Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Lois Butterfield]

Well Simon, they said it does. I listened to the presentation. It does a great 
job with heartrate, so I am looking forward to it. It obviously won’t be as 
good as having it done at a clinic, but there are none nearby that do it, so 
I’m excited.

Take care,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 2:09 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> The watch does not do vo2 max readings,
>  
> It is a blood o2 meter,
> And even then take it with a grain of salt.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lois 
> Butterfield
> Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 11:09 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no 
> new iPhone announced
>  
> Yes, I did the same research and found the same answers. I will get the new 
> watch just for the VO 2 Max reading. I’ve always been interested in that.
> 
>  
> Take care, 
> Lois Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
> The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
> It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible 
> cuff,  to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
> The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
> with VoiceOver.
>  
> But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, 
> can be a good argument to get the new watch.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
> so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
> reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
> May
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
> pressure reading. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
> 0777 315 8181
>  
> 
> On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
> without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
> machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life 
> support machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal 
> setting you have to put that cuff around your upper arm.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
> sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
> course, it doesn’t talk!
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
> some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
> rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an 
> all-in-one device!
> 

RE: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

The watch does not do vo2 max readings,

It is a blood o2 meter,
And even then take it with a grain of salt.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lois 
Butterfield
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 11:09 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new 
iPhone announced

Yes, I did the same research and found the same answers. I will get the new 
watch just for the VO 2 Max reading. I’ve always been interested in that.

Take care,
Lois Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible cuff, 
 to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
with VoiceOver.

But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, can 
be a good argument to get the new watch.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the 

Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Lois Butterfield]

Yes, I did the same research and found the same answers. I will get the new 
watch just for the VO 2 Max reading. I’ve always been interested in that.


Take care, 
Lois Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
> The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
> It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible 
> cuff,  to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
> The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
> with VoiceOver.
>  
> But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, 
> can be a good argument to get the new watch.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
> so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
> reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
> May
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
> pressure reading. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
> 0777 315 8181
>  
> 
> On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
> without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
> machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life 
> support machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal 
> setting you have to put that cuff around your upper arm.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
> sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
> course, it doesn’t talk!
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
> some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
> rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an 
> all-in-one device!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>  
> 
> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
> It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
> So a slightly earlier chip,
>  
> Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.
>  
> It does sound like a great device
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted no

blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible cuff, 
 to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
with VoiceOver.

But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, can 
be a good argument to get the new watch.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020

Blood pressure, was RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Actually, while I have no idea about the Watch’s capability here, there are 
lots of wrist cuffs out there that while they may not be as accurate as the 
upper arm ones, what I’m told by several medical people, so long as you always 
use the same cuff, you can rely on those numbers so long as you follow best 
practice with any home blood pressure tool, which  is to take it in to your 
doctors office and have them check your blood pressure with their cuff and then 
with yours to see how close it is or is not.
Then you know, if your cuff is 20 points higher than the doctors, if you use 
that as your baseline, you can go from there.

I would never personally rely on a wrist cuff, but I’m also not a doctor.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features