Re: Moderator Note -was- Re: Taking a walk? Don't leave home without this!

2014-01-27 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hello. I'd like to echo what Cara has so elegantly stated below. Also, I 
have given the members of Fedora Outlier permission to post on list 
regarding the apps in question. To be blunt, if it's something you don't 
like or agree with, either delete it, or write them privately.


Again, if it's something which you feel has crossed the list policy 
line, please please write me and/or Cara privately, forward the message, 
ETC. We will deal with it, or tell you it's approved, or tell you it's 
not. In either case, it helps keep list traffic down.


Thanks much.,

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On 1/27/2014 1:48 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:

Hi all,

Apologies for the delay in this posting.

OMG! I cannot believe the bandwidth generated from this completely
innocent, well-meaning and helpful original topic.

Before I get started here, let me just establish that not only should
this thread be closed now but if you feel you really need to snipe back
at me for this post, either do it off-list or you will not be allowed to
post here again, no questions asked.

I welcome your comments off the list (agree or disagree) but not on the
list. So remember, when you click send, if you simply want to spout off
against me, the list or its policies, make sure it is a private note to
me or Raul.

Okay, now that that is out of the way, for those who are comparing this
to some kind of 'high-powered' sales pitch? Respectfully, you seem not
to have experienced a true high-powered pitch.

This thread was nothing of the sort and the incredible amount of
unnecessary and negative traffic this has generated is simply over the
top and not welcome here.

I love this community but for God's sake, it never ceases to amaze me
the kinds of things people will look for to complain about and the
vehemence with which the complaints are put forth.

I'm simply saying 'enough!' Move on and leave this.

the original poster and blog were trying to offer something constructive
and useful and instead of responses in that spirit, much of what has
made up this thread is just negative noise.

My personal apologies go out to everyone behind the blog where this
article is hosted as well as to the people who have supported the
poster's right to post here.

This type of thing is perfectly legit on this list.

If anyone has any questions or issues in future, where they find
themselves concerned whether or not a message may or may not be spam;

1 Consider writing us, the list moderators. (myself and Raul)

2 Consider writing the poster themselves if you know that they are a
legitimate list participant. Otherwise see number 1 above.

3 Ignore the message and move on. Simple as that.

None of the above options includes taking it upon yourself to
righteously call the poster(s) out and essentially publicly chastise them.

I hope this makes this crystal clear so we do not run into this on-list
again. If you have concerns with list policies, they should be taken up
with me or Raul.

Now, know that we both do have lives so do not expect your concerns to
get answers or responses right away. -And, for the record, if you just
want to yell through your keyboard or try to call me out, then guess
what, while I absolutely will read what you have to say, don't expect a
response. I will spend my time positively working with people here who
want to carry on intelligent and constructive conversations, who have
points they'd like to make which are honestly important to them and
which impact their lives as they use this list on a day-to-day basis.
Those are the folks I have time for.

If you feel that I've not gotten back with you when I should have then
please please please understand that I do get a lot of email and notes
do get lost from time to time. So by all means write me more than once
if need be.

I simply want what is best for this list and every person on it. So
please have patience and know that I will do my very best to make this
experience a good one for you all. :)

Thanks for reading and remember, please respond to this to me privately
if you feel you would like to. :)

Thanks and have a great night and wonderful week!

Smiles,

Cara :)


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Moderator Note -was- Re: Taking a walk? Don't leave home without this!

2014-01-26 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi all,

Apologies for the delay in this posting.

OMG! I cannot believe the bandwidth generated from this completely innocent, 
well-meaning and helpful original topic.

Before I get started here, let me just establish that not only should this 
thread be closed now but if you feel you really need to snipe back at me for 
this post, either do it off-list or you will not be allowed to post here again, 
no questions asked.

I welcome your comments off the list (agree or disagree) but not on the list. 
So remember, when you click send, if you simply want to spout off against me, 
the list or its policies, make sure it is a private note to me or Raul.

Okay, now that that is out of the way, for those who are comparing this to some 
kind of 'high-powered' sales pitch? Respectfully, you seem not to have 
experienced a true high-powered pitch.

This thread was nothing of the sort and the incredible amount of unnecessary 
and negative traffic this has generated is simply over the top and not welcome 
here.

I love this community but for God's sake, it never ceases to amaze me the kinds 
of things people will look for to complain about and the vehemence with which 
the complaints are put forth.

I'm simply saying 'enough!' Move on and leave this.

the original poster and blog were trying to offer something constructive and 
useful and instead of responses in that spirit, much of what has made up this 
thread is just negative noise.

My personal apologies go out to everyone behind the blog where this article is 
hosted as well as to the people who have supported the poster's right to post 
here.

This type of thing is perfectly legit on this list.

If anyone has any questions or issues in future, where they find themselves 
concerned whether or not a message may or may not be spam;

1 Consider writing us, the list moderators. (myself and Raul)

2 Consider writing the poster themselves if you know that they are a legitimate 
list participant. Otherwise see number 1 above.

3 Ignore the message and move on. Simple as that.

None of the above options includes taking it upon yourself to righteously call 
the poster(s) out and essentially publicly chastise them.

I hope this makes this crystal clear so we do not run into this on-list again. 
If you have concerns with list policies, they should be taken up with me or 
Raul.

Now, know that we both do have lives so do not expect your concerns to get 
answers or responses right away. -And, for the record, if you just want to yell 
through your keyboard or try to call me out, then guess what, while I 
absolutely will read what you have to say, don't expect a response. I will 
spend my time positively working with people here who want to carry on 
intelligent and constructive conversations, who have points they'd like to make 
which are honestly important to them and which impact their lives as they use 
this list on a day-to-day basis. Those are the folks I have time for.

If you feel that I've not gotten back with you when I should have then please 
please please understand that I do get a lot of email and notes do get lost 
from time to time. So by all means write me more than once if need be.

I simply want what is best for this list and every person on it. So please have 
patience and know that I will do my very best to make this experience a good 
one for you all. :)

Thanks for reading and remember, please respond to this to me privately if you 
feel you would like to. :)

Thanks and have a great night and wonderful week!

Smiles,

Cara :)
On Jan 26, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Marcy Weinberg marcy.weinbe...@gmail.com wrote:




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venture out, check out the app that made it to number 5 on Fedora Outlier's Top 
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Directions to app #5, start here, http://bit.ly/1fo84ka


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