Re: TapTapSee

[Richard]

Yes, it means that the camera was too close to the object.

HTH,
Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "John J. Fioravanti, Jr." 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: TapTapSee


When after taking a picture with TapTapSee, by tapping the camera, the 
prompt says: "Picture Closed" without anything else, does that mean that the 
camera did not get a good picture?

Thanks.

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RE: TapTapSee

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

When after taking a picture with TapTapSee, by tapping the camera, the prompt 
says: "Picture Closed" without anything else, does that mean that the camera 
did not get a good picture?

Thanks. 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Richard Turner]

No, the screen brightness has nothing to do with the back camera.
No color identifier on a smart phone is going to be accurate, because there are 
too many factors that determine the appearance of color.
My wife is a quilter.
The light alone can change the appearance of fabric.
The amount of light will change it.
If you could guarantee the same light source, and exact same distance from the 
object, and had someone sighted there to explain what the real color was 
compared to what the amp says; you might be able to get closer as you learn 
what it says consistently.
So, if you need fairly reliable color identification, buy the Rainbow II color 
identifier.
It is a device that you push against the object, push a button and it tells you 
the color.
It has about 40 names, so it gets pretty close, at least in the same color 
range as what the object is.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:49 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:


Good morning: Normally in "Display in Brightness" under 
settings, I keep my screen settings as follows: dark is selected; I keep screen 
brightness at 0. If using TapTapSee, should I change these settings? My sighted 
friends tell me that TapTapSee is not recognizing colors accurately. Will 
changing my brightness help that recognition?
Thank you.

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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Dave Jones]

Thank you very much for posting that article. I tried loading the same info
on yet another device and got the same error. I hope they fix the issue.

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 7:36 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Am I the only one that's receiving an error message while trying to access
> the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to
> load?
>
> No, you aren't the only one. Apparently, many people seem to be facing
> this problem. I'm not sure why that is, though.
>
> Well, I'll paste the article below for you if that helps :)
>
> A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming
> to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
> The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the
> next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second.
> Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other
> products, with no cloud processing required.
> Here are a few examples given on their website:
>
>1. lot of multi-colored rotary phones
>2. round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
>3. 3x3 Rubik's cube
>*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
>
> Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by
> TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been
> learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several years.
> Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years
> past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker
> under white cupboard".
> For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based
> approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an
> app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not
> immediately available.
> Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition
> can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text
> for product pages.
> To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website
> .
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio  AKA *Starboy*
>
> Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Dave,
Am I the only one that's receiving an error message while trying to 
access the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads 
failed to load?
No, you aren't the only one. Apparently, many people seem to be facing 
this problem. I'm not sure why that is, though.


Well, I'll paste the article below for you if that helps :)

A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be 
coming to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the 
next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second. 
Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other 
products, with no cloud processing required.

Here are a few examples given on their website:

1. lot of multi-colored rotary phones
2. round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
3. 3x3 Rubik's cube
   *pair of men's black leather derby shoes

Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by 
TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have 
been learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several 
years. Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions 
than in years past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups 
coffee maker under white cupboard".
For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the 
cloud-based approach, though it is now theoretically possible for 
someone to create an app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for 
the new API was not immediately available.
Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition 
can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt 
text for product pages.
To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website 
.


Cheers,
Marcio 
AKA /Starboy/


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RE: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The link works for me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Jones
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 7:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image 
Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

 Am I the only one that’s receiving an error message while trying to access the 
Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to load? I’ve 
tried this on multiple devices from multiple locations with the same result. 
Ads don’t load so articles and other content won’t load. I’m not using an ad 
blocker.



On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming to 
your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the next 
level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second. Image 
descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other products, 
with no cloud processing required.
Here are a few examples given on their website:

  *   lot of multi-colored rotary phones
  *   round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
  *   3x3 Rubik's cube
*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by TapTapSee 
and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been learning about 
objects and their surroundings for the past several years. Indeed, a test of 
TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years past, including 
"Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker under white cupboard".
For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based 
approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an app 
using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not immediately 
available.
Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition can be 
used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text for product 
pages.
To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website<https://cloudsight.ai/>.
Source: Blind Bargains<https://www.blindbargains.com/>

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA Starboy


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Re: TapTapSee Creators Announce Next Generation of On-device Image Recognition; Detailed Descriptions in a Quarter

[Dave Jones]

 Am I the only one that’s receiving an error message while trying to access
the Blind Bargains articles and other content stating that ads failed to
load? I’ve tried this on multiple devices from multiple locations with the
same result. Ads don’t load so articles and other content won’t load. I’m
not using an ad blocker.



On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM 'Marcio' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A new image recognition service from the Makers of TapTapSee may be coming
> to your smartphone soon, but this one is a bit different.
> The new @CloudSightAPI seeks to take on-device image recognition to the
> next level, giving detailed descriptions within a quarter of a second.
> Image descriptions are promised to be more vivid and detailed than other
> products, with no cloud processing required.
> Here are a few examples given on their website:
>
>- lot of multi-colored rotary phones
>- round black Michael Kors chronograph watch with brown leather strap
>- 3x3 Rubik's cube
>*pair of men's black leather derby shoes
>
> Much of this is made possible by the billions of images processed by
> TapTapSee and CamFind, cloud-based image description tools which have been
> learning about objects and their surroundings for the past several years.
> Indeed, a test of TapTapSee yields more detailed descriptions than in years
> past, including "Black Lenovo Thinkpad on desk" and "Krups coffee maker
> under white cupboard".
> For now, the free apps for iOS and Android continue to use the cloud-based
> approach, though it is now theoretically possible for someone to create an
> app using the new on-device technology. Pricing for the new API was not
> immediately available.
> Aside from uses for the blind and visually impaired, object recognition
> can be used for everything from moderation of images to automatic alt text
> for product pages.
> To learn more, you can visit the CloudSight website
> .
> Source: Blind Bargains 
>
> Cheers,
> Marcio  AKA *Starboy*
>
> Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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RE: TapTapSee

[Lelia]

I use both apps for different reasons, meaning that when I want something 
fairly quickly I use taptapsee 

Lelia

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

With be my eyes, you connect to a real person somewhere and he/she tells  you 
what your camera is seeing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Malver
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? 
>>> I don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been 
>>> a while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Malcolm
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RE: TapTapSee

[Larry Lumpkin]

With be my eyes, you connect to a real person somewhere and he/she tells  you 
what your camera is seeing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Malver
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 5:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? 
>>> I don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been 
>>> a while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Malcolm
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Re: TapTapSee

[Michael Malver]

They are such different services. I love tap tap see, because I can take 
pictures and post them to Facebook, much as my cited counterparts do. Be my 
eyes doesn't have that sort of functionality, and should not, because it is a 
product recognition software.
OK, technically it is not product recognition, but it is designed for you to 
ask questions about things, rather than to simply know what a picture is that 
you have just taken.

Michael

> On Feb 19, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
> Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, i 
> would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
> taking pictures.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
>> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Malcolm
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

I think that they either got a grant, or this is a last ditch effort to be 
relevant now that easier and more reliable alternatives are available.

Andy

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee
Why would you think the app would disappear. The developers know good and well 
what they're doing when they make the app free again.


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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:52 PM -0800, "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
<sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:


I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
> 
> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A big thank you I think!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

I would imagine that the appearance of services like Be My Eyes, and Crowd 
Viz have dealt a blow to TapTapSee, because If I were to pay for a service, 
i would rather use one of the latter, where you don't have to worry about 
taking pictures.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were 
reasionable.

On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:

Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sarai Bucciarelli

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just bought a picture pack a month ago.

On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:

Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.


On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
update

to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.



A big thank you I think!



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Re: TapTapSee

[Devin Prater]

Oh gosh I hope not. Just look at what Fleksy has become.

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On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:18 PM -0800, "Andy Baracco" <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:










They probably got a grant like what happened to Fleksy.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember 
that everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just 
playing with the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in 
that because tap tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could 
tell you what it sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but 
none was as good as Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so 
let's not go off the deep end again folks or the app might disappear.


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel  wrote:
>
> I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
> I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
> that it was a green can
> with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
> The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with 
> short black coat, sleeping on
> the floor near an open door.
> I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
> should show a line of
> laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure 
> enough, when I checked, there
> was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and 
> was on green grass;  not all
> the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some 
> had was far more
> important.
>
> The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful 
> program.
> I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it 
> going, but that is due to my
> ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the 
> accessibility of the app.
>
>Jewel
>
> ------
> From: "Lelia Struve" 
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
>
> I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to 
> go away or cancel the app
> or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good 
> news.
>
> Lelia
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
>>>> update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Malcolm
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Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

They probably got a grant like what happened to Fleksy.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Alan Paganelli

Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember 
that everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just 
playing with the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in 
that because tap tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could 
tell you what it sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but 
none was as good as Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so 
let's not go off the deep end again folks or the app might disappear.



Alan

Sent from my iPad Air


On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:

I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
that it was a green can

with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with 
short black coat, sleeping on

the floor near an open door.
I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
should show a line of
laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure 
enough, when I checked, there
was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and 
was on green grass;  not all
the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some 
had was far more

important.

The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful 
program.
I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it 
going, but that is due to my
ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the 
accessibility of the app.


   Jewel

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Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to 
go away or cancel the app
or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good 
news.


Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
<sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:


I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.



On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
List members may be interested to know that according to the latest 
update

to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.



A big thank you I think!



Malcolm

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Re: TapTapSee

[Devin Prater]

Why would you think the app would disappear. The developers know good and well 
what they're doing when they make the app free again.

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I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant  wrote:
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> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
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>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
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[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I had no problems paying for the use of the app. The prices were reasionable.
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:12 PM, R VanLant <vanlant2...@msn.com> wrote:
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> Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
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>>> A big thank you I think!
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RE: TapTapSee

[R VanLant]

Me too.  At least I know I'm supporting a good app. 



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I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
> 
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> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
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Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

As I understand it, it's real people telling you what is seen in the picture 
you send when you take that picture.  I think it's important to remember that 
everybody and their sister was taking picture after picture just playing with 
the app rather then really needing to.  I include myself in that because tap 
tap see was the first app I had ever come across that could tell you what it 
sees.  Sense then, several other wanna-be apps came out but none was as good as 
Tap tap see so I guess we'll see how long it lasts so let's not go off the deep 
end again folks or the app might disappear.


Alan

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> On Feb 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
> I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told 
> that it was a green can 
> with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
> The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with short 
> black coat, sleeping on 
> the floor near an open door.
> I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
> should show a line of 
> laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure enough, 
> when I checked, there 
> was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and was 
> on green grass;  not all 
> the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some had 
> was far more 
> important.
> 
> The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful program.
> I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it going, 
> but that is due to my 
> ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the accessibility 
> of the app.
> 
>Jewel
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> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: TapTapSee
> 
> I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
> away or cancel the app 
> or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good news.
> 
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>> 
>>>> 
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[Jewel]

I have never had anything like this.  It is, absolutely, wonderful.
I haven't been able to find the writing on a can yet, but I have been told that 
it was a green can 
with a black and white container near it standing on top of a table.
The detail that it gives is fantastic:  like:  a medium-sized dog with short 
black coat, sleeping on 
the floor near an open door.
I took the thphone outside and aimed the camera at where I thought that it 
should show a line of 
laundry, but what it saw was a  blue cloth on green grass, and, sure enough, 
when I checked, there 
was, indeed a blue cloth:  a bed sheet which had blown off the line and was on 
green grass;  not all 
the washing had blown off the line, but to alert me to the fact that some had 
was far more 
important.

The developers are to be congratulated in designing such a wonderful program.
I have downloaded FindCam, but, to date, have not been able to get it going, 
but that is due to my 
ineptitude with new technology, and has nothing to do with the accessibility of 
the app.

Jewel

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Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
away or cancel the app 
or anything like that which was what I was worried about. This is good news.

Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan <shermee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>>
>>
>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A big thank you I think!
>>>
>>>
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RE: TapTapSee

[Larry Lumpkin]

Does this mean that you no longer have to by picture packs?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Monica Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Oh, this is great! I love Tap Tap See.

 

 

From: Malcolm Parfitt <mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>  

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:09 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: TapTapSee

 

List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update to 
TapTapSee it is now free to all users.

 

A big thank you I think!

 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Monica Jones]

Oh, this is great! I love Tap Tap See.


From: Malcolm Parfitt 
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Subject: TapTapSee

List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update to 
TapTapSee it is now free to all users.

 

A big thank you I think!

 

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Re: TapTapSee

[Lelia Struve]

I just wrote the developers and they said that no, they were not going to go 
away or cancel the app or anything like that which was what I was worried 
about. This is good news.

Lelia 

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> On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>> 
>> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
>> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
>> while since I've downloaded it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A big thank you I think!
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I just bought a picture pack a month ago.
> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> 
> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
> 
> 
> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
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>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>> 
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>> A big thank you I think!
>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Malcolm Parfitt]

That is my understanding free to use.

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> On 18 Feb 2016, at 16:25, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> 
> Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
> don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
> while since I've downloaded it.
> 
> 
>> On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
>> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A big thank you I think!
>> 
>> 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Shermeen Khan]

Do they mean that you don't have to purchase picture packs anymore? I
don't remember the app itself costing anything, although it's been a
while since I've downloaded it.


On 2/18/16, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> List members may be interested to know that according to the latest update
> to TapTapSee it is now free to all users.
>
>
>
> A big thank you I think!
>
>
>
> Malcolm
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Re: TapTapSee Also Broken in 8.3 was Facebook app

[Steve]

Yeah, a bit annoying.

But, worst is that it appears to have broken TapTapSee and CamFind.  It may 
have broken BeMyEyes also with the message unable to send image.

I tried uninstalling and re-installing Tap Tap See, but still no-go.


- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Facebook app now saying product in every story title


I think this may have started after I upgraded to I OS 8.3. Now, when I go 
through my Facebook feed, every title of an article has the word product in it. 
Is anybody else noticing this? It's kind of annoying. So I hope it can be fixed.
Mary


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Re: TapTapSee Also Broken in 8.3 was Facebook app

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Yep, definitely have same issues. Ugg.
 On Apr 11, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, a bit annoying.
  
 But, worst is that it appears to have broken TapTapSee and CamFind.  It may 
 have broken BeMyEyes also with the message unable to send image.
  
 I tried uninstalling and re-installing Tap Tap See, but still no-go.
  
  
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Facebook app now saying product in every story title
 
 I think this may have started after I upgraded to I OS 8.3. Now, when I go 
 through my Facebook feed, every title of an article has the word product in 
 it. Is anybody else noticing this? It's kind of annoying. So I hope it can be 
 fixed.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Sandratomkins]

just a suggestion: for those who find tap tap See to be a useful app, do try 
be my eyes.it is free and doesn't depend upon your ability to take adequate 
photographs.

just a thought,
Sandy

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 On 11 Feb 2015, at 15:20, Debbie Downey debdow...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
 
 I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine. Maybe 
 their server was having issues?
 
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 Hi list:
 
 Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
 time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
 failed.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Alex Hall]

Sounds like you didn't give it access to the camera. Go to Settings then 
Privacy, then Camera. In the list of apps that appears, find TapTapSee and, if 
it's off, double tap to turn it on.
 On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:32 AM, DJ Reese atlanticst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi list:
 
 Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
 time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
 failed.  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Marianne Denning]

I would agree with this, but, be aware, when the start up money runs
out you will probably have to pay for this service too.  I don't have
a problem with companies charging for these apps but it can be a
financial burden on some of us.

On 2/12/15, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 just a suggestion: for those who find tap tap See to be a useful app, do try
 be my eyes.it is free and doesn't depend upon your ability to take
 adequate photographs.

 just a thought,
 Sandy

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 I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine.
 Maybe their server was having issues?

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 each
 time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture
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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Make sure you check in Settings, Privacy, Microphone to make sure you allowed 
access to the camera for Tap Tap See.

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Hi list:

Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
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RE: TapTapSee

[Debbie Downey]

I had that problem yesterday morning but then last night it was fine. Maybe 
their server was having issues?

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Hi list:

Anyone having problems using TapTapSee?  I upgraded to the IPhone 6 and each 
time I try and take a picture, I get back a message that says picture 
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Re: taptapsee on multiple devices

[Cheryl Homiak]

Just thought I should warn everybody that I was unable to get taptapsee to work 
on multiple devices - even two - without finally buying another subscription 
for another device. I contacted the taptapsee contact shown in the about 
section and was told they are working on having this work. So it appears that 
at this point if you want to subscribe to taptapsee on more than one device you 
either won't be able to do this or will end up with more than one subscription.


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 On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I got taptapsee and used my trial pictures on one device and then bought the 
 three-month unlimited package. I then used taptapsee on another of my devices 
 and was again given trial pictures. But when I was told I now had to buy 
 credits in order to continue using taptapsee, there didn't appear to be any 
 way to restore in-app purchases and it appeared that if I went through the 
 buying process I would be charged for another subscription. Maybe this 
 wouldn't have happened but I didn't want to have that happen and then have to 
 try to straighten things out. Is there a way to apply the purchase across 
 phones or would I not have been charged or do I have to buy separately for 
 each devvice on which I use taptapsee?
 
 
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Re: taptapsee on multiple devices

[Chris Apple boy]

Hi all
The rule is any purchases made through the app store on any device 
connected with the same Apple Id results in you only being charged once. 
In-app purchases are no exception.


Regards Chris

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On 09/04/2014 06:01, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

Hi all.


I got taptapsee and used my trial pictures on one device and then bought the 
three-month unlimited package. I then used taptapsee on another of my devices 
and was again given trial pictures. But when I was told I now had to buy 
credits in order to continue using taptapsee, there didn't appear to be any way 
to restore in-app purchases and it appeared that if I went through the buying 
process I would be charged for another subscription. Maybe this wouldn't have 
happened but I didn't want to have that happen and then have to try to 
straighten things out. Is there a way to apply the purchase across phones or 
would I not have been charged or do I have to buy separately for each devvice 
on which I use taptapsee?



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Re: TapTapSee repurchasing issue.

[Marianne Denning]

It is a 30 or 90 day unlimited package.  There isn't an unlimited
package forever.

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 I am trying to use TapTapSee, have purchased it, the unlimited package. But
 now, every time I go back into it it asks me to purchase again. I know this
 is been covered, and I apologize. What do I do?

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Re: TapTapSee question

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You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
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Re: TapTapSee question

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What if it's pictures I want like my friend's wedding?

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 You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
 find out the information I need and go on.
 
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Re: TapTapSee question

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There is a Share option on the toolbar at the top of the app.  This will
let you save or share the most recent picture you've taken with TapTap See.

Todd


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 What if it's pictures I want like my friend's wedding?

 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
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 You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
 find out the information I need and go on.

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 I just bought my first subscription for the app and I seem to remember that

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Re: TapTapSee question

[Haya Simkin guide dog Pammy]

Thanks.

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 let you save or share the most recent picture you've taken with TapTap See.
 
 Todd
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy 
 hayasim...@gmail.com wrote:
 What if it's pictures I want like my friend's wedding?
 
 Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 11, 2014, at 15:59, Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com wrote:
 
 You don't have to save the picture.  I have never saved a picture.  I
 find out the information I need and go on.
 
 On 3/11/14, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy hayasim...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks,
 I just bought my first subscription for the app and I seem to remember that
 you have to save the pictures somehow. How do you do this?
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Melanie,

That may be the reason. Try contacting iTunes Support, they may help you 
retrieve your previous purchase. Call (800) 
692-77531%20%28800%29%20692-7753and ask them to transfer you to the iTunes 
Store department. Unfortunately 
we do not have access to distribute the in-app purchases, but they may be 
able to assist you in restoring your purchase.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee Team


On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:12:24 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:

 Thank you. I found the credit counter. That encourages me to purchase more 
 credits. I didn't want to purchase another 100 credits without having soome 
 way to monitor the loss of credits as I take pictures. I s AS i said, 
 there's absolutely no way I used 100 pictures in 3 weeks not when I varely 
 take 10 pictures a week. I'm wondering if having upgraded my phone to the 
 5s from the 4 had anything to do with osing my credits. I upgraded less 
 than one week before TapTapSee reported that I'd used all my credits.

 Melanie
 On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM, TapTapSee dmi...@taptapseeapp.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 Hello Melanie,

 If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
 Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of 
 the home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest 
 version of TapTapSee in the App Store.

 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee

 On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:

 Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
 pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and 
 now I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started 
 a week ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 
 10 pics each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 
 pics but I want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 


 Melanie


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Re: TapTapSee

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Hello Melanie,

If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of 
the home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest 
version of TapTapSee in the App Store.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:

 Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
 pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and 
 now I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started 
 a week ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 
 10 pics each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 
 pics but I want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 


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Re: TapTapSee

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Thank you. I found the credit counter. That encourages me to purchase more 
credits. I didn't want to purchase another 100 credits without having soome way 
to monitor the loss of credits as I take pictures. I s AS i said, there's 
absolutely no way I used 100 pictures in 3 weeks not when I varely take 10 
pictures a week. I'm wondering if having upgraded my phone to the 5s from the 4 
had anything to do with osing my credits. I upgraded less than one week before 
TapTapSee reported that I'd used all my credits.

Melanie
On Dec 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 Hello Melanie,
 
 If you have the latest version of TapTapSee then you will find a Credit 
 Counter in the About Menu. The menu is located in the top right corner of the 
 home screen. If you do not find the counter then update to the latest version 
 of TapTapSee in the App Store.
 
 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee
 
 On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:07:33 PM UTC-8, Melanie wrote:
 Have they added a counter to the TapTapSee app that counts the number of 
 pictures taken? I've purchased a 100 picture package for $8 on 11/13 and now 
 I'm being told I've used my 100 pictures already. That noticed started a week 
 ago. There's no way I used that many pics in 3 weeks. I barely use 10 pics 
 each week. I love the app and don't mind spending the $8 for 100 pics but I 
 want to be sure that I get my 100 pics for the $8. 
 
 
 Melanie
 
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RE: TapTapSee

[Jerry MAder]

I agree with Cara.

I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time to
pay for it.

And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
that option. That's my thoughts.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee javascript:  

To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from

RE: TapTapSee

[Jerry MAder]

I was gonna say the same thing.

It isn't like we have eyes to see where the picture is at or how to get a
good shot.

We shouldn't be charged for that. It's not like we can just magically have a
sighted person by us 24:7 to make sure we got all of the picture in the
camera.

Jerry Mader

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 11:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

It's not the blind person's fault either. Geesh! Doesn't anyone have any
common sense?

 

Andy

 

From: DJ mailto:grou...@gmail.com  

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:31 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: TapTapSee

Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault
that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and
easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I
think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about this. Why sudden
change I wonder. Ruby

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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can use other apps to post to Facebook, in fact, you can do so right
from the Camera roll.

Implementing additional features like a text box where one could ask a
question is according to Tap Tap See something they are exploring, but of
course in the meantime they still incur the cost for recognition so even if
you buy the 100 pictures for $7.99 which may last you several months you at
least show your support and help them to develop and improve the app
further.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry MAder
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

I agree with Cara.

I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time to
pay for it.

And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
that option. That's my thoughts.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee javascript:  

To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking

Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

Why do you need tap tap see to allow you to post to facebook, twitter,
or any other service? that is not the objective and reason why tap tap
see exist.
If you want to take a photo, and ask your fellow friend or on social
media on that photo, like Sieghard said, you can do it directly from
'Photo' itself, or on any of the social media apps. Or, if you
spacificly looking for ddiscription, VizWiz provide you with the
option to take a photo, and you can choose to email, twitter,
facebook, ask google, or ask volunteer for help.
That beside the point. The point is Tap Tap sSee allows you to
identify a photo, or an object. Not as a entertainment tol for you to
twitt, facebooking, or entertain yourself and your friends around.
This is why, yet another reason why Tap Tap See charge for their service.

On 16/11/2013, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 You can use other apps to post to Facebook, in fact, you can do so right
 from the Camera roll.

 Implementing additional features like a text box where one could ask a
 question is according to Tap Tap See something they are exploring, but of
 course in the meantime they still incur the cost for recognition so even if
 you buy the 100 pictures for $7.99 which may last you several months you at
 least show your support and help them to develop and improve the app
 further.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jerry MAder
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: TapTapSee

 I agree with Cara.

 I would love to pay for the service but to me it's gotta be worth my time
 to
 pay for it.

 And there should be a way to ask a question with the picture. Plus, you
 should allow for a free version that allows for you to post your pic to
 facebook, email, and twitter and not your services until someone pay for
 that option. That's my thoughts.



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 6:16 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee



 Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
 less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.



 I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
 end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
 had as the answers I continued to get were:



 tin of tea



 Can of food



 Orange can



 Republic of Tea



 etc



 I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
 have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
 love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
 important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins
 of
 that brand of tea.



 So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
 information. Does this make sense?



 I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as
 that
 service is what we need.



 So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
 actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
 impressed. :)



 So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have
 the
 proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.



 Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!



 Smiles,



 cara :)

 On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:



 Alan,



 A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
 opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and
 improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
 the main focus for us.



 Best Wishes,

 On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
 helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be
 a
 successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
 I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
 paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned
 that
 I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
 picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it
 right,
 then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.
 The
 same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
 of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

 ---



 Regards,



 Alan



 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!



 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.



 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

It is entirely possible. I have such a horrible memory for names, that I do not 
remember the name of the company.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Nov 2013, at 15:49, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
  Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 
 
 
 
 Alan
 
 Sent from my iPhone 5s
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:I 
 
 Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was 
 mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month 
 for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber 
 special for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the 
 time just before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime 
 service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it 
 off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying for that service again.
 
 After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
 company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
 were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still 
 had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could 
 not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I 
 needed to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional 
 materials to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the 
 company went out of business.
 
 Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
 company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.
 
 So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on 
 their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of 
 service..
 
 Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
 the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
 read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
 university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
 have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
 government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer 
 VizWiz will continue running.
 
 We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
 several months, because of some conflict with Google.
 
 Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
 prices of ongoing services.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Carol Forrester]

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually 
mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
 was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
 acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
 to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
 how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
 spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
 
 Wayne
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
 to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
 be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
 parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
 for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
 use.
 
 On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,
 
 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
 not use volunteers.
 
 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
 be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
 effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
 iDevices.
 We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
 best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
 for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
 other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
 
 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee
 
 On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
 
 HI John and All,
 
 While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
 that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
 good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
 quite accurate.
 
 As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
 though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
 the idea of
 
 asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
 seriously.
 
 So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
 responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
 that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
 submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
 returned to the customer.
 
 
 Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
 to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
 by this
 
 app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
 I do
 
 think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
 experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
 these
 
 to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
 responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
 
 I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
 CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
 offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
 will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
 this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.
 
 I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
 which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
 for just this
 
 type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
 service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
 many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to 
 power this app so that
 
 you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's 
 always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you 
 use so
 
 that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important 
 for the
 
 visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately 
 from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for 
 necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically 
 handed out for
 
 nothing or way over-priced.
 
 Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy 
 currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! 
 :)
 
 Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below!
 
 Smiles,
 
 Cara :)
 
 http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/
 
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

No, buying credits means buying service from the app. The price of the app in 
the app store is free. Credits permit you to submit pictures if you do not want 
to pay the $9.95 subscription fee.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Nov 2013, at 8:37, Carol Forrester carol.l.forres...@me.com wrote:
 
 can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually 
 mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
 was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
 acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
 to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
 how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
 spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
 
 Wayne
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
 to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
 be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
 parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
 for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
 use.
 
 On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,
 
 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
 not use volunteers.
 
 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
 be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
 effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
 iDevices.
 We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
 best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
 for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
 other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
 
 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee
 
 On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
 
 HI John and All,
 
 While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
 that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
 good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
 quite accurate.
 
 As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
 though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
 the idea of
 
 asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
 seriously.
 
 So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
 responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
 that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
 submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
 returned to the customer.
 
 
 Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
 to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
 by this
 
 app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
 I do
 
 think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
 experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
 these
 
 to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
 responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.
 
 I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
 CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
 offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
 will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
 this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.
 
 I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
 which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
 for just this
 
 type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
 service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
 many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to 
 power this app so that
 
 you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's 
 always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you 
 use so
 
 that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important 
 for the
 
 visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately 
 from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for 
 necessary services. I.E. either products

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
 was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it
is
 acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
money
 to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,
know
 how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
 spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.
 
 Wayne
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on
how
 to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
 be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product
or
 parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
 for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of
any
 use.
 
 On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,
 
 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
 not use volunteers.
 
 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
 be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
 effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with
their
 iDevices.
 We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
 best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
 for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
 other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
 
 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee
 
 On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:
 
 HI John and All,
 
 While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
 that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
 good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
 quite accurate.
 
 As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
 though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
 the idea of
 
 asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
 seriously.
 
 So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
 responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
 that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
 submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
 returned to the customer.
 
 
 Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Hi Carol.  Not sure I understand your question.  Tap Tap See has been a free
app and service but has decided they need to charge to keep this service
going.  They will be charging $8 to receive and recognize 100 pictures.  Or
you can subscribe to a monthly service with unlimited number of pictures for
$10 per month.  Some members are objecting to having to pay at all.  Most
accept the need to pay but some object to having to pay for ongoing use of
the service.  There are also objections to being charged to interpret a
picture if it is too blurred for an interpreter to recognize what they are
seeing.  Tap Tap See must pay the interpreter for attempting to recognize
the object but some think that Tap Tap See should absorb the cost because
the user is blind.  There are others who object to paying for a picture when
the interpreter fails to provide useful information about it.  Currently
there is no way for the user to say exactly what information is required.
Tap Tap See points out that they must pay the interpreter even if they don't
provide enough information so the user must still pay for the picture.
   Some, like myself, feel that Tap Tap See has a right to set the terms and
conditions and also to decide how they will charge for the service.  The
user has the right to decide whether or not they wish to use the service and
pay for it.  Many have said they wouldn't mind paying for the app if they
could get unlimited use of the service for that flat price.  Tap Tap See
will still have the ongoing cost of paying the people who look at each
picture whether or not those people can provide useful information.  I guess
credit means a picture in this particular case.  It would be kinda nice if
folks would just decide whether they want the service enough to pay for it
and get on with life.  One can easily spend $8 or more in a trip to
Starbucks and no one seems to think it unfair that they are asked to do it
again every time they go back to Starbucks.  The only difference I see here
is that the customers are blind.  I guess I do see a point that we should be
given the chance to tell the interpreter what information we need and expect
them to provide that information or a reason why they cannot.  I would
expect Starbucks to take it back if I asked for coffee and they gave me
eggnog with no coffee in it.  Nevertheless I am willing to pay for the
service under the current terms and advocate with these very responsive
developers for improving the product.  They can't improve the product if
they go broke.

Regards,
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013,
at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every 
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the 
 app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide 
 if it is acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is 
 worth the money to him or her.  Should really does not really enter 
 it.  We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually 
 if that is how we choose to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.
Thanks.
 
 Wayne
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions 
 on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they 
 should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to 
 use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should 
 not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not 
 centered enough to be of any use.
 
 On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,
 
 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we 
 do not use volunteers.
 
 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
 be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
 effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with 
 their
 iDevices.
 We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
 best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
 for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
 other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.
 
 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee
 
 On Sunday, November 10

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Andy Baracco]

The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds 
like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, 
wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are 
doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such 
as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee


Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:


If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it

is

acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the

money

to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,

know

how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on

how

to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product

or

parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of

any

use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Cara,

Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do
not use volunteers.

On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll
be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing
effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with

their

iDevices.

We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the
best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource
for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each
other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:


HI John and All,

While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea
that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take
good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not
quite accurate.

As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think it's much like buying a car, although if gas prices were 
high enough, maybe gas companies would give away cars and you'd just 
have to pay for the gas from them to run your car. I don't think this is 
a new trend, but when your selling a service or content rather than a 
piece of hardware or a stand alone software application, it's frequently 
the case that you give away the hardware or the application and then 
charge for the service or the content.


On 11/11/2013 04:00 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? 
Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for 
the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many 
developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the 
various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game 
Time.


Andy


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee


Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it 
on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often 
by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the 
result is

sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from 
maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either 
had

to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying 
their 100

picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of 
$9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no 
pictures or

1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy 
the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures 
won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still 
have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then 
after

5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you 
could

have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol
On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:


If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case 
the app

was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it

is

acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the

money

to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it,

know

how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on

how
to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they 
should not

be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product

or
parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not 
charge

for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of

any

use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Cara,

Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do
not use volunteers.

On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll
be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing
effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with

their

iDevices.

We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the
best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Andy,

Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains is
the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
you are part of will just have to find other still free options.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Hi Carol,

No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
to start charging or shut the service down completely.

If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100
picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
send and receive a reply/description.
If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
1,000 pictures.
The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100
picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78
left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
have done so for a lot less.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Forrester
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013,
at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every 
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the 
 app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide 
 if it
is
 acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
money
 to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen 
 it,
know
 how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose 
 to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

 Wayne

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers 
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions 
 on
how
 to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should 
 not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the 
 product
or
 parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not 
 charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough 
 to be of
any
 use.

 On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,

 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we 
 do not use volunteers.

 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without
purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,.
you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for
free.

On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Andy,

 Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
 which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
 nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
 In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains
 is
 the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
 service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
 you are part of will just have to find other still free options.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
 like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
 wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
 doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
 as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.

 Andy


 -Original Message-
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 Hi Carol,

 No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
 really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
 does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
 Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
 real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
 sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.

 Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
 other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
 to start charging or shut the service down completely.

 If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their
 100
 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
 send and receive a reply/description.
 If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
 1,000 pictures.
 The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10
 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125
 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the
 100
 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't
 go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have
 78
 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after
 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take
 unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could
 have done so for a lot less.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Carol Forrester
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this
 actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov
 2013,
 at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
 customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the
 app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide
 if it
 is
 acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the
 money
 to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen
 it,
 know
 how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose
 to spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

 Wayne

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions
 on
 how
 to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should
 not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the
 product
 or
 parts of the software. So in this vain they should

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice mail for 
my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month for the voice 
mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber special for $150 for 
lifetime service. This was at the time just before cell phones started becoming 
popular. Well, lifetime service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a 
bargain. I would pay it off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying 
for that service again.

After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still had 
to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could not 
meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I needed to 
find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional materials to a 
new phone number since I lost the pager number when the company went out of 
business.

Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.

So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on their 
ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of service.

Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer VizWiz 
will continue running.

We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
several months, because of some conflict with Google.

Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
prices of ongoing services.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:42, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without
 purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,.
 you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for
 free.
 
 On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Andy,
 
 Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it
 which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car
 nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance.
 In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains
 is
 the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the
 service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems
 you are part of will just have to find other still free options.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Andy Baracco
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds
 like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine,
 wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are
 doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such
 as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time.
 
 Andy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
 responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
 
 Hi Carol,
 
 No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You
 really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app
 does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to
 Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a
 real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is
 sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app.
 
 Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe
 other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had
 to start charging or shut the service down completely.
 
 If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their
 100
 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you
 send and receive a reply/description.
 If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99
 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or
 1,000 pictures.
 The math

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

 Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s

 On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:I 
 
 Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was 
 mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month 
 for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber special 
 for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the time just 
 before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime service, 
 including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it off in 15 
 months and never need to worry about paying for that service again.
 
 After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the 
 company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people 
 were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still 
 had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could 
 not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I needed 
 to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional materials 
 to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the company went out 
 of business.
 
 Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the 
 company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.
 
 So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on 
 their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of 
 service..
 
 Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in 
 the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I 
 read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which 
 university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still 
 have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US 
 government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer 
 VizWiz will continue running.
 
 We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for 
 several months, because of some conflict with Google.
 
 Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about 
 prices of ongoing services.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

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RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Juan Hernandez]

I have never seen an issue with paying a monthly fee for something like tap
tap see.  You are right, company's finances only last as long as their
revenue keeps coming.  I would pay a monthly fee for tap tap see.  After
all, devices that help identify stuff can cost over a thousand dollars at
times.

 

Best,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

 

 Ameripage?  By any chance could that have been 

 

 

Alan

 

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com  wrote:I 

Back in the mid 90's, I purchased a pager service with included voice was
mail for my business. The pager service was $6 per month plus $4 per month
for the voice mail. However, the company was running a new subscriber
special for involved with them.$150 for lifetime service. This was at the
time just before cell phones started becoming popular. Well, lifetime
service, including voice mail, for $150, wow, what a bargain. I would pay it
off in 15 months and never need to worry about paying for that service
again.

After 15 months of service, I broke even. After 18 months of service, the
company folded. Cellphone service was becoming much more popular, so people
were not using voicemail pagers as much anymore. However, the company still
had to pay for the continuing costs of the voicemail service, and they could
not meet their costs. So, I received 3 free months of service before I
needed to find another system. I also needed to change all my promotional
materials to a new phone number since I lost the pager number when the
company went out of business.

Lifetime means lifetime of the service or lifetime of the company, and the
company must have revenue streams to cover their costs.

So, when people complain about how unfair it is for a company to pass on
their ongoing costs, remember that the alternative may well be end of
service..

Then, consider the following. VizWiz is a project of a certain university in
the US. I believe it is Georgia Tech, but it has been a couple years since I
read information about it, so I may well be completely wrong about which
university. VizWiz uses volunteers to identify pictures. However, they still
have computer network and routing charges which they must pay. The US
government is reducing funding to universities. I wonder how much longer
VizWiz will continue running.

We already know that Talking Goggles ceased functioning once already, for
several months, because of some conflict with Google.

Just a few things to think about when one starts feeling frustrated about
prices of ongoing services.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com 

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Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Cara Quinn]

HI John and All,

While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that 
charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures 
being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate.

As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even though we do 
not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take the idea of asking the 
blind / VI people to take their own images very, very seriously.

So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers responsibility, 
especially if these images are a paid service and that service depends on both 
the quality of said images which are submitted, and also the information about 
those images which is returned to the customer.

Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps to offer 
constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited by this app to 
educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. I do think many 
suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user experience, are very 
good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take these to heart and implement 
them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a responsive and caring company as 
their dialogue here has shown.

I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for CamFind 
(which is also from the same company) as well which may also offset the 
operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model will be evolving over 
time to something that all of those who need this app will find  useful, 
convenient and affordable.

I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, which offers a 
service for developers to access human capabilities for just this type of 
recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact service that TapTapSee 
is offering but I am saying that this may give many users here some idea of 
what is happening behind the scenes to power this app so that you get your 
descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's always a good idea to 
know what is happening with what products you use so that you can be an 
educated consumer. This is especially important for the visually impaired in my 
opinion, as the community has unfortunately from time to time, seen both over 
and under inflated costs for necessary services. I.E. either products or 
services being basically handed out for nothing or way over-priced.

Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy currently 
so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! :)

Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below!

Smiles,

Cara :)

http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/


On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:

It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but
that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or
not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we can
over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for example
if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not straight,
etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
there.)

On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind
 person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
 pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
 blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
 
 Andy
 
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.
 
 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
 to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the
 picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to
 ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
 actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
 pictures.
 
 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
 small premium above the 100 picture package.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
  the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
 
 
  From

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

 pictures but
 that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or
 not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we can
 over time learn how to take better pictures. We can learn for example
 if we have the phone to close to the page, or if it's not straight,
 etc. That can be done with a different package which doesn't cost
 money. In fact with technology it has been proven that yes we can even
 drive a car (probably better than some of the sighted people out
 there.)
 
 On 11/9/13, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind
 person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking
 pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a
 blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
 
 Andy
 
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.
 
 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
 to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the
 picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to
 ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures
 actually cost the company more to process compared with your good, precise
 pictures.
 
 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
 small premium above the 100 picture package.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 
 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
 
 
 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
 1883–1970
   - Original Message -
   From: Alan Paganelli
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
   Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
 helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
 successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
 I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
 paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
 I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
 picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
 then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
 same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
 of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
   ---
 
   Regards,
 
   Alan
 
   Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
   Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
   Please click on:
   http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
   There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
 on
   the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: TapTapSee
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Paula,
 We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to
 only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
 identification to your phone.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
   What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying
 to get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed
 out. There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the
 picture of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be
 charged for the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
 
   God bless!
 
   Paula and Babe
 
 
 
   From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of TapTapSee
   Sent: Thursday, November 07

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

TapTapSee has been offering the service for free for a significant length of 
time. VizWiz continues to offer the service for free. People prefer TapTapSee 
because it is quicker and more consistent. However, for this premium service, 
TapTapSee has been paying the cost out of their own pocket. In other words, we 
blind people have been accepting charity from them. Well, the free lunch is 
over.

Now, TapTapSee has continuous, ongoing costs around every picture they process. 
They now need the end-user to help support these ongoing costs.

In other words, it ultimately is the blind person's fault and responsibility if 
the blind person cannot take pictures of the objects. It is solely the blind 
person's responsibility to acquire the knowledge to start taking usable 
pictures. None of us lives in a vacuum. We all have sighted people around us. 
Considering that only one out of every one thousand people has no vision 
whatsoever, it is the blind person's fault if said person is unable to find the 
courage in him or her self to ask for this sort of assistance.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:09, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 It’s not the blind person’s fault either. Geesh! Doesn’t anyone have any 
 common sense?
  
 Andy
  
 From: DJ
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: TapTapSee
 Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
 that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and 
 easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely rediculous. 
  And that's my opinion.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Dawn Petty
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
 should count. 
  
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
 subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
  
 Thanks
  
 Donna
  
 Hello Debbie,
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
  
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
 let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
 package?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Debbie
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
 out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
 service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
 to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app 
 based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
 message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 
 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for 
 $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
 App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
 think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
 change I wonder. Ruby
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Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can pay 
for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to improve 
their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This is, in 
fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.

And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such 
training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then again, 
I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on how they 
learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine is a premium 
service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because they want the 
customised training.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a blind 
 person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like taking 
 pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like asking a 
 blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic accident.
  
 Andy
  
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.
  
 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee 
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you to 
 take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your argument 
 do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same resources to 
 identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the picture you 
 intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
 require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
 the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.
  
 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In 
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a 
 small premium above the 100 picture package.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is 
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
  
  
 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, 
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
 1883–1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
 helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
 successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
 I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem 
 paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that 
 I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred 
 picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, 
 then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The 
 same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box 
 of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
 ---
  
 Regards,
  
 Alan
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for  listening!
 - Original Message -
 From: TapTapSee
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Paula,
 We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to
 only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
 identification to your phone.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
 What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get 
 a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
 There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture 
 of the shirt

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and with training, a blind person definitely becomes a better driver. I 
started riding a bicycle, by myself, when I was 10. My friends used to ride 
their bikes behind me and shout out directions to me. My father did not learn 
that we were riding all over the city until I was 17. I have been blind since 
birth.

In other words, anything can be learned, and can improve with training and 
practice.

Unlike you, I actually have a very high opinion of what blind people are 
capable of doing. This may well be because I have done many of the things they 
say blind people cannot do, and I continue to challenge those stereotypes 
regularly.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 To ask a blind person to get better at taking pictures is like asking a blind 
 person to be a better driver.
  
 Andy
  
 From: Alex Hall
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Cc: Dawn Petty
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 I’m not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image 
 is a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took resources 
 to identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a perfect 
 one, therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will motivate people 
 to get better at taking pictures. :)
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 
 Dawn,
  
 The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
 because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
 to your phone. The reason that Failed to send or timed out won't count 
 is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to 
 identify them.
  
 To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
 other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
 feature in without ruining the user experience.
  
 Best Wishes,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be 
 identified should count. 
  
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to 
 Nov. 30rd?
  
 Thanks
  
 Donna
  
 Hello Debbie,
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
  
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
 to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
 picture package?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Debbie
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
 run out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
 M.D. wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
 
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 
  
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to 
 improve our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags 
 that you’ve come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to 
 improving the app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In 
 the next few days a message will pop up on the app that will present 
 you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 
 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through 
 your Apple iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
 this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
 subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about 
 this. Why sudden change I wonder. Ruby
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and TapTapSee offers unlimited pictures for $9.95 for each month that this 
plan is purchased. Here is your time-based plan.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:49, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 I think that there should be some consideration given to the fact that a 
 blind person is at a huge disadvantage when taking pictures, and may need to 
 have several tries before getting an acceptable result. This is why a time 
 based plan may be better for a blind person than paying by picture count 
 alone.
  
 Andy
  
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 1:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Cc: Dawn Petty
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 Dawn,
  
 The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
 because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
 to your phone. The reason that Failed to send or timed out won't count is 
 because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify 
 them.
  
 To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
 other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
 feature in without ruining the user experience.
  
 Best Wishes,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
 should count. 
  
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
  
 Thanks
  
 Donna
  
 Hello Debbie,
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
  
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
 to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
 picture package?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Debbie
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
 run out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
 M.D. wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
  
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
 our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that 
 you’ve come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to 
 improving the app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the 
 next few days a message will pop up on the app that will present you 
 with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month 
 of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple 
 iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
 this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
 subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about 
 this. Why sudden change I wonder. Ruby
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
leaning against something.
I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
chance to have the front photo of the box.
If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
enough for other to identify the object.

For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
your friend or social media to ask for help.


On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can
 pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to
 improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This
 is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.

 And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such
 training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
 again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on
 how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine
 is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
 they want the customised training.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
 blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like
 taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like
 asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
 accident.

 Andy

 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.

 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
 to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
 the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
 difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
 not-so-good pictures actually cost the company more to process compared
 with your good, precise pictures.

 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
 small premium above the 100 picture package.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:

 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
 1883–1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.
 That's helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that
 would be a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when
 in reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a
 problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just
 concerned that I get the information I need with out being over charged.
 With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten
 shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 cents

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Joanne,

Actually, tripods exist which clamp around the sides of the iPhone rather than 
using the 30-pin slot or lightning slot. Amazon has a wide selection of 
different types of these tripods.

I purchased a small tripod last year, but it does not have a clamp to secure it 
to the surface. Unfortunately, this means it does not meet my needs.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 23:53, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
 this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
 adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
 If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
 leaning against something.
 I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
 responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
 If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
 for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
 box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
 other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
 light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
 chance to have the front photo of the box.
 If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
 edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
 proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
 again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
 enough for other to identify the object.
 
 For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
 apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
 your friend or social media to ask for help.
 
 
 On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person can
 pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training to
 improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures. This
 is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.
 
 And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done such
 training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
 again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based on
 how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words, mine
 is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
 they want the customised training.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 
 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
 blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something like
 taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is like
 asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
 accident.
 
 Andy
 
 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.
 
 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you
 to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
 the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
 difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
 not-so-good pictures actually cost the company more to process compared
 with your good, precise pictures.
 
 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a
 small premium above the 100 picture package.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
 
 
 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
 1883–1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving

Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

I have a plustic foulded stand, the size of an iPhone. I've been given
that from one of the qr-code developer last year.
I do use it ocationally though, for different purposes.

On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Joanne,

 Actually, tripods exist which clamp around the sides of the iPhone rather
 than using the 30-pin slot or lightning slot. Amazon has a wide selection of
 different types of these tripods.

 I purchased a small tripod last year, but it does not have a clamp to secure
 it to the surface. Unfortunately, this means it does not meet my needs.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 23:53, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in
 this sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin
 adaptor or a lightning adaptor.
 If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
 leaning against something.
 I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
 responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
 If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes,
 for example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the
 box, and use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the
 other hand taking the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural
 light, or have your kitchen light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10
 chance to have the front photo of the box.
 If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the
 edge of the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with
 proper lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on,
 again, you will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible
 enough for other to identify the object.

 For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try
 apps like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to
 your friend or social media to ask for help.


 On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind person
 can
 pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire the training
 to
 improve their skills so that they do not need to use so many pictures.
 This
 is, in fact, solely the blind person's responsibility.

 And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done
 such
 training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather expensive. Then
 again, I figure out how each client learns and train each person based
 on
 how they learn rather than following a generic manual. In other words,
 mine
 is a premium service, and people who hire me pay a premium price because
 they want the customised training.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that a
 blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to something
 like
 taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking poor photos is
 like
 asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him for having a traffic
 accident.

 Andy

 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.

 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying
 TapTapSee
 should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for
 you
 to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture
 is
 the picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
 difficult to ascertain require more resources to be used, so your
 not-so-good pictures actually cost the company more to process compared
 with your good, precise pictures.

 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month.
 In
 other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just
 a
 small premium above the 100 picture package.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:

 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera
 is
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying
 specific,
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought

Re: TapTapSee

[Alan Paganelli]

Well said Cara.  Sometimes you need somebody else to say the same thing only a 
different way.  I suspect though that the answer will be a picture received by 
them is a picture charged to your account.  Or as my brother is so fond of 
saying to me almost every chance he gets, poopoo occurs.  
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cara Quinn 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:15 PM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.


  I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:


  tin of tea


  Can of food


  Orange can


  Republic of Tea


  etc


  I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did 
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love 
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.


  So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?


  I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.


  So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is 
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty 
impressed. :)


  So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.


  Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!


  Smiles,


  cara :)
  On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:


  Alan,


  A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.


  Best Wishes,

  On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm 
looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm 
not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the 
information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan 
at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would 
cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with 
boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted 
Flakes is.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  From: TapTapSee 
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  Paula, 
  We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to 
only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to 
get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of 
the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday

Re: TapTapSee

[Regina Alvarado]

Hello, I have no problem paying for the 100 pack as I do  not use Tap Tap See 
all that much, but my biggest problem with it is that I get the wrong info. I 
want the color and I get it is a shirt. I want to support a way to communicate 
what is needed. I think I would use much more if I got the info I wanted. I 
might even subscribe but as is now, only 100 pics.


reggie and Allegra

On Nov 9, 2013, at 5:17 PM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Alex and Dawn,

We are actually compiling a list of tips and tricks to improve the quality of 
the pictures that our users are taking. That list will be added to our website. 
I have already shared some of the tips in a thread titled, Taking Pictures 
With TapTapSee. Feel free to add some of your own tips to it. I think that if 
everyone gives their secret to getting the best identification, then we'll have 
a truly valuable resource available for everyone.

Also, Alex, I'd like to say that I'm happy that you understand our position. 
Thank you for the support.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee


 On Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:10:16 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
 not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.
  
  
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: TapTapSee
  
 Hi Alan,
 
  
 
 There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
 admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not free, 
 but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
 information is usually 100% correct.
 
  
 
 Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
 Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and 
 you’ll know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises *smile*
 
  
 
  
 
 Regards,
 
 Sieghard
 
  
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Alan Paganelli
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
 forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful 
 but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
 successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
 I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying. 
  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get 
 the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture 
 plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it 
 would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same 
 thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of 
 Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
 
 ---
 
  
 
 Regards,
 
  
 
 Alan
 
  
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
  
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
  
 
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: TapTapSee
 
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
 
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 
 Paula,
 
 We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
 count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
 identification to your phone.
 
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
 
 What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
 picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
 were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
 shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
 failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
 
 God bless!
 
 Paula and Babe
 
  
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 
 Donna,
 
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
 subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 
 Hello
 
  
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
 
  
 
 Thanks
 
  
 
 Donna
 
  
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
  
 
 This is something someone else suggested today

RE: TapTapSee

[rubyalphonse]

Hi David, I totally agree with you. There are things I have done, after
hearing from people, that blind cannot do this, Cheers Ruby

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Yes, and with training, a blind person definitely becomes a better driver. I
started riding a bicycle, by myself, when I was 10. My friends used to ride
their bikes behind me and shout out directions to me. My father did not
learn that we were riding all over the city until I was 17. I have been
blind since birth.

 

In other words, anything can be learned, and can improve with training and
practice.

 

Unlike you, I actually have a very high opinion of what blind people are
capable of doing. This may well be because I have done many of the things
they say blind people cannot do, and I continue to challenge those
stereotypes regularly.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 10 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

To ask a blind person to get better at taking pictures is like asking a
blind person to be a better driver.

 

Andy

 

From: Alex mailto:mehg...@gmail.com  Hall 

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Cc: Dawn Petty mailto:petty.d...@comcast.net  

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

I'm not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image
is a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took
resources to identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a
perfect one, therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will
motivate people to get better at taking pictures. :)

On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:





Dawn, 

 

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back
to your phone. The reason that Failed to send or timed out won't count
is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to
identify them.

 

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few
other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that
feature in without ruining the user experience.

 

Best Wishes,

Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote: 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee javascript:  

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 


 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee


 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account

Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Hello Keith,

I'm not sure I understand your suggestion fully. Can you please try 
explaining it again?

Also, to clear something up, Failed to send or Timed out photos are 
ones that never get sent to our server.

Best Wishes,
Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 3:30:48 PM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
wrote:

  I wonder if there’d be a way the folks at TapTapSee would have to 
 received photos that didn’t fail but that didn’t meet the users needs as 
 described by Cara, with descriptions of why it wasn’t successful from the 
 end-users standpoint, to learn from a sighted TapTapSee perspective what 
 the real-world problems being encountered actually were. Could it be the 
 the desired text is too small for TapTapSee to recognize, or could the 
 contrast of the desired text against the background not be enough to permit 
 TapTapSee to read it, etc?

  

 I would think TapTapSee developers would be interested in this kind of 
 real-world feedback, and include a mechanism to permit the sending of 
 unsuccessful (not failed) photos, with a description. Note, this would not 
 be intended to provide the end-user the originally desired answer, but 
 rather to permit TapTapSee developers to learn what kinds of limitations 
 were being encountered, and hopefully this info would permit further 
 improvements.

  

 Keith.

  
  
 *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Cara Quinn
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 09, 2013 5:16 PM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
  
  

 Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be 
 less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.
  
  
  
 I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in 
 the end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the 
 tea I had as the answers I continued to get were:
  
  
  
 tin of tea
  
  
  
 Can of food
  
  
  
 Orange can
  
  
  
 Republic of Tea
  
  
  
 etc
  
  
  
 I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did 
 have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love 
 love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
 important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins 
 of that brand of tea.
  
  
  
 So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
 information. Does this make sense?
  
  
  
 I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as 
 that service is what we need.
  
  
  
 So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is 
 actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty 
 impressed. :)
  
  
  
 So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have 
 the proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.
  
  
  
 Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!
  
  
  
 Smiles,
  
  
  
 cara :)
   
 On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmi...@taptapseeapp.comjavascript: 
 wrote:
  
  
  
 Alan,
  
  
  
 A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
 opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and 
 improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always 
 the main focus for us.
  
  
  
 Best Wishes,

 On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.netwrote:
  
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
 helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be 
 a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in 
 reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a 
 problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just 
 concerned that I get the information I need with out being over charged.  
 With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten 
 shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out 
 what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is 
 not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
  
 ---
  
  
  
 Regards,
  
  
  
 Alan
  
  
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
  
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
  
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
  
  - Original Message - 
  
 *From:* TapTapSee 
  
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com 
  
 *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
  
 *Subject

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Joanne,

I am not looking for a tripod attachment to take pictures of items, I can do
that just fine free hand.

However, I do sometimes want to video record a presentation when I am at a
show for my retail store and at that point I would like something like David
described which you slide the iPhone into, some sort of frame that goes
around the edges and which then has the standard thread at the bottom where
you could screw it onto a standard photo tripod.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Sieghard, unfortunately i don't think the standard tripod will work in this
sense. Unless we get a tripod that can connect to an Apple 30 pin adaptor or
a lightning adaptor.
If you have sdeddy hand, use your elbow as a tripod, or have your hand
leaning against something.
I don't think it is fair to even think of, or consider it is developer
responsibility to make sure you take good pictures.
If you want to photo a label of something, take a box of cornflakes, for
example, have your third finger tip on the middle left edge of the box, and
use your wrisk as a tripod for your phone, while using the other hand taking
the photo. with good light setting, e.g. natural light, or have your kitchen
light turn on, you will have 8 out of 10 chance to have the front photo of
the box.
If, you want to take the whole box, use your third finger tip on the edge of
the box, and place the camera on your elbow lenth. Again, with proper
lighting, e.g., natural light source or have the light turn on, again, you
will have 7 or 8 out of 10 times to be accurate and visible enough for other
to identify the object.

For those that is looking for alternative to Tap Tap See, you can try apps
like VizWiz, or, you can simply take the photo and send it to your friend or
social media to ask for help.


On 10/11/2013, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 If the blind person wants to use said premium service, the blind 
 person can pay for unlimited pictures, or the blind person can acquire 
 the training to improve their skills so that they do not need to use 
 so many pictures. This is, in fact, solely the blind person's
responsibility.

 And, such can be trained to blind people. I know because I have done 
 such training myself. As a private tech trainer, I am rather 
 expensive. Then again, I figure out how each client learns and train 
 each person based on how they learn rather than following a generic 
 manual. In other words, mine is a premium service, and people who hire 
 me pay a premium price because they want the customised training.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 17:08, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 This comment is ridiculous. certainly anyone with a brain knows that 
 a blind person is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to 
 something like taking pictures. Penalyzing a blind person for taking 
 poor photos is like asking a blind person to drive and penalyzing him 
 for having a traffic accident.

 Andy

 From: David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 So, I am trying to understand your comment.

 If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying 
 TapTapSee should be responsible for the factors which make it more 
 difficult for you to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At 
 no point during your argument do you acknowledge the fact that 
 TapTapSee must spend the same resources to identify, or attempt 
 identification, whether the picture is the picture you intended or 
 not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
 require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures 
 actually cost the company more to process compared with your good,
precise pictures.

 Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per 
 month. In other words, they are willing to be responsible for your 
 errors at just a small premium above the 100 picture package.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:

 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my 
 camera is aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying 
 specific, in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought 
 movement,
 1883-1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: viphone

Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[John Diakogeorgiou]

 javascript:
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  So, I am trying to understand your comment.
 
  If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying
 TapTapSee
  should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for
 you
  to take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your
 
  argument do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same
 
  resources to identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is
 
 the
  picture you intended or not. In fact, the images which are more
 difficult to
  ascertain require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good
 pictures
  actually cost the company more to process compared with your good,
 precise
  pictures.
 
  Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month.
 
 In
  other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just
 
 a
  small premium above the 100 picture package.
 
  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchit...@gmail.com javascript:
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty
  petty...@comcast.netjavascript:
 wrote:
 
 
   the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera
 
 is
  aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
 
 
   From: Bill Gallik
   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
   To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
   Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
 
  in-hand products.
   
   Holland's Boy, Bill
   - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
   - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought
 movement,
  1883–1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving
 the
  iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.
  That's
  helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would
 
 be a
  successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in
 reality,
  I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
  paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned
 
 that
  I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the
 hundred
  picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it
 right,
  then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.
 
  The
  same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.
  Box
  of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
 ---
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act
 now!
  Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
 played
  on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly
 
 on
  my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
   - Original Message -
   From: TapTapSee
   To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
   Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
   Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
   Paula,
   We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it
 
 to
  only count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
 
  identification to your phone.
 
   On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
 
 What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was
 trying
  to get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had
 timed
  out. There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the
 
  picture of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be
 
  charged for the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
 
 God bless!
 
 Paula and Babe
 
 
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com]
 On
  Behalf Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 
 
 Donna,
 
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to
 
  Dec. 6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those
 dates a
  message for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100
 wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from
 the
  date of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec.
 6th?
  Or from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov.
 
 1st
  to Nov. 30rd?
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 Donna
 
 
 
   Hello Debbie

RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every
customer before releasing it, we would have no apps.  In this case the app
was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is
acceptable or not.  Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money
to him or her.  Should really does not really enter it.  We've seen it, know
how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to
spend our money.  Quietly decide I hope.  Thanks.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers
responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee

Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how
to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not
be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or
parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge
for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any
use.

On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Cara,

 Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do 
 not use volunteers.

 On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll 
 be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing 
 effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their
iDevices.
 We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the 
 best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource 
 for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each 
 other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins.

 Best Wishes,
 TapTapSee

 On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote:

 HI John and All,

 While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea 
 that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take 
 good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not 
 quite accurate.

 As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even 
 though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take 
 the idea of

 asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very 
 seriously.

 So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers 
 responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and 
 that service depends on both the quality of said images which are 
 submitted, and also the information about those images which is 
 returned to the customer.


 Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps 
 to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited 
 by this

 app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. 
 I do

 think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user 
 experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take 
 these

 to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a 
 responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown.

 I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for 
 CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also 
 offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model 
 will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need 
 this app will find  useful, convenient and affordable.

 I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, 
 which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities 
 for just this

 type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact 
 service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give 
 many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to 
 power this app so that

 you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's 
 always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you 
 use so

 that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important 
 for the

 visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately 
 from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for 
 necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically 
 handed out for

 nothing or way over-priced.

 Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy 
 currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! 
 :)

 Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below!

 Smiles,

 Cara :)

 http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/


 On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John Diakogeorgiou 
 jdiako...@gmail.comjavascript:
 wrote:

 It may be that it's harder for a blind person to take pictures but 
 that's not the developers problem. Whether we take a good picture or 
 not they still have to analyse it and give us feedback. And yes we

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alan,

 

There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an
admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not
free, but it's a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the
information is usually 100% correct.

 

Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted
Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and
you'll know! Anyhow, don't you like surprises *smile*

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
javascript: ] On Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie,

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 

  _  

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

John,

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are
funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the
developer should have kept that to themselves!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably
never use.

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Ann,

 Thank you for your support!

 Best Wishes,

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote:

  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile*

 Thanks so much for this wonderful app!

 Ann


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Troy Sullivan javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
 yet but  when I do I will.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Alan Paganelli javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
 pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking was
just for fun.

 I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
 sighted

 son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
 just to

 see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
 recall,

 that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture 
 taking has been based on need to know rather then a play thing.  I 
 think of myself as an average blind person and guess this was pretty 
 much the case

 with everybody.  All that's fine and dandy though however I still 
 maintain

 that there should be a free version of the app.
 ---

 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!

 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
 played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  
 format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  
 Thanks for listening!

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Phil Vlasak javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Hi TTS,
 I suggest a count down counter that tells you how many photos left.
 Also a days left counter for the monthly version.
  Phil


 - Original Message -
 *From:* TapTapSee javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:34 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Don,
 We are in the process of adding some kind of a counter under the 
 about section. We'll release a new update with the counter in it in 
 the next 3-7

 days.

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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kay,

Let's just give Tap Tap See a bit of time to evaluate all the feedback they
have received, both good/constructive and bad/not so constructive.

As I pointed out before, I think it would be nice if they offered an annual
unlimited membership at a discounted price from what a monthly membership
would cost if you multiply it by 12. Combine that with being smart and
taking advantage of iTunes Gift Card promos and somebody who wanted
unlimited access could do pretty good.

Personally I think the $7.99 for 100 pictures is a good deal and an
excellent alternative to the monthly subscription. Maybe Apple imposes
limits as to how many pricing options/packages they can offer; let's not
accuse them of a lack of options if it's not their fault.

I also stated this before, but I think in combination with Camfind and
Talking Goggles and possibly Digit-Eyes or Red Laser, there really is little
reason why 100 pictures should not last a month or 2. Let's do the math, if
you pay $7.99 for 100 pictures, then $9.99 (the monthly subscription) would
buy you 125 pictures.
In other words, unless you take more than 125 pictures a month, you are
better off buying the 100 picture package for $7.99.

Anyhow, I really don't see much point of other packages except an annual or
even a 2-year or 3-year subscription. Tap Tap See clearly stated that the
100 pictures don't expire, you have them until you use them so there is
little point in offering 50 pictures for $4.99 or even fewer pictures for
less, $8 is not a price most people can't afford and if you don't take
pictures of your dog or your keyboard for fun just to see if Tap Tap See
tells you it's a Black Dog or a White Keyboard, 100 pictures really should
last the majority of people a good while.

In the end it just comes down to whether it's worth it to you or not.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Hey Sieghard,
did you send a message like the one you just sent to the list?  As I have
said already, I do mot have a problem paying for the service, I simply have
a problem with the pricing options available now.  I personally know of
several people that have deleted the app and are very disappointed with the
situation.  I do plan on telling them to email and come up with suggestions.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: cont...@taptapseeapp.com
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: TapTapSee


Hello Listers and Tap Tap See people,

I understand that many are disappointed that something which used to be free
now costs money. Of course when Fleksy which I think started out at $14.99,
went free after first dropping to $4.99 just as many people complained
because they wanted Fleksy right away so they spent the money. Well, it
happens all the time, prices go up and just because Tap Tap See was free
that doesn't mean it has to remain so or should remain so. After all, the
people behind Tap Tap See do have to have to live as well. What if Tap Tap
See had started out costing $4.99 for 100 pictures and then went up to
$7.99, would people have complained as much?

I think the most important thing, however, is that everybody who has
something to say regarding the cost whether it's good or bad should also CC
cont...@taptapseeapp.com because the developer, Image Searcher, is who
really needs to hear this. If people want them to reconsider their model or
pricing they have to let them know and it's not reasonable to assume or
expect that they should monitor the list for all these messages.

Before I found the Tweet on their website confirming that they are switching
to a subscription or pay per use model, I wrote to them asking for
clarification since even right now as I am writing this message I don't have
an update nor have I seen any message asking me to pay. I'm sure it's only a
matter of time, but since there seemed to be conflicting information out
there at first with some getting the message and some not, I just went on
their website and send a support email.

As I stated before, I will most likely buy the 100 images for $7.99 since
occasionally I do find the app extremely useful, but I will probably use
Camfind (same developer) and Talking Goggles first and only fall back on Tap
Tap See if I can't get a good result. It's not as if there are no
alternatives, there are in fact, many and I suspect 100 pictures will last
me half a year in which case the price is not an issue.

I do, however, agree that $10 a month is a bit steep, in fact, I think a
good monthly subscription price would be $4.99 and it would be nice if they
added an annual subscription, say for $39.99 or even $49.99 and they could
even offer a 3-year subscription like Sendero for say $99.99

RE: TapTapSee

[Pinky]

Hi Listers,
Maybe we should look at this a little differently.  By  them making an app
for  android that might help keep the cost down for people using Tap Tap
See.  The more subscribers the lower the cost might be as it spreads the
cost around through more people.  So this could be a good thing in my
opinion.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

John,

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are
funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the
developer should have kept that to themselves!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably
never use.

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Ann,

 Thank you for your support!

 Best Wishes,

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote:

  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile*

 Thanks so much for this wonderful app!

 Ann


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Troy Sullivan javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
 yet but  when I do I will.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Alan Paganelli javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
 pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
 was
just for fun.

 I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
 sighted

 son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
 just to

 see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
 recall,

 that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture 
 taking has been based on need to know rather then a play thing.  I 
 think of myself as an average blind person and guess this was pretty 
 much the case

 with everybody.  All that's fine and dandy though however I still 
 maintain

 that there should be a free version of the app.
 ---

 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!

 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
 played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics format 
 formerly on my website are still available upon request.
 Thanks for listening!

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Phil Vlasak javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Hi TTS,
 I suggest a count down counter that tells you how many photos left.
 Also a days left counter for the monthly version.
  Phil


 - Original Message -
 *From:* TapTapSee javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:34 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Don,
 We are in the process of adding some kind of a counter under the 
 about section. We'll release a new update with the counter in it in 
 the next 3-7

 days.

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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Julia,

 

How much easier can it get to tap “Buy” when you received the notification
that you have to buy another package.

You then enter your Apple Id password or use your fingerprint to authorize
the sale if you have an iPhone 5S and it’s done.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Julia Cosgrove (Mrs)
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: TapTapSee

 

Hello All

As I had not been reading the Viphone Group for a few days, I was most cross
and shocked this morning when I came to use TapTapSee and discovered that
they were going to charge for its use.  However, after reading many of the
messages, I can see why they are now charging especially if it costs $150.00
a day for processing pictures - I think that is right.

However, although the company has made this extremely good app and it is so
useful, I feel that, jumping from 0 to £5.49 (English money) is rather a
large jump.  If it had been 0 to £2.50 or £3.00 to start with then, this, I
believe, would have been more acceptable.  Of course, after that, small
price rises would probably have been taken into account as part of inflation
and/or the economic climate.  This all does sound more in dollars though!

Of course, I realise that the company have a business to run and employees
to pay but a little forethought might have helped matters.  It is not so
much the affordability of the app but, rather, the principle of the thing.

To this end, I, myself, may well try some of the other apps - some of which
I have tried before - but, in the endpoint, I may well come back to
TapTapSee and use the 100 photos option as I certainly do not use the app
every day.

One suggestion though;  if people choose to use the 100 photos option it
might help either:
to have an option to let the payment roll-over as some might not be so
confident in purchasing via the App Store, or;
when the app is ten pictures from the end, perhaps a reminder can be given
via the app so that payment can be made at leisure rather than suddenly
finding that you cannot use the app especially when you might be in a hurry.

Best wishes.

Julia. 




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Re: TapTapSee

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think this is a good point. It's also a fact that businesses will 
spend revenue from a given product across multiple product lines. I'm 
sure it happens, but I've never worked for a company that directed 
profits from a given product into just that same product. Last I knew, 
Image Searcher wasn't a not for profit organization. I think people 
should decide if this app is worth paying for or not based  on the price 
and the service it provides.


I wonder how many people double check to make sure a company isn't also 
developing products for Android before they buy an iPhone app from that 
developer.


On 11/09/2013 09:34 AM, Pinky wrote:

Hi Listers,
Maybe we should look at this a little differently.  By  them making an app
for  android that might help keep the cost down for people using Tap Tap
See.  The more subscribers the lower the cost might be as it spreads the
cost around through more people.  So this could be a good thing in my
opinion.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

John,

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are
funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the
developer should have kept that to themselves!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably
never use.

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Ann,

Thank you for your support!

Best Wishes,

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote:

  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile*

Thanks so much for this wonderful app!

Ann


- Original Message -
*From:* Troy Sullivan javascript:
*To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
*Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM
*Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay
yet but  when I do I will.

- Original Message -
*From:* Alan Paganelli javascript:
*To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
*Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free
pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking
was

just for fun.

I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My
sighted

son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight
just to

see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I
recall,

that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture
taking has been based on need to know rather then a play thing.  I
think of myself as an average blind person and guess this was pretty
much the case

with everybody.  All that's fine and dandy though however I still
maintain

that there should be a free version of the app.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!

Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics format
formerly on my website are still available upon request.
Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
*From:* Phil Vlasak javascript:
*To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
*Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

Hi TTS,
I suggest a count down counter that tells you how many photos left.
Also a days left counter for the monthly version.
  Phil


- Original Message -
*From:* TapTapSee javascript:
*To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
*Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

Don,
We are in the process of adding some kind of a counter under the
about section. We'll release a new update with the counter in it in
the next 3-7

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Re: TapTapSee

[Marianne Denning]

I believe the company plans to include a counter in an upcoming
version so you can check that to see how many pictures you have
remaining.

On 11/9/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Julia,



 How much easier can it get to tap “Buy” when you received the notification
 that you have to buy another package.

 You then enter your Apple Id password or use your fingerprint to authorize
 the sale if you have an iPhone 5S and it’s done.





 Regards,

 Sieghard



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Julia Cosgrove (Mrs)
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 8:38 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: TapTapSee



 Hello All

 As I had not been reading the Viphone Group for a few days, I was most
 cross
 and shocked this morning when I came to use TapTapSee and discovered that
 they were going to charge for its use.  However, after reading many of the
 messages, I can see why they are now charging especially if it costs
 $150.00
 a day for processing pictures - I think that is right.

 However, although the company has made this extremely good app and it is so
 useful, I feel that, jumping from 0 to £5.49 (English money) is rather a
 large jump.  If it had been 0 to £2.50 or £3.00 to start with then, this, I
 believe, would have been more acceptable.  Of course, after that, small
 price rises would probably have been taken into account as part of
 inflation
 and/or the economic climate.  This all does sound more in dollars though!

 Of course, I realise that the company have a business to run and employees
 to pay but a little forethought might have helped matters.  It is not so
 much the affordability of the app but, rather, the principle of the thing.

 To this end, I, myself, may well try some of the other apps - some of which
 I have tried before - but, in the endpoint, I may well come back to
 TapTapSee and use the 100 photos option as I certainly do not use the app
 every day.

 One suggestion though;  if people choose to use the 100 photos option it
 might help either:
 to have an option to let the payment roll-over as some might not be so
 confident in purchasing via the App Store, or;
 when the app is ten pictures from the end, perhaps a reminder can be given
 via the app so that payment can be made at leisure rather than suddenly
 finding that you cannot use the app especially when you might be in a
 hurry.

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RE: TapTapSee

[Ron Pelletier]

Well guys,

I totally agree.  Sometimes, silence is golden.  I certainly would have kept
quiet on that subject.  Now that I know that part of that amount is to
support developing the Android app which I will never use, it makes me
wonder why I should pay that full amount.  I am already paying a premium for
the use of an Apple product.

Ron  Danvers

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

John,

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are
funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the
developer should have kept that to themselves!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably
never use.

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:
 Ann,

 Thank you for your support!

 Best Wishes,

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote:

  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile*

 Thanks so much for this wonderful app!

 Ann


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Troy Sullivan javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
 yet but  when I do I will.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Alan Paganelli javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
 pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
 was
just for fun.

 I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
 sighted

 son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
 just to

 see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
 recall,

 that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture 
 taking has been based on need to know rather then a play thing.  I 
 think of myself as an average blind person and guess this was pretty 
 much the case

 with everybody.  All that's fine and dandy though however I still 
 maintain

 that there should be a free version of the app.
 ---

 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!

 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
 played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics format 
 formerly on my website are still available upon request.
 Thanks for listening!

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Phil Vlasak javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Hi TTS,
 I suggest a count down counter that tells you how many photos left.
 Also a days left counter for the monthly version.
  Phil


 - Original Message -
 *From:* TapTapSee javascript:
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:34 PM
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

 Don,
 We are in the process of adding some kind of a counter under the 
 about section. We'll release a new update with the counter in it in 
 the next 3-7

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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Hello All,

I'd like to clear up the Android development confusion. As you have heard 
many months ago, we mentioned that we want to bring TapTapSee to Android. 
We began the developed some time ago. We then had to put it to a halt, due 
to the current financial situation. At the moment, we do not have a set 
timeline for when the Android version of TapTapSee will be released, or 
even continued to be developed. We originally hoped to release it this 
year, but now we're not sure if it will be released early next year or if 
at all. When we said that some of the subscription may help finance that 
development, it is not something that will happen right away. The thought 
is that it may occur in the future. I will agree with you that maybe we 
shouldn't have mentioned this in the first place, but we always prided 
ourselves on being transparent and open with the community. This is also a 
big reason why we actively participate in group conversation and are open 
to your questions, as well as suggestions. 

Our main goal right now is to keep the iOS TapTapSee active! After we feel 
that we can continue with our expansion of the app on other platforms, then 
we will proceed. Again, I apologize for the confusion, but I hope that this 
message cleared some of it up.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:27:01 AM UTC-8, ron.pelletier wrote:

 Well guys, 

 I totally agree.  Sometimes, silence is golden.  I certainly would have 
 kept 
 quiet on that subject.  Now that I know that part of that amount is to 
 support developing the Android app which I will never use, it makes me 
 wonder why I should pay that full amount.  I am already paying a premium 
 for 
 the use of an Apple product. 

 Ron  Danvers 

 -Original Message- 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf 
 Of Sieghard Weitzel 
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:10 AM 
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: RE: TapTapSee 

 John, 

 I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't 
 buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars 
 are 
 funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the 
 developer should have kept that to themselves! 



 -Original Message- 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf 
 Of John Diakogeorgiou 
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM 
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee 

 To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop 
 yor 
 app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge 
 me 
 for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a 
 problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I 
 should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably 
 never use. 

 On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmi...@taptapseeapp.com javascript: wrote: 
  Ann, 
  
  Thank you for your support! 
  
  Best Wishes, 
  
  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote: 
  
   I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile* 
  
  Thanks so much for this wonderful app! 
  
  Ann 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  *From:* Troy Sullivan javascript: 
  *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
  *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM 
  *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
  
  I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
  yet but  when I do I will. 
  
  - Original Message - 
  *From:* Alan Paganelli javascript: 
  *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
  *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM 
  *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
  
  I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
  pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
  was 
 just for fun. 
  
  I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
  sighted 
  
  son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
  just to 
  
  see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
  recall, 
  
  that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time my picture 
  taking has been based on need to know rather then a play thing.  I 
  think of myself as an average blind person and guess this was pretty 
  much the case 
  
  with everybody.  All that's fine and dandy though however I still 
  maintain 
  
  that there should be a free version of the app. 
  --- 
  
  Regards, 
  
  Alan 
  
  Go Chicago Bears in 2013! 
  
  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act 
 now! 
  
  Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything. 
  
  Please click on: 
  http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ 
  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
  played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics format

Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they count 
toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified should 
count.  

From: TapTapSee 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Donna, 
It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
  Hello

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

  Thanks

  Donna 

Hello Debbie, 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
  Hello,

  I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

  Thank you!

  Debbie


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Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 
Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come to 
love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based on 
the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will pop 
up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack 
for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is 
done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, 
I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

it would also be nice if there were a direct way to ask a question regarding 
the picture.


From: TapTapSee 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Donna, 
It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 
  Hello

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

  Thanks

  Donna 

Hello Debbie, 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 
  Hello,

  I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

  Thank you!

  Debbie


--
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Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee


  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 
Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come to 
love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app based on 
the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a message will pop 
up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack 
for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is 
done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, 
I think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Dawn,

The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
to your phone. The reason that Failed to send or timed out won't count 
is because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to 
identify them.

To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A 
few other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add 
that feature in without ruining the user experience.

Best Wishes,
Dmitriy

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:

   what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will 
 they count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be 
 identified should count.  
   
  *From:* TapTapSee javascript: 
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
  
  Donna, 
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

  Hello
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
 of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or 
 from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to 
 Nov. 30rd?
  
 Thanks
  
 Donna 
  

  Hello Debbie, 
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

  Hello,
  
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
 to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
 picture package?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Debbie
  
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 *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *TapTapSee
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

  No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until 
 you run out of the 100 pictures.

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
 M.D. wrote: 

  Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

  

 *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *TapTapSee
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

  
  
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
 our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve 
 come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the 
 app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
 message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. 
 Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited 
 Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
  
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have 
 this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Alex Hall]

I’m not thrilled from a user perspective, since it feels like a failed image is 
a failed image, However, I do understand your position - it took resources to 
identify the image, so a blurry picture costs you the same as a perfect one, 
therefore you have to charge for it. I suppose this will motivate people to get 
better at taking pictures. :)
On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:59 PM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 Dawn,
 
 The blurry pictures will count toward the credits. The reason for it is 
 because the image was sent to us, then identified by us, and then sent back 
 to your phone. The reason that Failed to send or timed out won't count is 
 because those pictures never reach our service, so we never get to identify 
 them.
 
 To your second post, we will look into it as something for the future. A few 
 other people have also suggested it. We'll see if it's possible to add that 
 feature in without ruining the user experience.
 
 Best Wishes,
 Dmitriy
 
 On Saturday, November 9, 2013 1:51:25 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
 should count. 
  
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
 subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
  
 Thanks
  
 Donna
  
 Hello Debbie,
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
  
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
 let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
 package?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Debbie
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
 out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
  
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our 
 service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve come 
 to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app 
 based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
 message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option 
 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for 
 $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
 App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
 think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
 change I wonder. Ruby
 
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Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is 
aiming at something else rather than the selected object.


From: Bill Gallik 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, in-hand 
products.

Holland's Boy, Bill
- Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
- Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
1883–1970
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alan Paganelli 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

  Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
  ---

  Regards,

  Alan

  Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

  Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

  Please click on: 
  http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
  There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: TapTapSee 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula, 
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
  What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to 
get a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of 
the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

  God bless!

  Paula and Babe



  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee



  Donna,

  It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 
6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
for subscription will appear.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

  Hello



  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date 
of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
30rd?



  Thanks



  Donna 



Hello Debbie,



This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is 
definitely something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for 
the suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,



I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is 
accessible to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 
100 picture package?



Thank you!



Debbie






From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you 
run out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., 
M.D. wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 



From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee



Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our

Re: TapTapSee

[Dawn Petty]

not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: TapTapSee

Hi Alan,

 

There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not free, 
but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
information is usually 100% correct.

 

Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and you’ll 
know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises *smile*

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 

  From: TapTapSee 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

   

  Paula, 

  We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.


  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

  What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the failed 
pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

  God bless!

  Paula and Babe

   

  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
  Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: TapTapSee

   

  Donna,

  It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

  On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

  Hello

   

  Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

   

  Thanks

   

  Donna 

   

Hello Debbie,

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 




From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs

Re: TapTapSee

[TapTapSee]

Alex and Dawn,

We are actually compiling a list of tips and tricks to improve the quality 
of the pictures that our users are taking. That list will be added to our 
website. I have already shared some of the tips in a thread titled, Taking 
Pictures With TapTapSee. Feel free to add some of your own tips to it. I 
think that if everyone gives their secret to getting the best 
identification, then we'll have a truly valuable resource available for 
everyone.

Also, Alex, I'd like to say that I'm happy that you understand our 
position. Thank you for the support.

Best Wishes,
TapTapSee


On Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:10:16 PM UTC-8, Dawn Petty wrote:

   not if you have to open the box just to find out, lol.
  
   
  *From:* Sieghard Weitzel javascript: 
 *Sent:* Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:08 AM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Subject:* RE: TapTapSee
  
  
 Hi Alan,

  

 There are always apps like Talking Goggles which are free and which do an 
 admirable job in snippets of OCR. There is also Digit-Eyes which is not 
 free, but it’s a one-time cost and if it recognizes and finds a barcode the 
 information is usually 100% correct.

  

 Now, seriously, you need to know if you are dealing with a box of Frosted 
 Flakes or Fruit Loops? Just take a sniff or stick one in your mouth and 
 you’ll know! Anyhow, don’t you like surprises **smile**

  

  

 Regards,

 Sieghard

  
  
 *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Alan Paganelli
 *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 10:50 AM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

  
  
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the 
 iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's 
 helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be 
 a successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in 
 reality, I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a 
 problem paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just 
 concerned that I get the information I need with out being over charged.  
 With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten 
 shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out 
 what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is 
 not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
  
 ---
  
  
  
 Regards,
  
  
  
 Alan
  
  
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
  
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
  
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

  - Original Message - 
  
 *From:* TapTapSee javascript: 
  
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
  
 *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
  
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee
  
  
  
 Paula, 
  
 We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
 count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
 identification to your phone.
  

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 
  
 What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get 
 a picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. 
 There were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture 
 of the shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for 
 the failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

 God bless!

 Paula and Babe

  

 *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *TapTapSee
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee

  
  
 Donna,
  
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
  
 Hello
  
  
  
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
  
  
  
 Thanks
  
  
  
 Donna 
  
  

  Hello Debbie,
  
  
  
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!

 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
  
 Hello,

  

 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible 
 to let you know how many pictures you have

RE: TapTapSee

[Wayne gmail]

Any time we purchase a technology product we are usually paying partly for
development of new products.  Some of those new products may interest us and
some may not.  Some never survive the development process itself.

   If developers are innovative enough to create a product as nice as Tap
Tap See, they are likely to want to create other new things.  

   I personally hope part of my payments will help you revive the Android
version.  I don't plan on getting an Android device now but as the Android
accessibility improves that day may come.  I appreciate the fact that your
team is motivated by creation and growth.

  

  Good luck!

Wayne 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hello All,

 

I'd like to clear up the Android development confusion. As you have heard
many months ago, we mentioned that we want to bring TapTapSee to Android. We
began the developed some time ago. We then had to put it to a halt, due to
the current financial situation. At the moment, we do not have a set
timeline for when the Android version of TapTapSee will be released, or even
continued to be developed. We originally hoped to release it this year, but
now we're not sure if it will be released early next year or if at all. When
we said that some of the subscription may help finance that development, it
is not something that will happen right away. The thought is that it may
occur in the future. I will agree with you that maybe we shouldn't have
mentioned this in the first place, but we always prided ourselves on being
transparent and open with the community. This is also a big reason why we
actively participate in group conversation and are open to your questions,
as well as suggestions. 

 

Our main goal right now is to keep the iOS TapTapSee active! After we feel
that we can continue with our expansion of the app on other platforms, then
we will proceed. Again, I apologize for the confusion, but I hope that this
message cleared some of it up.

 

Best Wishes,

TapTapSee

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:27:01 AM UTC-8, ron.pelletier wrote:

Well guys, 

I totally agree.  Sometimes, silence is golden.  I certainly would have kept

quiet on that subject.  Now that I know that part of that amount is to 
support developing the Android app which I will never use, it makes me 
wonder why I should pay that full amount.  I am already paying a premium for

the use of an Apple product. 

Ron  Danvers 

-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
javascript: ] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:10 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  
Subject: RE: TapTapSee 

John, 

I also read this message and if there was one single reason why I wouldn't 
buy a Tap Tap See subscription it would be because I now know my dollars are

funding Android development and I feel the same way as you. I think the 
developer should have kept that to themselves! 



-Original Message- 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
javascript: ] On Behalf 
Of John Diakogeorgiou 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:52 AM 
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  
Subject: Re: TapTapSee 

To the Android team: Why should my subscription pay for  you to develop yor 
app for another platform when I don't use it? If you are going to charge me 
for a service then that's what I should be paying for. I don't have a 
problem paying you but if I do the service needs to be more accurate and I 
should be paying for what I am receiving not for an app I will probably 
never use. 

On 11/8/13, TapTapSee dmi...@taptapseeapp.com javascript:  wrote: 
 Ann, 
 
 Thank you for your support! 
 
 Best Wishes, 
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:55:15 PM UTC-8, SoonerAnnie wrote: 
 
  I was prompted...last night...and I did pay! *smile* 
 
 Thanks so much for this wonderful app! 
 
 Ann 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 *From:* Troy Sullivan javascript: 
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:02 PM 
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
 
 I will pay for this app, I love it! I haven't been prompted to pay 
 yet but  when I do I will. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 *From:* Alan Paganelli javascript: 
 *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:42 PM 
 *Subject:* Re: TapTapSee 
 
 I would still like to see a free version even if it is 5 free 
 pictures a month.  I would suspect that much of the picture taking 
 was 
just for fun. 
 
 I know when I first installed the app, I couldn't believe it.  My 
 sighted 
 
 son and I spent that night taking pictures of everything in sight 
 just to 
 
 see if we could find something it had no clue what that is.  As I 
 recall, 
 
 that particular night we failed horribly.  Sense that time

Re: TapTapSee

[Cara Quinn]

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:

tin of tea

Can of food

Orange can

Republic of Tea

etc

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did have 
the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love love 
teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is actually 
the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty impressed. :)

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

Smiles,

cara :)
On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Alan,

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
---
 
Regards,
 
Alan
 
Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
 
Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: TapTapSee
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula,
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the failed 
pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 
Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. Then 
when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message for 
subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 
Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from the 
first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 30rd?

 
Thanks

 
Donna 

 
Hello Debbie,

 
This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:

Hello,

 
I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to let 
you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
package?

 
Thank you!

 
Debbie

 
From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

So, I am trying to understand your comment.

If I interpret your argument correctly, you appear to be saying TapTapSee 
should be responsible for the factors which make it more difficult for you to 
take a good picture of the appropriate item. At no point during your argument 
do you acknowledge the fact that TapTapSee must spend the same resources to 
identify, or attempt identification, whether the picture is the picture you 
intended or not. In fact, the images which are more difficult to ascertain 
require more resources to be used, so your not-so-good pictures actually cost 
the company more to process compared with your good, precise pictures.

Actually, TapTapSee is offering an unlimited package for $10 per month. In 
other words, they are willing to be responsible for your errors at just a small 
premium above the 100 picture package.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:08, Dawn Petty petty.d...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is  
 aiming at something else rather than the selected object.
  
  
 From: Bill Gallik
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific, 
 in-hand products.
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
 - Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement, 
 1883–1970
 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Paganelli
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
 forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful 
 but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a 
 successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, 
 I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying. 
  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get 
 the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture 
 plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it 
 would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same 
 thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of 
 Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
 ---
  
 Regards,
  
 Alan
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 - Original Message -
 From: TapTapSee
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
  
 Paula,
 We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
 count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
 identification to your phone.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
 What about those pictures that come back as “failed”?  I was trying to get a 
 picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
 were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
 shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the 
 failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
 
 God bless!
 
 Paula and Babe
 
  
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
  
 
 Donna,
 
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 
 Hello
 
  
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
 
  
 
 Thanks
 
  
 
 Donna
 
  
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
  
 
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
  
 
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
 let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture 
 package?
 
  
 
 Thank

RE: TapTapSee

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I wonder if there'd be a way the folks at TapTapSee would have to received 
photos that didn't fail but that didn't meet the users needs as described by 
Cara, with descriptions of why it wasn't successful from the end-users 
standpoint, to learn from a sighted TapTapSee perspective what the real-world 
problems being encountered actually were. Could it be the the desired text is 
too small for TapTapSee to recognize, or could the contrast of the desired text 
against the background not be enough to permit TapTapSee to read it, etc?

I would think TapTapSee developers would be interested in this kind of 
real-world feedback, and include a mechanism to permit the sending of 
unsuccessful (not failed) photos, with a description. Note, this would not be 
intended to provide the end-user the originally desired answer, but rather to 
permit TapTapSee developers to learn what kinds of limitations were being 
encountered, and hopefully this info would permit further improvements.

Keith.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be less 
than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the 
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I had 
as the answers I continued to get were:

tin of tea

Can of food

Orange can

Republic of Tea

etc

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did have 
the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love love 
teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really 
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of 
that brand of tea.

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just 
information. Does this make sense?

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that 
service is what we need.

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is actually 
the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty impressed. :)

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the 
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

Smiles,

cara :)
On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee 
dmit...@taptapseeapp.commailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

Alan,

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as 
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and improve 
our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always the main 
focus for us.

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, 
alanand...@earthlink.nethttp://earthlink.net wrote:
Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the iPhone 
forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's helpful but 
not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a successful 
image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality, I'm looking for 
can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem paying.  I'm not looking 
for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that I get the information I 
need with out being over charged.  With the hundred picture plan at 8 cents a 
picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right, then it would cost me 80 
cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The same thing with boxes etc.  
Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
- Original Message -
From: TapTapSeejavascript:
To: vip...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Paula,
We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only 
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an 
identification to your phone.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote:
What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a 
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There 
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the 
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the failed 
pix if I use the 100 picture plan?
God bless

RE: TapTapSee

[DJ]

Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault
that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and
easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count.  

 

From: TapTapSee mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com  

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna, 

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote: 

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie, 

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote: 

Hello,

 

I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to
let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 picture
package?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie

 


  _  


From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run
out of the 100 pictures.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
wrote: 

Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date? 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:

Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this
App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I
think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about this. Why sudden
change I wonder. Ruby

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Re: TapTapSee

[David Chittenden]

Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my 
opinion.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to add. 
 Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that’s not the only problem 
 some people have. It’s also for some how many pics it takes to get the right 
 info even when doing everything right.
 
 For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it’s 
 ground chicken.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their fault 
 that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear and 
 easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely 
 rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Dawn Petty
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they 
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified 
 should count. 
 
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th. 
 Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message 
 for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of 
 purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from 
 the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov. 
 30rd?
 
 Thanks
 
 Donna
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely 
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the 
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible to 
 let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100 
 picture package?
 
 Thank you!
 
 Debbie
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you run 
 out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
 wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change 
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve 
 our service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you’ve 
 come to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the 
 app based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a 
 message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. 
 Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited 
 Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have this 
 App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to subscribe, I 
 think of not using TapTapSee. But I’m very upset about this. Why sudden 
 change I wonder. Ruby
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RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Dawn,

 

You may want to investigate options which would allow you to put your iPhone
on some sort of stand or a little tripod, these accessories do exist. Then
maybe you could set up a special place where you know if your iPhone is in a
certain place and the item you want to identify is in a certain place it
will be perfectly lined up. You could then use a Bluetooth keyboard to
activate the take picture button and you would not even have to touch the
phone.

 

I know this is a bit more complicated, but I just thought of it as a
suggestion which might help you to get better pictures.

 

For the Tap Tap See team, it would be very nice if the volume up button
could be configured to take the picture as it does in the stock camera app.
This would mean also that one could plug in the earpods and take the picture
by pressing the volume up button on the headset remote. For somebody like
Dawn who might have difficulties holding the phone still this could work
really well.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dawn Petty
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 2:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

the problem I have is I am physically disabled and sometimes my camera is
aiming at something else rather than the selected object.

 

 

From: Bill Gallik mailto:wfgal...@charter.net  

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Personally, I would much rather use DigitEyes for identifying specific,
in-hand products.


Holland's Boy, Bill
- Ideas are the beginning points of all fortunes.
- Napoleon Hill, American author in the area of the new thought movement,
1883-1970

- Original Message - 

From: Alan Paganelli mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee mailto:dmit...@taptapseeapp.com  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com
javascript: ] On Behalf Of TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a message
for subscription will appear.

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:

Hello

 

Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date of
purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or from
the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to Nov.
30rd?

 

Thanks

 

Donna 

 

Hello Debbie,

 

This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cara,

 

Do you have Talking Goggles on your phone? Not sure if you saw my example
where I used Talking Goggles and Tap Tap See on a 4L box of red wine.

 

Tap Tap See just came back with Jackson Triggs which is the name of the
winery. Talking Goggles came back with Jackson Triggs Cabernet Sauvignon
which obviously is much more useful and it also provided that using Still
Camera mode in about 2 seconds where as Tap Tap See took about 10 seconds to
return Jackson Triggs.

 

I am curious as to what you would get with Talking Goggles if you took a
picture of the same tin of tea under the same conditions (lighting, distance
and angle).

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Hi there, what Alan is saying is that though a result is sent, it may be
less than useful. I'll use my own recent experience as an example.

 

I was taking a shot of a tin of Republic of Tea Good Hope Vanilla. I in the
end, simply abandoned trying to get a confirmation that this was the tea I
had as the answers I continued to get were:

 

tin of tea

 

Can of food

 

Orange can

 

Republic of Tea

 

etc

 

I had the can in focus, the label in frame and wanted to verify that I did
have the Good Hope Vanilla tea. I have a vast amount of teas as I love love
love teas and coffees. So knowing which flavor I have of anything is really
important. I know that the tin is Republic of Tea, as I have several tins of
that brand of tea.

 

So Alan's concerns here are that we get relevant information and not just
information. Does this make sense?

 

I, like many here, have no problem with paying for a service as long as that
service is what we need.

 

So far, TapTapSee has been amazing and for me, that tea experience is
actually the first one I've seen where the app has failed. So I'm pretty
impressed. :)

 

So this is just a matter of working out the details so everyone can have the
proper results that will most benefit their particular needs.

 

Thanks for reading and have a nice day / weekend!

 

Smiles,

 

cara :)

On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:41 AM, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote:

 

Alan,

 

A successful identification occurs when a result gets sent back to you, as
opposed to a Failure to send message. We'll continue to monitor and
improve our identifications as time goes on. Accuracy and speed are always
the main focus for us.

 

Best Wishes,

On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:50:20 AM UTC-8, alanand...@earthlink.net
wrote:

Ok here's my question.  I may have to take several pictures moving the
iPhone forward, backward, left or right only to hear can of chili.  That's
helpful but not very informative.  If I under stand you then that would be a
successful image and thus I'd be charged for that picture when in reality,
I'm looking for can is Hormel Chili no beans.  I don't have a problem
paying.  I'm not looking for something for nothing.  I'm just concerned that
I get the information I need with out being over charged.  With the hundred
picture plan at 8 cents a picture and it takes me ten shots to get it right,
then it would cost me 80 cents just to find out what's inside that can.  The
same thing with boxes etc.  Box of cereal is not what I need to know.  Box
of Kellogg Frosted Flakes is.

---

 

Regards,

 

Alan

 

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

 

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 

Please click on: 
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 

From: TapTapSee javascript:  

To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:  

Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Paula, 

We'll be releasing an update in the next 5-7 days that will fix it to only
count the successful pictures. Meaning, the pictures that return an
identification to your phone.


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:40:37 PM UTC-8, Paula Jordan wrote: 

What about those pictures that come back as failed?  I was trying to get a
picture yesterday and got the message that the picture had timed out. There
were 5 or 6 of those timed out ones before I actually got the picture of the
shirt logo which was what I was looking for.  Would I be charged for the
failed pix if I use the 100 picture plan?

God bless!

Paula and Babe

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
TapTapSee
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 4:46 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

 

Donna,

It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th.
Then when you attempt

RE: TapTapSee

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with the comment box and also like the idea of a short list of
things one can specify with a check as somebody else suggested.
I also think this should definitely be a text comment box and not a recorded
question as in VisWiz, the information would transmit much faster and one
can always use SIRI to enter the question as text, given the fact that is
should be brief probably means SIRI Dictation would be very effective to
use. Once Tap Tap See has implemented the subscriptions and some money is
coming in I would hope that apart from the picture counter the comment box
would get high priority.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: TapTapSee

Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my
opinion.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to
add. Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that's not the only
problem some people have. It's also for some how many pics it takes to get
the right info even when doing everything right.
 
 For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it's
ground chicken.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their
fault that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear
and easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dawn Petty
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
should count. 
 
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec.
6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a
message for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date
of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or
from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to
Nov. 30rd?
 
 Thanks
 
 Donna
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible
to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100
picture package?
 
 Thank you!
 
 Debbie
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you
run out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G.,
M.D. wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
service in order to provide you with the high quality tags that you've come
to love and expect. The TapTapSee team is committed to improving the app
based on the customer feedback and suggestions. In the next few days a
message will pop up on the app that will present you with two option. Option
1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for
$9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:57:53 AM UTC-8, rubyalphonse wrote:
 Hi all, I am getting the message to purchase creditI was happy to have
this App, I will miss it very badlyI know, but, I feel if I have to
subscribe, I think of not using TapTapSee. But I'm very upset about this.
Why sudden change I wonder. Ruby
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Re: TapTapSee

[Joanne Chua]

as far as how to improve the clarity and the result for the image, what about 
having some sort of comment after the picture been process for fail picture?
Instead of having someting like blur picture, or fail image, what about if it 
have some fitback to the user, e.g., too close to the object, move a foot away 
from the object, or, poor lighting, take picture in a brighter environment, or, 
move your phone across to the left about 3 inch away from the object something 
like that...
Since every success image that got successfully send to the service will be 
going to be look by someone anyway, that might help to improve the user 
experience and improve the accuracy of the picture over time.

Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad

 On 10 Nov 2013, at 11:12, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I agree with the comment box and also like the idea of a short list of
 things one can specify with a check as somebody else suggested.
 I also think this should definitely be a text comment box and not a recorded
 question as in VisWiz, the information would transmit much faster and one
 can always use SIRI to enter the question as text, given the fact that is
 should be brief probably means SIRI Dictation would be very effective to
 use. Once Tap Tap See has implemented the subscriptions and some money is
 coming in I would hope that apart from the picture counter the comment box
 would get high priority.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of David Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:57 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Yes, you are absolutely correct, which makes a comment box essential in my
 opinion.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 12:48, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, the topic has been going on forever yes, but I have one thing to
 add. Not all blind people are bad at taking pics and that's not the only
 problem some people have. It's also for some how many pics it takes to get
 the right info even when doing everything right.
 
 For example 3 pics to say frozen meat and the 4th finally to tell you it's
 ground chicken.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Nov 9, 2013, at 6:31 PM, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on.  It's not their
 fault that blind people can't take the best pictures which are alway clear
 and easily recognizable.  This discussion is getting to be absolutely
 rediculous.  And that's my opinion.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Dawn Petty
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 4:51 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 what about pictures that are deemed blurry or unrecognizable?  will they
 count toward the 100 pictures?  I think only the ones that can be identified
 should count. 
 
 From: TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Donna,
 It goes from the date of purchase. As you said, i.e. Nov. 7th to Dec.
 6th. Then when you attempt to take another picture after those dates a
 message for subscription will appear.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:12:52 PM UTC-8, mermaid7100 wrote:
 Hello
 
 Does the monthly $9.99 unlimited pictures subscription go from the date
 of purchase to the same day the next month, ex. Nov. 7th to Dec. 6th? Or
 from the first day in the month to the last day in a month, ex. Nov. 1st to
 Nov. 30rd?
 
 Thanks
 
 Donna
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
 This is something someone else suggested today as well. It is definitely
 something that we'll look into for a future update. Thank you for the
 suggestion!
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:40:30 PM UTC-8, deb wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was just wondering if there is some sort of counter that is accessible
 to let you know how many pictures you have left if you purchase the 100
 picture package?
 
 Thank you!
 
 Debbie
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 No, it does not have an expiration date. That package is good until you
 run out of the 100 pictures.
 
 On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-8, Kramlinger, Keith G.,
 M.D. wrote:
 Will the 100 picture option have a time limit or expiration date?
 
 From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of TapTapSee
 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 12:48 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: TapTapSee
 
 Due to the high costs of image recognition, we were forced to change
 TapTapSee into a subscription based service. We will continue to improve our
 service in order to provide you with the high