Re: Best way to enter password question

[Garth Humphreys]

On secure passwords, remember that given at least some complexity, the most 
important thing is length.

For example, if you have a short mix of Caps, non caps, numbers and symbols and 
then pad out the password with a heap of another character you can make an 
extremely secure password that is relatively easy to type in. 

Check out the password haystacks episode of Security Now on the TWiT network.  


Garth 

www.iblindtech.com
Follow me on twitter @BlindTechMusing 


On 19/07/2012, at 7:38 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> I agree that you don't want to use words per say, but it is perfectly 
> acceptable to construct a word or sentence with the aforementioned caveats. I 
> think the critical thing is to:
> 1. Make the password random in the sense that you use words or phrases you 
> know, but inserting special characters and numbers.
> 2. Randomly capitalize letters in the password.
> 3. Never ever, ever, ever, ever, use the same password for any service.
> Everything you have read here is right provided you use some common sense. 
> Yes you could come up with an incredibly long string of characters that has 
> no meaning and meets all the criteria presented here. The problem is most 
> people cannot remember 20 to 30 random characters and 20 to 30 characters 
> that meet the criteria we have been discussing is one hell of a password. 
> This is where programs like 1Password come into play and really shine because 
> you can remember a single master password (complex enough) and let 1Password 
> enter the passwordd for you. In fact key logging programs cannot capture 
> passwords entered this way since you are not actually typing them. :)
> THere is a really great podcast called the NOSILLA podcast which you can find 
> in iTunes or your favorite podcacher. You can get more info at 
> http://www.podfeet.com. Allison is a great person, supports the "blind" 
> community, and has some really good folks on her podcast such as Bart who in 
> the most recent episode discussed passwords.
> 
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
>> not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
>> dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
>> it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
>> always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
>> just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
>> at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
>> other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
>> somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
>> sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
>> case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
>> slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
>> sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
>> characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
>> passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
>> believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question
>> 
>> Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
>> password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
>> remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
>> something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
>> In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
>> distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
>> building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
>> Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
>> numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
>> born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
>> make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
>> them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
>> service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
>> Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following

Re: Best way to enter password question

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi. You are certainly correct that using actual words and passwords is not 
recommended. In the example that I wrote, it was just a loose example of how it 
can be done. As others have suggested, you can interchange letters with numbers 
of your own patterns whether they are ASCII values or Braille patterns. in 
fact, what I do is usually change the letter E with 3, the letter L with 7, and 
the letter S with 5 because these letters closely resemble looking like these 
numbers in print. Since I have been cited before, I still think of letters as 
print letters. Furthermore, I changed the letter A with the @ sign. So as an 
added example to my prior message, my password for eBay might be B7u3.EB@y.47. 
As you can see, this makes it so the password does not have an actual word in 
it because I substituted several letters with numbers or symbols. Furthermore 
it still contains a capital letter a symbol and a number. The combinations and 
patterns are literally endless. As long as you know what your own personal 
pattern and style is, you can easily have different passwords for different 
services.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Sent from my brain
http://www.raulgallegos.com
Twitter: @rau47

On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
> not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
> dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
> it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
> always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
> just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
> at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
> other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
> somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
> sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
> case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
> slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
> sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
> characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
> passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
> believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question
> 
> Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
> password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
> remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
> something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
> In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
> distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
> building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
> Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
> numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
> born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
> make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
> them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
> service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
> Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.
> 
> Blue.Apple.47
> Blue.Paypal.47
> Blue.Gmail.47
> Blue.Amazon.47
> Blue.WellsFargo.47
> 
> As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
> Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
> passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.
> 
> Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
> password for multiple services.
> 
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
> about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
>> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
>> mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
>> sentence and change letters to numbers such a

Re: Best way to enter password question

[Scott Howell]

I agree that you don't want to use words per say, but it is perfectly 
acceptable to construct a word or sentence with the aforementioned caveats. I 
think the critical thing is to:
1. Make the password random in the sense that you use words or phrases you 
know, but inserting special characters and numbers.
2. Randomly capitalize letters in the password.
3. Never ever, ever, ever, ever, use the same password for any service.
Everything you have read here is right provided you use some common sense. Yes 
you could come up with an incredibly long string of characters that has no 
meaning and meets all the criteria presented here. The problem is most people 
cannot remember 20 to 30 random characters and 20 to 30 characters that meet 
the criteria we have been discussing is one hell of a password. This is where 
programs like 1Password come into play and really shine because you can 
remember a single master password (complex enough) and let 1Password enter the 
passwordd for you. In fact key logging programs cannot capture passwords 
entered this way since you are not actually typing them. :)
THere is a really great podcast called the NOSILLA podcast which you can find 
in iTunes or your favorite podcacher. You can get more info at 
http://www.podfeet.com. Allison is a great person, supports the "blind" 
community, and has some really good folks on her podcast such as Bart who in 
the most recent episode discussed passwords.

On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
> not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
> dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
> it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
> always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
> just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
> at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
> other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
> somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
> sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
> case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
> slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
> sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
> characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
> passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
> believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question
> 
> Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
> password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
> remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
> something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
> In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
> distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
> building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
> Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
> numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
> born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
> make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
> them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
> service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
> Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.
> 
> Blue.Apple.47
> Blue.Paypal.47
> Blue.Gmail.47
> Blue.Amazon.47
> Blue.WellsFargo.47
> 
> As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
> Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
> passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.
> 
> Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
> password for multiple services.
> 
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
> about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47
> 
> 
> On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> The best password

Re: Best way to enter password question

[Rob Harris]

Like someone said, if you forget how you formatted this, you're in it pretty 
deep.   If you sing the first or last line of your favourite song using the 
initials of each word, you get a strong ish password, use 2 as two and 4 as 
four and other possibilities;  but for the most part, you just type along 
with the song and it comes out right without trying to remember the 
technicalities.

True, braillists could have a lot of fun if they define some keys to act as 
the braille input keys, then type a word or phrase in grade2 braille.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jon Pierson" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: Best way to enter password question


Hi,
For people who avoid words in their passwords, either using the numerical
values of letters, e.g. 23 for w, 24 4 x etc. or using braille as in: 124
for f and so on and mixing these two together results in very strong
passwords.

You could for example, write apple as follows 1p161235 where 1 isA , 16 is
p, the second p is plain, 123 is the l in braille & 5 is the numerical value
of the E.
Once you get a pattern set the combinations are endless and you can always
throw in contractions too.

Jon


Jon


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best way to enter password question

And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color.
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.

Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.

Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
password for multiple services.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point),
> etc., mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take
> an entire sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5
> etc. Use your imagination, but do not make the password so damned
> complicated that you cannot remember it. I hav

Re: Best way to enter password question

[Rob Harris]

I think my favourite so far is to take a popular line, could be your 
favourite hymn,  but you'll see it's not in my case:-

InDaysOfOldWhenKnightswereBoldAndWomenWeren'tInvented.

Just the capitalised initials.
RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question


Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy
to remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color.
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can
start building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start
with Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add
some numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year
you were born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same
procedure, you can make 5 different passwords for 5 different services
and yet you can remember them all by using the same pattern of favorite
color, the name of the service, and your reverse birth year. So, my
password for Apple, Paypal,, Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the
following.

Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely
different. Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are
not my real passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.

Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
password for multiple services.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really
talking about peace. - George Bush
Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
> mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
> sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
> imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
> cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating.
> :) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using
> programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does
> make things easier.
>
> hth,
> Scott
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro"  <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>> No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an
>> apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the
>> best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed
>> the suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>> Windows Live ID:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
>> e-mail:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
>> Skype ID:
>> mikeameli
>> John F. Kennedy
>> "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for
>> your country"
>>
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Re: Best way to enter password question

[Rob Harris]

I approve of your password logic.  I've followed patterns for years, but 
like ou say, if you use a phrase or something you're very familiar with, 
you can hold an 18 character password without any trouble.  13 is my longest 
so far, but not used the logic you suggested yet. I used to like playing 
with numbers though, like this - I814t2 - and other silly phrases.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:02 AM
Subject: RE: Best way to enter password question


And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color.
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.

Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.

Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
password for multiple services.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
> mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
> sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
> imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
> cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating.
> :) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using
> programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does
> make things easier.
>
> hth,
> Scott
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro"  <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>> No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an
>> apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the
>> best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed
>> the suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>> Windows Live ID:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
>> e-mail:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
&g

RE: Best way to enter password question

[Jon Pierson]

Hi,
For people who avoid words in their passwords, either using the numerical
values of letters, e.g. 23 for w, 24 4 x etc. or using braille as in: 124
for f and so on and mixing these two together results in very strong
passwords.

You could for example, write apple as follows 1p161235 where 1 isA , 16 is
p, the second p is plain, 123 is the l in braille & 5 is the numerical value
of the E.
Once you get a pattern set the combinations are endless and you can always
throw in contractions too.

Jon


Jon
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Best way to enter password question

And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.

Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.

Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
password for multiple services.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes 
> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), 
> etc., mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take 
> an entire sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 
> etc. Use your imagination, but do not make the password so damned 
> complicated that you cannot remember it. I have done this and it is
incredibly frustrating.
> :) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using 
> programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords 
> does make things easier.
>
> hth,
> Scott
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro"  <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>> No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create 
>> an apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is 
>> the best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have 
>> followed the suggestions given below the password sta

RE: Best way to enter password question

[Jon Pierson]

Hi,
I know that among some of the requirements are: a lower case letter, an
upper case letter, numbers and there are a few rules about digits or letters
in a specificorder.
When  the password you suggest is rejected, there should be a blurb about it
on the page although you may have to arrow around to find it.

Jon
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Howell
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc., mix
of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating. :)
There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using programs
such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does make things
easier.

hth,
Scott

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro" 
wrote:


Hello Listers,
No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create
an apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the best
way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed the
suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
Skype ID:
mikeameli
John F. Kennedy
"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for
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Re: Best way to enter password question

[Michael Amaro]

thanks for the suggestion

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From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:04 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same 
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to 
remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use 
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some 
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can 
start building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start 
with Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add 
some numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you 
were born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, 
you can make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you 
can remember them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the 
name of the service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for 
Apple, Paypal,, Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.


Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely 
different. Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not 
my real passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.


Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same 
password for multiple services.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking 
about peace. - George Bush

Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating.
:) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using
programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does
make things easier.

hth,
Scott

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro" mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Hello Listers,
No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an
apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the
best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed
the suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
Skype ID:
mikeameli
John F. Kennedy
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RE: Best way to enter password question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And just to throw in my 5 Cents worth of password whisdom, it is actually
not recommended that you use actual words like you would find in a
dictionary even if you do throw a couple numbers and an underscore in. Sure,
it is better than using RedBlueGreen as a password, but even better and I
always get the "strong password" indicator where that is indicated is to use
just upper and lower case letters along with some numbers in between and/or
at the end and punctuation. Of course some websites don't allow characters
other than letters and numbers, but when they do I use it. As I told
somebody before, I remember these seemingly random passwords by making up a
sentence, I use the first letters of each word with proper upper and lower
case and add in some numbers and characters. Yes, it does make for a bit
slower typing, but where it counts like on banking, credit card and shopping
sites including iTunes my passwords are at least 10 and sometimes up to 18
characters long. I do use Roboform, but for the most part I know my
passwords since I do follow a pattern except it's really something that I
believe nobody would have a chance at guessing.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best way to enter password question

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy to
remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can start
building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start with
Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add some
numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year you were
born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same procedure, you can
make 5 different passwords for 5 different services and yet you can remember
them all by using the same pattern of favorite color, the name of the
service, and your reverse birth year. So, my password for Apple, Paypal,,
Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the following.

Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely different.
Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are not my real
passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.

Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same
password for multiple services.

--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
about peace. - George Bush Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
> punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
> mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
> sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
> imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
> cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating.
> :) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using
> programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does
> make things easier.
>
> hth,
> Scott
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro"  <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>> No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an
>> apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the
>> best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed
>> the suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>> Windows Live ID:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
>> e-mail:
>> mikeam...@earthlink.net <mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>
>> Skype ID:
>> mikeameli
>> John F. Kennedy
>> "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for
>> your country"
>>
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Re: Best way to enter password question

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, in addition to Scott's excellent post below, you can use the same 
password type pattern for all your passwords. This makes them all easy 
to remember, while making each one different. For example, you can use 
something common, like your favorite ice cream flavor or favorite color. 
In the example of favorite color, let's use blue. So, to add some 
distinction, I use Blue with a capital B. Now, since it's Apple, I can 
start building my password by separating it with periods. So I can start 
with Blue.Apple. Note the capital b in blue and a in apple. Now, to add 
some numbers for that last bit of security. Maybe you can do the year 
you were born in but in reverse order. So, if you follow this same 
procedure, you can make 5 different passwords for 5 different services 
and yet you can remember them all by using the same pattern of favorite 
color, the name of the service, and your reverse birth year. So, my 
password for Apple, Paypal,, Gmail, Amazon, and my bank would be the 
following.


Blue.Apple.47
Blue.Paypal.47
Blue.Gmail.47
Blue.Amazon.47
Blue.WellsFargo.47

As you can see, all have the same pattern, yet all are completely 
different. Of course, this is just a simple example, and no, these are 
not my real passwords, but it may get you started in the right direction.


Take it from a former Unix sysadmin, you never ever want to use the same 
password for multiple services.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really 
talking about peace. - George Bush

Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47


On 7/18/2012 7:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes
punctuation such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc.,
mix of upper and lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire
sentence and change letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your
imagination, but do not make the password so damned complicated that you
cannot remember it. I have done this and it is incredibly frustrating.
:) There is a balance between complex and to complex. Of course using
programs such as 1Password or Last Pass and storing your passwords does
make things easier.

hth,
Scott

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro" mailto:mikeam...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Hello Listers,
No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an
apple iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the
best way to enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed
the suggestions given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net 
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net 
Skype ID:
mikeameli
John F. Kennedy
"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for
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Re: Best way to enter password question

[Michael Amaro]

thanks


From: Joseph Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Best way to enter password question


Hi,

Try using one or more of the following strings:

* One or more capital letters in the middle of the password e.g. passPhrase.

* One or more nunbers somewhere in the password string e.g. testPass123 or 
mac2Phone12.

* Some kind of a punctuation (mostly underscores (_)) e.g. pass_Phone, 
my_iP1214.

In either of these cases, try to make it so that you can find meanings in the 
password that no-one can guess except you. I'd suggest putting a capital letter 
in the middle and a bunch of numbers at the end, like myiP1214, myTESTword4me, 
etc. Using a punctuation in the middle of the password increases the security 
level of the password.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Amaro
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Best way to enter password question

 

Hello Listers,

No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an apple iD 
it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the best way to enter 
the password so that it is strong?  I have followed the suggestions given below 
the password status.  Any Ideas?

Thanks
Michael
Windows Live ID:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
e-mail:
mikeam...@earthlink.net
Skype ID:
mikeameli
John F. Kennedy
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Re: Best way to enter password question

[Scott Howell]

The best passwords are at least 12 if not 15 characters, includes punctuation 
such as / (slash), . (period), ! (exclamation point), etc., mix of upper and 
lower case letters, and numbers. You can take an entire sentence and change 
letters to numbers such as an e to a 5 etc. Use your imagination, but do not 
make the password so damned complicated that you cannot remember it. I have 
done this and it is incredibly frustrating. :) There is a balance between 
complex and to complex. Of course using programs such as 1Password or Last Pass 
and storing your passwords does make things easier.

hth,
Scott

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "Michael Amaro"  wrote:

> Hello Listers,
> No matter what I do while entering a password when trying to create an apple 
> iD it always says that  the strength is moderate.  What is the best way to 
> enter the password so that it is strong?  I have followed the suggestions 
> given below the password status.  Any Ideas?
> Thanks
> Michael
> Windows Live ID:
> mikeam...@earthlink.net
> e-mail:
> mikeam...@earthlink.net
> Skype ID:
> mikeameli
> John F. Kennedy
> "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your 
> country"
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