Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Chris Chaffin]

Hi Grant,I agree that not being able to add more to the VDR library is not leaving the app to function the same way.  But a couple of thoughts.1, Since the subscription model has already been added and Apple did approve it, I would conclude that Apple will not be rejecting the start of the subscription.  There is now a subscription button in settings that people are using to subscribe.2, If for some reason Apple stops the subscription from going through as is, then I would say that there would be a good chance that VDR might disappear for good.  Without the funds to properly support the app, the developers will just stop developing it and take it out of the app store.If you think back, there has been several updates over the last year.  Whether the update is adding a new feature, updating it to work with a new iOS release,  or just finding the cause of bugs and fixing them, it all takes time, and time cost money.  I have actually been surprised that there have been so many updates.I am not happy about the subscription, but I use VDR on a daily basis, and I would also not be happy to see it go away.  there are just not any app that does all that I do with the app.ChrisOn Apr 1, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hey Arnold, taking away the ability to add to the library is a fundamental change to the app, removing functionality I paid for. The app will not remain the same.Grant HardyOn Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 12:20 PM Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I interpreted what they said to mean that everything about the app prior to subscription would continue to work. The only change would be that one no longer could add new content for it to read,  and none of the new features would be added. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Apr 1, 2024, at 2:51 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hey Christopher, no, I absolutely appreciate your opinion, please don't feel like you shouldn't have commented. I also understand that the economics of creating and maintaining a functional, niche app like this are very difficult. However, the only thing I have an issue with is willfully introducing code that will disable people's previous purchases. I don't think that's appropriate because it sets a precedent where any purchase you've made from the App Store could not just get out of date, but actually be revoked. That wouldn't be healthy for the community. I don't have an issue with anything else they're doing, only this one specific behaviour.To give an over the top example, screen readers have introduced subscription plans for users who want them. Now imagine if your screen reader developer wrote to you one day advising that they were going to be disabling the license you purchased, and you would then have to start from scratch by renting it again. That's essentially what's happened here, because my purchases (VDR, several voices, Voice Dream Scanner) are not going to be available to me anymore. Grant HardyOn Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 4:53 AM Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







You’re right, if they just let the existing app die on the vine, and they put out a new app, then it wouldn’t be much of a burden to them. I was assuming they’d still
 just have one app that would start including the new functionality for the subscribers but leave the existing functionality for the current users. This would require branches in the code, ongoing maintenance for those with the existing functionality and regression
 testing to make sure existing functionality didn’t break.
 
Again, you’re right. They couldn’t pull the app from the store and erase it from everyone phone, but if they just pivoted away from the app altogether because supporting
 it as is isn’t sustainable then what functionality would be impacted and how long would it be before it stopped functioning altogether? My point was that enforcing the guidelines won’t make a business model sustainable and keep a company afloat.
 
Sounds  to me like Winston had a great idea for an app, couldn’t keep putting food on the table the way things were, sold it to another company who’s also trying to make
 it work, and is now fumbling it’s way to get to a position where they can support a great app and make some money off of it as well. I just don’t see bad guys here, but rather developers trying to adjust to a changing market.
 
Sorry, I should have just left this alone. Like I said, I think y’all have a point about these guidelines, and I think you should definitely raise it with the developers
 and Apple. ,I know I may keep using the app if this all works out. If not, I’ve already gotten my money’s worth from Voice Dream, and I’ve already started  using alternatives.
 
--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA
 

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Address for the Voice Dream email list.

[Kerry Macdonald]

Hello all, I was not aware that there was an email list for Voice Dream 
products. Could someone send me the address to subscribe to this list many 
thanks.



Kerry

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RE: Address for the Voice Dream email list.

[Richard Turner]

To be clear, the Voice Dream Products list was started by a user and is not 
officially a part of Voice Dream, but there are quite a few users of Voice 
Dream apps on that list.  I hope the current owners are going to start their 
own list just for Voice Dream Reader.

The address to subscribe is: 

voicedreamproducts+subscr...@groups.io 
 

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: Address for the Voice Dream email list.

 

Hello all, I was not aware that there was an email list for Voice Dream 
products. Could someone send me the address to subscribe to this list many 
thanks.

 

 

 

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Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Chris Chaffin]

Hi Dennis,I was actually surprised that they came on Jonathan's podcast, and to me, that says a lot that they did.  Plus, the developer did admit that they handled things in the wrong way and actually apologized for it.I do not think the developers are use to a community that expects engagement and communication like we do.  To me, from the interview, it sounded like the developers were surprised that they did not hear from the community more often requesting features.  For example, they looked into adding the personal voice feature to the app, but since no one really requested it, they concluded that the community did not want it.  But what they should have done is posted something to the community on AppleVis / Social Media asking if anyone was interested in that feature.I know that at least one person has recommended to them that maybe they should look at starting an email list.  That way, they could use it as a way of keeping in direct touch with the community.  I personally think this is a good idea.  It would be a central place where the developers and the community could engage with each other.Like you said, the future will tell us the story.ChrisOn Apr 2, 2024, at 12:12 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:Chris I tend to agree with you.  Now lets be clear they need a lesson in communication their communication skills are total shit.  You never ever under any circumstance let the user base define your changes.  You get out in front of it.  I will give them a few months to see if they  do what they say.  I may even subscribe for the year and see if they do what they say.  The interview with Jonathan Mosen they seemed liked they cared.  They did a terrible job of getting front facing and being out in front of issues. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris ChaffinSent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 10:36 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader Hi Grant, I agree that not being able to add more to the VDR library is not leaving the app to function the same way.  But a couple of thoughts. 1, Since the subscription model has already been added and Apple did approve it, I would conclude that Apple will not be rejecting the start of the subscription.  There is now a subscription button in settings that people are using to subscribe. 2, If for some reason Apple stops the subscription from going through as is, then I would say that there would be a good chance that VDR might disappear for good.  Without the funds to properly support the app, the developers will just stop developing it and take it out of the app store. If you think back, there has been several updates over the last year.  Whether the update is adding a new feature, updating it to work with a new iOS release,  or just finding the cause of bugs and fixing them, it all takes time, and time cost money.  I have actually been surprised that there have been so many updates. I am not happy about the subscription, but I use VDR on a daily basis, and I would also not be happy to see it go away.  there are just not any app that does all that I do with the app. Chris On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hey Arnold, taking away the ability to add to the library is a fundamental change to the app, removing functionality I paid for. The app will not remain the same.Grant Hardy  On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 12:20 PM Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I interpreted what they said to mean that everything about the app prior to subscription would continue to work. The only change would be that one no longer could add new content for it to read,  and none of the new features would be added.  Arnold Schmidt  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Apr 1, 2024, at 2:51 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:Hey Christopher, no, I absolutely appreciate your opinion, please don't feel like you shouldn't have commented. I also understand that the economics of creating and maintaining a functional, niche app like this are very difficult. However, the only thing I have an issue with is willfully introducing code that will disable people's previous purchases. I don't think that's appropriate because it sets a precedent where any purchase you've made from the App Store could not just get out of date, but actually be revoked. That wouldn't be healthy for the community. I don't have an issue with anything else they're doing, only this one specific behaviour. To give an over the top example, screen readers have introduced subscription plans for users who want them. Now imagine if your screen reader developer wrote to you one day advising that they were going to be disabling the license you purchased, and you would then have to start from scratch by renting it again. That's essentially what's happened here, because my purchases (VDR, several voices, Voice Dream Scanner) are not going to be available to me anymore. Grant Hardy  On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 4:53 AM Christopher Chaltain 

Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Grant Hardy]

Hey Chris,


I think there’s a bit of confusion here. I don’t have a problem with Voice
Dream Reader switching to a subscription model. This doesn’t violate any
Apple rules either, and there’s been no pushback on this from me at all. I
also do not believe anyone is entitled to any future updates without
subscribing.


My concern is not what they’ve already done, but what they’re about to do.
What they are going to do come May 1st is actively disable functionality
(our perpetual licenses) that we’ve previously purchased under agreed upon
terms. That’s problematic because it it isn’t healthy for the App Store
ecosystem, in my view. Can you imagine if all the apps you bought could be
disabled or taken back? It’s also against Apple’s developer guidelines, if
I’m reading them correctly and which Cara echoed as well. Developers are
welcome to change pricing and feature availability for new users, but they
generally can’t just take back features you already paid for (though they
can stop giving you updates). To give a bit of an over-the-top analogy
here, this would be like when Microsoft switched to Office 365 as a
subscription. There are now features and updates that you can only get if
you subscribe, and that’s completely okay. But imagine if in addition to
creating the new subscription, they went back and disabled everyone’s
licenses who purchased Office 2007, 2010, 2013 and so forth, or made it so
you couldn’t create new documents. You’d probably think that was insane.
Yet that’s exactly what this developer is doing. That’s the only thing I
have serious concerns about.


We’re also talking as if this only applies to one purchase, but this will
also affect my purchase of Voice Dream Scanner, which they’ve removed from
the App Store and bundled into the main app, as well as all the voices I
bought, which I won’t be able to use the same way since I can’t add
documents.


This will significantly affect users whose schools or universities bought
Voice Dream through a district/corporate account, because it will be
disabled right around exam time.


What they should do is keep the current version of the app that we
purchased in the store and release a new subscription app alongside it. Any
new features that they come up with may well be worth subscribing for, but
not the current feature set.


I can’t predict the future but it’s possible this will just slip under
Apple’s radar come May 1st and I’d imagine that’s what they’re counting on.


Grant Hardy


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:35 AM Chris Chaffin 
wrote:

> Hi Grant,
>
> I agree that not being able to add more to the VDR library is not leaving
> the app to function the same way.  But a couple of thoughts.
>
> 1, Since the subscription model has already been added and Apple did
> approve it, I would conclude that Apple will not be rejecting the start of
> the subscription.  There is now a subscription button in settings that
> people are using to subscribe.
>
> 2, If for some reason Apple stops the subscription from going through as
> is, then I would say that there would be a good chance that VDR might
> disappear for good.  Without the funds to properly support the app, the
> developers will just stop developing it and take it out of the app store.
>
> If you think back, there has been several updates over the last year.
> Whether the update is adding a new feature, updating it to work with a new
> iOS release,  or just finding the cause of bugs and fixing them, it all
> takes time, and time cost money.  I have actually been surprised that there
> have been so many updates.
>
> I am not happy about the subscription, but I use VDR on a daily basis, and
> I would also not be happy to see it go away.  there are just not any app
> that does all that I do with the app.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hey Arnold, taking away the ability to add to the library is a fundamental
> change to the app, removing functionality I paid for. The app will not
> remain the same.
>
> Grant Hardy
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 12:20 PM Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> I interpreted what they said to mean that everything about the app prior
>> to subscription would continue to work. The only change would be that one
>> no longer could add new content for it to read,  and none of the new
>> features would be added.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2024, at 2:51 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey Christopher, no, I absolutely appreciate your opinion, please don't
>> feel like you shouldn't have commented. I also understand that the
>> economics of creating and maintaining a functional, niche app like this are
>> very difficult. However, the only thing I have an issue with is willfully
>> introducing code that will disable people's previous purchases. I don't
>> think that's appropriate because it sets a precedent where any purchase
>> you've made from the App Store could not just get out of date, but actual

Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Grant Hardy]

Ah, brilliant! I stand corrected. I couldn't find it in my purchase history
because the name changed.

Grant Hardy


On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 11:06 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> One point to clarify.
>
> Winston still owns Voice Dream Scanner, now named VDScan and Voice Dream
> Writer, now named VDWrite.
>
> Both still work perfectly fine.
>
> Winston’s new company is called Opusnoma LLC.
>
> VDScan: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vdscan/id1446737725
>
>
>
> VDWrite: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vdwrite/id920583100
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA
>
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less
> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight
> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life."
> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Grant Hardy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 2, 2024 10:54 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
>
>
>
> Hey Chris,
>
>
>
> I think there’s a bit of confusion here. I don’t have a problem with Voice
> Dream Reader switching to a subscription model. This doesn’t violate any
> Apple rules either, and there’s been no pushback on this from me at all. I
> also do not believe anyone is entitled to any future updates without
> subscribing.
>
>
>
> My concern is not what they’ve already done, but what they’re about to do.
> What they are going to do come May 1st is actively disable functionality
> (our perpetual licenses) that we’ve previously purchased under agreed upon
> terms. That’s problematic because it it isn’t healthy for the App Store
> ecosystem, in my view. Can you imagine if all the apps you bought could be
> disabled or taken back? It’s also against Apple’s developer guidelines, if
> I’m reading them correctly and which Cara echoed as well. Developers are
> welcome to change pricing and feature availability for new users, but they
> generally can’t just take back features you already paid for (though they
> can stop giving you updates). To give a bit of an over-the-top analogy
> here, this would be like when Microsoft switched to Office 365 as a
> subscription. There are now features and updates that you can only get if
> you subscribe, and that’s completely okay. But imagine if in addition to
> creating the new subscription, they went back and disabled everyone’s
> licenses who purchased Office 2007, 2010, 2013 and so forth, or made it so
> you couldn’t create new documents. You’d probably think that was insane.
> Yet that’s exactly what this developer is doing. That’s the only thing I
> have serious concerns about.
>
>
>
> We’re also talking as if this only applies to one purchase, but this will
> also affect my purchase of Voice Dream Scanner, which they’ve removed from
> the App Store and bundled into the main app, as well as all the voices I
> bought, which I won’t be able to use the same way since I can’t add
> documents.
>
>
>
> This will significantly affect users whose schools or universities bought
> Voice Dream through a district/corporate account, because it will be
> disabled right around exam time.
>
>
>
> What they should do is keep the current version of the app that we
> purchased in the store and release a new subscription app alongside it. Any
> new features that they come up with may well be worth subscribing for, but
> not the current feature set.
>
>
>
> I can’t predict the future but it’s possible this will just slip under
> Apple’s radar come May 1st and I’d imagine that’s what they’re counting on.
>
>
>
>
> Grant Hardy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:35 AM Chris Chaffin 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Grant,
>
>
>
> I agree that not being able to add more to the VDR library is not leaving
> the app to function the same way.  But a couple of thoughts.
>
>
>
> 1, Since the subscription model has already been added and Apple did
> approve it, I would conclude that Apple will not be rejecting the start of
> the subscription.  There is now a subscription button in settings that
> people are using to subscribe.
>
>
>
> 2, If for some reason Apple stops the subscription from going through as
> is, then I would say that there would be a good chance that VDR might
> disappear for good.  Without the funds to properly support the app, the
> developers will just stop developing it and take it out of the app store.
>
>
>
> If you think back, there has been several updates over the last year.
> Whether the update is adding a new feature, updating it to work with a new
> iOS release,  or just finding the cause of bugs and fixing them, it all
> takes time, and time cost money.  I have actually been surprised that there
> have been so many updates.
>
>
>
> I am not happy about the subscription, but I use VDR on a daily basis, and
> I would also not be happy to see it go away.  there are jus

weather app

[Vicki W.]

Hi,

Is there any way to keep the IPhone weather app from defaulting to Cupertino? 
In my list of cities, it shows New York, Cupertino and my city. I switch it to 
mine, and as soon as I close the app, it switches right back to Cupertino.

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Re: weather app

[Richard Turner]

Try double tapping on location list in the bottom right corner. On that next screen, double tap on the more button. Then, double tap on edit list. Now, flick right to the cities you do not want and flick up or down to delete, and double tap. Double tap on done when you are finished. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Apr 2, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:






Hi,
 
Is there any way to keep the IPhone weather app 
from defaulting to Cupertino? In my list of cities, it shows New York, Cupertino 
and my city. I switch it to mine, and as soon as I close the app, it switches 
right back to Cupertino.
 
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Re: weather app

[Tom Lange]

Hi,Open Settings.Find Weather and double tap to open its settings.Tap on Location and set to While Using.That should do the trick.Hope that helps.TomOn Apr 2, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Vicki W.  wrote:






Hi,
 
Is there any way to keep the IPhone weather app 
from defaulting to Cupertino? In my list of cities, it shows New York, Cupertino 
and my city. I switch it to mine, and as soon as I close the app, it switches 
right back to Cupertino.
 
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