APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Hi all, I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my phone to check this out. On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage in other ways. If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and enhance life once again? Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use braille displays. Donna > On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but I > wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities and > are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a Braille > display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the things I am > passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor appears to be > unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not always sure exactly > where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my phone to check this out. > > On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be > interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, > together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" > with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of > course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage in > other ways. > > If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening to > your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think needs to > be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and enhance > life once again? > > Carol P > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any > questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators > directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list > can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
It has those settings now. Are you hinting there will be more and better settings? Surely answering that won’t violate the NDA so long as you don’t go into specifics about what settings, etc. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 9:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use braille displays. Donna On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com> ' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Hi all, I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my phone to check this out. On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage in other ways. If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and enhance life once again? Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? Carol P - Original Message - From: Donna To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use braille displays. Donna On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: Hi all, I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my phone to check this out. On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage in other ways. If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and enhance life once again? Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS 9. I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how Braille users work with their devices. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? > > Carol P > >> - Original Message - >> From: Donna <mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >> >> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use braille >> displays. >> >> Donna >> >> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >> ' via VIPhone >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but I >>> wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities >>> and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a >>> Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the >>> things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor >>> appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not >>> always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my >>> phone to check this out. >>> >>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" >>> with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of >>> course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage >>> in other ways. >>> >>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening to >>> your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think needs >>> to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and >>> enhance life once again? >>> >>> Carol P >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >>> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >>> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >>> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >>> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. >> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any >> questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a >> member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list >> can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegr
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Hi, Johnathon, Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a bug in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and you insert a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get expanded into said contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell. > On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > > There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS 9. > I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how > Braille users work with their devices. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >> <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone >> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >> >> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >> >> Carol P >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Donna <mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>> >>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>> braille displays. >>> >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>> ' via VIPhone >>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but >>>> I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one of >>>> the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am >>>> not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my >>>> phone to check this out. >>>> >>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" >>>> with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of >>>> course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage >>>> in other ways. >>>> >>>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening >>>> to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think >>>> needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure and >>>> enhance life once again? >>>> >>>> Carol P >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives >>>> for this list can be searched at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/viphone>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphon
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Thanks Daniel, I will check this out again more thoroughly, but certainly in an early beta I was seeing no change. If that has in fact improved, then this is a big step forward. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 3/08/2015, at 11:00 pm, Daniel Miller wrote: > > Hi, Johnathon, > > Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a bug > in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and you > insert a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get expanded into > said contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell. > >> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen > <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >> >> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS 9. >> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >> Braille users work with their devices. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>> On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>> <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone >>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>> >>> Carol P >>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Donna <mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net> >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>>> >>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>> braille displays. >>>> >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>>> ' via VIPhone >>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, but >>>>> I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one >>>>> of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I >>>>> am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick >>>>> up my phone to check this out. >>>>> >>>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given >>>>> up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, >>>>> and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps >>>>> manage in other ways. >>>>> >>>>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening >>>>> to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think >>>>> needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure >>>>> and enhance life once again? >>>>> >>>>> Carol P >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives >>>>> for this list can be searched at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/>. >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group an
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
You’re welcome. I can do more tests as well, but I could’ve swore it was fixed in an earlier beta. I’ll let you know what I find. :) > On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:50 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > > Thanks Daniel, I will check this out again more thoroughly, but certainly in > an early beta I was seeing no change. If that has in fact improved, then this > is a big step forward. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >> On 3/08/2015, at 11:00 pm, Daniel Miller > <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, Johnathon, >> >> Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a bug >> in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and you >> insert a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get expanded >> into said contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell. >> >>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS >>> 9. >>> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >>> Braille users work with their devices. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>>> <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone >>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>>> >>>> Carol P >>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Donna <mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net> >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>>>> >>>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>>> braille displays. >>>>> >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>>>> ' via VIPhone >>>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, >>>>>> but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one >>>>>> of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I >>>>>> am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick >>>>>> up my phone to check this out. >>>>>> >>>>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given >>>>>> up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, >>>>>> and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can >>>>>> perhaps manage in other ways. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening >>>>>> to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think >>>>>> needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure >>>>>> and enhance life once again? >>>>>> >>>>>> Carol P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>>>>> feel that a mem
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
I didn't notice this to be fixed and in fact think I saw that very bug a couple
of days ago.
However, I'll do a specific test and make sure.
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Miller
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Hi, Johnathon,
Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a bug
in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and you insert
a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get expanded into said
contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell.
On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS
9.
I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how
Braille users work with their devices.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
wrote:
Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they?
Carol P
- Original Message -
From: Donna
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use
braille displays.
Donna
On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via
VIPhone wrote:
Hi all,
I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9,
but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille facilities
and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of using a Braille
display at present. The time lag of the display is one of the things I am
passionate about and another is the way in which the cursor appears to be
unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I am not always sure exactly
where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick up my phone to check this out.
On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also
be interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you,
together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given up" with
Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, and of course,
deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can perhaps manage in other ways.
If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped
listening to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you
think needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure
and enhance life once again?
Carol P
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Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Hi Carol, I just did a few tests, and yes, I can confirm it’s fixed, unless I’m paranoid, and it’s truly not? I’m using a Focus 40 Blue. > On Aug 3, 2015, at 7:19 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > I didn't notice this to be fixed and in fact think I saw that very bug a > couple of days ago. > > However, I'll do a specific test and make sure. > > Carol P > >> - Original Message - >> From: Daniel Miller <mailto:miller...@gmail.com> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:00 PM >> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >> >> Hi, Johnathon, >> >> Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a bug >> in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and you >> insert a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get expanded >> into said contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell. >> >>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen >> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS >>> 9. >>> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >>> Braille users work with their devices. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>>> <mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com>' via VIPhone >>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>>> >>>> Carol P >>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Donna <mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net> >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>>>> >>>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>>> braille displays. >>>>> >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com >>>>> ' via VIPhone >>>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, >>>>>> but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one >>>>>> of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I >>>>>> am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick >>>>>> up my phone to check this out. >>>>>> >>>>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given >>>>>> up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, >>>>>> and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can >>>>>> perhaps manage in other ways. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped listening >>>>>> to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do you think >>>>>> needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real pleasure >>>>>> and enhance life once again? >>>>>> >>>>>> Carol P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>>>> have any questions or concern
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
I'd like to be sure that the cursor issue is fixed it is an abysmal process trying to track where you are with the braille device > On Aug 3, 2015, at 5:28 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > > Hi Carol, > > I just did a few tests, and yes, I can confirm it’s fixed, unless I’m > paranoid, and it’s truly not? I’m using a Focus 40 Blue. >> On Aug 3, 2015, at 7:19 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone >> wrote: >> >> I didn't notice this to be fixed and in fact think I saw that very bug a >> couple of days ago. >> >> However, I'll do a specific test and make sure. >> >> Carol P >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Daniel Miller >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>> >>> Hi, Johnathon, >>> >>> Actually, I’d like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there’s a >>> bug in iOS 8 where if you’re correcting a spelling mistake you made, and >>> you insert a letter that’s also a contraction, the letter would get >>> expanded into said contraction. That’s been fixed, as far as I could tell. >>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>> >>>> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS >>>> 9. >>>> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >>>> Braille users work with their devices. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org >>>> >>>>> On 2/08/2015, at 5:11 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>>>> >>>>> Carol P >>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Donna >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5:42 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>>>> braille displays. >>>>>> >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via >>>>>>> VIPhone wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, >>>>>>> but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>>>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one >>>>>>> of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>>>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I >>>>>>> am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick >>>>>>> up my phone to check this out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>>>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>>>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given >>>>>>> up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, >>>>>>> and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can >>>>>>> perhaps manage in other ways. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Jonathan Moson is reading this, Jonathan, has Apple stopped >>>>>>> listening to your comments on using Braille displays? What exactly do >>>>>>> you think needs to be done to make working with Braille displays a real >>>>>>> pleasure and enhance life once again? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carol P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is i
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
Sorry, Daniel: Can I just confirm what you mean here? you write: I can confirm it's fixed, unless I'm paranoid, and it's truly not? I'm using a Focus 40 Blue. So you're saying, it is fixed and you're not just imagining it! Well, if that's the case, it's good, good news. I'm running a 4Ness, by the way, but that shouldn't make a difference. Carol P - Original Message - From: brian albriton To: viphone@googlegroups.com CC: Date: Monday, 3 August 2015 1.33 pm Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE > > > I'd like to be sure that the cursor issue is fixed it is an abysmal process > trying to track where you are with the braille device > > > > On Aug 3, 2015, at 5.28 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > > Hi Carol, > > I just did a few tests, and yes, I can confirm it's fixed, unless I'm > paranoid, and it's truly not? I'm using a Focus 40 Blue. 0was On Aug 3, 2015, at 7.19 AM, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone wrote: 0was 0was I didn't notice this to be fixed and in fact think I saw that very bug a couple of days ago. 0was 0was However, I'll do a specific test and make sure. 0was 0was Carol P 0was >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Daniel Miller >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12.00 PM >>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE >>> >>> Hi, Johnathon, >>> >>> Actually, I'd like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there's a >>> bug in iOS 8 where if you're correcting a spelling mistake you made, and >>> you insert a letter that's also a contraction, the letter would get >>> expanded into said contraction. That's been fixed, as far as I could tell. >>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4.42 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>> >>>> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with iOS >>>> 9. >>>> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >>>> Braille users work with their devices. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://,m;osen.org >>>> >>>>> On 2/08/2015, at 5.11 am, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via >>>>> VIPhone wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>>>> >>>>> Carol P >>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Donna >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5.42 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>>>> braille displays. >>>>>> >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12.33 PM, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via >>>>>>> VIPhone wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, >>>>>>> but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks of >>>>>>> using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is one >>>>>>> of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in which the >>>>>>> cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very accurately and I >>>>>>> am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I shouldn't have to pick >>>>>>> up my phone to check this out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a general issue and not just looking at what's to come, I'd also be >>>>>>> interested in any settings you have that make the lagging less for you, >>>>>>> together with which display you're using. Perhaps everyone has "given >>>>>>> up" with Braille input in this way now. We shouldn't have to, though, >>>>>>> and of course, deaf-blind friends still need this, even if we can >>>>>>> perhaps manage in other ways. >
Re: APPLE SUPPORT FOR BRAILLE
No, that shouldn’t make a difference. We are talking about the beta of 9, correct? If we are, I should probably refrain from saying any more until the fall. > On Aug 3, 2015, at 7:43 AM, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone > wrote: > > Sorry, Daniel: > > Can I just confirm what you mean here? you write: > I can confirm it's fixed, unless I'm paranoid, and it's truly not? I'm using > a Focus 40 Blue. > So you're saying, it is fixed and you're not just imagining it! Well, if > that's the case, it's good, good news. I'm running a 4Ness, by the way, but > that shouldn't make a difference. > > Carol P > > - Original Message - > From: brian albriton > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > CC: > Date: Monday, 3 August 2015 1.33 pm > Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE > >> >> >> I'd like to be sure that the cursor issue is fixed it is an abysmal process >> trying to track where you are with the braille device >> >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2015, at 5.28 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: >> >> Hi Carol, >> >> I just did a few tests, and yes, I can confirm it's fixed, unless I'm >> paranoid, and it's truly not? I'm using a Focus 40 Blue. > 0was On Aug 3, 2015, at 7.19 AM, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via > VIPhone wrote: > 0was > 0was I didn't notice this to be fixed and in fact think I saw that very bug a > couple of days ago. > 0was > 0was However, I'll do a specific test and make sure. > 0was > 0was Carol P > 0was >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Daniel Miller >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12.00 PM >>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE >>>> >>>> Hi, Johnathon, >>>> >>>> Actually, I'd like to correct you on one thing. If you recall, there's a >>>> bug in iOS 8 where if you're correcting a spelling mistake you made, and >>>> you insert a letter that's also a contraction, the letter would get >>>> expanded into said contraction. That's been fixed, as far as I could tell. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 4.42 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is no change of any significance to the defects in Braille with >>>>> iOS 9. >>>>> I can only conclude Apple has no one working there who understands how >>>>> Braille users work with their devices. >>>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Mosen Consulting >>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>>> http://,m;osen.org >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/08/2015, at 5.11 am, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via >>>>>> VIPhone wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't they already? But they don't really work well, do they? >>>>>> >>>>>> Carol P >>>>>> >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> From: Donna >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 5.42 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: APPLE SUPPORT For BRAILLE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll just say that IOS will have specific settings for those who use >>>>>>> braille displays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12.33 PM, ',c;arol.,p;earso...@googlemail.com' via >>>>>>>> VIPhone wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know you can't really disclose Apple's plans, as it were, for IOS9, >>>>>>>> but I wonder if any of you testers can assure me you use the Braille >>>>>>>> facilities and are looking to iron out some of the abysmal drawbacks >>>>>>>> of using a Braille display at present. The time lag of the display is >>>>>>>> one of the things I am passionate about and another is the way in >>>>>>>> which the cursor appears to be unable to follow the Braille very >>>>>>>> accurately and I am not always sure exactly where I am placed. I >>>>>>>>
