RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official one

2024-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
That is all nice and good, but by now the new Sonos app is actually working 
somewhat OK even though it seems less efficient than the old one, but from what 
I read on some Sonos groups and forums I am on, a lot of the complaints by 
sighted users concern the fact that you cannot play music from a local library 
like on a NAS, you can't eduit queues and the snooze feature is missing from 
alarms. Local library playback and alarms are both features which are mentioned 
this SonoPhone app doesn't have to begin with.
This would be quite an opportunity however if a developer could come out with a 
Sonos replacement which can do all these things and do them better than the 
official Sonos app.
Sonos has definitely won the how to make a mess of things lottery; they screwed 
up before when they first started their upgrade program and bricked any device 
you would use to get an upgrade credit before changing their tune and letting 
you use a device to get an upgrade credit but then also either continue to use 
said device or sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Spence, the current 
CEO, is going to be looking for a new job since ultimately I assume the CEO is 
to blame for this idiocy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 1:16 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled 
official one


I have not had any experience with this app, as I have no Sonos gear. However, 
for those of you who are still having a problem with the Sonos screwed up app 
that they still haven’t put completely right, maybe this one will be better. No 
idea how accessible it is or is not.
Mary
Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official 
one
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[sonos]

If you're one of the Sonos users who doesn't like the updated 
app,
 there may be a solution: a third-party app called SonoPhone.

The app has been out for some time – its version history on the 
Apple App Store goes back eight years and 
the YouTube promo clip embedded below is 
10 years old – but it's being rediscovered by 
Sonos users such as "Cake Burner", who 
writes on Apple's iOS App Store that "after the dreadful launch of the new 
Sonos app... SonoPhone does what it says on the tin... it lacks a few of the 
admin functions [but] for actually playing your own music, managing queues and 
enjoying your hardware it is excellent." It's also proved a hit with 
multiple
 users 
of 
the 
Sonos
 
subreddit.

Sonos has issued multiple updates to restore features removed from the app 
earlier this year, but even the most recent update is still missing some key 
features.
 This month's update is planned to deliver better playback settings, local 
library editing, improved Autoplay settings and improved Sub audio settings; a 
future update will add snooze alarms.
SonoPhone - YouTube [SonoPhone - YouTube]
Watch On 
What you need to know about the SonosPhone app

If you're hoping to run SonoPhone on Android, unfortunately you're out of luck: 
it's an iOS-only app. And while it supports most music streamers it doesn't 
currently support Google Music or enable 
you to stream locally stored music from your phone. It doesn't do alarms, and 
it isn't designed to set up a new Sonos system.

What it does do rather well is operate as a controller for the best Sonos 
speakers. It's been designed to require as few taps as possible to access 
commonly used features, and while it's not going to win any awards for its 
looks – its interface is very dated – it's fast and effective. It's also 
compatible with tons of iPhones going back to the iPhone 4S and the 5th-gen 
iPod Touch.

Writing on 
HowToGeek.com,
 Sonos owner and SonoPhone user Tyler Hayes says that while he doesn't 
anticipate it being his main Sonos app forever "it's a great stop-gap measure 
right now"; Hayes "wouldn't be surprised if other burned Sonos cust

RE: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Yes, using AI for such things is amazing and while Be My Eyes was the first or 
maybe one of the first apps to offer this in such an easy to use interface, by 
now all the major apps have similar functionality. In Seeing AI The "Scene" 
channel doe smore or less the same thing by letting you take a picture and then 
using AI to describe it, you can also browse the photos on your device to get 
descriptions and Aira just announced that it's "Access AI" is now available to 
all. And of course on the PC, the recent improvements to Jaws Picture Smart are 
nothing short of amazing especially with today's addition which allows you to 
ask a specific question right from the start, if this was possible in Be My 
Eyes or the other apps you could simply ask right from the start that you are 
looking to find out what the temperature on the thermostat is set to and then 
take the picture and send it rather than sending a picture first, waiting for a 
description and then asking if the initial description doesn't include the 
information.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
lang...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Be My AI Rocks!

Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a 
while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve 
used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works 
pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide 
whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents 
, or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to 
my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get 
nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and 
microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But 
anyway…

In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, 
so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and 
put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s 
camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded 
by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the 
thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I 
flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly 
see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that 
the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was 
pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted 
assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was 
HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!

For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and 
I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.

Tom



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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where 
I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!


Richard
"There's a nap for that."
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl 
mailto:stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at 
reading mail. I love it too.


On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a 
while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve 
used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works 
pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide 
whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents 
, or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to 
my door. For packaging, I can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get 
nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and 
microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But 
anyway…

In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, 
so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and 
put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s 
camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded 
by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the 
thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I 
flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly 
see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that 
the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red needle was 
pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted 
assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was 
HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!

For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and 
I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.

Tom



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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Richard Turner 
Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!


 
And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 


Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
hi Richard,I agree with you, Seeing AI has got the best interface, however, I do think with the latest AI they need a new channel, I don't want to go into a channel then look for it and then use it I want it direct on the front screen, perhaps  first position?All the best, Sandy and Zed Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 4 Jul 2024, at 11:28, Richard Turner  wrote:Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!


 
And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 


Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Malcolm Parfitt 
Has anyone here tried PiccyBot?  It can describe short videos 30 seconds or 60 for registered users.  It can use a variety of AI models and supports a number of voices.Malcolm ParfittOn 4 Jul 2024, at 11:33 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  wrote:hi Richard,I agree with you, Seeing AI has got the best interface, however, I do think with the latest AI they need a new channel, I don't want to go into a channel then look for it and then use it I want it direct on the front screen, perhaps  first position?All the best, Sandy and Zed Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 4 Jul 2024, at 11:28, Richard Turner  wrote:Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!


 
And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 


Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Mike Arrigo 
Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best one 
at this point.

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI 
>> at reading mail. I love it too.
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s 
>>> been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
>>> feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging 
>>> and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an 
>>> envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is 
>>> worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the 
>>> notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take a 
>>> picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high 
>>> in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of 
>>> that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I 
>>> might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…
>>>  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 
>>> 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my 
>>> apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded 
>>> Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, 
>>> positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took 
>>> a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the 
>>> thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that 
>>> the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took 
>>> another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I 
>>> again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 
>>> 74 according to where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I 
>>> was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may 
>>> not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet 
>>> another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
>>>  For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
>>> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
>>> Take care, y’all.
>>>  Tom
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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread dandrews920 
There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you can 
move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up text. If 
you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something more complex 
may require something like Be My AI.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best one 
at this point.

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI 
>> at reading mail. I love it too.
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. 
>>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
>>> feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging 
>>> and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an 
>>> envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is 
>>> worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the 
>>> notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take a 
>>> picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high 
>>> in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of 
>>> that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I 
>>> might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
>>> Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
>>> turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
>>> inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
>>> and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
>>> phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
>>> My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I 
>>> asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
>>> poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
>>> time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
>>> was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
>>> where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
>>> pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
>>> like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
>>> example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
>>>  For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
>>> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
>>> Take care, y’all.
>>>  Tom
>>>

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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Chela Robles 
Yes, piccy bot. I had a longer duration video that was 4 minutes in length and it described it to me.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 3:47 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:Has anyone here tried PiccyBot?  It can describe short videos 30 seconds or 60 for registered users.  It can use a variety of AI models and supports a number of voices.Malcolm ParfittOn 4 Jul 2024, at 11:33 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone  wrote:hi Richard,I agree with you, Seeing AI has got the best interface, however, I do think with the latest AI they need a new channel, I don't want to go into a channel then look for it and then use it I want it direct on the front screen, perhaps  first position?All the best, Sandy and Zed Sent from The dark side of the moonOn 4 Jul 2024, at 11:28, Richard Turner  wrote:Yes, Seeing AI was the first to recognize handwriting. At the time, it was truly revolutionary and they should get full credit for breaking the ground for handwriting recognition. And yes, most apps do recognize handwriting now. However, none have put the whole package together in such an easy and straight forward way as Be My Eyes. I keep trying all the other free, or free trial apps that offer AI descriptions, Be My Eyes is the easiest and often the best by quite a bit. At least in my opinion. Seeing AI is the best at immediate reading with the Short Text channel. I go to it first for most things I want to know what it says/is. But if I want more of a detailed description, I use Be My Eyes. Richard"There's a nap for that." Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Seeing AI app also has a handwriting channel and on the few occasions where I had a reason to use it, the result was quite good as well.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 10:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!


 
And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!

 


 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." 


Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:






Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI at reading mail. I love it too.






On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, 
lang...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi all,
Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging and it works pretty
 darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can
 take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future
 reference. But anyway…
 
In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put
 Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said
 that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little
 red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 
For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
Take care, y’all.
 
Tom
 
 
 
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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz 
The built in magnifier app can also do a lot of this. 

Cristóbal

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dandrews...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 4:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI Rocks!

There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you can 
move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up text. If 
you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something more complex 
may require something like Be My AI.

Dave



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best one 
at this point.

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing AI 
>> at reading mail. I love it too.
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI. 
>>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
>>> feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and packaging 
>>> and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to read an 
>>> envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash or is 
>>> worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page of the 
>>> notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take a 
>>> picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it high 
>>> in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. All of 
>>> that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere else I 
>>> might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
>>> Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
>>> turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
>>> inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
>>> and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
>>> phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
>>> My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when I 
>>> asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
>>> poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
>>> time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
>>> was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
>>> where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
>>> pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
>>> like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
>>> example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
>>>  For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
>>> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
>>> Take care, y’all.
>>>  Tom
>>>

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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you 
> can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up 
> text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something 
> more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>
> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
> one at this point.
>
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that."
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
 It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
 feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
 packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
 read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
 or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page 
 of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take 
 a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it 
 high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. 
 All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere 
 else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
 Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
 turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
 inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
 and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
 phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
 My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when 
 I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
 poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
 time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
 was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
 where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
 pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
 like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
 example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
 and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
 Take care, y’all.
 Tom

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RE: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Richard Turner 
Yes, the camera app can do this.
But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!

The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
—
Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
Chaltain at Gmail

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you 
> can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up 
> text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something 
> more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
> Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>
> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
> one at this point.
>
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "There's a nap for that."
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
>>> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
>>>
 On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
 It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
 feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
 packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
 read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
 or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page 
 of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can take 
 a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is it 
 high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking directions. 
 All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or anywhere 
 else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  In the San 
 Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 90s, so I 
 turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my apartment’s 
 inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, loaded Be My Eyes 
 and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, positioned the 
 phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and took a picture. Be 
 My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the thermostat, and when 
 I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that the lighting was too 
 poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took another picture. That 
 time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when I again asked what it 
 was set to, it told me that the temperature was set to 74 according to 
 where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite 
 pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem 
 like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another 
 example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
 For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
 and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
 Take care, y’all.
 Tom

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RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official one

2024-07-04 Thread Richard Turner 
Hello Sieghard and all,

I wrote the developer of Sonophone to inquire about accessibility with 
VoiceOver.  I also mentioned I would like to be able to test the app without 
having to buy it first…

Well, within half a day, he wrote me back with a link to the beta build in 
Testflight.

He is a solo developer and had not had any experience with VoiceOver.

 

I checked out the app, and there of course were lots of accessibility issues 
with button labels, etc.

 

I gave him some feedback on those items I initially found.  I also sent him the 
information from Apple for developers on how to make their apps better with 
VoiceOver.

 

That was yesterday.  Today, I got an email from him with a new build in 
Testflight where he had gone through and added the accessibility labels for 
pretty much everything.

 

He is open to more feedback.  Which is a great sign.

I sent him 5 more questions/observations just a little while ago.

 

I will add some of what you said Sieghard about alarms, etc.  I can tell you 
that from the get go, it is easier to access your own music library with his 
app.

Now, when I first launched the app it took probably 10 or more minutes to find 
all my Sonos speakers, but it did find them.

 

Given he is a solo developer it will take time to get it to have the features 
maybe everyone would like.  And it could be he isn’t trying to have everything 
the Sonos app has, I don’t know yet.

There are some oddities about the way you get the music playing, but it isn’t 
that much more difficult than the Sonos app itself.

Of course you cannot setup a Sonos system and do some of the technical stuff 
that you can do in the manufacturer’s app.

But if it provides another way of accessing your music and such that is easier 
to use, I’ll support him in doing that.

 

Later,

 

Richard, USA

"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the 
troubled official one

 

That is all nice and good, but by now the new Sonos app is actually working 
somewhat OK even though it seems less efficient than the old one, but from what 
I read on some Sonos groups and forums I am on, a lot of the complaints by 
sighted users concern the fact that you cannot play music from a local library 
like on a NAS, you can't eduit queues and the snooze feature is missing from 
alarms. Local library playback and alarms are both features which are mentioned 
this SonoPhone app doesn't have to begin with.

This would be quite an opportunity however if a developer could come out with a 
Sonos replacement which can do all these things and do them better than the 
official Sonos app.

Sonos has definitely won the how to make a mess of things lottery; they screwed 
up before when they first started their upgrade program and bricked any device 
you would use to get an upgrade credit before changing their tune and letting 
you use a device to get an upgrade credit but then also either continue to use 
said device or sell it. I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Spence, the current 
CEO, is going to be looking for a new job since ultimately I assume the CEO is 
to blame for this idiocy.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 1:16 PM
To: VIPhone via mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled 
official one

 

 

I have not had any experience with this app, as I have no Sonos gear. However, 
for those of you who are still having a problem with the Sonos screwed up app 
that they still haven’t put completely right, maybe this one will be better. No 
idea how accessible it is or is not.

Mary

Sonos fans are turning to this alternative app instead of the troubled official 
one

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 , there may be a solution: a third-party app called SonoPhone. 

The app has been out for some time – its version history on the Apple 
  App Store goes back eight years and the 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Lelia Struve 
Wait! I didn't know Be my Ai could read handwriting? Yes your right Seeing ai 
does a greatjob with handwriting. How can you make be my ai read the 
handwriting? Does aira's ai read handwriting?
Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the camera app can do this.
> But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
> 
> The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
> —
> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so you 
>> can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick up 
>> text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. Something 
>> more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>> Arrigo
>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>> 
>> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
>> one at this point.
>> 
 On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that."
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
 
 Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
 AI at reading mail. I love it too.
 
> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My AI 
> feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full page 
> of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I can 
> take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional information (is 
> it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave cooking 
> directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a notes app or 
> anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. But anyway…  
> In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps in the upper 
> 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to see what my 
> apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my phone, 
> loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the hallway, 
> positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the thermostat and 
> took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the wall with the 
> thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set to, it said that 
> the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the light switch and took 
> another picture. That time, it could clearly see the thermostat, and when 
> I again asked what it was set to, it told me that the temperature was set 
> to 74 according to where the little red needle was pointing. Needless to 
> say I was quite pleased that I didn’t have to get sighted assistance. 
> That may not seem like such a big deal to some, but to me it was HUGE. 
> That is yet another example of how, for me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
> For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
> Take care, y’all.
> Tom
> 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Richard Turner 
There is nothing to do but use it the way you always do. If there is 
handwriting, it should read it. 


Richard
"There's a nap for that." 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Wait! I didn't know Be my Ai could read handwriting? Yes your right Seeing 
> ai does a greatjob with handwriting. How can you make be my ai read the 
> handwriting? Does aira's ai read handwriting?
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the camera app can do this.
>> But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>> 
>> The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
>> —
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
 On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so 
>>> you can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick 
>>> up text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. 
>>> Something more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>>> 
>>> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
>>> one at this point.
>>> 
> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
 
 And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
 
 
 Richard
 "There's a nap for that."
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
> 
> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My 
>> AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
>> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
>> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
>> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full 
>> page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I 
>> can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional 
>> information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave 
>> cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
>> notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. 
>> But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps 
>> in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to 
>> see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my 
>> phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the 
>> hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the 
>> thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the 
>> wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set 
>> to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the 
>> light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see 
>> the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me 
>> that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red 
>> needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t 
>> have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a big deal 
>> to some, but to me it was HUGE. That is yet another example of how, for 
>> me at least, BE My AI ROCKS!
>> For comparison purposes, I’ll use the Envision app to do similar things 
>> and I’ll let you all know how it goes.
>> Take care, y’all.
>> Tom
>> 
>>> 
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Re: Be My AI Rocks!

2024-07-04 Thread Richard Turner 
Lelia and all, 
Below is what I got when taking a picture with Be My Eyes of a birthday card 
for my wife from a long time friend. Her handwritten message did indeed go onto 
the back of the card as it says at the end of the Be My Eyes message. 
This card was printed in cursive print, as well as our friend's handwritten 
message.  And, it is 100% accurate. 

The image shows an open birthday card. The printed text on the left side reads:

"Cute shoes, cute dog, and eventually everything works out fine."

Below that, in red text, it says:

"Happy Birthday"

There is a handwritten message below the printed text that reads:

"Carol -
Your friendship is a gift of great value to me and I hope this birthday is a 
blessed day for you - that you will know that you" 

The message seems to be cut off at the  end.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


Richard
"There's a nap for that." 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Wait! I didn't know Be my Ai could read handwriting? Yes your right Seeing 
> ai does a greatjob with handwriting. How can you make be my ai read the 
> handwriting? Does aira's ai read handwriting?
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the camera app can do this.
>> But, it is no where near as straight forward as Seeing AI or Be My Eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 1:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>> 
>> The Camera app on the iPhone can also dynamically recognize text and objects.
>> —
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) on the move
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
 On Jul 4, 2024, at 6:44 AM, dandrews...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is one advantage to Seeing AI. With short text, it is dynamic, so 
>>> you can move around try again, flip the object etc., and still try to pick 
>>> up text. If you are just trying to identify an object it is great. 
>>> Something more complex may require something like Be My AI.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 7:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Be My AI Rocks!
>>> 
>>> Yes, between be my AI, envision and seeing AI, I think be my AI is the best 
>>> one at this point.
>>> 
> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
 
 And Be my AI can read handwriting. Its fantastic!
 
 
 Richard
 "There's a nap for that."
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Barbara Stahl  
>> wrote:
> 
> Yes be my AI is totally awesome. Sometimes even works better than Seeing 
> AI at reading mail. I love it too.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 8:29 PM, lang...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Today I got a reminder of how much I dig the hell out of Be My AI.
>> It’s been a while since I’ve used Be My Eyes, and especially its Be My 
>> AI feature. I’ve used Be My AI for reading various types of mail and 
>> packaging and it works pretty darn well.  For example, I can use it to 
>> read an envelope to decide whether the mail goes straight into the trash 
>> or is worth scanning its contents , or I can use it to read the full 
>> page of the notice that my landlord tapes to my door. For packaging, I 
>> can take a picture of a Trader Joe’s product, get nutritional 
>> information (is it high in sodium?), and get both stovetop and microwave 
>> cooking directions. All of that info can be copied and pasted into a 
>> notes app or anywhere else I might choose to do so for future reference. 
>> But anyway…  In the San Fernando Valley today it’s sweltering with temps 
>> in the upper 90s, so I turned on the central air and needed to check to 
>> see what my apartment’s inaccessible thermostat was set to. I grabbed my 
>> phone, loaded Be My Eyes and put Be My AI to the test. I went into the 
>> hallway, positioned the phone’s camera so that it could see the 
>> thermostat and took a picture. Be My responded by saying that it saw the 
>> wall with the thermostat, and when I asked what the thermostat was set 
>> to, it said that the lighting was too poor, whereupon I flipped the 
>> light switch and took another picture. That time, it could clearly see 
>> the thermostat, and when I again asked what it was set to, it told me 
>> that the temperature was set to 74 according to where the little red 
>> needle was pointing. Needless to say I was quite pleased that I didn’t 
>> have to get sighted assistance. That may not seem like such a