RE: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display FingerprintTechnology
Out of curiosity how does Face ID work with persons who have prostetics instead of living eyes? character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you! *** From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display FingerprintTechnology Hi Mark, Interesting and I wouldn't be surprised at all that if an under the display fingerprint sensor is developed which works truly well and fast that it would be Apple who will release it. The question is whether Apple sees the need for it given their fantastic Face Id feature which is in its second generation apparently very fast, much safer than fingerprint and more reliable. Of course if one day we had an iPhone with a very reliable and fast under the display fingerprint sensor as well as Face Id so that you could choose whichever method you want or even use both interchangeably than that would be awesome. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 6:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display Fingerprint Technology Hello Everyone, This post consist of three parts: In the first part, I re-post my comments, posted on Saturday, September 1, 2018, regarding this year's iPhone releases. In the second part, I post an article from The Verge, in which a writer describes his first experience using an in-display fingerprint sensor. Finally, in the third part, I post an article that describes how in-display fingerprint sensor technology works. So, read on, and enjoy. Part 1: >From Mark, Posted, September 1, 2018, sent to Mac Visionaries: ". Okay, as for the upcoming iOS devices? I think that many companies will be adopting under-the-screen fingerprint reading technology. If Apple adds this feature to this year's phones, I'll be delighted and will probably buy one. However, if, as I strongly suspect, they do not include the new finger print technology and completely remove Touch ID from the new devices, then I'll stay pat with my 8 Plus as I really do love this phone. I strongly suspect that the 8 series will continue to be sold for those who are not ready/willing to abandon Touch ID. Perhaps, next year, then, the new finger print reading technology will be ready for Apple primetime. Just my opinion, of course. Mark" Part 2: I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor, The Verge I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor By Vlad Savov After an entire year of speculation about whether Apple or Samsung might integrate the fingerprint sensor under the display of their flagship phones, it is actually China's Vivo that has gotten there first. At CES 2018, I got to grips with the first smartphone to have this futuristic tech built in, and I was left a little bewildered by the experience. The mechanics of setting up your fingerprint on the phone and then using it to unlock the device and do things like authenticate payments are the same as with a traditional fingerprint sensor. The only difference I experienced was that the Vivo handset was slower - both to learn the contours of my fingerprint and to unlock once I put my thumb on the on-screen fingerprint prompt - but not so much as to be problematic. Basically, every other fingerprint sensor these days is ridiculously fast and accurate, so with this being newer tech, its slight lag feels more palpable. The biggest unfulfilled promise of 2017 is becoming a reality in 2018 Vivo is using a newly announced Synaptics optical sensor, which has been in development for years. It works by peering through the gaps between the pixels in an OLED display (LCDs wouldn't work because of their need for a backlight) and scanning your uniquely patterned epidermis. This is likely the tech that Synaptics and Samsung were collaborating on for the Galaxy S8 for last year, right up until it became apparent that it wouldn't be ready in time for the phone's release. Things are different now, as Vivo is close to announcing this as-yet-unnamed phone properly and Synaptics is already in mass production with the so-called Clear ID sensor. The uncanny thing for me with this phone is how obvious and immediately intuitive the in-display fingerprint system is. This 6-inch phone has the minimal bezels of something like the OnePlus 5T, but it also happens to unlock when I put my finger at the bottom of its screen. The technological aspect is just totally invisible and, if you're not paying attention to how challenging this is technically, it feels almost pedestrian and unimpressive. Like, of course, that's how it always should have been. Original Article at: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea
Re: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display FingerprintTechnology
you have to turn off that attention feature, or maybe when using voice over it's auto turned off I forget. On 9/15/18, Robert Wright wrote: > Out of curiosity how does Face ID work with persons who have prostetics > instead of living eyes? > > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for > you! *** > > From: Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:11 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display > FingerprintTechnology > > Hi Mark, > > Interesting and I wouldn't be surprised at all that if an under the display > fingerprint sensor is developed which works truly well and fast that it > would be Apple who will release it. > The question is whether Apple sees the need for it given their fantastic > Face Id feature which is in its second generation apparently very fast, much > safer than fingerprint and more reliable. > Of course if one day we had an iPhone with a very reliable and fast under > the display fingerprint sensor as well as Face Id so that you could choose > whichever method you want or even use both interchangeably than that would > be awesome. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 6:05 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display Fingerprint > Technology > > Hello Everyone, > > This post consist of three parts: > > In the first part, I re-post my comments, posted on Saturday, September 1, > 2018, regarding this year's iPhone releases. > > In the second part, I post an article from The Verge, in which a writer > describes his first experience using an in-display fingerprint sensor. > > Finally, in the third part, I post an article that describes how in-display > fingerprint sensor technology works. > > So, read on, and enjoy. > > Part 1: > From Mark, Posted, September 1, 2018, sent to Mac Visionaries: > > ". Okay, as for the upcoming iOS devices? > > I think that many companies will be adopting under-the-screen fingerprint > reading technology. If Apple adds this feature to this year's phones, I'll > be delighted and will probably buy one. However, if, as I strongly > suspect, > they do not include the new finger print technology and completely remove > Touch ID from the new devices, then I'll stay pat with my 8 Plus as I > really > do love this phone. I strongly suspect that the 8 series will continue to > be sold for those who are not ready/willing to abandon Touch ID. > > Perhaps, next year, then, the new finger print reading technology will be > ready for Apple primetime. > > Just my opinion, of course. > > Mark" > > Part 2: > I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor, The Verge > > I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor > By Vlad Savov > > After an entire year of speculation about whether Apple or Samsung might > integrate the fingerprint sensor under the display of their flagship > phones, > it is actually China's Vivo that has gotten there first. At CES 2018, I got > to grips with the first smartphone to have this futuristic tech built in, > and I was left a little bewildered by the experience. > The mechanics of setting up your fingerprint on the phone and then using it > to unlock the device and do things like authenticate payments are the same > as with a traditional fingerprint sensor. The only difference I experienced > was that the Vivo handset was slower - both to learn the contours of my > fingerprint and to unlock once I put my thumb on the on-screen fingerprint > prompt - but not so much as to be problematic. Basically, every other > fingerprint sensor these days is ridiculously fast and accurate, so with > this being newer tech, its slight lag feels more palpable. > The biggest unfulfilled promise of 2017 is becoming a reality in 2018 > Vivo is using a newly announced Synaptics optical sensor, which has been in > development for years. It works by peering through the gaps between the > pixels in an OLED display (LCDs wouldn't work because of their need for a > backlight) and scanning your uniquely patterned epidermis. This is likely > the tech that Synaptics and Samsung were collaborating on for the Galaxy S8 > for last year, right up until it became apparent that it wouldn't be ready > in time for the phone's release. Things are different now, as Vivo is close > to announcing this as-yet-unnamed phone properly and Synaptics is already > in > mass production with the
RE: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display FingerprintTechnology
Both my eyes are prostetics and I have tried Face Id at an Apple Store and it worked just fine with attention turned on. I don't think it can distinguish between "real" and "fake" eyes as long as you look at it. It uses the face for recognition not the eyes like a retina scan would do. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display FingerprintTechnology you have to turn off that attention feature, or maybe when using voice over it's auto turned off I forget. On 9/15/18, Robert Wright wrote: > Out of curiosity how does Face ID work with persons who have prostetics > instead of living eyes? > > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for > you! *** > > From: Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:11 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display > FingerprintTechnology > > Hi Mark, > > Interesting and I wouldn't be surprised at all that if an under the display > fingerprint sensor is developed which works truly well and fast that it > would be Apple who will release it. > The question is whether Apple sees the need for it given their fantastic > Face Id feature which is in its second generation apparently very fast, much > safer than fingerprint and more reliable. > Of course if one day we had an iPhone with a very reliable and fast under > the display fingerprint sensor as well as Face Id so that you could choose > whichever method you want or even use both interchangeably than that would > be awesome. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 6:05 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Mark's iPhone Prediction, and some Info on In-Display Fingerprint > Technology > > Hello Everyone, > > This post consist of three parts: > > In the first part, I re-post my comments, posted on Saturday, September 1, > 2018, regarding this year's iPhone releases. > > In the second part, I post an article from The Verge, in which a writer > describes his first experience using an in-display fingerprint sensor. > > Finally, in the third part, I post an article that describes how in-display > fingerprint sensor technology works. > > So, read on, and enjoy. > > Part 1: > From Mark, Posted, September 1, 2018, sent to Mac Visionaries: > > ". Okay, as for the upcoming iOS devices? > > I think that many companies will be adopting under-the-screen fingerprint > reading technology. If Apple adds this feature to this year's phones, I'll > be delighted and will probably buy one. However, if, as I strongly > suspect, > they do not include the new finger print technology and completely remove > Touch ID from the new devices, then I'll stay pat with my 8 Plus as I > really > do love this phone. I strongly suspect that the 8 series will continue to > be sold for those who are not ready/willing to abandon Touch ID. > > Perhaps, next year, then, the new finger print reading technology will be > ready for Apple primetime. > > Just my opinion, of course. > > Mark" > > Part 2: > I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor, The Verge > > I tried the first phone with an in-display fingerprint sensor > By Vlad Savov > > After an entire year of speculation about whether Apple or Samsung might > integrate the fingerprint sensor under the display of their flagship > phones, > it is actually China's Vivo that has gotten there first. At CES 2018, I got > to grips with the first smartphone to have this futuristic tech built in, > and I was left a little bewildered by the experience. > The mechanics of setting up your fingerprint on the phone and then using it > to unlock the device and do things like authenticate payments are the same > as with a traditional fingerprint sensor. The only difference I experienced > was that the Vivo handset was slower - both to learn the contours of my > fingerprint and to unlock once I put my thumb on the on-screen fingerprint > prompt - but not so much as to be problematic. Basically, every other > fingerprint sensor these days is ridiculously fast and accurate, so with > this being newer tech, its slight lag feels more palpable. > The biggest unfulfilled promise of 2017 is becoming a reality in 2018 > Vivo is using a newly announced Synaptics optical sensor, which has been in > development for years. It works
