundbreaking VoiceOver
screenreader technology for people who are
blind or low vision; the first accessible smart wearable, Apple Watch;
and other initiatives across the entire Apple ecosystem that support a
culture of inclusion.

Prior to joining Apple, Dean received his Computer Science degree at
San Jose State University, worked at  IBM, and co-founded a startup
called Flying Blind Technologies.

The Best In Tech Conference is presented by The San Fernando Valley
Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of California.
Sponsored by Braille Institute, Sweetman Systems, HumanWare, HIMS Inc,
Irie AT, Orcam, A T Kratter and several other sponsors.

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Re: Annoying Facebook App Issue and a VoiceOver Question

[Donna]

Hi,

I may have accidently happened upon the setting that will, hopefully stop this 
very annoying Facebook bug or whatever you want to call it. I haven’t had a 
chance to confirm my finding. Go to settings, contacts, turn off Find contacts 
in other apps. If this doesn’t work..My next observation is that the 
interrupting contact name pop-ups is a group setting. I don’t experience the 
name suggestion, if I’m replying to a friends post on my news feed or community 
pages. To keep from pulling out my hair, I use Notes or another app to write a 
comment, I then copy & paste on Facebook. 

Donna
> 
> HI Tom,
> 
> I have noticed this too.  If you find the answer to this apart from this 
> list, would you please share?  Thanks.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
> Lange
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 9:12 PM
> To: vi-phone list 
> Subject: Annoying Facebook App Issue and a VoiceOver Question
> 
> Hi,
> For quite some time now, I’ve had this annoying issue when posting or 
> commenting on people’s posts in the Facebook app. The scenario goes like this:
> I’m typing away, either on the onscreen keyboard, or, more frequently on my 
> Braille display. I’ll enter part or all of a word and WHAM! up pops someone’s 
> name, completely stealing focus away from my eloquent prose, ha ha. At that 
> instant I verbally utter some eloquent and dare I say vociferous curses which 
> fortunately won’t make it into my post or comment. I then have to do a lot of 
> fiddling about to regain focus on the edit field where I was writing. My 
> question, therefore, is whether there’s a way to stop Facebook from popping 
> up what it thinks are contact suggestions? If not, is there a way to tell 
> VoiceOver to ignore those popups and maintain focus where I’m editing? Thanks 
> in advance for any suggestions.
> Tom  
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Re: Aggravating Issue with Messaging

[Donna]

Hi, 

When sending a message to your friend, start a new message thread using only 
her phone number & a new thread, in which you use only her email address. Not 
creating two different message threads can cause text messages to fail to send. 

Donna
> 
> Start by  deleting the thread in the messaging app where it is using her 
> email address. Then I would suggest you go into the messaging app and start a 
> new thread to this person by starting a new message and select the button to 
> add a contact in the To field. When it takes you to her contact page, select 
> her cell number and then go on to the text field of the message.
> Marie
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 6:20 AM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Aggravating Issue with Messaging
> 
> Good Friday Morning All,
> 
> Several weeks ago I sent a message via the Messaging App to a friend using 
> her e-mail address rather than her mobile telephone number.
> 
> The aggravating issue is this; now when I try to send a message (via 
> Messaging) to her, her name resolves to that e-mail address rather than her 
> mobile number.
> 
> I have an iPhone 8 with iOS 13.2 currently installed.
> 
> I did edit my friend’s contact, removing her e-mail address and, of course, 
> leaving her mobile phone number in place.  By doing this, I am now able to 
> message her using her name.  But this is quite aggravating; both to have use 
> this “work around” and the fact that I was not offered a choice between her 
> e-mail address and mobile phone number.
> 
> There must be a more efficient way to get her mobile phone number rather than 
> her e-mail address.  Can anybody offer any suggestions?
> 
> TYIA
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion.”
> - Paulo Coelho, Poet-Writer
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Re: Glucose meters with voiceover

[Andy Baracco]

The other CGM meter is the Dexcom 6. I did know a totally blind man who had 
the Dexcom 5 and it was accessible with the iPhone.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Glucose meters with voiceover


Actually, The Prodigy meter is an independent deal, it has nothing to do 
with the iPhone or voiceover. There are two systems which work with 
voiceover through an app. Both of them are continuous monitoring systems. 
Are you looking for a continuous monitoring system that is a CGM? Or are you 
looking for a glucose meter where you do the typical stick your finger and 
get your immediate reading? If you’re looking for the latter, then The 
Prodigy is the one you want. If you need continuous glucose monitoring, then 
you have the freestyle libre, which has an app, or Another one, the name of 
which escapes me now. It’s more expensive. Offers more features. I want to 
say decks C om. They have the G5, and I think the newest one is the G6. If 
you do not need, or your doctor won’t sign off on a continuous glucose 
monitoring system, then as far as I am aware, The Prodigy is the only one. 
And it has nothing whatsoever to do with iPhones or voiceover or whatever.


Mary


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On Nov 8, 2019, at 6:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I didn’t read all my messages, so I don’t know if this question was 
answered, but if it was you get a repeat performance.

It was The Prodigy talking meter and I believe it’s the second.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On Nov 8, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:

Can someone please remind me what the name of the glucose meter that 
works with voiceover is?


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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

[Deb Cook Lewis]

You could put either of them on your MPower, but the .brl might be the best 
choice for you.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
terri elliott
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2019 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and 
references.

 

Would I be able to put the h t m l on my braille notetaker?  I don’t know 
anything about the brl version whether that could be transferred to the empower 
braille notetaker.

 

Terrin 

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On Nov 8, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Robert Wright mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I have it in html and brl. Would either of these work for you? The html is 
broken into books and chapters where each chapter is a separate html.

 

**

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
  

 

From: terri elliott  
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:49 PM
To: vi phone  
Subject: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

 

Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not have 
the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I have 
found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the chapter and 
the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read the next 
verses.  Thanks much.

 

Terri 

 

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Re: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

[terri elliott]

Would I be able to put the h t m l on my braille notetaker?  I don’t know 
anything about the brl version whether that could be transferred to the empower 
braille notetaker.

Terrin 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have it in html and brl. Would either of these work for you? The html is 
> broken into books and chapters where each chapter is a separate html.
>  
> **
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
>
>  
> From: terri elliott
> Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:49 PM
> To: vi phone
> Subject: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.
>  
> Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not have 
> the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I have 
> found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the chapter 
> and the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read the next 
> verses.  Thanks much.
>  
> Terri
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RE: SIRI Voice

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

She may have been in the beginning, but she sure 
isn't now. The voice now is far, far better than Samantha.


Karen
At 05:31 PM 11/8/2019, you wrote:

Samantha never was the US SIRI voice.


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 On Behalf Of Mich Verrier

Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SIRI Voice

Hi Victor. I have updated to ios 13.2 and have 
found that the voice I have for Siri is still 
Samantha.I just checked and the voice is still 
listed as English amarica female. From Mich.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia

Sent: November 8, 2019 5:38 PM
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Subject: SIRI Voice

Hi Folks,

Not sure if this thread has come through the 
list yet.  Has anyone had their SIRI voice 
change with the advent of the 13.2.2 update?


As of that update, I no longer have Samantha as 
my SIRI voice, I have an Australian as my SIRI voice.


I know I didn’t make this change, unless my 
senility has finally caught up with he.


Is this a permanent thing, or will this happen again with further updates?

I know, it’s a silly question, and no, I am 
not expecting an answer, but it’s just weird, 
as other updates have not done this to me, and 
while I’m not worried, unless I can’t change 
it, it does bother me if I’m going to have 
faith that Apple’s updates will actually fix 
things, instead of breaking them.


Victor
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Re: how to add items to cart with Uber Eats

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

All I can say is, make certain that the restaurant you pick is 
really  one that is in service. We had that trouble just recently. We 
tried and tried to get something from El Pollo Loco, but no matter 
what we tried, it wouldn't work. Eventually, (don't know why we 
didn't see this), but the restaurant name was dimmed, and apparently 
not in service. As soon as we picked another restaurant, we had no trouble.


HTH ,
Karen
At 04:46 PM 11/8/2019, you wrote:
All I cannot figure this out. I put in my delivery address, located 
the restaurant, picked the first item choose my side but the 
quantity is not there and there is no add to cart button.

Help.

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Re: Glucose meters with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Actually, The Prodigy meter is an independent deal, it has nothing to do with 
the iPhone or voiceover. There are two systems which work with voiceover 
through an app. Both of them are continuous monitoring systems. Are you looking 
for a continuous monitoring system that is a CGM? Or are you looking for a 
glucose meter where you do the typical stick your finger and get your immediate 
reading? If you’re looking for the latter, then The Prodigy is the one you 
want. If you need continuous glucose monitoring, then you have the freestyle 
libre, which has an app, or Another one, the name of which escapes me now. It’s 
more expensive. Offers more features. I want to say decks C om. They have the 
G5, and I think the newest one is the G6. If you do not need, or your doctor 
won’t sign off on a continuous glucose monitoring system, then as far as I am 
aware, The Prodigy is the only one. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with 
iPhones or voiceover or whatever.

Mary


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> On Nov 8, 2019, at 6:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hi,
> I didn’t read all my messages, so I don’t know if this question was answered, 
> but if it was you get a repeat performance.
> It was The Prodigy talking meter and I believe it’s the second.
> Peggy
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>> with voiceover is?
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Re: Another Weird Pronunciation Issue

[Richard Turner]

Yes. The fix until someone gets their act together, is to go into the VoiceOver 
Speech, pronunciations and add gun, the word, which US English voices say g u 
n, and enter the substitution gunn, which has two n's.
I just did that and now gun is said correctly.
This for sure started with iOS 13.




Richard
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On Nov 8, 2019, at 6:02 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

Is anyone else noticing VO pronouncing the word gun as g-u"N, three separate 
letters? Very very weird, and not sure how to fix it.

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Re: Glucose meters with voiceover

[pegkane52]

Hi,
I didn’t read all my messages, so I don’t know if this question was answered, 
but if it was you get a repeat performance.
It was The Prodigy talking meter and I believe it’s the second.
Peggy

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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes andreferences.

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

Hi Bob,

Are you the same Bod that went to Albany, NY? If so, how are you? 
This is Jan Howells.  Would you be able to please tell me how I 
can get the braille version of the niv Bible? Would you be able 
to send it to me in an email? I hope that you are well.  Thank 
you.


Kind regards,

Jan Howells

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Re: Not Seeing Apps in Shortcuts

[kelby carlson]

Anna,

I did press the see all button with the results I described earlier, in the 
gallery tab.

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi Kelby,
> 
> Be sure to press the See All button first. Then all the apps should be 
> displayed.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:54 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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>> Anna,
>> 
>> When I go to the section you describe, I see a lot of random shortcuts, but 
>> not actually a list of apps. For example, I know Overcast works with it, but 
>> it is not listed there.
>> 
 On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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>>> Hi Kelby,
>>> 
>>> In the Shortcuts app, choose Gallery, then find the shortcuts From Your 
>>> Apps section. Double-tap the See All button, an all the apps that work with 
>>> shortcuts should be listed.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:21 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
 
 There are a number of apps I'd like to try and create shortcuts for. 
 However, when I search for them in the shortcuts app, I can't find them 
 even though they are allowed to interface with Siri in settings. Are there 
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Another Weird Pronunciation Issue

[kelby carlson]

Is anyone else noticing VO pronouncing the word gun as g-u"N, three separate 
letters? Very very weird, and not sure how to fix it.  

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RE: SIRI Voice

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Samantha never was the US SIRI voice.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SIRI Voice

Hi Victor. I have updated to ios 13.2 and have found that the voice I have for 
Siri is still Samantha.I just checked and the voice is still listed as English 
amarica female. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Victor 
Gouveia
Sent: November 8, 2019 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SIRI Voice

Hi Folks,

Not sure if this thread has come through the list yet.  Has anyone had their 
SIRI voice change with the advent of the 13.2.2 update?

As of that update, I no longer have Samantha as my SIRI voice, I have an 
Australian as my SIRI voice.

I know I didn’t make this change, unless my senility has finally caught up with 
he.

Is this a permanent thing, or will this happen again with further updates?

I know, it’s a silly question, and no, I am not expecting an answer, but it’s 
just weird, as other updates have not done this to me, and while I’m not 
worried, unless I can’t change it, it does bother me if I’m going to have faith 
that Apple’s updates will actually fix things, instead of breaking them.

Victor
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RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And here the guy from small town BC has to tell you city slickers how it works! 
藍勞

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Louise 
Johnson
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

Hi thanks for sharing this information. I live here in Surrey BC and didn’t 
know the answer thanks again for sharing the answer.

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

Yes, it does, have used it myself.
Just hold your phone near the area on the faregate where you normally tap  your 
card and authorize with Touch Id (or Face Id if you have an iPhone X or later). 
Your payment method will be preauthorized, but nothing will be charged until 
you arrive at your destination and tap out. At that point the correct fare will 
be calculated and it is then charged to your card via Apple Pay.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

Hi, list.
My question is to those in Vancouver, Canada.
Does Sky Train ticket machine accept Apple Pay?
Thanks!


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how to add items to cart with Uber Eats

[sarai.bucciarelli]

All I cannot figure this out. I put in my delivery address, located the
restaurant, picked the first item choose my side but the quantity is not
there and there is no add to cart button.

Help.

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RE: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

[Robert Wright]

I have it in html and brl. Would either of these work for you? The html is 
broken into books and chapters where each chapter is a separate html.

**
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
      

From: terri elliott
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 3:49 PM
To: vi phone
Subject: Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not have 
the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I have 
found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the chapter and 
the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read the next 
verses.  Thanks much.

Terri 

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RE: SIRI Voice

[Mich Verrier]

Hi Victor. I have updated to ios 13.2 and have found that the voice I have for 
Siri is still Samantha.I just checked and the voice is still listed as English 
amarica female. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Victor 
Gouveia
Sent: November 8, 2019 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SIRI Voice

 

Hi Folks,

 

Not sure if this thread has come through the list yet.  Has anyone had their 
SIRI voice change with the advent of the 13.2.2 update?

 

As of that update, I no longer have Samantha as my SIRI voice, I have an 
Australian as my SIRI voice.

 

I know I didn’t make this change, unless my senility has finally caught up with 
he.

 

Is this a permanent thing, or will this happen again with further updates?

 

I know, it’s a silly question, and no, I am not expecting an answer, but it’s 
just weird, as other updates have not done this to me, and while I’m not 
worried, unless I can’t change it, it does bother me if I’m going to have faith 
that Apple’s updates will actually fix things, instead of breaking them.

 

Victor

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Niv text version of the Bible wioutout the footnotes and references.

[terri elliott]

Hi.  I am trying to find a text version of the Niv version that does not have 
the footnotes and references in it.  So far all of the versions that I have 
found have the footnotes and references right in the middle of the chapter and 
the verses which is hard to find out where you left off to read the next 
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Terri 

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SIRI Voice

[Victor Gouveia]

Hi Folks,

Not sure if this thread has come through the list yet.  Has anyone had their 
SIRI voice change with the advent of the 13.2.2 update?

As of that update, I no longer have Samantha as my SIRI voice, I have an 
Australian as my SIRI voice.

I know I didn’t make this change, unless my senility has finally caught up with 
he.

Is this a permanent thing, or will this happen again with further updates?

I know, it’s a silly question, and no, I am not expecting an answer, but it’s 
just weird, as other updates have not done this to me, and while I’m not 
worried, unless I can’t change it, it does bother me if I’m going to have faith 
that Apple’s updates will actually fix things, instead of breaking them.

Victor

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Glucose meters with voiceover

[Alex Stone]

Can someone please remind me what the name of the glucose meter that works with 
voiceover is?

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Wal-Mart pharmacy app

['Karen Delzer' via VIPhone]

Has anyone here used the  Wal-Mart Pharmacy app, and is it accessible?

Karen

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Question about scheduling an event

[Vicki W.]

Good Afternoon,

I have been trying to set up a reminder both through my calendar and 
Fantastical. I finally switched from the Gmail calendar to the home calendar 
and was able to set up the event through Fantastical, but not a reminder.

Well, when the event happened, which is a recurring event, I get an alert from 
both my calendar and Fantastical at the same time. Can I delete it in my 
calendar, which I never set up, and just leave it in Fantastical or will that 
wipe out both of them?

I never could set up the reminder but I'm fairly certain that is an IOS issue 
because it only started after the upgrade.

Thank you.

Vicki

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RE: Twitterrific and (null)

[Gerardo Corripio]

Good thing I uninstalled Twitterrific and went back to the native app! I found 
outreading the Help info, that only for 6months, one is able to use the client 
if purchased when the 5.7 version was out, without having to subscribeanew. 
That’s why I gave up on it, though I’ll miss some of itsfeatures! 


  Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

De: Wes Smith
Enviado: viernes, 8 de noviembre de 2019 02:55 p. m.
Para: viphone@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: Twitterrific and (null)

I am, and it’s annoying! Can’t figure out how to contact the developer 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Twitterrific and (null)

[Wes Smith]

I am, and it’s annoying! Can’t figure out how to contact the developer 

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RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

[Louise Johnson]

Hi thanks for sharing this information. I live here in Surrey BC and didn’t 
know the answer thanks again for sharing the answer. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

 

Yes, it does, have used it myself.

Just hold your phone near the area on the faregate where you normally tap  your 
card and authorize with Touch Id (or Face Id if you have an iPhone X or later). 
Your payment method will be preauthorized, but nothing will be charged until 
you arrive at your destination and tap out. At that point the correct fare will 
be calculated and it is then charged to your card via Apple Pay.

 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Fazil
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:37 PM
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Subject: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

 

Hi, list.

My question is to those in Vancouver, Canada.

Does Sky Train ticket machine accept Apple Pay?

Thanks!

 

 

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Re: I know someone who wants to join this list, where can they find the join info?

[nancy Lynn]

Just take away the UN attached to the unsubscribe address. Here’s the proper 
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Sending a virtual hug from Nancy Lynn seabreeze@gmail.com

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Re: I know someone who wants to join this list, subscribing directions to join this group

[Arlene]

The subscribing  directions to join this group is to send a message to
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  Thank you Nimer.

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RE: I know someone who wants to join this list, where can they find the join info?

[Terri Hedgpeth]

Thank you Nimer.

Best,

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RE: I know someone who wants to join this list, where can they find the join info?

[Don Moore]

Generally speaking, in the footer of each list message is the link to 
“unsubscribe”.  Just substitute the word ‘subscribe’ for the word ‘unsubscribe 
and they can join.
 
 
 
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Re: Not Seeing Apps in Shortcuts

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Kelby,

Be sure to press the See All button first. Then all the apps should be 
displayed.

Best,
Anna




> On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:54 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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> Anna,
> 
> When I go to the section you describe, I see a lot of random shortcuts, but 
> not actually a list of apps. For example, I know Overcast works with it, but 
> it is not listed there.
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> In the Shortcuts app, choose Gallery, then find the shortcuts From Your Apps 
>> section. Double-tap the See All button, an all the apps that work with 
>> shortcuts should be listed.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:21 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:
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>>> There are a number of apps I'd like to try and create shortcuts for. 
>>> However, when I search for them in the shortcuts app, I can't find them 
>>> even though they are allowed to interface with Siri in settings. Are there 
>>> some apps that just don't work with shortcuts?
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Re: I know someone who wants to join this list, where can they find the join info?

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I’m not trying to start something or be rude, but how did you get here if you 
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Re: Not Seeing Apps in Shortcuts

[kelby carlson]

Anna,

When I go to the section you describe, I see a lot of random shortcuts, but not 
actually a list of apps. For example, I know Overcast works with it, but it is 
not listed there.

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi Kelby,
> 
> In the Shortcuts app, choose Gallery, then find the shortcuts From Your Apps 
> section. Double-tap the See All button, an all the apps that work with 
> shortcuts should be listed.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> However, when I search for them in the shortcuts app, I can't find them even 
>> though they are allowed to interface with Siri in settings. Are there some 
>> apps that just don't work with shortcuts?
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RE: iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find, cNet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And are all of these Voiceover accessible? How about that volume bar (item 7), 
how would one interact with this using Voiceover? Same applies to the 
screenshot of a webpage (item 13) where a sighted person can easily tap on the 
thumbnail of the screen shot and then select full page to expand the screenshot 
to the entire page not just what is visible on the screen? I'd love to be able 
to use it.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Subject: iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find, cNet

Hello All, 

Although some of these features have already been discussed, there are a couple 
that I absolutely love, including the automatic document scanning feature which 
works beautifully with VoiceOver in terms of guiding a blind person in lining 
up the camera for the automatic scan.  While I'm not certain how much use a 
totally blind person can benefit from this feature, low vision VoiceOver users 
will definitely find the Files App auto-document scanning feature a true 
treasure.

Mark

iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find We combed 
through the iPhone 11 and iPad Pro -- here's what we found.
November 5, 2019 7:30 AM PST
 
iOS 13 is a pretty significant update. 
Apple's iOS 13 and iPadOS 13 launch has been a whirlwind. Since its initial 
release, we've seen several updates released in just over a month. The latest 
version is iOS 13.2, which added support for the iPhone 11's Deep Fusion camera 
trick, and the new AirPods Pro (read our in-depth AirPods Pro review here), 
along with a bunch of new emoji. All of that is in addition to the core 
features iOS 13 brought to your devices. After you've updated your iPhone or 
iPad to the latest software and caught your breath, make sure to try out the 
new dark mode (huzzah!), the gesture keyboard and improvements made to Safari, 
along with anything else we cover in our complete guide to iOS 13. 

Those features are great and all, but we've also found a handful of features 
Apple didn't announce that are just as good, if not better. The new volume 
indicator alone is -- chef's kiss -- a feature iOS has needed for years. And 
iMessage search, well, it's downright amazing. Don't forget about the new 
photo-sharing options. 
Below are 13 of the best, hidden features we found in iOS 13. If you haven't 
installed iOS 13 yet, make sure you get your phone ready for the update before 
taking the plunge. Should something go wrong while it installs, you'll be glad 
you took the time. Oh, and if you're still on the fence about getting an iPhone 
11, be sure to read our iPhone 11 review.  

1.
Optimized battery charging
Routinely charging your iPhone's ($900 at Amazon) battery to full, and keeping 
it there for extended amounts of time, can damage your battery over time. A new 
option in iOS 13 is intended to help prolong your battery's life by learning 
your charging habits and preventing the battery from immediately charging to 
100%. 
If you normally charge overnight while you sleep, Optimized Battery Charging 
will keep your iPhone's battery at 80% for most of the night, finishing off the 
last 20% of charge right before your alarm goes off.  
To use the new features, go to Settings > Battery > Battery Health and turn it 
on. 

2.
Use the new Scroll Bar
When you're scrolling a webpage in Safari, a new Scroll Bar shows up on the 
right side of the screen. Only instead of just being a handy way to see where 
you're at on a page, you can now use it to scroll faster. Try it out by 
starting to scroll on a page, then long-press on the scroll bar and drag it up 
or down. The faster you drag, the faster Safari will scroll.  

3.
Scan documents in the Files app
The revamped Files app now lets you scan documents and save them directly to 
your device or cloud storage with little effort. Open the Files app, select the 
Browse tab, tap on the three-dot icon in the top-right corner, then Scan 
Documents. Hold your device over the document you want to scan, and it should 
automatically capture the page. You can scan multiple pages into one PDF file 
and then save to iCloud, or import it into another app once you're done.  

4.
iMessage search actually works now
Searching for past messages in the iMessage app has always been horrible. It 
simply hasn't worked. That's changed. You can now search for a single word or 
phrase, and results are almost instantly displayed. 
It's pretty cool. To try it, open the Messages app, swipe down to reveal the 
search field and type. Neat, right? 

5.
Search your iPhone with your voice
Anywhere you find a search bar in Apple's own apps, you'll notice there's now a 
microphone on the far-right side. Tap on the new icon to enter your search 
query by voice, instead of having to type it out.  
Apps like Settings, Mail, Messages and the Today View are just a few examples 

Re: I know someone who wants to join this list, where can they find the join info?

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Change for charity apps

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Hi group, does anyone have experience with any of the round up your change for 
charity apps? Either on your iDevice or Mac.

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Re: Not Seeing Apps in Shortcuts

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Kelby,

In the Shortcuts app, choose Gallery, then find the shortcuts From Your Apps 
section. Double-tap the See All button, an all the apps that work with 
shortcuts should be listed.

Best,
Anna




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Safari Shortcuts not launching

[Todd W]

Hi All,

After updating a few weeks ago to iOS 13 I noticed that the shortcut
buttons in Safari didn’t launch when tapped.  I’m referring to the
favorites that come up when you tap the address bar to be able to type in a
web URL.  I hoped that subsequent updates would resolve the issue but am
still seeing it after updating to 13.2.2.  It’s happening on my iPhone 7
and the odd thing is that my iPad Pro works as expected after the updates.
Is anyone else having this issue?  I’ve not seen reference to it as a known
issue but may have missed it somewhere along the line.

Thanks,

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Re: Are any of You Receiving a Particular Call Saying It's From You?

[Shirley Baker]

I answered it and just said hello but as soon as I heard them say it was 
Microsoft calling, I immediately hung up. They called one or two more times but 
I never answered any other time. I am certain it is the same people that called 
my landline number using my phone number. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> I too think it is a scam. I had one I would say a couple of years ago but I 
> deleted it and afterword I heard that something like that is a scam. So don’t 
> ever answer it. I understand it the way they do it is they get you to say yes 
> to something and then they can track your phone and mess with it. Just leave 
> it alone and get rid of it.
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> Gail
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>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:57 PM, regina alvarado  
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> Shirley, I don't mean to scare you, but this is the way that my friend had 
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> 
> Reggie Alvarado 
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>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
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> Have any of you received a call saying it's from you and your phone starts 
> beeping very fast? Normally, I have silence unknown calls on but needed to 
> have it turned off today. I wasn't thinking and answered it and it said it 
> was from Microsoft, knowing afterwards that it wasn't really them. I got it 
> again a few minutes later but declined it at that point. I just hhate how 
> your phone starts beeping and ringing at the same time like they are sending 
> a text message. Just wondered if any of you are getting stupid calls like 
> this?
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Re: Twitterrific and (null)

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

I have been in contact with the developer of Twitterrific and there is a fix 
coming soon. I have found that if you do a manual refresh on the timeline it 
will load the proper text in the Tweet.

Ed

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> Hi all, I’m on the latest iOS and since yesterday I’m having a lot of Tweets 
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Twitterrific and (null)

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I’m on the latest iOS and since yesterday I’m having a lot of Tweets 
with the word (Null) in them. I don’t get to read the actual tweet. Does anyone 
know what this is about or are they experiencing it?

Thank you,
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RE: Annoying Facebook App Issue and a VoiceOver Question

[Nicki Keck]

HI Tom,

I have noticed this too.  If you find the answer to this apart from this list, 
would you please share?  Thanks.

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Hi,
For quite some time now, I’ve had this annoying issue when posting or 
commenting on people’s posts in the Facebook app. The scenario goes like this:
I’m typing away, either on the onscreen keyboard, or, more frequently on my 
Braille display. I’ll enter part or all of a word and WHAM! up pops someone’s 
name, completely stealing focus away from my eloquent prose, ha ha. At that 
instant I verbally utter some eloquent and dare I say vociferous curses which 
fortunately won’t make it into my post or comment. I then have to do a lot of 
fiddling about to regain focus on the edit field where I was writing. My 
question, therefore, is whether there’s a way to stop Facebook from popping up 
what it thinks are contact suggestions? If not, is there a way to tell 
VoiceOver to ignore those popups and maintain focus where I’m editing? Thanks 
in advance for any suggestions.
Tom  

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RE: Braille Table in the Rotor

[Nicki Keck]

HI Tom,

This is really confusing, and I had trouble figuring it out too.

What you need to do is go to your braille tables and remove the U.S. English 
braille from the braille tables.  Trust me, you have to do this, or the 
following won't work.
Then, go to where it says, default braille table, UEB.  Double tap on that and 
choose US English contracted braille, and you will be set.  You can remove 
braille table now and it will never change.

The reason just removing braille table from the rotor wouldn't work, at least 
for me, is that it seemed that whenever I rebooted, or did any kind of IOS 
update on the phone (which we all know has been frequent since 13), it changed 
back to UEB.  Also, if you don't remove the US contracted table from your 
braille tables, it won't let you make it the default when you double tap on 
UEB.  Don't ask me why that is, but it won't.  so you first have to remove it 
from your braille tables.

Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:39 PM
To: vi-phone list 
Subject: Braille Table in the Rotor

Hi,
I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my iPhone 
with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have input set 
to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched over to using 
UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s absolutely necessary. 
So, my questions are these:
1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if I 
want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I want 
to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in 
the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to 
change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?

These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.

Tom 

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Re: Braille Table in the Rotor

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi Tom. I have these exact questions. it doesn't matter if I change between the 
two tables this pesky UEB keeps being the one used! I hate UEB!!! lol. I can't 
delete it either. How annoying. Just because it's the standard doesn't mean 
people want to use it. We should have the option.
Jen
om my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my 
> iPhone with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have 
> input set to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched over 
> to using UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s absolutely 
> necessary. So, my questions are these:
> 1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if 
> I want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I 
> want to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
> 2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in 
> the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to 
> change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?
> 
> These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.
> 
> Tom 
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Re: Aggravating Issue with Messaging

[Marie]

Start by  deleting the thread in the messaging app where it is using her 
email address. Then I would suggest you go into the messaging app and start 
a new thread to this person by starting a new message and select the button 
to add a contact in the To field. When it takes you to her contact page, 
select her cell number and then go on to the text field of the message.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone

Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 6:20 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Aggravating Issue with Messaging

Good Friday Morning All,

Several weeks ago I sent a message via the Messaging App to a friend using 
her e-mail address rather than her mobile telephone number.


The aggravating issue is this; now when I try to send a message (via 
Messaging) to her, her name resolves to that e-mail address rather than her 
mobile number.


I have an iPhone 8 with iOS 13.2 currently installed.

I did edit my friend’s contact, removing her e-mail address and, of course, 
leaving her mobile phone number in place.  By doing this, I am now able to 
message her using her name.  But this is quite aggravating; both to have use 
this “work around” and the fact that I was not offered a choice between her 
e-mail address and mobile phone number.


There must be a more efficient way to get her mobile phone number rather 
than her e-mail address.  Can anybody offer any suggestions?


TYIA


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Aggravating Issue with Messaging

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

 Good Friday Morning All,

Several weeks ago I sent a message via the Messaging App to a friend using her 
e-mail address rather than her mobile telephone number.

The aggravating issue is this; now when I try to send a message (via Messaging) 
to her, her name resolves to that e-mail address rather than her mobile number.

I have an iPhone 8 with iOS 13.2 currently installed.

I did edit my friend’s contact, removing her e-mail address and, of course, 
leaving her mobile phone number in place.  By doing this, I am now able to 
message her using her name.  But this is quite aggravating; both to have use 
this “work around” and the fact that I was not offered a choice between her 
e-mail address and mobile phone number.

There must be a more efficient way to get her mobile phone number rather than 
her e-mail address.  Can anybody offer any suggestions?

TYIA


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Re: Braille Table in the Rotor

[Wayne Merritt]

Hi. I'm speculating here, but I think if you aren't using a Braille
display or a second language, then that item does not appear in the
rotor. At least that has been the case for me. I have used Braille
displays with my iPhone before, but not currently. I've looked in the
rotor setting, and Braille Table is selected, but it is dimmed since I
don't have a display connected/am not using one. If I were to remove
the languages that I have in my rotor, such as a secondary US English
voice and the Australian voice, then Language would not appear in my
rotor either. AS far as changing the display language, in iOS 13.2, go
to VoiceOver/Braille/Braille tables. There is a system button where
you can go in to change the system wide Braille language you want to
use, such as English US.

Hth,
Wayne

On 11/7/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I'm not sure about the first part of your question, but I've never found a
> way to get braille table or language, for that matter, out of the rotor.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it."
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> Wagner
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my
> iPhone with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have
> input set to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched
> over to using UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s
> absolutely necessary. So, my questions are these:
> 1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if
> I want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I
> want to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
> 2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in
> the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to
> change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?
>
> These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.
>
> Tom
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Not Seeing Apps in Shortcuts

[kelby carlson]

There are a number of apps I'd like to try and create shortcuts for. However, 
when I search for them in the shortcuts app, I can't find them even though they 
are allowed to interface with Siri in settings. Are there some apps that just 
don't work with shortcuts?

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

[Richard Turner]

Kelby,
The message below yours is from Sieghard about Apple and Steve Jobs, ... so I 
am not sure which bug you are referring to.
If you are talking about the pronunciation thing with the word gun, that is a 
VoiceOver issue as I'm using Tom Enhanced and it spells out the word gun, but 
if I use a British voice, it reads the word correctly.
This is new as far as I can tell.




Richard
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On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:44 AM, kelby carlson  wrote:

Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem.

Richard,

It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS 
voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he 
was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the 
September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 
6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the 
iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software 
development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover 
did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or 
at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even 
though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a 
lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were 
maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone 
allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get 
out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have 
criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact 
that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility.
For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely 
compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are 
multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards 
installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't 
use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely 
horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as 
German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of 
a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI 
inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. 
Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off 
Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is 
only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but 
if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it 
wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging 
Apple Accessibility about it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make 
a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, Apple is 
focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that when Steve 
Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS 
upgrades were first released.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
it's snappy and responsive.
The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down.
Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, 
some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which 

Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

[kelby carlson]

Looks like focus in emails is still something of a problem.

Richard,

It looks like this bug may actually only occur in VoiceDream with an iOS 
voice—very strange, and I'll have to email the developer.

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he 
> was quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the 
> September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was 
> released 6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the 
> release of the iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of 
> hardware and software development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he 
> got too sick, Voiceover did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of 
> iOS development for 1 or at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were 
> a lot less devices and even though they are Apple's devices, they still need 
> to be supported. There were a lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong 
> in saying that many apps were maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer 
> processing power of the iPhone allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't 
> want to totally give Apple the get out of jail free card here and those who 
> know me also know that I have criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was 
> simply making a case for the fact that Apple in my opinion is certainly not 
> abandoning accessibility.
> For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely 
> compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are 
> multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards 
> installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't 
> use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely 
> horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English 
> as German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter 
> part of a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer 
> and SIRI inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said 
> is German. Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to 
> turn off Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see 
> if this is only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why 
> it would, but if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I 
> am surprised it wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have 
> to start bugging Apple Accessibility about it. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan 
> Mann
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
> accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
> framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to 
> make a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, 
> Apple is focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that 
> when Steve Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs 
> when IOS upgrades were first released. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
>> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
>> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
>> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
>> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes 
>> up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around 
>> braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The 
>> problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party 
>> keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery 
>> usage is good and it's snappy and responsive.
>> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
>> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me 
>> indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even 
>> slowing down.
>> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
>> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
>> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
>> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
>> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
>> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
>> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
>> Google, Amazon or others being