Openscape for iOS?

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Hi all,
I had a link in twitter that opened to a page telling you about Openscape
and asking to install test flight and then install.
I did this, but when I went looking for a link it said app wasn't available
in my country.
TIA.
 
I know this is wrong since I have it 

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RE: FW: Bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is what I thought and unfortunately many headsets are like this. The 
Logitech H800 is not like this, it communicates with the dongle the same way as 
most Logitech keyboards which include a dongle do, they use radio frequency and 
there is no lag involved and you don't require something like Silenzio or turn 
on the equivalent feature in Jaws to prevent the soundcard from going to sleep 
cutting off sound.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FW: Bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

Hi,
I called Jabra tech support and they said the dongle is Bluetooth.
Do your headset have a lag when you are typing? So say you type a few letters 
then wait about five seconds then type a letter or two and do you hear them or 
not?
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 2:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

@Mr. Ed, presently i have Jabra Evolve 2 65 which is an upgrade over evolve 65. 
This jabra evolve 2 65 also comes with a daungle to connect to the headset 
along with direct bluetooth connection. It has all the features those are 
present in 2 75 except active noise cancellation and voice through.
But what i am concerned with is that, despite of having a dongle, it does not 
behave like 2.4ghz headset. There is no difference between connecting the 
headset with laptop in bluetooth mode or through dongle. I just want to 
confirm, are you sure that 2 75 has 2.4ghz mode of connecting through the 
dongle? I see only USB dongle connection under its describtion. I have not seen 
2.4ghz connection in jabra headsets so far. Correct me if i have wrong 
information.

On 6/9/23, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> I agree with you on the Logitech H800. If you remember I told you 
> about them many years back. Since a person cannot get them anymore, I 
> have been on the hunt for something to take their place. I have tried 
> many headsets. The ones I am using now are the best things I have 
> found to take their place. They are the Jabra Evolve2 75. They are a very 
> good headset with many features.
> They have a dongle and also have hear through along with about 30 
> hours of battery life. They have an app to make all kinds of 
> adjustments on them. The one thing they do very well is you can be on 
> your pc and also on the iPhone at the same time. No more switching 
> back and forth. So if you are on your pc and get a phone call you just 
> push the button on the headset and you can answer and talk on the 
> headset. Then push the button to hang up on the headset. Then if you 
> are on your pc you can just pickup your iPhone and start using it and voice 
> over starts and you can do anything on your iPhone.
> Then you can go back to the pc and the sound comes from your pc 
> without doing anything. Also I like the hear through feature as I can 
> talk to my wife and hear her with my headset on. If you want to turn 
> it off you can just push button on the headset to turn off hear through or 
> turn it back on.
> I also where hearing aids on my ears and the Jabra Evolve2 75 go on 
> the ear and not over them which works great for me wearing hearing 
> aids. They are very comfortable  as I wear them 10 to 15 hours a day.
> There is only one issue is they are kind of expensive. If you call Jabra 
> sales, they will give
> you a lot off and free  shipping. It is cheaper price then Amazon.
> Again the headset is a Jabra Evolve2 then 75. It sound like 275 but is 
> Jabra
> Evolve2 then 75. You can call them at (866) 697-8757
>
> Mr. Ed
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> You get perfect, lag-free performance and responsiveness with a 
> Logitech H800, the problem is that that headset is as far as I know 
> discontinued.
>
> There are other headsets which use a dongle, but you have to make sure 
> it's actually a dongle which communicates with the headset via 2.4 Khz 
> frequency and not via some sort of Bluetooth protocol since there are 
> also headsets with a dongle and it's actually a Bluetooth connection.
>
> The good thing is that you can easily buy replacement battery packs 
> for the
> H800 on Amazon and also replacement foam ear cushions so hopefully I 
> can use mine for many years to come. The H800 does not have super 
> battery life as some other headsets do, but it's in  my opinion the 
> most comfortable, relatively light weight and the fact it can 
> communicate via 2.4 Ghz as well as Bluetooth makes it a super 
> solution. I have it paired with my iPhone via 

RE: Vision Pro Headset and accessibility from Mac Rumors

[Sieghard Weitzel]

OK, so Apple apparently is trying to make this accessible just as they are 
doing for all thei rother products. This is commendable, but we'll have to see 
what the reality will be like and what sort of uses this would even have for a 
blind person.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Vision Pro Headset and accessibility from Mac Rumors


As Sieghard pointed out, this extremely expensive toy will not be available 
until 2024.
If you want to learn more about it, Mac Rumors has an article with links to the 
developer session spelling out the accessibility features.
Here is that link, with other links to the WWDC session on that page.

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/06/07/apple-vision-pro-accessibility-features/

HTH,

Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Joshua, I think you are under some sort of misconception here. This is not a 
headset which plays back audio or maybe it also does this although I have a 
feeling it does not because I seem to remember them talking about using it 
together with Airpods or something like that. This is capable of generating a 
virtual reality environment as the name implies and that is why I earlier 
commented regarding its accessibility features that it may not be so easy to 
make this fully accessible as it has an extreme visual focus.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 8:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

My problems with the vision pro headset are 2 things.  First, the cost, I have 
bought way to many bluetooth headsets in my life.  I have them all, bose nc700, 
sony xm5, and apple airpod max to name a few of the big ones.  And ones from 
AKG, Anker, and JBL to name some of the smaller ones.  I'd never pay $3500 for 
any headset, I don't care how good it is.  Now, if I did have $3500, I'd pay 
that in a second for a beautiful hd28 martin guitar.  Next, is the battery 
life.  The vision pro only has 2 hours of battery life.  That is way to few 
hours to even watch a long movie, or do a whole lot.  You might watch one full 
movie with the headset on, but nothing else.  I'll stick with my iPhone 13 pro 
max.

On 6/9/23, Stewart McKay  wrote:
> ditto. just more of the same kind of thing out there to steal your money.
>
> On 6/9/2023 10:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> I have zero interest in this headset
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn’t agree more. I think this whole virtual reality thing is 
>>> a waste of bloody time. And there’s no way I would ever pay that 
>>> much money for this stupid headset. I feel the same way about all 
>>> the other stupid headsets. It’s just dumb. The planet is on fire, 
>>> and we are all worried about these stupid headsets in virtual 
>>> reality. We ought to spend more time worrying about reality, not 
>>> virtual reality, what’s actually happening. Sorry I’m sure some people will 
>>> not appreciate that message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 
 wrote:

 For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, 
 I wouldn't shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone 
 has the resources and the interest then I say great and more power to them!

 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
 Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 Amen to that, Richard!

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and 
 to clean my house and do the cooking.




 Richard, USA.
 “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of 
 little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ 
 John Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:



I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice 
 over support, and all of the great accessibility features we've 
 come to love on other apple products.  I am excited to see what 
 will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.
 It's a bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format 
 has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have 
 come up with a cure for cancer.

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present 
 as ground breaking can already be done on Android.

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is 
 slow, this year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at 
 least, not from my perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro 
 presentation but with a price tag at over $3000, it might as well 

Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My problems with the vision pro headset are 2 things.  First, the
cost, I have bought way to many bluetooth headsets in my life.  I have
them all, bose nc700, sony xm5, and apple airpod max to name a few of
the big ones.  And ones from AKG, Anker, and JBL to name some of the
smaller ones.  I'd never pay $3500 for any headset, I don't care how
good it is.  Now, if I did have $3500, I'd pay that in a second for a
beautiful hd28 martin guitar.  Next, is the battery life.  The vision
pro only has 2 hours of battery life.  That is way to few hours to
even watch a long movie, or do a whole lot.  You might watch one full
movie with the headset on, but nothing else.  I'll stick with my
iPhone 13 pro max.

On 6/9/23, Stewart McKay  wrote:
> ditto. just more of the same kind of thing out there to steal your money.
>
> On 6/9/2023 10:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> I have zero interest in this headset
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn’t agree more. I think this whole virtual reality thing is a
>>> waste of bloody time. And there’s no way I would ever pay that much money
>>> for this stupid headset. I feel the same way about all the other stupid
>>> headsets. It’s just dumb. The planet is on fire, and we are all worried
>>> about these stupid headsets in virtual reality. We ought to spend more
>>> time worrying about reality, not virtual reality, what’s actually
>>> happening. Sorry I’m sure some people will not appreciate that message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
 wrote:

 For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, I
 wouldn't shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone has the
 resources and the interest then I say great and more power to them!

 --
 Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
 Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Carolyn Arnold
 Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 Amen to that, Richard!

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to
 clean my house and do the cooking.




 Richard, USA.
 “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of
 little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John
 Ruskin My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:



I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over
 support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love
 on other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen
 using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.
 It's a bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has
 gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up
 with a cure for cancer.

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as
 ground breaking can already be done on Android.

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow,
 this year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not
 from my perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation
 but with a price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
 Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this
 evening so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages
 discussing what was said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a
 single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the
 case about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing
 addresses so he can place preorders for 

Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Stewart McKay]

ditto. just more of the same kind of thing out there to steal your money.

On 6/9/2023 10:51 PM, Dennis Long wrote:

I have zero interest in this headset

Sent from my iPhone SE 3


On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I couldn’t agree more. I think this whole virtual reality thing is a waste of 
bloody time. And there’s no way I would ever pay that much money for this 
stupid headset. I feel the same way about all the other stupid headsets. It’s 
just dumb. The planet is on fire, and we are all worried about these stupid 
headsets in virtual reality. We ought to spend more time worrying about 
reality, not virtual reality, what’s actually happening. Sorry I’m sure some 
people will not appreciate that message.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, I wouldn't 
shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone has the resources and 
the interest then I say great and more power to them!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

Amen to that, Richard!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.




Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web 
site: https://www.turner42.com/



   On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:



   I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over 
support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on 
other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision 
pro.


   -Original Message-
   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
   Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

   You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

   Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a 
bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
tiresome.

   I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a 
cure for cancer.

   And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
breaking can already be done on Android.

   Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this 
year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price 
tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.

   Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

   Mark


   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
   Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

   I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening 
so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was 
said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
   I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case 
about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so 
he can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Dennis Long]

I have zero interest in this headset 

Sent from my iPhone SE 3

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I couldn’t agree more. I think this whole virtual reality thing is a waste 
> of bloody time. And there’s no way I would ever pay that much money for this 
> stupid headset. I feel the same way about all the other stupid headsets. It’s 
> just dumb. The planet is on fire, and we are all worried about these stupid 
> headsets in virtual reality. We ought to spend more time worrying about 
> reality, not virtual reality, what’s actually happening. Sorry I’m sure some 
> people will not appreciate that message.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, I 
>> wouldn't shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone has the 
>> resources and the interest then I say great and more power to them!
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> Amen to that, Richard!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean 
>> my house and do the cooking.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My 
>> web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over 
>> support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on 
>> other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using 
>> vision pro.
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> M. Taylor
>>   Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>>   You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
>> 
>>   Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a 
>> bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
>> tiresome.
>> 
>>   I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with 
>> a cure for cancer.
>> 
>>   And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
>> breaking can already be done on Android.
>> 
>>   Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this 
>> year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
>> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
>> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
>> 
>>   Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
>> 
>>   Mark
>> 
>> 
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>   Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>>   I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this 
>> evening so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing 
>> what was said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>>   I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case 
>> about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses 
>> so he can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality 
>> headset which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Mary Otten]

I couldn’t agree more. I think this whole virtual reality thing is a waste of 
bloody time. And there’s no way I would ever pay that much money for this 
stupid headset. I feel the same way about all the other stupid headsets. It’s 
just dumb. The planet is on fire, and we are all worried about these stupid 
headsets in virtual reality. We ought to spend more time worrying about 
reality, not virtual reality, what’s actually happening. Sorry I’m sure some 
people will not appreciate that message.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, I wouldn't 
> shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone has the resources and 
> the interest then I say great and more power to them!
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
> Amen to that, Richard!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
> house and do the cooking.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My 
> web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> 
> 
>On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over 
> support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on 
> other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision 
> pro.
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
>Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
>You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
> 
>Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a 
> bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
> tiresome.
> 
>I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with 
> a cure for cancer.
> 
>And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
> breaking can already be done on Android.
> 
>Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this 
> year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
> 
>Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
> 
>Mark
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
>Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
>I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this 
> evening so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing 
> what was said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case 
> about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so 
> he can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality 
> headset which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
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iPhone 12 does not send SMS via physical Sim

[Mohammad Fazil]

Hi, group.
I have iPhone 12 that has E-SIM in it.
I am in Pakistan now where I am using the physical Sim from a local provider. 
My main Sim is from Canadian provider.
I have disabled E-SIM and using the physical Sim for all the calls. I, however, 
am unable to send the SMS  by none of these Sims.
I prefer sending the SMS with the physical Sim rather than the main SIM.
What should I do in order to send the SMS with the physical Sim, please?
Your help is much appreciated. 
Thanks!

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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Esther Levegnale]

No kidding, right?

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean 
> my house and do the cooking.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, 
>> and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other 
>> apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
>> 
>> Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit 
>> long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
>> tiresome.
>> 
>> I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
>> for cancer.  
>> 
>> And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
>> breaking can already be done on Android.  
>> 
>> Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, 
>> is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
>> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
>> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
>> 
>> Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
>> far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was 
>> said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>> I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about 
>> iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he 
>> can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
>> which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Julian]

Ever since it became possible to do so, I remapped the swipe left and right with two fingers gesture to be the equivalent of turning the rotor to the left or to the right. This works beautifully for me as well as some of my clients. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Another way to think about it is that you just need to place two fingers on the screen with some space between them and have them move in opposite but parallel directions. You don’t need to actually rotate the screen. For example, you could
 place your pointer and ring fingers on the screen just a bit apart and then slide your pointer finger down while sliding your ring finger up. I’m not saying this particular example will work for everyone, and I don’t use it myself, but maybe knowing that you
 don’t actually need a circular rotating motion will help some people with this gesture.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Paula Jordan
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark


 
Interesting to hear how different people work the roter. I find it easiest to hold my thumb and pointer finger a couple of inches apart more or less in the mi.le of the phone and then turn the phone holding my two fingers in place.
God bless!
Paula and the pups
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark


 
We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle fingers. Been doing that for many years now.

 


On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:

 

Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing things. Take care. Esther


 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


 

On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:








That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then I swipe my two index
 fingers across the screen together to the right or left.  It seems pretty easy to me.  


 



 

On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale  wrote:




Hi, everyone,


 


The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as well.  As I said,
 my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that I can turn the rotor very easily.


 


Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


 

On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:







You are quite right, Traci.


 


I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.    I am not a huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I had an engineering mind.  (smile).


 


Mark


 


 


 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com On
 Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark




 


Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for iOs. :)



 




Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter by letter. A simple shortcut
 would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci










On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:



 





Hi Mark,




I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??




 Take care of yourself.




Peggy Kane. 




 




Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️










On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:





Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like 

RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Christopher Chaltain]

Another way to think about it is that you just need to place two fingers on the 
screen with some space between them and have them move in opposite but parallel 
directions. You don’t need to actually rotate the screen. For example, you 
could place your pointer and ring fingers on the screen just a bit apart and 
then slide your pointer finger down while sliding your ring finger up. I’m not 
saying this particular example will work for everyone, and I don’t use it 
myself, but maybe knowing that you don’t actually need a circular rotating 
motion will help some people with this gesture.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Interesting to hear how different people work the roter. I find it easiest to 
hold my thumb and pointer finger a couple of inches apart more or less in the 
mi.le of the phone and then turn the phone holding my two fingers in place.
God bless!
Paula and the pups

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Wendy 
Lin
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle 
fingers. Been doing that for many years now.

On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing 
things. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone 
vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then I 
swipe my two index fingers across the screen together to the right or left.  It 
seems pretty easy to me.


On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Hi, everyone,

The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a 
bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as 
well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that I 
can turn the rotor very easily.

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:

You are quite right, Traci.

I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not a 
huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I had 
an engineering mind.  (smile).

Mark



From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for 
iOs. :)

Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to 
word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter 
by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci


On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Mark,
I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check 
and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same 
message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??
 Take care of yourself.
Peggy Kane.

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
see introduced next week?

I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.

Moderator Mark


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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Christopher Chaltain]

For my part, unless there's more to it than I'm seeing right now, I wouldn't 
shell out this much dough for this headset. If someone has the resources and 
the interest then I say great and more power to them!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

Amen to that, Richard!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.




Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web 
site: https://www.turner42.com/



On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:



I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over 
support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on 
other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision 
pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a 
bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a 
cure for cancer.

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
breaking can already be done on Android.

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this 
year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price 
tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this 
evening so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what 
was said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case 
about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so 
he can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Paula Jordan]

Interesting to hear how different people work the roter. I find it easiest to 
hold my thumb and pointer finger a couple of inches apart more or less in the 
mi.le of the phone and then turn the phone holding my two fingers in place.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

 

We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle 
fingers. Been doing that for many years now.





On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

 

Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing 
things. Take care. Esther 

 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone 
vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then I 
swipe my two index fingers across the screen together to the right or left.  It 
seems pretty easy to me.  

 





On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Hi, everyone, 

 

The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a 
bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as 
well.  As I said, my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that I 
can turn the rotor very easily.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

You are quite right, Traci.

 

I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not a 
huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I had 
an engineering mind.  (smile).

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

 

Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for 
iOs. :)

 

Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to 
word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter 
by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci






On May 31, 2023, at 8:08 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com   
wrote:

 

Hi Mark,

I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check 
and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same 
message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??

 Take care of yourself.

Peggy Kane. 

 

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️






On May 31, 2023, at 10:58 AM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
see introduced next week?

I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.

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RE: FW: Bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,
I called Jabra tech support and they said the dongle is Bluetooth.
Do your headset have a lag when you are typing? So say you type a few letters 
then wait about five seconds then type a letter or two and do you hear them or 
not?
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 2:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

@Mr. Ed, presently i have Jabra Evolve 2 65 which is an upgrade over evolve 65. 
This jabra evolve 2 65 also comes with a daungle to connect to the headset 
along with direct bluetooth connection. It has all the features those are 
present in 2 75 except active noise cancellation and voice through.
But what i am concerned with is that, despite of having a dongle, it does not 
behave like 2.4ghz headset. There is no difference between connecting the 
headset with laptop in bluetooth mode or through dongle. I just want to 
confirm, are you sure that 2 75 has 2.4ghz mode of connecting through the 
dongle? I see only USB dongle connection under its describtion. I have not seen 
2.4ghz connection in jabra headsets so far. Correct me if i have wrong 
information.

On 6/9/23, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> I agree with you on the Logitech H800. If you remember I told you 
> about them many years back. Since a person cannot get them anymore, I 
> have been on the hunt for something to take their place. I have tried 
> many headsets. The ones I am using now are the best things I have 
> found to take their place. They are the Jabra Evolve2 75. They are a very 
> good headset with many features.
> They have a dongle and also have hear through along with about 30 
> hours of battery life. They have an app to make all kinds of 
> adjustments on them. The one thing they do very well is you can be on 
> your pc and also on the iPhone at the same time. No more switching 
> back and forth. So if you are on your pc and get a phone call you just 
> push the button on the headset and you can answer and talk on the 
> headset. Then push the button to hang up on the headset. Then if you 
> are on your pc you can just pickup your iPhone and start using it and voice 
> over starts and you can do anything on your iPhone.
> Then you can go back to the pc and the sound comes from your pc 
> without doing anything. Also I like the hear through feature as I can 
> talk to my wife and hear her with my headset on. If you want to turn 
> it off you can just push button on the headset to turn off hear through or 
> turn it back on.
> I also where hearing aids on my ears and the Jabra Evolve2 75 go on 
> the ear and not over them which works great for me wearing hearing 
> aids. They are very comfortable  as I wear them 10 to 15 hours a day. 
> There is only one issue is they are kind of expensive. If you call Jabra 
> sales, they will give
> you a lot off and free  shipping. It is cheaper price then Amazon.
> Again the headset is a Jabra Evolve2 then 75. It sound like 275 but is 
> Jabra
> Evolve2 then 75. You can call them at (866) 697-8757
>
> Mr. Ed
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> You get perfect, lag-free performance and responsiveness with a 
> Logitech H800, the problem is that that headset is as far as I know 
> discontinued.
>
> There are other headsets which use a dongle, but you have to make sure 
> it's actually a dongle which communicates with the headset via 2.4 Khz 
> frequency and not via some sort of Bluetooth protocol since there are 
> also headsets with a dongle and it's actually a Bluetooth connection.
>
> The good thing is that you can easily buy replacement battery packs 
> for the
> H800 on Amazon and also replacement foam ear cushions so hopefully I 
> can use mine for many years to come. The H800 does not have super 
> battery life as some other headsets do, but it's in  my opinion the 
> most comfortable, relatively light weight and the fact it can 
> communicate via 2.4 Ghz as well as Bluetooth makes it a super 
> solution. I have it paired with my iPhone via Bluetooth so if I slide 
> the on/off switch up just one click it connects to my iPhone and if I 
> slide it up another click it connects to the dongle via
> 2.4 Ghz.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of dlmlao...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 5:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> Sieghard, are you telling me, and I think you are, that you get good 
> Windows screen reader performance with 

RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Richard Turner]

I posted a link in a new thread for those interested in being tempted to spend 
a ton of money for the Vision Pro headset.

Or anyone wanting to know.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 

If the Vision Pro headset in fact includes Voiceover and is fully accessible, I 
would say it's certainly appropriate for this list. However, since it won't be 
available for probably close to a year and I don't recall Apple saying anything 
about accessibility during the keynote it is definitely premature. From how 
they describe it I have my doubts regarding full accessibility because this 
sounds like it will be a very visually focused experience where you have to 
look at things to make the headset react and I am not sure how Apple will make 
that fully accessible. Of course they may have already figured it out so who 
knows, but no point in speculating and as others pointed out, at $3,500 US 
which means probably at least $4,500 or $4,800 Canadian this is probably not 
something the majority of blind people will buy.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com  
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 

What has this subject have to do with anything.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 

No Kidding, right?

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

 

On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.  

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.  

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he can 
place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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Vision Pro Headset and accessibility from Mac Rumors

[Richard Turner]

 

As Sieghard pointed out, this extremely expensive toy will not be available 
until 2024.  

If you want to learn more about it, Mac Rumors has an article with links to the 
developer session spelling out the accessibility features.  

Here is that link, with other links to the WWDC session on that page.

 

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/06/07/apple-vision-pro-accessibility-features/

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If the Vision Pro headset in fact includes Voiceover and is fully accessible, I 
would say it's certainly appropriate for this list. However, since it won't be 
available for probably close to a year and I don't recall Apple saying anything 
about accessibility during the keynote it is definitely premature. From how 
they describe it I have my doubts regarding full accessibility because this 
sounds like it will be a very visually focused experience where you have to 
look at things to make the headset react and I am not sure how Apple will make 
that fully accessible. Of course they may have already figured it out so who 
knows, but no point in speculating and as others pointed out, at $3,500 US 
which means probably at least $4,500 or $4,800 Canadian this is probably not 
something the majority of blind people will buy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

What has this subject have to do with anything.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

No Kidding, right?

Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:
For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.


Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, 
juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he can 
place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You may want to think first next time you send an email making such remarks, 
not considered very appropriate any more these days and rightly so.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 7:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

Yes I will agree with this and to bring along a hot woman at that price as well 
hee. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.


Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, 
juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he can 
place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Amen to that, Richard! 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.




Richard, USA.
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin My web 
site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:



I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over 
support, and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on 
other apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision 
pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a 
bit long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a 
cure for cancer.  

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
breaking can already be done on Android.  

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this 
year, is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price 
tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this 
evening so far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what 
was said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case 
about iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so 
he can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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RE: FW: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

[Sieghard Weitzel]

>From what Ed says it sounds like the dongle is also a Bluetooth connection and 
>for me that is an instant dealbreaker. I'll probably look into this a bit more.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 12:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

@Mr. Ed, presently i have Jabra Evolve 2 65 which is an upgrade over evolve 65. 
This jabra evolve 2 65 also comes with a daungle to connect to the headset 
along with direct bluetooth connection. It has all the features those are 
present in 2 75 except active noise cancellation and voice through.
But what i am concerned with is that, despite of having a dongle, it does not 
behave like 2.4ghz headset. There is no difference between connecting the 
headset with laptop in bluetooth mode or through dongle. I just want to 
confirm, are you sure that 2 75 has 2.4ghz mode of connecting through the 
dongle? I see only USB dongle connection under its describtion. I have not seen 
2.4ghz connection in jabra headsets so far. Correct me if i have wrong 
information.

On 6/9/23, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> I agree with you on the Logitech H800. If you remember I told you 
> about them many years back. Since a person cannot get them anymore, I 
> have been on the hunt for something to take their place. I have tried 
> many headsets. The ones I am using now are the best things I have 
> found to take their place. They are the Jabra Evolve2 75. They are a very 
> good headset with many features.
> They have a dongle and also have hear through along with about 30 
> hours of battery life. They have an app to make all kinds of 
> adjustments on them. The one thing they do very well is you can be on 
> your pc and also on the iPhone at the same time. No more switching 
> back and forth. So if you are on your pc and get a phone call you just 
> push the button on the headset and you can answer and talk on the 
> headset. Then push the button to hang up on the headset. Then if you 
> are on your pc you can just pickup your iPhone and start using it and voice 
> over starts and you can do anything on your iPhone.
> Then you can go back to the pc and the sound comes from your pc 
> without doing anything. Also I like the hear through feature as I can 
> talk to my wife and hear her with my headset on. If you want to turn 
> it off you can just push button on the headset to turn off hear through or 
> turn it back on.
> I also where hearing aids on my ears and the Jabra Evolve2 75 go on 
> the ear and not over them which works great for me wearing hearing 
> aids. They are very comfortable  as I wear them 10 to 15 hours a day. 
> There is only one issue is they are kind of expensive. If you call Jabra 
> sales, they will give
> you a lot off and free  shipping. It is cheaper price then Amazon.
> Again the headset is a Jabra Evolve2 then 75. It sound like 275 but is 
> Jabra
> Evolve2 then 75. You can call them at (866) 697-8757
>
> Mr. Ed
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> You get perfect, lag-free performance and responsiveness with a 
> Logitech H800, the problem is that that headset is as far as I know 
> discontinued.
>
> There are other headsets which use a dongle, but you have to make sure 
> it's actually a dongle which communicates with the headset via 2.4 Khz 
> frequency and not via some sort of Bluetooth protocol since there are 
> also headsets with a dongle and it's actually a Bluetooth connection.
>
> The good thing is that you can easily buy replacement battery packs 
> for the
> H800 on Amazon and also replacement foam ear cushions so hopefully I 
> can use mine for many years to come. The H800 does not have super 
> battery life as some other headsets do, but it's in  my opinion the 
> most comfortable, relatively light weight and the fact it can 
> communicate via 2.4 Ghz as well as Bluetooth makes it a super 
> solution. I have it paired with my iPhone via Bluetooth so if I slide 
> the on/off switch up just one click it connects to my iPhone and if I 
> slide it up another click it connects to the dongle via
> 2.4 Ghz.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On 
> Behalf Of dlmlao...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 5:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> Sieghard, are you telling me, and I think you are, that you get good 
> Windows screen reader performance with your Logitek H800 headset with 
> a wireless dongle? I can’t stand JAWS with any 

RE: Question about calls

[Rena]

I have a Bluetooth keyboard, but I can't use it in the street.

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about calls

Good idea in those cases of dialing asked for numbers is to get a keyboard. I 
have never wanted one, but might get one for such purposes. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rena
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about calls

How can I dial any number that the computer asks me?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about calls

 

Hello Rena,

 

I suggest you use earbuds. They make this process a lot easier because the 
screen doesn’t blank out

 

JODY





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On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello,

 

When I make a call, I ask Siri, or I open contacts, choose one and tap 
on call.

The problem is that now most calls are answered by computers and I must 
press 1, 2, etc., etc.

What can I do in these cases?

I need some help, please.

I use iPhone SE20.

 

Rena

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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[llumpkin]

What has this subject have to do with anything.

 

 

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Levegnale
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 9:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 

No Kidding, right?

 

Esther

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On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.

 

 

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On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.  

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.  

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he can 
place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
Apple apparently announced for early 2024 

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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Esther Levegnale]

No Kidding, right?

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 10:02 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean 
> my house and do the cooking.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, 
>> and all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other 
>> apple products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
>> 
>> Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit 
>> long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
>> tiresome.
>> 
>> I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
>> for cancer.  
>> 
>> And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
>> breaking can already be done on Android.  
>> 
>> Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, 
>> is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
>> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
>> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
>> 
>> Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
>> 
>> I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
>> far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was 
>> said tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
>> I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about 
>> iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he 
>> can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
>> which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
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RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[michv]

Yes I will agree with this and to bring along a hot woman at that price as well 
hee. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: June 9, 2023 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

 

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.  

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.  

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
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place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
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Re: copying docs scanned in VDR to windows laptop

[Richard Turner]

When you export the document, try plain text format or Word. Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Jun 9, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Dan  wrote:
  


  
  
Hi all,


I have a doc that I scanned using VDR. 
Now I want to copy it to my laptop.  I did so using Icloud but
when I open it on my laptop it says it is a malformed PDF.


How can I get the OCRed text of the doc
over there?


I did read through the VDR help and can find nothing about doing
  this.



thanks.


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Re: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[Richard Turner]

For $3500 I would expect the vision Pro headset to be amazing and to clean my 
house and do the cooking.



Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Jun 9, 2023, at 1:46 AM, juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
> all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
> products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
> You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).
> 
> Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit 
> long and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit 
> tiresome.
> 
> I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
> for cancer.  
> 
> And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground 
> breaking can already be done on Android.  
> 
> Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, 
> is because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my 
> perspective.  I have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a 
> price tag at over $3000, it might as well not exist.
> 
> Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?
> 
> I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
> far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
> tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
> I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about 
> iOS 17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he 
> can place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset 
> which Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
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copying docs scanned in VDR to windows laptop

[Dan]

  
  
Hi all,


I have a doc that I scanned using VDR. 
Now I want to copy it to my laptop.  I did so using Icloud but
when I open it on my laptop it says it is a malformed PDF.


How can I get the OCRed text of the doc
over there?


I did read through the VDR help and can find nothing about doing
  this.



thanks.


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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
  




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RE: series of notes on mastodon and accessibility

[michv]

Hi wile this is all well and interesting why is there 2 coppies of every single 
message in this thred? It is kindof annoying to try to read this when jaws 
keeps on repeating eery single message twice and thisis wile using the read all 
command and arrowing through with the arrow keys. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mo Khan
Sent: June 9, 2023 6:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: series of notes on mastodon and accessibility

 

What follows is a series of Mastodon posts from Pratik Patel. He discusses not 
only the announcements from the WWDC keynote but he also documents his 
impressions of the first developer beta of iOS 17.
Original Source
  Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of 
#accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It involves 
discussing the announcements as well as testing of features announced prior to 
and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and requests for testing. I think 
I'll like doing this here much more  than I did on Twitter. Oh and this thread 
will probably go on for months. I'll post things periodically as updates come.
#WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of 
#accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It involves 
discussing the announcements as well as testing of features announced prior to 
and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and requests for testing. I think 
I'll like doing this here much more  than I did on Twitter. Oh and this thread 
will probably go on for months. I'll post things periodically as updates come.
#WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon
1 of 31
Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple #accessibility on this 
thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a reminder that you should not 
install beta software on your primary devices. Wait for public betas or actual 
releases. They're apt to break major functionality. And, despite all the latest 
consternation about Apple not fixing long-standing bugs, I do encourage you to 
report them if you install a beta. They do fix them. The more reports there 
are, the more info they have.
#WWDC23,
2 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple #accessibility 
on this thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a reminder that you 
should not install beta software on your primary devices. Wait for public betas 
or actual releases. They're apt to break major functionality. And, despite all 
the latest consternation about Apple not fixing long-standing bugs, I do 
encourage you to report them if you install a beta. They do fix them. The more 
reports there are, the more info they have.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
  Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest  and the greatest. But 
you also want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will work on 
your device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need your phone, or 
your iPad for important work or something else. You'll here me talk about 
possible bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this thread. Being a 
rather technical user, I know how to get out of situations  that I put myself 
in.
So, Just be careful!
#WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibility, 1 day ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest  and the greatest. But you also 
want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will work on your 
device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need your phone, or your 
iPad for important work or something else. You'll here me talk about possible 
bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this thread. Being a rather 
technical user, I know how to get out of situations  that I put myself in.
So, Just be careful!
#WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibil
3 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like 
that. I might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about 
#WWDC. A lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple 
announced all the major changes and features coming to their operating systems 
in May. If I see something that will impact accessibility, I'll note it during 
the keynote or, if I think of it, after the keynote.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like that. I 
might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about #WWDC. A 
lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple announced all 
the major changes and features coming to their operating systems in May. If I 
see something that will impact accessibility, I'll note it during the keynote 
or, if I think of it, after the keynote.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
4 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Having flexible gesture based controls  could be much more 
useful disabled people with motor and/or some physical disabilities. As game 
controllers and other devices such as bluetooth 

series of notes on mastodon and accessibility

[Mo Khan]

What follows is a series of Mastodon posts from Pratik Patel. He discusses
not only the announcements from the WWDC keynote but he also documents his
impressions of the first developer beta of iOS 17.
Original Source
  Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of
#accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It
involves discussing the announcements as well as testing of features
announced prior to and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and
requests for testing. I think I'll like doing this here much more  than I
did on Twitter. Oh and this thread will probably go on for months. I'll
post things periodically as updates come.
#WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: Once #WWDC23 goes live, I'll have my usual thread of
#accessibility related content here. I used to do this on Twitter. It
involves discussing the announcements as well as testing of features
announced prior to and throughout WWDC. I will welcome questions and
requests for testing. I think I'll like doing this here much more  than I
did on Twitter. Oh and this thread will probably go on for months. I'll
post things periodically as updates come.
#WWDC2023, 5 days ago, Mastodon
1 of 31
Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple #accessibility on
this thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a reminder that you
should not install beta software on your primary devices. Wait for public
betas or actual releases. They're apt to break major functionality. And,
despite all the latest consternation about Apple not fixing long-standing
bugs, I do encourage you to report them if you install a beta. They do fix
them. The more reports there are, the more info they have.
#WWDC23,
2 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Before we go on to discuss #WWDC and Apple
#accessibility on this thread, as is my usual annual practice, here's a
reminder that you should not install beta software on your primary devices.
Wait for public betas or actual releases. They're apt to break major
functionality. And, despite all the latest consternation about Apple not
fixing long-standing bugs, I do encourage you to report them if you install
a beta. They do fix them. The more reports there are, the more info they
have.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
  Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest  and the greatest.
But you also want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will
work on your device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need
your phone, or your iPad for important work or something else. You'll here
me talk about possible bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this
thread. Being a rather technical user, I know how to get out of situations
that I put myself in.
So, Just be careful!
#WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibility, 1 day ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: I know you want to try the latest  and the greatest. But you
also want to be completely sure that what you need day-to-day will work on
your device. So be absolutely sure that you're not going to need your
phone, or your iPad for important work or something else. You'll here me
talk about possible bugs and behaviors along with testing notes on this
thread. Being a rather technical user, I know how to get out of situations
that I put myself in.
So, Just be careful!
#WWDC #WWDC23 #Accessibil
3 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like
that. I might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about
#WWDC. A lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple
announced all the major changes and features coming to their operating
systems in May. If I see something that will impact accessibility, I'll
note it during the keynote or, if I think of it, after the keynote.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: Oh, and don't expect me to live-toot or something like that.
I might occasionally pop-in and say something that interests me about
#WWDC. A lot of #accessibility announcements have been prebaked when Apple
announced all the major changes and features coming to their operating
systems in May. If I see something that will impact accessibility, I'll
note it during the keynote or, if I think of it, after the keynote.
#WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
4 of 31
  Pratik Patel: Having flexible gesture based controls  could be much
more useful disabled people with motor and/or some physical disabilities.
As game controllers and other devices such as bluetooth keyboards /
pointers will be available, switch controls will also probably work. And
eye based navigation will work quite well.
This, of course, poses some significant concerns for #blind people who will
not be able to interact using eyes. Even authentication will be a challenge.
#WWDC #accessibility #WWDC23, 1 day ago, Mastodon
Pratik Patel: Having flexible gesture based controls  could be much more
useful disabled people with motor and/or some physical disabilities. As
game controllers and other devices such as 

RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

[juanhernandez98]

I am excited about the apple vision pro.  It'll have voice over support, and 
all of the great accessibility features we've come to love on other apple 
products.  I am excited to see what will come abwhen using vision pro.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 7:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What is happen to the Viphone list?

You are a funny man, my friend (big smile).

Actually, I am only halfway through the presentation, as yet.  It's a bit long 
and, to be honest, the keynote presentation format has gotten a bit tiresome.

I mean, Apple announces new stickers as though they have come up with a cure 
for cancer.  

And you know what?  Several of the app features they present as ground breaking 
can already be done on Android.  

Not that I am bitter but I think the reason list traffic is slow, this year, is 
because there was nothing truly exciting, at least, not from my perspective.  I 
have yet to watch the Vision Pro presentation but with a price tag at over 
$3000, it might as well not exist.

Wow, I do sound a bit bitter, eh?  (smile).

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What is happen to the Viphone list?

I had no time to listen to Apple's keynote this morning nor this evening so 
far. I surely thought I would find a lot of messages discussing what was said 
tonight, but to my surprise there was not a single message.
I really thought I would see a lot of comments as used to be the case about iOS 
17 and find a request from Mark for all of our mailing addresses so he can 
place preorders for everybody for the $3,500 US virtual reality headset which 
Apple apparently announced for early 2024 
 
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Re: FW: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

@Mr. Ed, presently i have Jabra Evolve 2 65 which is an upgrade over
evolve 65. This jabra evolve 2 65 also comes with a daungle to connect
to the headset along with direct bluetooth connection. It has all the
features those are present in 2 75 except active noise cancellation
and voice through.
But what i am concerned with is that, despite of having a dongle, it
does not behave like 2.4ghz headset. There is no difference between
connecting the headset with laptop in bluetooth mode or through
dongle. I just want to confirm, are you sure that 2 75 has 2.4ghz mode
of connecting through the dongle? I see only USB dongle connection
under its describtion. I have not seen 2.4ghz connection in jabra
headsets so far. Correct me if i have wrong information.

On 6/9/23, Mr. Ed  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
>
> I agree with you on the Logitech H800. If you remember I told you about them
> many years back. Since a person cannot get them anymore, I have been on the
> hunt for something to take their place. I have tried many headsets. The ones
> I am using now are the best things I have found to take their place. They
> are the Jabra Evolve2 75. They are a very good headset with many features.
> They have a dongle and also have hear through along with about 30 hours of
> battery life. They have an app to make all kinds of adjustments on them. The
> one thing they do very well is you can be on your pc and also on the iPhone
> at the same time. No more switching back and forth. So if you are on your pc
> and get a phone call you just push the button on the headset and you can
> answer and talk on the headset. Then push the button to hang up on the
> headset. Then if you are on your pc you can just pickup your iPhone and
> start using it and voice over starts and you can do anything on your iPhone.
> Then you can go back to the pc and the sound comes from your pc without
> doing anything. Also I like the hear through feature as I can talk to my
> wife and hear her with my headset on. If you want to turn it off you can
> just push button on the headset to turn off hear through or turn it back on.
> I also where hearing aids on my ears and the Jabra Evolve2 75 go on the ear
> and not over them which works great for me wearing hearing aids. They are
> very comfortable  as I wear them 10 to 15 hours a day. There is only one
> issue is they are kind of expensive. If you call Jabra sales, they will give
> you a lot off and free  shipping. It is cheaper price then Amazon.
> Again the headset is a Jabra Evolve2 then 75. It sound like 275 but is Jabra
> Evolve2 then 75. You can call them at (866) 697-8757
>
> Mr. Ed
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> You get perfect, lag-free performance and responsiveness with a Logitech
> H800, the problem is that that headset is as far as I know discontinued.
>
> There are other headsets which use a dongle, but you have to make sure it's
> actually a dongle which communicates with the headset via 2.4 Khz frequency
> and not via some sort of Bluetooth protocol since there are also headsets
> with a dongle and it's actually a Bluetooth connection.
>
> The good thing is that you can easily buy replacement battery packs for the
> H800 on Amazon and also replacement foam ear cushions so hopefully I can use
> mine for many years to come. The H800 does not have super battery life as
> some other headsets do, but it's in  my opinion the most comfortable,
> relatively light weight and the fact it can communicate via 2.4 Ghz as well
> as Bluetooth makes it a super solution. I have it paired with my iPhone via
> Bluetooth so if I slide the on/off switch up just one click it connects to
> my iPhone and if I slide it up another click it connects to the dongle via
> 2.4 Ghz.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> dlmlao...@gmail.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 5:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> Sieghard, are you telling me, and I think you are, that you get good Windows
> screen reader performance with your Logitek H800 headset with a wireless
> dongle? I can’t stand JAWS with any Bluetooth headsets I’ve tried, so this
> could really be great!
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: bluetooth and typing while using voiceove3r
>
>
>
> There is no fix, this is simply a result of Bluetooth latency which