Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Hi

Unfortunately it still talks with VO off. I can't really just turn VO
off every time I want to use it either as the inbuilt screen reader
doesn't work with search. VoiceOver doesn't work with search either,
so for me at least the apps a complete writeoff for now.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 2/10/18, Jesper Holten <jesper.hol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. Itr is truely anoying that is for sure. One thing I will try is to
> disable voiceover and then start the app, then turn Vo on again to see
> if it works. CUrrently my ssmall son has the controls so interrupting
> the watching is not such a good idea. Well, will try it in abit. Kind
> regards, Jesper.
>
> On 2/10/18, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, apples accessibility team will probably not do anything
>> about
>> this, since it is third-party apps. The best course of action is to
>> contact
>> google and or Verizon or Amazon.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious
>>> why these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps
>>> accessible by including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is
>>> perfectly
>>> accessible with Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility
>>> know
>>> about thios as well as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft
>>> starting Narrator on a Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option
>>> to
>>> turn it off.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Shai
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV
>>>
>>> Hello Ben,
>>> Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube
>>> app
>>> on the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does
>>> not seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets
>>> enabled when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that
>>> the
>>> parts of the app are accessible with the TTS at least and I could
>>> disable
>>> VoiceOver after getting into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a
>>> video starts playing if those controls are still accessible when
>>> VoiceOver
>>> is disabled.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of
>>>> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway
>>>> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't
>>>> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own
>>>> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll
>>>> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>>>>
>>>> My questions:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
>>>> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to
>>>> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't
>>>> think what.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ben.
>>>>
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Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Jesper Holten]

Hi. Itr is truely anoying that is for sure. One thing I will try is to
disable voiceover and then start the app, then turn Vo on again to see
if it works. CUrrently my ssmall son has the controls so interrupting
the watching is not such a good idea. Well, will try it in abit. Kind
regards, Jesper.

On 2/10/18, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, apples accessibility team will probably not do anything about
> this, since it is third-party apps. The best course of action is to contact
> google and or Verizon or Amazon.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious
>> why these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps
>> accessible by including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is perfectly
>> accessible with Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility know
>> about thios as well as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft
>> starting Narrator on a Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option to
>> turn it off.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Shai
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV
>>
>> Hello Ben,
>> Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube app
>> on the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does
>> not seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets
>> enabled when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that the
>> parts of the app are accessible with the TTS at least and I could disable
>> VoiceOver after getting into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a
>> video starts playing if those controls are still accessible when VoiceOver
>> is disabled.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of
>>> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway
>>> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't
>>> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own
>>> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll
>>> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>>>
>>> My questions:
>>>
>>> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
>>> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to
>>> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't
>>> think what.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
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Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, apples accessibility team will probably not do anything about 
this, since it is third-party apps. The best course of action is to contact 
google and or Verizon or Amazon.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious why 
> these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps accessible by 
> including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is perfectly accessible with 
> Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility know about thios as well 
> as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft starting Narrator on a 
> Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option to turn it off.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shai
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV
> 
> Hello Ben,
> Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube app  on 
> the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does not 
> seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets enabled 
> when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that the parts of 
> the app are accessible with the TTS at least and I could disable VoiceOver 
> after getting into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a video starts 
> playing if those controls are still accessible when VoiceOver is disabled.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of 
>> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway 
>> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't 
>> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own 
>> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll 
>> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>> 
>> My questions:
>> 
>> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
>> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to 
>> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't 
>> think what.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
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RE: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious why 
these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps accessible by 
including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is perfectly accessible with 
Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility know about thios as well 
as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft starting Narrator on a 
Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option to turn it off.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shai
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

Hello Ben,
Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube app  on 
the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does not seem 
like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets enabled when it 
detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that the parts of the app are 
accessible with the TTS at least and I could disable VoiceOver after getting 
into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a video starts playing if those 
controls are still accessible when VoiceOver is disabled.



On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <b...@benmr.com> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of 
> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway 
> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't 
> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own 
> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll 
> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>
> My questions:
>
> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to 
> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't 
> think what.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
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Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Shai]

Hello Ben,
Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube
app  on the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app,
it does not seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting
that gets enabled when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice
though that the parts of the app are accessible with the TTS at least
and I could disable VoiceOver after getting into the app. I am not
sure what occurs when a video starts playing if those controls are
still accessible when VoiceOver is disabled.



On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of
> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway
> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't
> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own
> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll
> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>
> My questions:
>
> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to
> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't
> think what.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
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