RE: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Harry, I should have realized you had phonetic feedback turned on before posting. I completely understand how much more efficient it is to have a voice that distinguishes the characters more clearly so you don’t have to wait for the phonetic feedback. And I rather like Karen’s Australian accent but I’m from the deep South of the USA so my opinions on accents are probably suspect. Alan Lemly From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I do have phonetic feedback turned on but it is very irritating to have to pause and wait every time I type an N or M! Harry On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:30, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS _ From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Kate is very nice. Seems responsive even on my first generation SE which is just a wi-fi device now. I usually use Tom enhanced but I will try Kate for a while. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2021, at 1:23 PM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote: And I have just discovered that the British Kate Enhanced voice also clearly differentiates between N and M. Hurrah! Harry On 23 Sep 2021, at 20:47, Star Gazer wrote: Harry, are in the U.k.? I found Karen’s accent difficult to understand but I do like the U.k. siri male voice. I also am using Tom enhanced. From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I do have phonetic feedback turned on but it is very irritating to have to pause and wait every time I type an N or M! Harry On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:30, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l=04%7C01%7C%7C317971c667064ed1056808d97ed00bd8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680254280137835%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=Wx%2B31LmOxrvB5OPG%2BxEOM6OJTaKZFOR5UzwN0%2FnpGd8%3D=0> for iOS From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C317971c667064ed1056808d97ed00bd8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680254280137835%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=o4xL14Y4miLZ0%2FMpYxcFP%2F1OjaTrpWOBDiTM06eZ5z0%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C317971c667064ed1056808d97ed00bd8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680254280147793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=Zzb490I4qidQ2gIKdZ6B3NoE86I3mp1grm%2BpdpgFVWI%3D=0>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@uc
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
And I have just discovered that the British Kate Enhanced voice also clearly differentiates between N and M. Hurrah! Harry > On 23 Sep 2021, at 20:47, Star Gazer wrote: > > > Harry, are in the U.k.? I found Karen’s accent difficult to understand but I > do like the U.k. siri male voice. > I also am using Tom enhanced. > > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:35 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! > > I do have phonetic feedback turned on but it is very irritating to have to > pause and wait every time I type an N or M! > Harry > > > On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:30, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > Hi Harry, > > I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn > on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and > Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so > that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause > also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November > with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. > > Glad you found a voice that works better for you. > > Alan Lemly > > Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM > To: Abridged Recipients > Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! > > I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. > With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the > key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed > to pronounce both as M! > > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go > > to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, > > wait until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced > > and double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > > difference! > > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroup
RE: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Harry, are in the U.k.? I found Karen’s accent difficult to understand but I do like the U.k. siri male voice. I also am using Tom enhanced. From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 12:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I do have phonetic feedback turned on but it is very irritating to have to pause and wait every time I type an N or M! Harry On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:30, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook <https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS _ From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You re
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
I do have phonetic feedback turned on but it is very irritating to have to pause and wait every time I type an N or M! Harry > On 23 Sep 2021, at 16:30, Alan Lemly wrote: > > > Hi Harry, > > I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn > on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and > Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so > that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause > also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November > with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. > > Glad you found a voice that works better for you. > > Alan Lemly > > Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM > To: Abridged Recipients > Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! > > I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. > With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the > key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed > to pronounce both as M! > > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go > > to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, > > wait until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced > > and double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > > difference! > > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1F14560A-54DC-4703-8AEA-24DEE5B9BFAD%40icloud.com.
RE: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
O, I agree Alan, I always have it on as well for those times when either my concentration wanes, or I don’t quite catch it because of background noise, waiting a moment for that confirmation is fabulous. . Richard “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner My Web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! Hi Richard, I understand a long delay before providing phonetic feedback could dissuade one from using it. Personally, Samantha enhanced has very little delay and I'd never type on an on screen keyboard with phonetic feedback turned off. There are just too many letters that sound alike. But as I said, to each his own. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l=04%7C01%7C%7C6e848c64213742fcc0ec08d97eaa2c87%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680091648909291%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=CegmtttzK7dKkZ3kUCSw6c62wj%2BKiNXSKE2d633%2F12g%3D=0> for iOS From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:36:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! Alan, some of the voices have a very long pause before the fonetic feedback is spoken. I personally find Tom Enhanced to speak m and n quite clearly; but everyone's hearing is very different and with some hearing loss, depending on where in the frequency range that is; male or female voices can be harder to understand. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On Sep 23, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l=04%7C01%7C%7C6e848c64213742fcc0ec08d97eaa2c87%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680091648919251%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=a8jTAZyDBtmsSNtswRxaa%2FGuZkpmh0hL%2Fgv3zutHfeE%3D=0> for iOS From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C6e848c64213742fcc0ec08d97eaa2c87%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6376800916489
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Hi Richard, I understand a long delay before providing phonetic feedback could dissuade one from using it. Personally, Samantha enhanced has very little delay and I'd never type on an on screen keyboard with phonetic feedback turned off. There are just too many letters that sound alike. But as I said, to each his own. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:36:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! Alan, some of the voices have a very long pause before the fonetic feedback is spoken. I personally find Tom Enhanced to speak m and n quite clearly; but everyone's hearing is very different and with some hearing loss, depending on where in the frequency range that is; male or female voices can be harder to understand. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com On Sep 23, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448059576%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=5XTmrUKOczW8CTFWIpnBW0NKpgdbTHOold%2BVOVGaJm8%3D=0> for iOS From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448069510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=KPTHSDdwPy0ENwBCr5zsKvP%2Bsdv9j5YpSK9XBaEnaR8%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448069510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=w9%2BUdhdlZiRyPXLUkMsePfqjtdF4gK%2Fk0ik7z7%2BVBcw%3D=0>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Alan, some of the voices have a very long pause before the fonetic feedback is spoken. I personally find Tom Enhanced to speak m and n quite clearly; but everyone's hearing is very different and with some hearing loss, depending on where in the frequency range that is; male or female voices can be harder to understand. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com On Sep 23, 2021, at 8:30 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fqtex0l=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448059576%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=5XTmrUKOczW8CTFWIpnBW0NKpgdbTHOold%2BVOVGaJm8%3D=0> for iOS From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448069510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=KPTHSDdwPy0ENwBCr5zsKvP%2Bsdv9j5YpSK9XBaEnaR8%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%2540icloud.com=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448069510%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=w9%2BUdhdlZiRyPXLUkMsePfqjtdF4gK%2Fk0ik7z7%2BVBcw%3D=0>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C222fd85381114f5972e508d97ea71a5b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637680078448079468%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=FUUNc5IGcQ2fCjQN73tuGGaBvPHYijD4tGmsqhjx3v0%3D=0> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
Hi Harry, I'm glad you found a voice that works better. I'm curious why you didn't turn on phonetic feedback under Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Typing, and Phonetic feedback. I have that setting set to characters and phonetics so that when I'm touch typing a word, Voiceover speaks the letter and if I pause also speaks its phonetic equivalent. It's hard to mistake Mike for November with phonetic feedback turned on. But to each his own. Glad you found a voice that works better for you. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 2:39:53 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M! I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/BN6PR05MB27874F115CF5620B8C22DE39A3A39%40BN6PR05MB2787.namprd05.prod.outlook.com.
Re: At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
I've always enjoyed Karen Enhanced. All the other enhanced voices are great as well. When my iPhone had more space, I always used the enhanced voices. They just sound so much clearer. I am currently using Tom Enhanced. On 9/23/21, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone wrote: > I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. > With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the > key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed > to pronounce both as M! >> But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go >> to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, >> wait until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen >> enhanced and double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can >> make a big difference! >> Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9t3d8bT9tzfdF_PEOGa6P43GJjCu1WwSWzWNzrkv%3DMBug%40mail.gmail.com.
At last a VoiceOver voice which distinguishes between N and M!
I’m in the UK and have so far been using Siri female voice for VoiceOver. With some hearing loss, I’ve been struggling for a while to work out if the key below my finger on the on-screen keyboard is N or M, as VoiceOver seemed to pronounce both as M! > But I’ve now discovered that the Karen enhanced voice works perfectly! Go to > Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Sprrch, find Karen and double tap, wait > until the voice has downloaded, double tap tap and find Karen enhanced and > double tap to select that one. Job done - little changes can make a big > difference! > Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2D2B85D4-9B9E-42DE-8EBB-29219FB95F9F%40icloud.com.
