RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’m watching it now from my apple tv 4k using the apple tv app,

I can’t see anything out of place as yet as they have AD included in the 
presetation

I’ve got to watch the entire thing to see what might be of interest in ios 14 
etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, 23 June 2020 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs



Richard
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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
Mary

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RE: Lightning alert

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah but those that have been hit and survived are a lot less than those who 
have been hit and not survived.

 Some guy in the states had seemingly been hit 7 times 

And if a storm is rolling in from somewhere and you can hear the thunder then 
the lightneing is going to be on you quicker than you can move.

 Remember that lightening is the fastest thing we have on earth 
Being light and electricity 
The noise is the sound barrier being broken 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jewel
Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lightning alert

I agree with Simon that being alerted when lightning has struck:  a little late 
for that, but I disagree with him that being struck by lightning will put both 
you and your phone out of order because there are many recorded instances of 
unfortunate and, obviously, attractive people who have been lightning-struck, 
not only once but several-many times who have lived to bore their friends with 
the tale of their, miraculous, experience.

  Jewel

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From: "Simon A Fogarty" 
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 9:49 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: Lightning alert

If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck,  I don't see the 
point?

 If it's struck then it's not an issue
And if you're worried about it striking you when you're out,  Then if it's 
already struck, it will be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or 
your phone will be working.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lightning alert

Hi,

I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted me to 
when lightning has struck. Other than that, I love the app.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

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RE: Microsoft Teams trouble with Microsoft teams sign in and set up

[R Van Lant]

Jen,
I joined my first two Teams groups today.   While it was on my laptop, the 
concept my help.  In one case, a coworker had added me to a teams group she 
created and I got an email with a note to open in Teams.  In the other case, I 
think I clicked on a provided link that allowed me to opt into a public Teams 
group at our company.  So, I suspect that the message you are getting is 
related to you needing to be invited to join a particular group someone has 
created.  Until I joined these groups, my view in Teams was empty.  

Glad to hear the app is accessible. I think I'll download it.





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Microsoft Teams trouble with Microsoft teams sign in and set up

Hi I recently installed Microsoft Teams in order to help a friend and had no 
problems signing in with email address and password but once I sign in it said 
I needed somebody to invite me and when I said set up it took me to Skype which 
I already have so I’m not sure what I am doing wrong.
Thanks.
Jen

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RE: Lightning alert

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I'm wondering that also?

 Guess it will be warmer than it was before the lightening!

Unless it's a lead sweater and will protect the dog when the lightening strikes.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lightning alert

forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog when there is 
lightening about going to do for the dog?

-Original Message-
From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lightning alert

Simon,

If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting to put a 
sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when lightning strikes and it is 
thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!!

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I don't 
> see the point?
>
> If it's struck then it's not an issue
> And if you're worried about it striking you when you're out, Then if 
> it's already struck, it will be way to late to look at your phone as 
> neither yu or your phone will be working.
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Jennie Facer
> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Lightning alert
>
> Hi,
>
> I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted 
> me to when lightning has struck. Other than that, I love the app.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
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RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

[Simon A Fogarty]

Like people all dogs are different,
Some will be fine in these situations and some wont be.

I've had  3 guide dogs and 1 of them hated fireworks and thunger if it heard it,

One couldn't care less and the other wasn't a fan of the fireworks but thunder 
and lightening wasn't an issue 
The one that hated loud noises / thunger etc also wasn't a fan of being hugged 





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 7:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

I also thought that was one of the things the dog schools screened dogs for, 
but my husband and I have had three dogs, from Guiding Eyes and Seeing Eye, and 
all of them had a real fear of thunderstorms.  If we were outside somewhere and 
it started to thunder, my husband's first dog would just plant his feet and 
refuse to go any further.  He would turn around and go back home as fast as he 
could, but not go any further the other direction.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel [siegh...@live.ca]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

My first dog was from Leader Dogs, but that was a long time ago oin 1994, then 
in 2005 I got my second dog from BC Guide Dog Services here in British 
Columbia, Canada and that is also where I got my current dog in 2015.
My first and my current dogs are both yellow labs and my second one was a black 
lab/golden retriever mix.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

I've known several dog guide owners whose dogs were terrified of thunder storms.
Which school did yours come from?
Maybe they do a better job than some.



Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

I was under the impression guide dog schools tested dogs for this, I have had 3 
dogs and none of them had any fear whatsoever of thunderstorms, fireworks or 
gunshots.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Caitlyn 
Furness
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE: Lightning alert

The conbination of the thunder shirt and a crate vastly improved my GSd seeing 
eye dog during thunderstorms and fireworks.

Caitlyn


> On Jun 21, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Steve Sweeney  wrote:
>
> O' just one more!  I used a thunder Shirt with my first Seeing Eye dog all 
> the time.  They have been around for almost 15 years.  They work for some 
> dogs and not for others as much.
> -Steve
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Jennie Facer
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 10:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to calm a dog during thunder storms, was RE:
> Lightning alert
>
> I won’t try to keep this thread going, but thanks so much to Richard. I will 
> go way beyond to defend these wonderful creatures! I wasn’t trying to start a 
> flame fight or anuything like that. Thanks for clearing it all up.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> How to Calm a Dog During Thunderstorms Beverly Ulbrich, MBA Dog 
>> Behaviorist & Trainer March 25, 2020
>>
>> Many dogs are terrified of thunderstorms. The loud noises, static 
>> electricity, and barometric pressure changes cause fear, anxiety, and 
>> panic. In this state, dogs can injure themselves and damage property.
>> Learn how to manage your dog's fear during this frightening storm, 
>> and improve its response to the
>>
>> Part 1
>> Calming Your Dog
>> Call your dog as the storm begins. Don't wait until the storm is fully 
>> underway to find your dog. Call your dog to your side as soon as you hear 
>> thunder.
>>
>> Remain calm. Your dog can sense anxiety. If you are upset, your dog will 
>> know, and this will only make matters worse.
>> During a storm, give your dog no indications that something is wrong. Follow 
>> the same routine you would any other night. Smile and speak in a calm, 
>> reassuring tone.
>> • Even reassuring the dog can convince it that something is wrong. Help 

RE: Lightning alert

[Simon A Fogarty]

Help with what?

 Comfort?
Or making the dog protected from lightening?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shirley 
Baker
Sent: Monday, 22 June 2020 1:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lightning alert

No, it's not. I happen to know some people who have used them on their dogs and 
they say they help.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> are you sure this just isn't a scam to get you to spend money?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shirley Baker
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning alert
> 
> The best I understand, it's not just any sweater or teashirt but it's a 
> certain kind you buy but someone who knows more can correct me if I'm wrong. 
> I've heard commercials on TV about buying these special items for dogs.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> forgive a stjupid question but what is putting a sweater on a dog when 
>> there is lightening about going to do for the dog?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jennie Facer
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning alert
>> 
>> Simon,
>> 
>> If you were paying attention to this thread, a person was wanting to put a 
>> sweater on her dog that makes her feel better when lightning strikes and it 
>> is thundering. She is doing it for her dog!!!
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
 On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:49 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If an app is going to tell you when lightening has struck, I don't 
>>> see the point?
>>> 
>>> If it's struck then it's not an issue And if you're worried about it 
>>> striking you when you're out, Then if it's already struck, it will 
>>> be way to late to look at your phone as neither yu or your phone will be 
>>> working.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Jennie Facer
>>> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2020 9:00 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Lightning alert
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have had Weather Gods for quite some time, and it has never alerted me to 
>>> when lightning has struck. Other than that, I love the app.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> Jenn and Kumi
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RE: Updating Router Firmware, was Re: Time To Get A New Router

[Simon A Fogarty]

My netgear would alert you through the mobile app or firmware currently on the 
device if you had to go in to it,

 My fritzbox I have to go look manually.

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Subject: Updating Router Firmware, was Re: Time To Get A New Router

It probably varies between models, but in general, how does one tell a router 
to check for a firmware update? I would think it best if it did it automaticly. 
Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six

On Jun 21, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Bob Warren  wrote:

Security flaws in home routers are discovered all the time. These flaws can, 
for example, allow access into your home network from the Internet. Even if you 
keep the firmware updated on the router (and most people do not), eventually 
the router manufacturer no longer will support a router 4-5 years old with 
security fixes.

A good rule of thumb is to replace your home router about every 4 years (even 
if working and even if you have been doing the firmware updates). And, there 
have been advances in wi-fi capabilities in the last several years that you may 
be able to take advantage of.

Bob

> On 6/20/2020 8:00 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've had a Netgear router now for about eight years, and I have no 
> complaints. When I bought it, I was considering Netgear or Asus. I'm not sure 
> what's changed recently though.
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 6:01 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Time To Get A New Router
>> 
>> My Medialink router has served me well for 8.5 years, but it quit this 
>> afternoon.
>> What routers are recommended now? I will be using it with my iphone 
>> and Victor Reader on wifi, and my computer via wired connection. 
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Alan Lemly]

Mary,

I'd be very surprised if iOS 14 corrects the native Mail app focus issue if 
they were unable to correct it through the multiple iterations of iOS 13. 
Fortunately, Outlook for iOS is working great for me and doesn't have the focus 
issue so I'm done with the native Mail app.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That�s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don�t announce. 
I haven�t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that�s not a new problem.
Mary

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RE: Availability of iPhone SE2020 cases?

[R Van Lant]

Even my iPhone 6S case fit my new SE.  I was rather surprised, as I didn't 
realize that the 6S was the same size, but it is.  


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Subject: Availability of iPhone SE2020 cases?

In preparing myself for when Telcel (my carrier) restocks the iPHones SE 2nd 
Generation, my sister (who got herself an SE2020 last month), has been looking 
online to get herself and me, a case; however she says that cases for iPHones 
SE2020 aren’t available yet here in Mexico! So between an iPHone 7 or 8 case, 
which would be the nearest in terms of camera and other controls, that would 
fit a new sE? Thanks for info.

Gera
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, richard. I didn’t even think Jonathan was in the business of doing 
reviews anymore. So I will definitely check this out.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
> experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
> discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
> https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Michael Feir]

There was absolutely no mention of new accessibility features in the
keynote this year. That's not alltogether bad given how much they added
last time which needed to be improved upon. Looking at the cessions
scheduled over the week which have been revealed so far, pickings are slim
for accessibility. There's a cession on using the VoiceOver custom rotor
capability. A couple of others deal with accessibility including one
dedicated to creating accessible apps on Big Sur. I have yet to see full
release notes on the various operating systems. That can often reveal
VoiceOver improvements not mentionned.

There was nothing accessibility related in the state of the platform
speech. That doesn't mean that there are no substantial accessibility
improvements. I suppose it does mean that there's unlikely to be any major
mind-blowing accessibility upgrades this time around. However, a number of
the new features discussed would certainly be of help to blind users.
Nothing struck me as particularly likely to be inaccessible to VoiceOver.

iOS13 saw a number of pretty largescale accessibility features added but
also saw a marked dip in quality control. Frankly, I'd be delighted if
things just worked and we weren't faced with any nasty bugs this time
around. I think it's actually pretty likely that iOS14 will be a much
smoother ride in that regard.

The game's not over yet. Often, more videos and cessions get added as these
things progress. Also, there are the Apple Design awards on June 29th.
Quite often, I've heard about accessible apps during those presentations.
There are also a ton of labs and appointments with Apple engineers with
nosy non-developers like me don't have accesss to. Those behind the scenes
discussions might well result in apps being made accessible after the
event. I intend to keep a close ear on things.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology
> experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor
> to discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective.
> https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely
> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise.
> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they
> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the
> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted
> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event
> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things.
> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new
> problem.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille characters on a Braille display

[Devin Prater]

That is Unicode Braille. I don’t think Voiceover prints those, but I’ll test 
tomorrow with my iPhone.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Using my computer, there was no hello, until you said after that line.
> So, if those are graphic characters, no.
> VoiceOver translates printed characters into braille.
> If they are an image, no.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ben 
> Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Braille characters on a Braille display
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille characters 
> to a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
> example:
> ⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
> That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot numbers 
> but if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets Brailled. Does anyone 
> know any way of getting Braille characters to show up on a display?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via VIPhone]

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via VIPhone]

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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Accessible games that are good for toddlers?

[Dacia Luck]

I am looking for good accessible games or other apps that are accessible and 
friendly for toddlers? My daughter is almost too, and is not blind, but I am. I 
am looking for games that she can play on my phone, but I can also play with 
her. Before everyone starts judging me and saying that Screen Time is bad for 
kids, I don’t intend on using it all the time, but sometimes when I need her to 
be entertained for just a little bit, or if we are waiting on something and I 
want to entertain her and want to play with something that we can both interact 
with. I would prefer free, but I’m willing to pay if necessary.
Dacia

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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Richard Turner]

I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
Mary

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New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
Mary

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Sugested Change To Make To Voice Dream Reader For Voice Over Users

[Arnold Schmidt]

Hopefully, everybody else on this list already knows this, but I post this just 
in case. Being that I use VoiceOver, I have often wished that I could get rid 
of all the text on the screen, I don't really need it, and too often, when 
looking for the play button, I touch text and it moves the cursor to that 
point. Also, when I tried to read by word or line, it would do fine until it 
got to the end of the screen, then sometimes seemed   to get confused.  Go into 
advanced visual settings, and change it so that only one line of text appears 
on the screen. This way, you  can turn the rotor to characters, words, or 
lines, and read by that amount if needed, such as in a poem or recipe, or it 
will read continuously with the play button. To get this to work, you first 
have to touch the single line of text on the screen, it will say text and read 
the line. Sometimes, you have to swipe around a bit to find this line, it is 
there. Also, the selecting and manipulating text now works quite well. Put the 
cursor before the first word you wish to select, then follow the voice dream 
directions. 

Arnold Schmidt

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Accessible group games to play with sighted players

[Richard Turner]

Hello,
Some friends want to know if there are multiplayer games that are accessible to 
VoiceOver that also have a visual component.
I have not delved into games like that.
I could dig around at AppleVis.com but I would like to know if anyone has any 
suggestions from personal experience to save me digging through all the notes 
on Applevis.

Thanks,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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How to fully subscribe to Noggin using Amazon prime video?

[Dacia Luck]

I have downloaded the Noggin app on my iPhone, but in order to watch things, it 
is telling me that I have to subscribe to it through Amazon prime video or 
something else. How do I do that? Can I do it on my phone or do I have to do it 
on my computer? What are the steps?
Dacia

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RE: Braille characters on a Braille display

[Richard Turner]

Using my computer, there was no hello, until you said after that line.
So, if those are graphic characters, no.
VoiceOver translates printed characters into braille.
If they are an image, no.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ben 
Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille characters on a Braille display

Hi all

Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille characters to 
a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
example:
⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot numbers but 
if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets Brailled. Does anyone know 
any way of getting Braille characters to show up on a display?

Cheers,
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Braille characters on a Braille display

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi all

Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille
characters to a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
example:
⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot
numbers but if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets
Brailled. Does anyone know any way of getting Braille characters to
show up on a display?

Cheers,
Ben.

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Re: Background.

[Isaac Hebert]

To adjust phone noise cancelation, go to settings.  Next go to
accessibility.  Next choose audio/visual, and then you can turn phone
noise cancelation on or off.
HTH

On 6/22/20, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> That's it, I've heard of noise cancellation. What does that do, and where
> would you set it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 9:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Background.
>
> The only related setting is the Noise cancelation which I suspect is
> designed mostly for headphones.
> Though, I don't know.
> The microphones are quite sensitive, so I'm not sure how that would work.
> You could call Apple and ask.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
>
>   On Jun 21, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   Anna, I thought there was an option so that my ambient sound would be
> reduced, when I'm on speaker phone talking to someone, thanks.
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf
> Of Anna Dresner
>   Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:32 PM
>   To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>   Subject: Re: Background.
>   
>   Hi Carolyn,
>   
>   Do you mean VoiceOver sounds? If so, open VoiceOver settings and go to
> Audio Settings, then Sounds & Haptics. You can turn them off there. You can
> also add Sounds to the rotor to make it easy to switch them on and off if
> you want them sometimes but not at others.
>   
>   Best,
>   Anna
>   
>   
>   
>
>   On Jun 21, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
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>   
>   
>
>   Where is it that you go to turn off background sounds?
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>   Thanks.
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RE: Background.

[Carolyn]

That's it, I've heard of noise cancellation. What does that do, and where would 
you set it? 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 9:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Background.

The only related setting is the Noise cancelation which I suspect is designed 
mostly for headphones. 
Though, I don't know.
The microphones are quite sensitive, so I'm not sure how that would work.
You could call Apple and ask.






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On Jun 21, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:



Anna, I thought there was an option so that my ambient sound would be 
reduced, when I'm on speaker phone talking to someone, thanks. 

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Hi Carolyn,

Do you mean VoiceOver sounds? If so, open VoiceOver settings and go to 
Audio Settings, then Sounds & Haptics. You can turn them off there. You can 
also add Sounds to the rotor to make it easy to switch them on and off if you 
want them sometimes but not at others.

Best,
Anna




On Jun 21, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
wrote:





Where is it that you go to turn off background sounds?


Thanks. 





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Re: Instacart

[Lisa Belville]

Marie, Their support department suggestions are just bizarre. I use 
Instacart all of the time with several apps open and this doesn't do 
anything to the usability of the app.



Just out of curiosity, have you tried using the Instacart web site to 
place the order?






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On 6/21/2020 9:33 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:

The strange thing is that I had been placing orders and then for about a month 
now I can’t get them to go through. I wind up placing them over the phone and 
they take longer as I have to get to a 3rd person to do so.T hey advised me to 
log out and log back in and be quite sure I’m not in airplane mode. They also 
said I shouldd close all other apps. I’m not sure why this would make a 
difference as the apps are in sleep mode. Anyway I’lll try Lisa’s suggestions 
next time I place an order.


On Jun 20, 2020, at 12:41 PM, ms.sunflowe...@gmail.com wrote:

That's so weird!  I have been able to place orders without any problems.  Have 
you gone through everything to make sure all of your information is correct?  
I'm sure you have but that's all I can think of.  Wish I could be of more help!
Tammy

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I have been unable to place my order for at least a month. I had Apple pay set 
up on my iPhone 11. I had been running iOS 3.4 something. Would choose my 
delivery time and then double tap the place order button. It would give me a 
message to please choose my delivery time. I called Apple support and they 
confirmed I had selected my delivery time. They tried to assist me by turning 
off v/o and then placing the order but we were unsuccessful. They were able to 
find me a phone number for Instacart support. I had to change my payment method 
so they could place the order. Subsequently, I tried to place orders and the 
button to place the order was dim. I had updated to 3.5.1 in the meantime but I 
am still unable to place my orders. Is anyone having similar issues using v/o 
with Instacart? Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Re: Availability of iPhone SE2020 cases?

[Debby]

Hi Gerardo,

The iPhone 8 is the same size and the controls and camera are in the same place 
as the SE 2020.

Debby



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> In preparing myself for when Telcel (my carrier) restocks the iPHones SE 2nd 
> Generation, my sister (who got herself an SE2020 last month), has been 
> looking online to get herself and me, a case; however she says that cases for 
> iPHones SE2020 aren’t available yet here in Mexico! So between an iPHone 7 or 
> 8 case, which would be the nearest in terms of camera and other controls, 
> that would fit a new sE? Thanks for info.
> 
> Gera
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Availability of iPhone SE2020 cases?

[Gerardo Corripio]

In preparing myself for when Telcel (my carrier) restocks the iPHones SE 2nd 
Generation, my sister (who got herself an SE2020 last month), has been looking 
online to get herself and me, a case; however she says that cases for iPHones 
SE2020 aren’t available yet here in Mexico! So between an iPHone 7 or 8 case, 
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Re: Mark is on the Move

[lenron brown]

for the most part I found zillo to be pretty accessible. Seemed as if
a couple things just said button but not all that bad. Will also check
out this other app you mentioned.

On 6/19/20, Mervin Keck  wrote:
> Good Evening:
> We are relocating after twelve years from Florida back to Pennsylvania and
> we also used both the iPhone and the PC version of that resource. We found
> it to be accessible and a very valuable resource which met our very urgent
> needs.
> Merv
>
> -Original Message-
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> Taylor
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>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Because this is a public forum, I will not speak as to the specifics but I
> wanted you all to know that I recently moved to a new residence and that I
> used Zillow for iOS, exclusively, to accomplish this endeavor.
>
> Actually, I tried several other home finding apps and websites but always
> found myself returning to Zillow, primarily, because of its VoiceOver
> accessability, its integration with Apple Maps, and the fact that I could
> take notes on the various properties, from within the app, itself.
>
> So, if, like me, you find yourself on the move, give Zillow for iOS a try.
>
> Mark
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RE: Can You Label Photos for Easier Identification?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi yes you can lable photos. You 3 finger tap and hold on the photo vo will 
make a 3 toan sound and then you can put a name of the photo. I have found 
though that this doesn't always work meening that the name doesn't always stick 
and I have not figured out why this is. From Mich.

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I believe that, if you use TapTapSee, you can use the app to identify
the photo and then there is an option to save a copy of the image with
the description that the app gives you as it's name.

On 6/21/20, Steve Sweeney  wrote:
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> Would it not be the last one in your camera role? Open photos and click on
> the photos tab, lower left corner.  Scroll down to the bottom of the list
> and look for the last photo taken.  It will tell you the date and might try
> to describe the picture.  If that doesn't work, you can set the Date Range
> to be the day you took the photo if you need to.
> HTH -Steve
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> pagador
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 11:38 AM
> To: viphone 
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>
> Hi, Everyone.
> Is there a way to label a photo for easy identification? My husband took a
> picture a while ago of our rice cooker to be able to get its model info for
> my Mom. I can't find the photo either by using the brand name or the object
> name (though I doubt rice cooker would be in Apple's AI database).
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> Ideas?
>
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