Re: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

[Brian Fischler]

I agree as I had the Apple 3rd Gen and bought the 4th Gen, and consider the 
Apple TV 4th Gen the worst investment I have ever made. I believe with the 
Apple TV 3rd Gen that Apple controlled the Apps and made them VO accessible, 
now with the 4th Gen Apple TV the individual developers control their apps and 
most of them are not accessible. Absolutely pathetic the direction of the 4th 
Gen Apple TV is headed.
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> An interesting suggestion and one Apple of course could well afford. It would 
> be nice if something like this could be brought directly to the attention of 
> Tim Cook, but I am doubtful that posting this via social media or in an email 
> to Apple Accessibility will ever make it up the chain. Of course we have to 
> continue to lobby for our needs and hope that the overall commitment Apple 
> has towards accessibility in time results in a net gain and not a net loss. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> Unfortunately, I can confirm your findings especially with the CBS News app 
> and many, many others.  
> 
> All we can do is provide feedback and make our voices heard on social media 
> and in the App Store.  
> 
> A while ago I suggested to Apple that they develop some kind of an incentive 
> in order to compel developers to make their apps VoiceOver accessible.  For 
> example, if a developer makes its app accessible, then apple would allow it 
> to keep 72% of its revenue instead of 70%. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Ruby
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill
> 
> Hi, is it just me?
> It seems like accessability is going down hill. I am finding more and more 
> apps harder to use with simple voiceover gestures and some apps not 
> accessible at all yet still others you can some what use, but only part of it.
> 
> Look at the abc app for example. You can find some things, but to try and 
> find a show you only hear the number of the item voice over will not read the 
> shows. I sent in feedback, but heard nothing back.
> 
> I find myself just not using my apple tv that much any more. I used to watch 
> a lot of shows that I mis during the week, now I just forget about them.
> 
> So to try and get my interest back in to this device what apps are you all 
> using? I like watching movies, news, weather, mist tv shows and games might 
> be fun. I also would like to have all the local networks such as abc, cbs, 
> fox, nbc and there is more. I know there is the tv app, but my cable provider 
> is on the list of providers, but you can't access the main list of them since 
> mine is not the top few apple shows I'm stuck.
> 
> Maybe it is me?
> 
> Thans for any thoughts.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

[Sieghard Weitzel]

An interesting suggestion and one Apple of course could well afford. It would 
be nice if something like this could be brought directly to the attention of 
Tim Cook, but I am doubtful that posting this via social media or in an email 
to Apple Accessibility will ever make it up the chain. Of course we have to 
continue to lobby for our needs and hope that the overall commitment Apple has 
towards accessibility in time results in a net gain and not a net loss. 

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

Hello Jim,

Unfortunately, I can confirm your findings especially with the CBS News app and 
many, many others.  

All we can do is provide feedback and make our voices heard on social media and 
in the App Store.  

A while ago I suggested to Apple that they develop some kind of an incentive in 
order to compel developers to make their apps VoiceOver accessible.  For 
example, if a developer makes its app accessible, then apple would allow it to 
keep 72% of its revenue instead of 70%. 

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

Hi, is it just me?
It seems like accessability is going down hill. I am finding more and more apps 
harder to use with simple voiceover gestures and some apps not accessible at 
all yet still others you can some what use, but only part of it.

Look at the abc app for example. You can find some things, but to try and find 
a show you only hear the number of the item voice over will not read the shows. 
I sent in feedback, but heard nothing back.

I find myself just not using my apple tv that much any more. I used to watch a 
lot of shows that I mis during the week, now I just forget about them.

So to try and get my interest back in to this device what apps are you all 
using? I like watching movies, news, weather, mist tv shows and games might be 
fun. I also would like to have all the local networks such as abc, cbs, fox, 
nbc and there is more. I know there is the tv app, but my cable provider is on 
the list of providers, but you can't access the main list of them since mine is 
not the top few apple shows I'm stuck.

Maybe it is me?

Thans for any thoughts.





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RE: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jim,

Unfortunately, I can confirm your findings especially with the CBS News app and 
many, many others.  

All we can do is provide feedback and make our voices heard on social media and 
in the App Store.  

A while ago I suggested to Apple that they develop some kind of an incentive in 
order to compel developers to make their apps VoiceOver accessible.  For 
example, if a developer makes its app accessible, then apple would allow it to 
keep 72% of its revenue instead of 70%. 

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

Hi, is it just me?
It seems like accessability is going down hill. I am finding more and more apps 
harder to use with simple voiceover gestures and some apps not accessible at 
all yet still others you can some what use, but only part of it.

Look at the abc app for example. You can find some things, but to try and find 
a show you only hear the number of the item voice over will not read the shows. 
I sent in feedback, but heard nothing back.

I find myself just not using my apple tv that much any more. I used to watch a 
lot of shows that I mis during the week, now I just forget about them.

So to try and get my interest back in to this device what apps are you all 
using? I like watching movies, news, weather, mist tv shows and games might be 
fun. I also would like to have all the local networks such as abc, cbs, fox, 
nbc and there is more. I know there is the tv app, but my cable provider is on 
the list of providers, but you can't access the main list of them since mine is 
not the top few apple shows I'm stuck.

Maybe it is me?

Thans for any thoughts.





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RE: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

[Merv Keck]

Hi,
I was very disappointed with many of the apps I have tried lately. I purchased 
an Apple TV 4 even though my third gen worked fine because I wanted access to 
the thousands of channels instead of the 20 or 30 that were available on the 
third gen. Ok apps as they call them not channels. Anyway, it seems that every 
time I find an app I really want such as Dove which allegedly has hundreds of 
hours of family programming. It is not the least bit accessible. As in nothing 
was labeled to work with voiceover. 
I have become accustomed to not being able to play games since losing my vision 
several years ago and not playing graphically intensive games on a PlayStation 
4 or other console device. But when I try a news app or a network app and it 
simply does not allow any voiceover control at all I get very frustrated.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Ruby
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple tv 4th gen apps accessibility going down hill

Hi, is it just me?
It seems like accessability is going down hill. I am finding more and more apps 
harder to use with simple voiceover gestures and some apps not accessible at 
all yet still others you can some what use, but only part of it.

Look at the abc app for example. You can find some things, but to try and find 
a show you only hear the number of the item voice over will not read the shows. 
I sent in feedback, but heard nothing back.

I find myself just not using my apple tv that much any more. I used to watch a 
lot of shows that I mis during the week, now I just forget about them.

So to try and get my interest back in to this device what apps are you all 
using? I like watching movies, news, weather, mist tv shows and games might be 
fun. I also would like to have all the local networks such as abc, cbs, fox, 
nbc and there is more. I know there is the tv app, but my cable provider is on 
the list of providers, but you can't access the main list of them since mine is 
not the top few apple shows I'm stuck.

Maybe it is me?

Thans for any thoughts.





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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Wayne,

And as far as recording is concerned that is a no. Most content is on demand so 
recording doesn't really enter the equasion.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 12:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen questions

It does, thanks. Do I need to have an antenna to get these channels? I
don't currently have either Cable or broadcast TV.

Wayne

On 4/25/16, Merv Keck <blind5spar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are called apps but they can either be considered channels or apps
> depending on how you look at it. For example currently there are about 900
> available apps for the Apple TV fourth Generation ranging from Netflix and
> Hulu to games and podcast applications, and even a speedtest application, to
> common channel apps such as CVS and freeform formerly ABC Family. Some of
> these channel apps require that you have the same channel on your cable
> subscription such as Disney channels. Others do not. Some will allow you
> limited access to programing if you do not have the corresponding channel on
> your cable subscription but will not allow you to have access to the full
> amount of programing options. ESPN is a good example of that. You get a few
> clips and a lot of annoying ads unless you validate your cable provider on
> the Apple TV. Once that is done you have access to at least 7 channels of
> ESPN plus bonus material free for the price of downloading the channel from
> the app store for free.
> Hope that helps'
> Merv
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:54 PM
> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Apple TV 4th Gen questions
>
> All,
> I am looking at getting the 4th generation Apple TV. I've got a couple of
> questions. First of all, I know that it is not a "tv", but I have heard
> conflicting reports about Apple TV having channels, like some Cable
> channels, where one can watch TV shows. Is this true, or are shows mainly
> watched using apps that one downloads onto the Apple TV?
> Would I need an antenna or Cable subscription in order to watch TV shows?
> The other big thing is can I record shows and watch them later on the Apple
> TV, like one could do with some early services like Tivo?
>
> Sincerely,
> Wayne
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[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

No - everything's done over wifi or Ethernet.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 4/25/16, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> It does, thanks. Do I need to have an antenna to get these channels? I
> don't currently have either Cable or broadcast TV.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 4/25/16, Merv Keck  wrote:
>> They are called apps but they can either be considered channels or apps
>> depending on how you look at it. For example currently there are about
>> 900
>> available apps for the Apple TV fourth Generation ranging from Netflix
>> and
>> Hulu to games and podcast applications, and even a speedtest application,
>> to
>> common channel apps such as CVS and freeform formerly ABC Family. Some of
>> these channel apps require that you have the same channel on your cable
>> subscription such as Disney channels. Others do not. Some will allow you
>> limited access to programing if you do not have the corresponding channel
>> on
>> your cable subscription but will not allow you to have access to the full
>> amount of programing options. ESPN is a good example of that. You get a
>> few
>> clips and a lot of annoying ads unless you validate your cable provider
>> on
>> the Apple TV. Once that is done you have access to at least 7 channels of
>> ESPN plus bonus material free for the price of downloading the channel
>> from
>> the app store for free.
>> Hope that helps'
>> Merv
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:54 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Apple TV 4th Gen questions
>>
>> All,
>> I am looking at getting the 4th generation Apple TV. I've got a couple of
>> questions. First of all, I know that it is not a "tv", but I have heard
>> conflicting reports about Apple TV having channels, like some Cable
>> channels, where one can watch TV shows. Is this true, or are shows mainly
>> watched using apps that one downloads onto the Apple TV?
>> Would I need an antenna or Cable subscription in order to watch TV shows?
>> The other big thing is can I record shows and watch them later on the
>> Apple
>> TV, like one could do with some early services like Tivo?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Wayne
>>
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen questions

[Wayne Merritt]

It does, thanks. Do I need to have an antenna to get these channels? I
don't currently have either Cable or broadcast TV.

Wayne

On 4/25/16, Merv Keck  wrote:
> They are called apps but they can either be considered channels or apps
> depending on how you look at it. For example currently there are about 900
> available apps for the Apple TV fourth Generation ranging from Netflix and
> Hulu to games and podcast applications, and even a speedtest application, to
> common channel apps such as CVS and freeform formerly ABC Family. Some of
> these channel apps require that you have the same channel on your cable
> subscription such as Disney channels. Others do not. Some will allow you
> limited access to programing if you do not have the corresponding channel on
> your cable subscription but will not allow you to have access to the full
> amount of programing options. ESPN is a good example of that. You get a few
> clips and a lot of annoying ads unless you validate your cable provider on
> the Apple TV. Once that is done you have access to at least 7 channels of
> ESPN plus bonus material free for the price of downloading the channel from
> the app store for free.
> Hope that helps'
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> Subject: Apple TV 4th Gen questions
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> All,
> I am looking at getting the 4th generation Apple TV. I've got a couple of
> questions. First of all, I know that it is not a "tv", but I have heard
> conflicting reports about Apple TV having channels, like some Cable
> channels, where one can watch TV shows. Is this true, or are shows mainly
> watched using apps that one downloads onto the Apple TV?
> Would I need an antenna or Cable subscription in order to watch TV shows?
> The other big thing is can I record shows and watch them later on the Apple
> TV, like one could do with some early services like Tivo?
>
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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen questions

[Merv Keck]

They are called apps but they can either be considered channels or apps 
depending on how you look at it. For example currently there are about 900 
available apps for the Apple TV fourth Generation ranging from Netflix and Hulu 
to games and podcast applications, and even a speedtest application, to common 
channel apps such as CVS and freeform formerly ABC Family. Some of these 
channel apps require that you have the same channel on your cable subscription 
such as Disney channels. Others do not. Some will allow you limited access to 
programing if you do not have the corresponding channel on your cable 
subscription but will not allow you to have access to the full amount of 
programing options. ESPN is a good example of that. You get a few clips and a 
lot of annoying ads unless you validate your cable provider on the Apple TV. 
Once that is done you have access to at least 7 channels of ESPN plus bonus 
material free for the price of downloading the channel from the app store for 
free.
Hope that helps'
Merv


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All,
I am looking at getting the 4th generation Apple TV. I've got a couple of 
questions. First of all, I know that it is not a "tv", but I have heard 
conflicting reports about Apple TV having channels, like some Cable channels, 
where one can watch TV shows. Is this true, or are shows mainly watched using 
apps that one downloads onto the Apple TV?
Would I need an antenna or Cable subscription in order to watch TV shows? The 
other big thing is can I record shows and watch them later on the Apple TV, 
like one could do with some early services like Tivo?

Sincerely,
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[christopher hallsworth]

`Third generation yes, providing you accept the limitations all but gone in the 
fourth generation which has received mixed reviews but believe it will get 
better over time.
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Kerri G]

I love mine save for the fat that our CBC news is limited. For example, I 
cannot obtain local news coverage with it as I can on CBC news on the iPad.
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> On Dec 16, 2015, at 3:14 AM, MamaPeach  wrote:
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> I don't regret buying mine. I love it and can't wait to see what else will be 
> available in the app store.
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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Jim Ruby]

Yes, at least I like mine. There is some little problems in some apps, but they 
are getting fixed as time goes on.


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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[MamaPeach]

I don't regret buying mine. I love it and can't wait to see what else will 
be available in the app store.


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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Tom Rash]

Same here.   

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I don't regret buying mine. I love it and can't wait to see what else will
be available in the app store.

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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Larry Lumpkin]

It has gotten mixed reviews here but I think it is well worth buying even 
though we know it has some growing to do.  We're going to buy it--hopefully for 
Christmas.


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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Ann Smith]

I have a four week old Apple TV fourth generation. It is very much worth money. 
If you don't do a lot of gaming, blue 32 GB is your best bet that's what I have.
I can't give the Mac Mall I know if I praises about their customer service and 
how quickly they do shipping and handling. I wore this device on November 10, 
and guess what showed up the next day? They ship out of Memphis by the way.
You can order online or order by phone like I did. I'd be glad to give out the 
phone number if you need it. As far as shipping and handling, they only charge 
me $10.59. That's a just about unheard of for overnight shipping.
Unless you're high partial, you will need a very minimum of cited assistance. 
My television is 720 P, and the device is 1080 P. So, you'll need to go into 
the Apple TV settings and calibrate your
TV to your TV's correct number of pixels. It's pretty easy to do. You would 
need site to be able to see the little apple and then you get the OK sign. Hope 
I can help somebody sorry about the typos

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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Daniel Miller]

Hulu is working on the issue. Be patient. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Billy Maynard <biljm...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> hi,
>  
> I just had a question about accessability.  didn't apple create a code enjen 
> or code script or bundle or something that  m makes building accessability in 
> fairly simple?  Could we just point his  out to developers? I remember 
> listening to a podcast from cool blind tek about apple accessability and a 
> script and how easy it was to make something inaccessable accessable.  
>  
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I am not a developer.
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu
> 
> Well, I hope you are right. It is discouraging when companies like Hulu, 
> which of been around and which know about accessibility, because they have 
> been badgered about it, still don't get it right. It just doesn't seem to 
> bode well. But I would like to be wrong, wrong, wrong.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> Yes, apps may have to be made accessible with TVOS now just as they have to 
>> be made accessible with iOS, but just because some developers may not have 
>> done so or maybe have not done so yet because it’s all new to me still means 
>> I love the new apple TV because it can do so much more than the old one. 
>> When everything is said and done there will still be a ton more apps many of 
>> which will be accessible and as the popularity of the Apple TV grows so will 
>> awareness about accessibility.
>> But even now I totally love that when I watch a movie I can simply push the 
>> SIRI button and say “What did he say” or “Rewind 3 minutes”, searching for 
>> movies with SIRI works great and I just think this is only the start.
>> I have already heard how this apple TV is more like a Beta, that it’s 
>> unfinished and surely Apple could have done better given how long it’s been 
>> since they have last updated the Apple TV. I can sort of agree with this,
>>   but playing devil’s advocate or maybe I should say “Apple’s advocate” one 
>> could also argue that while this is the next generation Apple TV it is very 
>> much almost a new device. The hardware is new, the remote is new and the 
>> platform (TVOS) is also totally new. App developers only had a few months to 
>> come up with apps and Apple is still hammering out deals with all the major 
>> networks and content providers for the actual TV offering. I’m certainly 
>> willing to cut them some slack and give them a year or so to see what they 
>> come up with. I guess I choose to see it from the “glass half full” 
>> perspective rather than the “glass half empty” perspective.
>> As for accessibility, all of us individually as well as whatever 
>> organisations represent us as a group will just have to continue to lobby 
>> for accessibility and make developers aware of the fact that their app may 
>> not be accessible. In the case of a subscription based service like Hulu one 
>> can always cancel their subscription aeven if you do so temporarily and make 
>> sure to explain when you call in to cancel that they loose y our business 
>> because of a lack of accessibility.
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu
>> I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model 
>> of access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
>> accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid 
>>  of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be 
>> accessible. Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to 
>> blow us off. Very sad.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu, 
>> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or is 
>> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Billy Maynard]

hi, 

I just had a question about accessability.  didn't apple create a code enjen or 
code script or bundle or something that  m makes building accessability in 
fairly simple?  Could we just point his  out to developers? I remember 
listening to a podcast from cool blind tek about apple accessability and a 
script and how easy it was to make something inaccessable accessable.   

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I am not a developer. 
Billy Maynard
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu


  Well, I hope you are right. It is discouraging when companies like Hulu, 
which of been around and which know about accessibility, because they have been 
badgered about it, still don't get it right. It just doesn't seem to bode well. 
But I would like to be wrong, wrong, wrong.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


Hi Mary,



Yes, apps may have to be made accessible with TVOS now just as they have to 
be made accessible with iOS, but just because some developers may not have done 
so or maybe have not done so yet because it’s all new to me still means I love 
the new apple TV because it can do so much more than the old one. When 
everything is said and done there will still be a ton more apps many of which 
will be accessible and as the popularity of the Apple TV grows so will 
awareness about accessibility.

But even now I totally love that when I watch a movie I can simply push the 
SIRI button and say “What did he say” or “Rewind 3 minutes”, searching for 
movies with SIRI works great and I just think this is only the start.

I have already heard how this apple TV is more like a Beta, that it’s 
unfinished and surely Apple could have done better given how long it’s been 
since they have last updated the Apple TV. I can sort of agree with this, but 
playing devil’s advocate or maybe I should say “Apple’s advocate” one could 
also argue that while this is the next generation Apple TV it is very much 
almost a new device. The hardware is new, the remote is new and the platform 
(TVOS) is also totally new. App developers only had a few months to come up 
with apps and Apple is still hammering out deals with all the major networks 
and content providers for the actual TV offering. I’m certainly willing to cut 
them some slack and give them a year or so to see what they come up with. I 
guess I choose to see it from the “glass half full” perspective rather than the 
“glass half empty” perspective.

As for accessibility, all of us individually as well as whatever 
organisations represent us as a group will just have to continue to lobby for 
accessibility and make developers aware of the fact that their app may not be 
accessible. In the case of a subscription based service like Hulu one can 
always cancel their subscription aeven if you do so temporarily and make sure 
to explain when you call in to cancel that they loose y our business because of 
a lack of accessibility.





Best regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu



I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model 
of access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid  
of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be accessible. 
Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to blow us off. 
Very sad.
Mary


Sent from my iPad


On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net> wrote:

  Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu, 
Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or is it 
a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.




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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Mary Otten]

Well, I hope you are right. It is discouraging when companies like Hulu, which 
of been around and which know about accessibility, because they have been 
badgered about it, still don't get it right. It just doesn't seem to bode well. 
But I would like to be wrong, wrong, wrong.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Yes, apps may have to be made accessible with TVOS now just as they have to 
> be made accessible with iOS, but just because some developers may not have 
> done so or maybe have not done so yet because it’s all new to me still means 
> I love the new apple TV because it can do so much more than the old one. When 
> everything is said and done there will still be a ton more apps many of which 
> will be accessible and as the popularity of the Apple TV grows so will 
> awareness about accessibility.
> But even now I totally love that when I watch a movie I can simply push the 
> SIRI button and say “What did he say” or “Rewind 3 minutes”, searching for 
> movies with SIRI works great and I just think this is only the start.
> I have already heard how this apple TV is more like a Beta, that it’s 
> unfinished and surely Apple could have done better given how long it’s been 
> since they have last updated the Apple TV. I can sort of agree with this, but 
> playing devil’s advocate or maybe I should say “Apple’s advocate” one could 
> also argue that while this is the next generation Apple TV it is very much 
> almost a new device. The hardware is new, the remote is new and the platform 
> (TVOS) is also totally new. App developers only had a few months to come up 
> with apps and Apple is still hammering out deals with all the major networks 
> and content providers for the actual TV offering. I’m certainly willing to 
> cut them some slack and give them a year or so to see what they come up with. 
> I guess I choose to see it from the “glass half full” perspective rather than 
> the “glass half empty” perspective.
> As for accessibility, all of us individually as well as whatever 
> organisations represent us as a group will just have to continue to lobby for 
> accessibility and make developers aware of the fact that their app may not be 
> accessible. In the case of a subscription based service like Hulu one can 
> always cancel their subscription aeven if you do so temporarily and make sure 
> to explain when you call in to cancel that they loose y our business because 
> of a lack of accessibility.
>  
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu
>  
> I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model of 
> access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
> accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid  
> of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be 
> accessible. Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to 
> blow us off. Very sad.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu, 
> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or is 
> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
>  
> 
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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

Do you know if they’re working on audio description, too?

I sent them a note, and they said something like, “It’s very complicated.” When 
I replied to that that they may be able to have a button adjacent to the Play 
episode button labeled as Play audio described episode  which would be dimmed 
if an AD episode was not available, or to have a partitioned website from the 
home screen listing audio described content, they replied they’d pass those 
ideas along to the engineers.

Keith
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel Miller
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

Hulu is working on the issue. Be patient.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Billy Maynard 
<biljm...@comcast.net<mailto:biljm...@comcast.net>> wrote:
hi,

I just had a question about accessability.  didn't apple create a code enjen or 
code script or bundle or something that  m makes building accessability in 
fairly simple?  Could we just point his  out to developers? I remember 
listening to a podcast from cool blind tek about apple accessability and a 
script and how easy it was to make something inaccessable accessable.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I am not a developer.
Billy Maynard
- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

Well, I hope you are right. It is discouraging when companies like Hulu, which 
of been around and which know about accessibility, because they have been 
badgered about it, still don't get it right. It just doesn't seem to bode well. 
But I would like to be wrong, wrong, wrong.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Mary,
Yes, apps may have to be made accessible with TVOS now just as they have to be 
made accessible with iOS, but just because some developers may not have done so 
or maybe have not done so yet because it’s all new to me still means I love the 
new apple TV because it can do so much more than the old one. When everything 
is said and done there will still be a ton more apps many of which will be 
accessible and as the popularity of the Apple TV grows so will awareness about 
accessibility.
But even now I totally love that when I watch a movie I can simply push the 
SIRI button and say “What did he say” or “Rewind 3 minutes”, searching for 
movies with SIRI works great and I just think this is only the start.
I have already heard how this apple TV is more like a Beta, that it’s 
unfinished and surely Apple could have done better given how long it’s been 
since they have last updated the Apple TV. I can sort of agree with this, but 
playing devil’s advocate or maybe I should say “Apple’s advocate” one could 
also argue that while this is the next generation Apple TV it is very much 
almost a new device. The hardware is new, the remote is new and the platform 
(TVOS) is also totally new. App developers only had a few months to come up 
with apps and Apple is still hammering out deals with all the major networks 
and content providers for the actual TV offering. I’m certainly willing to cut 
them some slack and give them a year or so to see what they come up with. I 
guess I choose to see it from the “glass half full” perspective rather than the 
“glass half empty” perspective.
As for accessibility, all of us individually as well as whatever organisations 
represent us as a group will just have to continue to lobby for accessibility 
and make developers aware of the fact that their app may not be accessible. In 
the case of a subscription based service like Hulu one can always cancel their 
subscription aeven if you do so temporarily and make sure to explain when you 
call in to cancel that they loose y our business because of a lack of 
accessibility.
Best regards,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu
I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model of 
access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid  
of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be accessible. 
Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to blow us off. 
Very sad.
Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash 
<dadinthed...@verizon.net<mailto:dadinthed...@verizon.net>> wrote:
Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Mary Otten]

I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model of 
access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid  
of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be accessible. 
Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to blow us off. 
Very sad.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu, 
> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or is 
> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
> 
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[MamaPeach]

It is not working on my Apple TV 4th gen either.

-Original Message- 
From: Ann Smith

Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

Good morning, I've had nothing but trouble with Hulu plus since 2013. Which 
is really unfortunate, because I am like two or three seasons behind on my 
law and order SV you frown


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On Nov 16, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:

Hi,

It's Hulu unfortunately.

Cheers,
Ben.


On 11/16/15, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net> wrote:
Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu,
Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or
is
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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Tom Rash]

Hulu with Voice Over always worked fine with Apple TV 3.  Hopefully they'll
get it together soon, or I'll discontinue the Hulu service

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ann Smith
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 6:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

Good morning, I've had nothing but trouble with Hulu plus since 2013. Which
is really unfortunate, because I am like two or three seasons behind on my
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> On Nov 16, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> It's Hulu unfortunately.
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>> On 11/16/15, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into 
>> Hulu, Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are 
>> experiencing?  Or is
>> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi,

It's Hulu unfortunately.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 11/16/15, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu,
> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or
> is
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Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Ann Smith]

Good morning, I've had nothing but trouble with Hulu plus since 2013. Which is 
really unfortunate, because I am like two or three seasons behind on my law and 
order SV you frown

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> On Nov 16, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
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> 
> It's Hulu unfortunately.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 11/16/15, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu,
>> Voice over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or
>> is
>> it a Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.
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RE: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

 

Yes, apps may have to be made accessible with TVOS now just as they have to be 
made accessible with iOS, but just because some developers may not have done so 
or maybe have not done so yet because it’s all new to me still means I love the 
new apple TV because it can do so much more than the old one. When everything 
is said and done there will still be a ton more apps many of which will be 
accessible and as the popularity of the Apple TV grows so will awareness about 
accessibility.

But even now I totally love that when I watch a movie I can simply push the 
SIRI button and say “What did he say” or “Rewind 3 minutes”, searching for 
movies with SIRI works great and I just think this is only the start.

I have already heard how this apple TV is more like a Beta, that it’s 
unfinished and surely Apple could have done better given how long it’s been 
since they have last updated the Apple TV. I can sort of agree with this, but 
playing devil’s advocate or maybe I should say “Apple’s advocate” one could 
also argue that while this is the next generation Apple TV it is very much 
almost a new device. The hardware is new, the remote is new and the platform 
(TVOS) is also totally new. App developers only had a few months to come up 
with apps and Apple is still hammering out deals with all the major networks 
and content providers for the actual TV offering. I’m certainly willing to cut 
them some slack and give them a year or so to see what they come up with. I 
guess I choose to see it from the “glass half full” perspective rather than the 
“glass half empty” perspective.

As for accessibility, all of us individually as well as whatever organisations 
represent us as a group will just have to continue to lobby for accessibility 
and make developers aware of the fact that their app may not be accessible. In 
the case of a subscription based service like Hulu one can always cancel their 
subscription aeven if you do so temporarily and make sure to explain when you 
call in to cancel that they loose y our business because of a lack of 
accessibility.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen, no voice over in Hulu

 

I wonder if this is going to be an ever-growing problem with the new model of 
access in Apple TV four. With the older version, you had built in 
accessibility, because the basic framework was accessible. You had this grid  
of channels. And you could navigate that because it was going to be accessible. 
Now with these separate apps, companies are once again free to blow us off. 
Very sad.
Mary


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On Nov 16, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Tom Rash <dadinthed...@verizon.net 
<mailto:dadinthed...@verizon.net> > wrote:

Got the Apple TV 4th Gen.  Works great.  How ever, when going into Hulu, Voice 
over does not work.  Is this a probelm others are experiencing?  Or is it a 
Hulu update problem? or Apple?Thanks.

 

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