advise on updating phone.

[Adam Morris]

Hi all,
have a 13 pro currently.
Am thinking to update to a 14 pro max for better battery life.
Sales guy says if I update to a 14 pro I should get better battery life 
than the 13 pro since the tests Apple run are in a controled environment.

I doubt this.
From what I gather the 14 pro plus isn't an update to the 13 pro max 
since it still uses the same chip and not the updated one.


Thoughts?
TIA.

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unzip apps?

[goshawk on horseback]

hello all, 
am hoping someone here can help me to find the most useful unzip app please. 
as there are quite a few of them, so what I am looking for, if possible, is as 
follows: 
fully accessible/usable with voice-over. 
should be able to handle zip files with folders and subfolders, as most of what 
I will be unzipping will be audio books, sets of audio books, sets of radio or 
tv series, and such, (hope that makes sense).
it would be desirable if the app could handle different formats. at a guess, 
most of the files will probably be the standard .zip ones, but sometimes there 
may be others in other formats. 
I am not a budget freak, so am not bothered if it is a paid or free one, as 
long as it hopefully meets my requirements. 

Simon 

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RE: Strange issue with my app switcher

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Katrina,

First of all, it sounds to me like maybe something went not quite right with 
your update because I have not heard of any issues with people being able to 
power off their phone in the usual way, e.g. press volume up, press volume down 
and then press and hold the side button for about a second or two until the 
power off screen comes up.
You mention the "double tap to power off", "emergency call" and "cancel" 
screen. Just FYI, there is no emergency call on that screen and hasn't been for 
some time.
Also, you say to do a hard reset you press volume up and volume down and then 
you hold volume down and the side button at the same time. I assume it is no 
surprise that this won't force a hard reset because it is the wrong button 
press combination. Yes, you press volume up followed by volume down, but then 
all you do is press and hold the side button for maybe a 12 to 15 count 
depending on how fast you count. 
Also, in iOS 16 you can simply tell Siri "Reboot my phone", you will be asked 
"Just to confirm, you want to restart this device", then you say "Yes" and the 
phone reboots, nothing to press or do, just wait until the lockscreen comes 
back up.
I have an iPhone 11 and while I am on the iOS 16.1 Beta after using the 
official iOS 16 and 16.02 release for a short time, I don't recall the app 
switcher issue to be present for every app, e.g. if you had 10 apps open if I 
remember correctly only the last one was listed twice.
Anyways, I would highly recommend you maybe start with a simple reboot, if that 
doesn't help try Settings > General > Reset and select "Reset Network Settings. 
This will require you to re-enter your Wi-Fi password and name you r phone 
again in Settings > General > About, but it can often have some quite 
beneficial results.
If that also doesn't help make sure you have a backup and completely reset  
your phone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Katrina 
Anderson
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Strange issue with my app switcher

Yes, definitely having issues with the app switcher.  I was forced to update to 
16.0.3 on my iPhone 8, in order to use my new airPods Pro.  Many Things have 
been challenging ever since.  After entering the app switcher, it is necessary 
to listen for "active" after the app name.  If you just hear the name of the 
app, keep swiping; if you have several apps open, this can be frustrating and 
time consuming.  

I am so upset with what's happening with the notification center.  Until 
speaking with Apple Accessibility, I was unable to open notifications.  I could 
clear notifications but not open them.  I read somewhere that "list" should be 
selected in the notification settings, so I did that; there was no change.  I 
learned about a work around, and am grateful for it, but again it is so 
frustrating.  I have to double tap on a notification, quickly swipe left to 
where I hear open, and then quickly double tap.  And, I am not kidding about 
the need to move quickly.  This method has been working pretty well until there 
was a reminder in the notification center; notifications could only be removed 
after I cleared the reminder.

I don't understand why, but I am unable to do a hard reset after the update.  
After tapping the volume buttons (up and then down) and then holding in on the 
down volume/side button for well over 30 seconds until my hands give out, the 
screen with "double tap to power off", "emergency call" and "cancel" remains 
and does not shut down/reset.  I wanted to try the forced reset to try and 
remedy the crazy behaviors; turns out, I don't think that would have helped as 
others are experiencing the same issues.

I'm wondering if my issues are related to my using the iPhone 8?  It would be 
interesting to know if similar issues occur on newer phones.  I'm giving 
serious thought to getting a 14 Pro, but I hear things aren't all that great 
for users of that model and/or IOS 16.0.3.  I am nervous about the combination 
of dealing with learning to function without the home button and at the same 
time dealing with IOS 16 issues.  As part of my research and/or decision making 
process as to whether to switch to the 14 Pro, while at the Apple Store the 
other day, I tried to open the app switcher and control center.  I didn't get 
to play around for more than 5 minutes, but never had success using the 
techniques described on this list.  An employee said it may be due to the 
device only being a model and not a fully functioning phone.  Another employee 
said they have 2 visually impaired employees on staff, but both weren't in that 
day.  He remarked that one of those employees mentioned that there is a problem 
with accessing the app center via voiceover when using IOS 16, and that perhaps 
that is why I didn't have success.  

Katrina  

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Sent: F

RE: Strange issue with my app switcher

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I thought the app switcher thing with an app occasionally being shown twice had 
already been resolved? If not then it certainly seems to be resolved in iOS 
16.1 which I expect will be released either the week of October 24 or during 
the first week of November, OK, so it could also be the week of November 7, but 
I doubt it would be later than that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange issue with my app switcher

It isn't a big deal not to have a home button.  I also have an iPhone
8 as well as an iPhone 13 pro max.  There are some bugs with the app switcher 
in IOS 16.  That is why you are seeing apps twice.  It is very annoying.  I 
think the notification stuff is different in IOS 16.

On 10/14/22, Katrina Anderson  wrote:
> Yes, definitely having issues with the app switcher.  I was forced to 
> update to 16.0.3 on my iPhone 8, in order to use my new airPods Pro.  
> Many Things have been challenging ever since.  After entering the app 
> switcher, it is necessary to listen for "active" after the app name.  
> If you just hear the name of the app, keep swiping; if you have 
> several apps open, this can be frustrating and time consuming.
>
> I am so upset with what's happening with the notification center.  
> Until speaking with Apple Accessibility, I was unable to open 
> notifications.  I could clear notifications but not open them.  I read 
> somewhere that "list"
> should be selected in the notification settings, so I did that; there 
> was no change.  I learned about a work around, and am grateful for it, 
> but again it is so frustrating.  I have to double tap on a 
> notification, quickly swipe left to where I hear open, and then 
> quickly double tap.  And, I am not kidding about the need to move 
> quickly.  This method has been working pretty well until there was a 
> reminder in the notification center; notifications could only be removed 
> after I cleared the reminder.
>
> I don't understand why, but I am unable to do a hard reset after the update.
>  After tapping the volume buttons (up and then down) and then holding 
> in on the down volume/side button for well over 30 seconds until my 
> hands give out, the screen with "double tap to power off", "emergency 
> call" and "cancel" remains and does not shut down/reset.  I wanted to 
> try the forced reset to try and remedy the crazy behaviors; turns out, 
> I don't think that would have helped as others are experiencing the same 
> issues.
>
> I'm wondering if my issues are related to my using the iPhone 8?  It 
> would be interesting to know if similar issues occur on newer phones.  
> I'm giving serious thought to getting a 14 Pro, but I hear things 
> aren't all that great for users of that model and/or IOS 16.0.3.  I am 
> nervous about the combination of dealing with learning to function 
> without the home button and at the same time dealing with IOS 16 
> issues.  As part of my research and/or decision making process as to 
> whether to switch to the 14 Pro, while at the Apple Store the other 
> day, I tried to open the app switcher and control center.  I didn't 
> get to play around for more than 5 minutes, but never had success 
> using the techniques described on this list.  An employee said it may 
> be due to the device only being a model and not a fully functioning 
> phone.  Another employee said they have 2 visually impaired employees 
> on staff, but both weren't in that day.  He remarked that one of those 
> employees mentioned that there is a problem with accessing the app 
> center via voiceover when using IOS 16, and that perhaps that is why I didn't 
> have success.
>
> Katrina
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Barry Abbott
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 7:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Strange issue with my app switcher
>
> Hello, all I noticed that when I open the app switcher there seems to 
> be two occurrences of the app. For example, if I had just mail open, I 
> would hear the word mail and then if I swipe to the right, it would 
> say mail button and then I can flick up and close it if I do not swipe 
> to the second Word I can’t close it. I wonder if anyone else is having 
> this issue? I’m not sure if I phrased it very well, but it seems bizarre to 
> me.
>
> Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone
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RE: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Barbara, I understand the idea behind thinking being able to replace a battery 
would be desirable. However, with these modern Lithium batteries and the 
availability of external power banks there really is little or maybe I should 
say no reason why this would be of interest to people. You could never have a 
thin and sleek phone if you needed a battery cover and a compartment to hold an 
external battery. Waterproofness would not be impossible since for example all 
Garmin GPS's are IPX7 waterproof and most of them use AA batteries, but 
primarily it would add much in terms of size and bulk and really for nothing. 
It is actually possible to order battery replacement kits from Apple and I know 
sighted people who will use the special tools which come with the kit and then 
switch out their battery, but I so far have not heard of a blind person being 
able to do this and considering that you can have it done for $49 at an Apple 
Store I personally don't see much sense in it unless you really enjoy tinkering 
and like doing this sort of thing..

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

Before the iphone, I used to have two nochia phones with a specially installed 
screen reader on them.  This made them pretty accessible. But The iphone is 
much better. I wouldn't go back, I was just saying that I wished that you could 
change the batteries as easily as you could with them.  I never ever ever want 
to go back to to texting using a phone key bad, it was just terrible, lol.


On Oct 14, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And I don't miss the days when I dropped my old flip phone or whatever I had at 
the time and phone, battery cover, battery and all came apart and were 
skittering down the street  in different directions.
I also remember buying an extra battery for some phone I had back then and 
paying $69 or $79 for just a second battery which of course was not a Lithium 
battery so it would develop a memory after a year or two.
Now you go to Apple and for $49 they put in a new battery, doesn't sound very 
complicated to me and if I were at 80% battery capacity and were planning to 
keep my iPhone 8 for at least another year I would do it in a heartbeat.
Of course you can always go back to a non-smartphone, pretty sure you can still 
get a flip phone, but then of course you can say good bye to accessible 
texting, contacts, GPS navigation, reading books on your phone, doing some 
quick OCR of some piece of mail lying on your desk, checking the weather, your 
bank balance and I could continue for several more lines listing things I do 
with my smartphone. Is an iPhone expensive? Yes, no doubt, but what about the 
$2,000 Canadian I spend on the HPPDA with MobileGeo back in 2005 or 2006 which 
was the first truly portable and accessible GPS. It had this funny overlay with 
the buttons so the touch screen of the PDA was pressed in the right places and 
one of the things I remember the most is how often I had to stop walking and 
reboot the thing because it wasn't working.
Then there was the $500 for my Booksense and later when I had my first Windows 
5.1 smartphone I had to buy MobileSpeak for $300 and MobileGeo for $900 to have 
a screenreader and GPS. I used to buy these little HTC smartphones which had 
the full keyboard with buttons and they were around $400 so add this up, $400 + 
$300 for the screenreader and $900 for the GPS and you now just spend $1,600 
for an accessible smartphone with GPS. I could now go to an Apple Store and buy 
an iPhone SE 2022 for $579 Canadian and while this is Apple's "lowest-end" 
iPhone, it is still 5 times more stable and reliable and I can do 10 times as 
much with it.
It's easy to forget what we had or did not have even 15 years ago and how far 
this technology has come and what Apple's move to making these devices 
accessible out of the box has done for accessibility in general. It's all too 
easy to complain about new bugs when a new version of iOS comes out and about 
the lack of accessibility in some apps, but let's face it, we do have it pretty 
good these days. Yes, I know Apple did not develop Voiceover on the Mac and all 
iOS devices, watches and Apple TV's out of pure goodness and all that, but they 
started the ball rolling in a direction nobody thought it could go before and 
to a large degree it is because of that why Android accessibility is what it is 
now, why Microsoft is putting a lot of effort into making Narrator a better 
experience and why just about every large company nowadays has some sort of 
accessibility department.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
Unfortunately a lot of things on th

Re: Strange issue with my app switcher

[Joshua Hendrickson]

It isn't a big deal not to have a home button.  I also have an iPhone
8 as well as an iPhone 13 pro max.  There are some bugs with the app
switcher in IOS 16.  That is why you are seeing apps twice.  It is
very annoying.  I think the notification stuff is different in IOS 16.

On 10/14/22, Katrina Anderson  wrote:
> Yes, definitely having issues with the app switcher.  I was forced to update
> to 16.0.3 on my iPhone 8, in order to use my new airPods Pro.  Many Things
> have been challenging ever since.  After entering the app switcher, it is
> necessary to listen for "active" after the app name.  If you just hear the
> name of the app, keep swiping; if you have several apps open, this can be
> frustrating and time consuming.
>
> I am so upset with what's happening with the notification center.  Until
> speaking with Apple Accessibility, I was unable to open notifications.  I
> could clear notifications but not open them.  I read somewhere that "list"
> should be selected in the notification settings, so I did that; there was no
> change.  I learned about a work around, and am grateful for it, but again it
> is so frustrating.  I have to double tap on a notification, quickly swipe
> left to where I hear open, and then quickly double tap.  And, I am not
> kidding about the need to move quickly.  This method has been working pretty
> well until there was a reminder in the notification center; notifications
> could only be removed after I cleared the reminder.
>
> I don't understand why, but I am unable to do a hard reset after the update.
>  After tapping the volume buttons (up and then down) and then holding in on
> the down volume/side button for well over 30 seconds until my hands give
> out, the screen with "double tap to power off", "emergency call" and
> "cancel" remains and does not shut down/reset.  I wanted to try the forced
> reset to try and remedy the crazy behaviors; turns out, I don't think that
> would have helped as others are experiencing the same issues.
>
> I'm wondering if my issues are related to my using the iPhone 8?  It would
> be interesting to know if similar issues occur on newer phones.  I'm giving
> serious thought to getting a 14 Pro, but I hear things aren't all that great
> for users of that model and/or IOS 16.0.3.  I am nervous about the
> combination of dealing with learning to function without the home button and
> at the same time dealing with IOS 16 issues.  As part of my research and/or
> decision making process as to whether to switch to the 14 Pro, while at the
> Apple Store the other day, I tried to open the app switcher and control
> center.  I didn't get to play around for more than 5 minutes, but never had
> success using the techniques described on this list.  An employee said it
> may be due to the device only being a model and not a fully functioning
> phone.  Another employee said they have 2 visually impaired employees on
> staff, but both weren't in that day.  He remarked that one of those
> employees mentioned that there is a problem with accessing the app center
> via voiceover when using IOS 16, and that perhaps that is why I didn't have
> success.
>
> Katrina
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barry
> Abbott
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 7:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Strange issue with my app switcher
>
> Hello, all I noticed that when I open the app switcher there seems to be two
> occurrences of the app. For example, if I had just mail open, I would hear
> the word mail and then if I swipe to the right, it would say mail button and
> then I can flick up and close it if I do not swipe to the second Word I
> can’t close it. I wonder if anyone else is having this issue? I’m not sure
> if I phrased it very well, but it seems bizarre to me.
>
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Re: item switcher? VERY DIFFERENT in IOS16

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Make sure the item you want to close in the app switcher says active.
I haven't had that many problems with the app switcher.  Good luck.

On 10/10/22, Curtis Delzer  wrote:
> Since I've had the upgrade, one thing which really  irritates me is the
> wrong item gets turned off in item switcher when the one you want is
> announced. Never b4 in any other IOS build has this happened to me,
> since way back in the days of my iPhone 5.0 so is it just me?
>
> If me then my fingers are all screwed up, but if not would some kind
> soul describe to me how to make sure I am on the right item when all the
> time in the past the item was cheerfully and properly and thoroughly and
> completely  announced before I slid up 3 fingers to stop it from running.
>
> And, on a similar vein? or is it vane? whose doing the pointing; anyway,
>
> the rates of the voices aren't the same from level 55 to the highest,
> there is a big jump when it should be more gradual, particularly when
> using Alex, (who still breathes by the way)
>
> Seems someone describe how to fine tune the adjustment, but I've
> forgotten how to . . .
>
> And, have you noticed also that the voice says the word for the
> condition of contact, e.g. home, work, school, or whatever without
> hardly a word space between,
>
> Joe Johnson work, Sally goody-3-shoes work.
>
> or bryan berp school?
>
> so, now I've let down my hair, lets hope some barber doesn't come round
> and find my head on the floor instead. :)
>
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RE: Correction to my app switcher issue

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, I'm seeing this as well, and this was mentioned in the Applevis post that 
came out when IOS 16 was released.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barry 
Abbott
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Correction to my app switcher issue

What I meant to say, was using the mail example what I would first here is the 
word mail and then I would swipe right and I hear mail active and I have to go 
there in order to close the app. I am using the iPhone 13 Pro. 

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RE: Strange issue with my app switcher

[Katrina Anderson]

Yes, definitely having issues with the app switcher.  I was forced to update to 
16.0.3 on my iPhone 8, in order to use my new airPods Pro.  Many Things have 
been challenging ever since.  After entering the app switcher, it is necessary 
to listen for "active" after the app name.  If you just hear the name of the 
app, keep swiping; if you have several apps open, this can be frustrating and 
time consuming.  

I am so upset with what's happening with the notification center.  Until 
speaking with Apple Accessibility, I was unable to open notifications.  I could 
clear notifications but not open them.  I read somewhere that "list" should be 
selected in the notification settings, so I did that; there was no change.  I 
learned about a work around, and am grateful for it, but again it is so 
frustrating.  I have to double tap on a notification, quickly swipe left to 
where I hear open, and then quickly double tap.  And, I am not kidding about 
the need to move quickly.  This method has been working pretty well until there 
was a reminder in the notification center; notifications could only be removed 
after I cleared the reminder.

I don't understand why, but I am unable to do a hard reset after the update.  
After tapping the volume buttons (up and then down) and then holding in on the 
down volume/side button for well over 30 seconds until my hands give out, the 
screen with "double tap to power off", "emergency call" and "cancel" remains 
and does not shut down/reset.  I wanted to try the forced reset to try and 
remedy the crazy behaviors; turns out, I don't think that would have helped as 
others are experiencing the same issues.

I'm wondering if my issues are related to my using the iPhone 8?  It would be 
interesting to know if similar issues occur on newer phones.  I'm giving 
serious thought to getting a 14 Pro, but I hear things aren't all that great 
for users of that model and/or IOS 16.0.3.  I am nervous about the combination 
of dealing with learning to function without the home button and at the same 
time dealing with IOS 16 issues.  As part of my research and/or decision making 
process as to whether to switch to the 14 Pro, while at the Apple Store the 
other day, I tried to open the app switcher and control center.  I didn't get 
to play around for more than 5 minutes, but never had success using the 
techniques described on this list.  An employee said it may be due to the 
device only being a model and not a fully functioning phone.  Another employee 
said they have 2 visually impaired employees on staff, but both weren't in that 
day.  He remarked that one of those employees mentioned that there is a problem 
with accessing the app center via voiceover when using IOS 16, and that perhaps 
that is why I didn't have success.  

Katrina  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barry 
Abbott
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 7:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange issue with my app switcher

Hello, all I noticed that when I open the app switcher there seems to be two 
occurrences of the app. For example, if I had just mail open, I would hear the 
word mail and then if I swipe to the right, it would say mail button and then I 
can flick up and close it if I do not swipe to the second Word I can’t close 
it. I wonder if anyone else is having this issue? I’m not sure if I phrased it 
very well, but it seems bizarre to me. 

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What I meant to say, was using the mail example what I would first here is the 
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Strange issue with my app switcher

[Barry Abbott]

Hello, all I noticed that when I open the app switcher there seems to be two 
occurrences of the app. For example, if I had just mail open, I would hear the 
word mail and then if I swipe to the right, it would say mail button and then I 
can flick up and close it if I do not swipe to the second Word I can’t close 
it. I wonder if anyone else is having this issue? I’m not sure if I phrased it 
very well, but it seems bizarre to me. 

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Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Barbara Stahl]

Before the iphone, I used to have two nochia phones with a specially installed 
screen reader on them.  This made them pretty accessible. But The iphone is 
much better. I wouldn't go back, I was just saying that I wished that you could 
change the batteries as easily as you could with them.  I never ever ever want 
to go back to to texting using a phone key bad, it was just terrible, lol.  

> On Oct 14, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> And I don't miss the days when I dropped my old flip phone or whatever I had 
> at the time and phone, battery cover, battery and all came apart and were 
> skittering down the street  in different directions.
> I also remember buying an extra battery for some phone I had back then and 
> paying $69 or $79 for just a second battery which of course was not a Lithium 
> battery so it would develop a memory after a year or two.
> Now you go to Apple and for $49 they put in a new battery, doesn't sound very 
> complicated to me and if I were at 80% battery capacity and were planning to 
> keep my iPhone 8 for at least another year I would do it in a heartbeat.
> Of course you can always go back to a non-smartphone, pretty sure you can 
> still get a flip phone, but then of course you can say good bye to accessible 
> texting, contacts, GPS navigation, reading books on your phone, doing some 
> quick OCR of some piece of mail lying on your desk, checking the weather, 
> your bank balance and I could continue for several more lines listing things 
> I do with my smartphone. Is an iPhone expensive? Yes, no doubt, but what 
> about the $2,000 Canadian I spend on the HPPDA with MobileGeo back in 2005 or 
> 2006 which was the first truly portable and accessible GPS. It had this funny 
> overlay with the buttons so the touch screen of the PDA was pressed in the 
> right places and one of the things I remember the most is how often I had to 
> stop walking and reboot the thing because it wasn't working.
> Then there was the $500 for my Booksense and later when I had my first 
> Windows 5.1 smartphone I had to buy MobileSpeak for $300 and MobileGeo for 
> $900 to have a screenreader and GPS. I used to buy these little HTC 
> smartphones which had the full keyboard with buttons and they were around 
> $400 so add this up, $400 + $300 for the screenreader and $900 for the GPS 
> and you now just spend $1,600 for an accessible smartphone with GPS. I could 
> now go to an Apple Store and buy an iPhone SE 2022 for $579 Canadian and 
> while this is Apple's "lowest-end" iPhone, it is still 5 times more stable 
> and reliable and I can do 10 times as much with it.
> It's easy to forget what we had or did not have even 15 years ago and how far 
> this technology has come and what Apple's move to making these devices 
> accessible out of the box has done for accessibility in general. It's all too 
> easy to complain about new bugs when a new version of iOS comes out and about 
> the lack of accessibility in some apps, but let's face it, we do have it 
> pretty good these days. Yes, I know Apple did not develop Voiceover on the 
> Mac and all iOS devices, watches and Apple TV's out of pure goodness and all 
> that, but they started the ball rolling in a direction nobody thought it 
> could go before and to a large degree it is because of that why Android 
> accessibility is what it is now, why Microsoft is putting a lot of effort 
> into making Narrator a better experience and why just about every large 
> company nowadays has some sort of accessibility department.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Irons
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.
>  
> I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
> Unfortunately a lot of things on the non-smart phones were not accessible to 
> me. That is why I switched over to the iPhone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why 
> does it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my 
> non-smart phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace 
> the battery.  
> Thank you all so much for the info.  
> Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
> mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
> several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage 
> out of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive 
> lol.  
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
> memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK Currency) 
> of tools that are required to do it as a loan.
> There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.
>

RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, doing it via the phone is also a good option.
We live in a small town and I know the pharmacist at one of our local 
pharmacies so I can just call them and make an appointment and then they still 
put it in the system of course so my record is updated accordingly.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

Thanks much, Sieghard, for such a detailed answer and I, as usual, do 
appreciate for that.
You are just a baby *smile*, I was expelled 8 years earlier.
I called:
18338382323 and selected Punjabi instead of English and my flushot was booked 
In two minutes.
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

Hi Fazil,

I just had a look and this is entirely stupid because as soon as you double tap 
on the date of birth a date selector opens, but instead of the usual 3 boxes 
where you can select the year, then the month and then the day, it comes up 
with the current month and year, e.g. October 2022 and you then have a calendar 
where you can tap on any day in October 2022 and it would be selected. There is 
also a picker box where you can flick down and it will change from October 2022 
to September 2022, then to August 2022, then to July and so on. Of course this 
is ridiculous because I tried a double tap and hold then dragging the finger 
down the screen to make this go faster, but it doesn't work so you literally 
would have to flick down hundreds of times to get to your month and year. I 
believe you are somewhere around my age, can't remember, but I was born in 
April of 1967 so I would first have to flick 9 times to get from October 2022 
to January 2022, then for each consequent year I would have to flick 12 times 
so in order to get from January 2022 to January 1968 (54 years) I would have to 
flick 648 times + the 9 flicks for this year and then I would still have to 
flick 9 more times to get from January 1968 to April 1967. So, after 666 flicks 
I could then find April 19 and double tap on that and you better make sure when 
you try to flick really fast you don't mess up because that what happened to me 
when I was somewhere around 1980 and the picker closed and when I opened it 
again I was back in October 2022.
As I said, this is ridiculous and I am pretty sure I would have found a 
different way if there was one so this is one for the computer for sure, when I 
just tried this on my PC the birth date was a simple edit field and it says you 
have to enter your birthdate in the format MMM DD,  so this means you write 
the first 3 letters of the month like Jan, Feb, for April it would be Apr or 
for August it would be Aug, then  you write the day like 02 or 27, then put a 
comma, then put the 4-digit year like 1967 or 1972 or 1959.
There is also a date picker on the computer where people who work in a visual 
mode can easily pick the date and I assume a sighted person can simply drag 
their finger down on the picker in iOS, but it doesn't work with Voiceover.
One last comment, I went back to my iPhone because I initially tried this with 
Safari assuming this is what you use. I use Edge as my default browser on the 
iPhone and while Safari may have this feature and I don't know about it, in 
Edge you can open a website, then tap on the "Browser" tab at the bottom and 
select to "Open as desktop site". This means it will open the desktop version 
of the website and not the mobile version which would be the default on an 
iPhone. When I did this I was also able to enter my birth date on the iPhone in 
that simple text format I described above.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil 
M.
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

Hi, Group.
I have iPhone12 with iOS16.3.
I am having no problem in entering my first, middle and last names on:
Gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated,,
However, I am unable to enter my date of birth here.
How can I enter my DOB here, please?
Thanks!
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RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

[Fazil M.]

Thanks much, Sieghard, for such a detailed answer and I, as usual, do 
appreciate for that.

You are just a baby *smile*, I was expelled 8 years earlier.

I called:

18338382323 and selected Punjabi instead of English and my flushot was booked 
In two minutes.

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

 

Hi Fazil,

 

I just had a look and this is entirely stupid because as soon as you double tap 
on the date of birth a date selector opens, but instead of the usual 3 boxes 
where you can select the year, then the month and then the day, it comes up 
with the current month and year, e.g. October 2022 and you then have a calendar 
where you can tap on any day in October 2022 and it would be selected. There is 
also a picker box where you can flick down and it will change from October 2022 
to September 2022, then to August 2022, then to July and so on. Of course this 
is ridiculous because I tried a double tap and hold then dragging the finger 
down the screen to make this go faster, but it doesn't work so you literally 
would have to flick down hundreds of times to get to your month and year. I 
believe you are somewhere around my age, can't remember, but I was born in 
April of 1967 so I would first have to flick 9 times to get from October 2022 
to January 2022, then for each consequent year I would have to flick 12 times 
so in order to get from January 2022 to January 1968 (54 years) I would have to 
flick 648 times + the 9 flicks for this year and then I would still have to 
flick 9 more times to get from January 1968 to April 1967. So, after 666 flicks 
I could then find April 19 and double tap on that and you better make sure when 
you try to flick really fast you don't mess up because that what happened to me 
when I was somewhere around 1980 and the picker closed and when I opened it 
again I was back in October 2022.

As I said, this is ridiculous and I am pretty sure I would have found a 
different way if there was one so this is one for the computer for sure, when I 
just tried this on my PC the birth date was a simple edit field and it says you 
have to enter your birthdate in the format MMM DD,  so this means you write 
the first 3 letters of the month like Jan, Feb, for April it would be Apr or 
for August it would be Aug, then  you write the day like 02 or 27, then put a 
comma, then put the 4-digit year like 1967 or 1972 or 1959.

There is also a date picker on the computer where people who work in a visual 
mode can easily pick the date and I assume a sighted person can simply drag 
their finger down on the picker in iOS, but it doesn't work with Voiceover.

One last comment, I went back to my iPhone because I initially tried this with 
Safari assuming this is what you use. I use Edge as my default browser on the 
iPhone and while Safari may have this feature and I don't know about it, in 
Edge you can open a website, then tap on the "Browser" tab at the bottom and 
select to "Open as desktop site". This means it will open the desktop version 
of the website and not the mobile version which would be the default on an 
iPhone. When I did this I was also able to enter my birth date on the iPhone in 
that simple text format I described above.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

 

Hi, Group.

I have iPhone12 with iOS16.3.

I am having no problem in entering my first, middle and last names on:

Gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated,,

However, I am unable to enter my date of birth here.

How can I enter my DOB here, please?

Thanks!

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Re: A problem getting into the Ap Store

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’m having the same problem. I think the reason is that it opens as if you’d already tapped on My Account and it has timed out. You have to find the Cancel button, double tap and tgen retryHarryHarry UK On 14 Oct 2022, at 19:05, colleyd1...@gmail.com wrote:I updated my phone to 16.03 and now I can’t get in to the ap store. First it says it’s loading, then it keeps giving me the message that it can’t connect and to try again later. Does anyone know if there is something more I should be doing? Denise



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RE: A problem getting into the Ap Store

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That means that either the App Store has a current and temporary issue or you 
are for some reason not connected to the internet.
The first thing of course would be to reboot your iPhone, now that you use iOS 
16 you can simply tell Siri "Reboot my phone" or reboot my device. Siri will 
ask if you really want to do this and as soon as you say Yes your phone will 
reboot. This is a nice addition over having to shut the phone down and turning 
it back on.
For whatever it is worth I just opened the App Store and had no issues.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A problem getting into the Ap Store

I updated my phone to 16.03 and now I can’t get in to the ap store. First it 
says it’s loading, then it keeps giving me the message that it can’t connect 
and to try again later.

Does anyone know if there is something more I should be doing?

Denise
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RE: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Fazil,

I just had a look and this is entirely stupid because as soon as you double tap 
on the date of birth a date selector opens, but instead of the usual 3 boxes 
where you can select the year, then the month and then the day, it comes up 
with the current month and year, e.g. October 2022 and you then have a calendar 
where you can tap on any day in October 2022 and it would be selected. There is 
also a picker box where you can flick down and it will change from October 2022 
to September 2022, then to August 2022, then to July and so on. Of course this 
is ridiculous because I tried a double tap and hold then dragging the finger 
down the screen to make this go faster, but it doesn't work so you literally 
would have to flick down hundreds of times to get to your month and year. I 
believe you are somewhere around my age, can't remember, but I was born in 
April of 1967 so I would first have to flick 9 times to get from October 2022 
to January 2022, then for each consequent year I would have to flick 12 times 
so in order to get from January 2022 to January 1968 (54 years) I would have to 
flick 648 times + the 9 flicks for this year and then I would still have to 
flick 9 more times to get from January 1968 to April 1967. So, after 666 flicks 
I could then find April 19 and double tap on that and you better make sure when 
you try to flick really fast you don't mess up because that what happened to me 
when I was somewhere around 1980 and the picker closed and when I opened it 
again I was back in October 2022.
As I said, this is ridiculous and I am pretty sure I would have found a 
different way if there was one so this is one for the computer for sure, when I 
just tried this on my PC the birth date was a simple edit field and it says you 
have to enter your birthdate in the format MMM DD,  so this means you write 
the first 3 letters of the month like Jan, Feb, for April it would be Apr or 
for August it would be Aug, then  you write the day like 02 or 27, then put a 
comma, then put the 4-digit year like 1967 or 1972 or 1959.
There is also a date picker on the computer where people who work in a visual 
mode can easily pick the date and I assume a sighted person can simply drag 
their finger down on the picker in iOS, but it doesn't work with Voiceover.
One last comment, I went back to my iPhone because I initially tried this with 
Safari assuming this is what you use. I use Edge as my default browser on the 
iPhone and while Safari may have this feature and I don't know about it, in 
Edge you can open a website, then tap on the "Browser" tab at the bottom and 
select to "Open as desktop site". This means it will open the desktop version 
of the website and not the mobile version which would be the default on an 
iPhone. When I did this I was also able to enter my birth date on the iPhone in 
that simple text format I described above.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Entering Data on gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated?

Hi, Group.
I have iPhone12 with iOS16.3.
I am having no problem in entering my first, middle and last names on:
Gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated,,
However, I am unable to enter my date of birth here.
How can I enter my DOB here, please?
Thanks!
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The

A problem getting into the Ap Store

[colleyd1952]

I updated my phone to 16.03 and now I can't get in to the ap store. First it
says it's loading, then it keeps giving me the message that it can't connect
and to try again later.

 

Does anyone know if there is something more I should be doing?

 

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RE: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Fazil M.]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Everything you have said is true, whole truth, nothing but the 
truth.

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to replace an iphone's battery.

 

And I don't miss the days when I dropped my old flip phone or whatever I had at 
the time and phone, battery cover, battery and all came apart and were 
skittering down the street  in different directions.

I also remember buying an extra battery for some phone I had back then and 
paying $69 or $79 for just a second battery which of course was not a Lithium 
battery so it would develop a memory after a year or two.

Now you go to Apple and for $49 they put in a new battery, doesn't sound very 
complicated to me and if I were at 80% battery capacity and were planning to 
keep my iPhone 8 for at least another year I would do it in a heartbeat.

Of course you can always go back to a non-smartphone, pretty sure you can still 
get a flip phone, but then of course you can say good bye to accessible 
texting, contacts, GPS navigation, reading books on your phone, doing some 
quick OCR of some piece of mail lying on your desk, checking the weather, your 
bank balance and I could continue for several more lines listing things I do 
with my smartphone. Is an iPhone expensive? Yes, no doubt, but what about the 
$2,000 Canadian I spend on the HPPDA with MobileGeo back in 2005 or 2006 which 
was the first truly portable and accessible GPS. It had this funny overlay with 
the buttons so the touch screen of the PDA was pressed in the right places and 
one of the things I remember the most is how often I had to stop walking and 
reboot the thing because it wasn't working.

Then there was the $500 for my Booksense and later when I had my first Windows 
5.1 smartphone I had to buy MobileSpeak for $300 and MobileGeo for $900 to have 
a screenreader and GPS. I used to buy these little HTC smartphones which had 
the full keyboard with buttons and they were around $400 so add this up, $400 + 
$300 for the screenreader and $900 for the GPS and you now just spend $1,600 
for an accessible smartphone with GPS. I could now go to an Apple Store and buy 
an iPhone SE 2022 for $579 Canadian and while this is Apple's "lowest-end" 
iPhone, it is still 5 times more stable and reliable and I can do 10 times as 
much with it.

It's easy to forget what we had or did not have even 15 years ago and how far 
this technology has come and what Apple's move to making these devices 
accessible out of the box has done for accessibility in general. It's all too 
easy to complain about new bugs when a new version of iOS comes out and about 
the lack of accessibility in some apps, but let's face it, we do have it pretty 
good these days. Yes, I know Apple did not develop Voiceover on the Mac and all 
iOS devices, watches and Apple TV's out of pure goodness and all that, but they 
started the ball rolling in a direction nobody thought it could go before and 
to a large degree it is because of that why Android accessibility is what it is 
now, why Microsoft is putting a lot of effort into making Narrator a better 
experience and why just about every large company nowadays has some sort of 
accessibility department.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

 

I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
Unfortunately a lot of things on the non-smart phones were not accessible to 
me. That is why I switched over to the iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Barbara Stahl mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why does 
it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my non-smart 
phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace the battery.  

Thank you all so much for the info.  

Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage out 
of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive lol.  

 

On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK Currency) 
of tools that are required to do it as a loan.

There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.

 

  Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

 

On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Barbara Stahl mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> >

RE: battery health

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If your battery health/capacity is really at 30% and you plan to use this phone 
in any meaningful way without it being permanently plugged in you should simply 
spend the $49 and get a new battery put in. Nobody can tell you whether it will 
work for 1 hour, 30 minutes or 2 hours as that would depend entirely on what 
you do at the time and even how good your cell signal is, if you are in an area 
with really good coverage the phone will use less battery than if you are 
somewhere with hardly any service where it will constantly search for towers 
trying to connect.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 7:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: battery health

U, What I was trying to ask is this.

I wonder how long that phone will function with a battery that is at 30% of its 
original 100% power level.

1 hour?  Or, maybe a bit more?

James B

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery health

Well, seeing as is Apple supports released devices for 6 years before they call 
it quits, here is what I found make of it what you will: 
https://www.alphr.com/iphone-8-support-end-date/
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2022, at 3:31 PM, 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah.  I wonder how long that phone works before it goes dead.

James B

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: battery health

Wow, I can't imagine maximum battery capacity in the 30 percents.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHELA Robles
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery health

I remember when I had to get my replacement iPhone 8 Plus last year that my 
other one was significantly degraded as far as the battery health goes and it 
was at 30% or at least around there I can’t exactly remember but I know it was 
lower than 50%. sorry for any dictation errors.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Good grief. Mine on my 11 is at 90% after almost three years.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery health

It’s at 80% because mine at 79% after having this SE2020 for two years and 
months (JUne of 2020), and mine says the battery is degraded, and it’s at 79%. 
Even though it’s degraded, Ihaven’t had any problems of the phone shutting down 
and others.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


  El 13 oct 2022, a la(s) 10:08 a.m., Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> escribió:



  
  Hi Paula,

  I do recall a discussion about that a while back. I thought the number was 
80%. I am actually assisting someone with this who has had her iPhone for three 
years. Her capacity is at 85%. I know mine was at the same level before I 
traded mine in for a new iPhone 14 Pro. if that number is incorrect, I’m 
certain somebody will jump in and provide the specific number.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 13, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Paula Jordan 
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:



  

  Hi all. Some time ago there was discussion about when to replace an 
iphone  battery. I remember that at a certain percentage level shown in the 
battery health setting you should consider replacing the battery, but I can’t 
remember what that percentage is. Could someone please refresh my memory. 
Thanks in advance.

  God bless!

  Paula and the pups



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RE: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And I don't miss the days when I dropped my old flip phone or whatever I had at 
the time and phone, battery cover, battery and all came apart and were 
skittering down the street  in different directions.
I also remember buying an extra battery for some phone I had back then and 
paying $69 or $79 for just a second battery which of course was not a Lithium 
battery so it would develop a memory after a year or two.
Now you go to Apple and for $49 they put in a new battery, doesn't sound very 
complicated to me and if I were at 80% battery capacity and were planning to 
keep my iPhone 8 for at least another year I would do it in a heartbeat.
Of course you can always go back to a non-smartphone, pretty sure you can still 
get a flip phone, but then of course you can say good bye to accessible 
texting, contacts, GPS navigation, reading books on your phone, doing some 
quick OCR of some piece of mail lying on your desk, checking the weather, your 
bank balance and I could continue for several more lines listing things I do 
with my smartphone. Is an iPhone expensive? Yes, no doubt, but what about the 
$2,000 Canadian I spend on the HPPDA with MobileGeo back in 2005 or 2006 which 
was the first truly portable and accessible GPS. It had this funny overlay with 
the buttons so the touch screen of the PDA was pressed in the right places and 
one of the things I remember the most is how often I had to stop walking and 
reboot the thing because it wasn't working.
Then there was the $500 for my Booksense and later when I had my first Windows 
5.1 smartphone I had to buy MobileSpeak for $300 and MobileGeo for $900 to have 
a screenreader and GPS. I used to buy these little HTC smartphones which had 
the full keyboard with buttons and they were around $400 so add this up, $400 + 
$300 for the screenreader and $900 for the GPS and you now just spend $1,600 
for an accessible smartphone with GPS. I could now go to an Apple Store and buy 
an iPhone SE 2022 for $579 Canadian and while this is Apple's "lowest-end" 
iPhone, it is still 5 times more stable and reliable and I can do 10 times as 
much with it.
It's easy to forget what we had or did not have even 15 years ago and how far 
this technology has come and what Apple's move to making these devices 
accessible out of the box has done for accessibility in general. It's all too 
easy to complain about new bugs when a new version of iOS comes out and about 
the lack of accessibility in some apps, but let's face it, we do have it pretty 
good these days. Yes, I know Apple did not develop Voiceover on the Mac and all 
iOS devices, watches and Apple TV's out of pure goodness and all that, but they 
started the ball rolling in a direction nobody thought it could go before and 
to a large degree it is because of that why Android accessibility is what it is 
now, why Microsoft is putting a lot of effort into making Narrator a better 
experience and why just about every large company nowadays has some sort of 
accessibility department.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 9:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
Unfortunately a lot of things on the non-smart phones were not accessible to 
me. That is why I switched over to the iPhone.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Barbara Stahl  
wrote:

Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why does 
it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my non-smart 
phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace the battery.
Thank you all so much for the info.
Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage out 
of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive lol.


On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK Currency) 
of tools that are required to do it as a loan.
There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.

  Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi!
So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone 
battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you have 
to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery and 
replace it myself?

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Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Michael Irons]

I like the non-smart phones where you could replace the battery yourself. 
Unfortunately a lot of things on the non-smart phones were not accessible to 
me. That is why I switched over to the iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why 
> does it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my 
> non-smart phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace 
> the battery.  
> Thank you all so much for the info.  
> Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
> mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
> several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage 
> out of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive 
> lol.  
> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>> Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
>> memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK 
>> Currency) of tools that are required to do it as a loan.
>> There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Barbara Stahl  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!  
>>> So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone 
>>> battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you 
>>> have to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery 
>>> and replace it myself?  
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Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Barbara Stahl]

Wow, That's crazy. I definitely won't be trying to replace it myself.  Why does 
it have to be so complicated.  It makes me a bit nostalgic for my non-smart 
phones where you could just pop open the back and easily replace the battery.  
Thank you all so much for the info.  
Hopefully they will still have iphone 8 batteries when I'm ready to replace 
mine.  The battery health says its running at 80 percent which still gives me 
several hours of use before it runs down.  I hope to get a bit more milage out 
of my phone before upgrading, because these devices are crazy expensive lol.  

> On Oct 14, 2022, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, there is a self replacement program for iPhone batteries, but if my 
> memory serves me correctly, you get about 100 pounds (weight not UK Currency) 
> of tools that are required to do it as a loan.
> There was a lot of press about this about 6 months ago.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!  
>> So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone 
>> battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you 
>> have to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery 
>> and replace it myself?  
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Re: How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Kimberly Gardner]

I have always had it done by apple. The last time it cost $49 and took
2 hours at the local store.

Kim

On 10/14/22, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
> Hi!
> So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone
> battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you
> have to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery
> and replace it myself?
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How to replace an iphone's battery.

[Barbara Stahl]

Hi!  
So in the battery health thread, some people discussed getting a new iphone 
battery. So I was wondering, how do you change an iphone's battery? Do you have 
to send it away to apple, or can i somehow buy a replacement battery and 
replace it myself?  

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RE: battery health

[Carolyn]

I know another person who replaced an 8 with an 8. I guess 8 was a popular 
phone. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery health

I wouldn't have gotten the same phone as before.  The iPhone 8 phones are very 
much out of date compared to the new phones.  I don't know how much longer they 
will be supported.  I know the iPhone 8 won't be updated beyond 16.

On 10/13/22, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> Yes, well Carolyn, you gotta understand that I had the iPhone 8 Plus 
> for 2
> 1/2 maybe three years before it started having issues like no one 
> could hear my audio and then no one could see my video and then 
> VoiceOver started wigging out on me. A lot of other things happened 
> but luckily my dad was smart enough to actually get warranty for my 
> phone so I was able to get a Phone for only $350 and it’s the same 
> model I had before and I got it last year. and also since I was 
> traveling a lot during 2017, 1819 and 20, I did have to use my phone a 
> lot because I had four modes of transportation to connect with and 
> that was going to and from work five days a week for approximately 10 
> 1/2 months. A year. also, when I was stuck in traffic during rides to 
> and from work, I would use my phone to pass the time by listening to 
> music or watch some TV or catch up on some podcasts or Messages mail, 
> etc. Maybe even read a good book from the national library service for the 
> print disabled. perhaps even a game or two.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 2:24 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I can't imagine maximum battery capacity in the 30 percents.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of CHELA Robles
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 4:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: battery health
>>
>> I remember when I had to get my replacement iPhone 8 Plus last year 
>> that my other one was significantly degraded as far as the battery 
>> health goes and it was at 30% or at least around there I can’t 
>> exactly remember but I know it was lower than 50%. sorry for any dictation 
>> errors.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good grief. Mine on my 11 is at 90% after almost three years.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:21 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: battery health
>>>
>>> It’s at 80% because mine at 79% after having this SE2020 for two 
>>> years and months (JUne of 2020), and mine says the battery is 
>>> degraded, and it’s at 79%. Even though it’s degraded, Ihaven’t had 
>>> any problems of the phone shutting down and others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>>>
>>>
>>>   El 13 oct 2022, a la(s) 10:08 a.m., Les Kriegler 
>>> 
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   Hi Paula,
>>>
>>>   I do recall a discussion about that a while back. I thought the 
>>> number was 80%. I am actually assisting someone with this who has 
>>> had her iPhone for three years. Her capacity is at 85%. I know mine 
>>> was at the same level before I traded mine in for a new iPhone 14 
>>> Pro. if that number is incorrect, I’m certain somebody will jump in 
>>> and provide the specific number.
>>>
>>>   Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Oct 13, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Paula Jordan 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>   Hi all. Some time ago there was discussion about when to 
>>> replace an iphone  battery. I remember that at a certain percentage 
>>> level shown in the battery health setting you should consider 
>>> replacing the battery, but I can’t remember what that percentage is. 
>>> Could someone please refresh my memory. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>   God bless!
>>>
>>>   Paula and the pups
>>>
>>>
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RE: battery health

[Carolyn]

All good. If we have phones, the more we use them, the better value for the 
money paid for themn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: battery health

Yes, well Carolyn, you gotta understand that I had the iPhone 8 Plus for 2 1/2 
maybe three years before it started having issues like no one could hear my 
audio and then no one could see my video and then VoiceOver started wigging out 
on me. A lot of other things happened but luckily my dad was smart enough to 
actually get warranty for my phone so I was able to get a Phone for only $350 
and it’s the same model I had before and I got it last year. and also since I 
was traveling a lot during 2017, 1819 and 20, I did have to use my phone a lot 
because I had four modes of transportation to connect with and that was going 
to and from work five days a week for approximately 10 1/2 months. A year. 
also, when I was stuck in traffic during rides to and from work, I would use my 
phone to pass the time by listening to music or watch some TV or catch up on 
some podcasts or Messages mail, etc. Maybe even read a good book from the 
national library service for the print disabled. perhaps even a game or two.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2022, at 2:24 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Wow, I can't imagine maximum battery capacity in the 30 percents. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> CHELA Robles
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 4:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: battery health
> 
> I remember when I had to get my replacement iPhone 8 Plus last year that my 
> other one was significantly degraded as far as the battery health goes and it 
> was at 30% or at least around there I can’t exactly remember but I know it 
> was lower than 50%. sorry for any dictation errors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Good grief. Mine on my 11 is at 90% after almost three years. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: battery health
>> 
>> It’s at 80% because mine at 79% after having this SE2020 for two years and 
>> months (JUne of 2020), and mine says the battery is degraded, and it’s at 
>> 79%. Even though it’s degraded, Ihaven’t had any problems of the phone 
>> shutting down and others.
>> 
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>> 
>>   El 13 oct 2022, a la(s) 10:08 a.m., Les Kriegler  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>>   Hi Paula,
>> 
>>   I do recall a discussion about that a while back. I thought the number was 
>> 80%. I am actually assisting someone with this who has had her iPhone for 
>> three years. Her capacity is at 85%. I know mine was at the same level 
>> before I traded mine in for a new iPhone 14 Pro. if that number is 
>> incorrect, I’m certain somebody will jump in and provide the specific 
>> number. 
>> 
>>   Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>   On Oct 13, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Paula Jordan  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   Hi all. Some time ago there was discussion about when to replace an 
>> iphone  battery. I remember that at a certain percentage level shown in the 
>> battery health setting you should consider replacing the battery, but I 
>> can’t remember what that percentage is. Could someone please refresh my 
>> memory. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>>   God bless!
>> 
>>   Paula and the pups
>> 
>> 
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Re: Messages

[Øyvind Lode]

I'm on iOS 16.0.3 and if someone reacts to a message I've sent I get a
notification note that I've got a new message.
Their reaction is read by VoiceOver and in the messages list the
message I sent is shown and VoiceOver reads: Your iMessage text I
wrote and emojis etc and lastly Joe likes this.
This behaviour has been in there since Apple added the ability to
react to messages.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 00:37, Noe Villeda  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am running iOS 16.3 and I’ve noticed that if I send a message, and someone 
> reacts to it, the message doesn’t show in the messages app, though voiceover 
> will read 1 unread message.
>
>
>
> The only work around I’ve found is to restart my phone, then I can see the 
> message, and either respond to it, or delete it.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
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