Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Robin,

You're welcome. I hope the instructions worked for you.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Robin Frost <robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> Thanks as always for your insightful contributions. They’re always 
> appreciated by me and I’m sure others as well.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Woody Anna Dresner <>
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:10 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List <>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> Hello,
>  
> Russ, yes, itunes file sharing still works.
>  
> Robin, yes, you can get custom ringtones on and off your phone. When your 
> phone is attached, find the list of items that starts with Summary, and move 
> down to the part of the list that shows what's on your phone. You'll 
> eventually get to Tones. You can delete one from there to remove it. To add 
> one, find it on your system, use the Copy command, go back to iTunes where it 
> says Tones, and paste. This works on a Mac, so I think it will also work in 
> Windows.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Robin Frost <robin...@gmail.com <>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Anna,
>> Have you worked with how one deals with custom ringtones under the new 
>> iTunes? I’m curious how one either gets them on or off one’s phone if anyone 
>> knows.  I haven’t tried yet but do have some tones that I did not get from 
>> Apple’s store that I use from time to time so was just curious.
>> Take good care.
>> Robin
>>  
>>  
>> From: Woody Anna Dresner <>
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:22 PM
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List <>
>> Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> File sharing is still there. When your iPHOne is connected, it's one of the 
>> options in the list, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>  
>>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there 
>>> seems to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the 
>>> sidebar, then I turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have 
>>> the same interface it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, 
>>> artist and album and then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected 
>>> anything in any of the 3 columns only the songs which apply.
>>> There are now only 5 media types as follows:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
>>> Movies, Control+2 also as before
>>> TV Shows, Control+3 as before
>>> Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
>>> Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I 
>>> think was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this 
>>> announcement in the future.
>>> You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know 
>>> these are now gone.
>>> I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more 
>>> accessible as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column 
>>> with genres so to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., 
>>> then the second column is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out 
>>> what the names here are, but after that I have a nice listview just as with 
>>> songs where all my movies appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the 
>>> title and a brief summary of the movie.
>>> When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek 
>>> Voyager Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them 
>>> together, but the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and 
>>> then again 1 to 26 for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with 
>>> episode number and title.
>>> I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it 
>>> asked me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the 
>>> information there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am 
>>> subscribed to using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can 
>>> arrow up and down through the episodes and have buttons for default 
>>> settings, settings and more, it all seems to be fine.
>>> Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and 
>>> seem accessible.
>>> I don’t have time now

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Robin Frost]

Hi Anna,
Thanks as always for your insightful contributions. They’re always appreciated 
by me and I’m sure others as well.
Take good care.
Robin


From: Woody Anna Dresner 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:10 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Hello,

Russ, yes, itunes file sharing still works.

Robin, yes, you can get custom ringtones on and off your phone. When your phone 
is attached, find the list of items that starts with Summary, and move down to 
the part of the list that shows what's on your phone. You'll eventually get to 
Tones. You can delete one from there to remove it. To add one, find it on your 
system, use the Copy command, go back to iTunes where it says Tones, and paste. 
This works on a Mac, so I think it will also work in Windows.

Best,
Anna



  On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Robin Frost <robin...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Hi Anna,
  Have you worked with how one deals with custom ringtones under the new 
iTunes? I’m curious how one either gets them on or off one’s phone if anyone 
knows.  I haven’t tried yet but do have some tones that I did not get from 
Apple’s store that I use from time to time so was just curious.
  Take good care.
  Robin


  From: Woody Anna Dresner 
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:22 PM
  To: VIPhone Mailing List 
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

  Hi, 

  File sharing is still there. When your iPHOne is connected, it's one of the 
options in the list, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.

  Best,
  Anna

On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there 
seems to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, 
then I turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same 
interface it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and 
album and then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in any 
of the 3 columns only the songs which apply.
There are now only 5 media types as follows:
 
 
Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
Movies, Control+2 also as before
TV Shows, Control+3 as before
Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I 
think was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this 
announcement in the future.
You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know 
these are now gone.
I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more 
accessible as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column 
with genres so to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then 
the second column is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what the 
names here are, but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs where 
all my movies appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title and a 
brief summary of the movie.
When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek 
Voyager Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them 
together, but the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and then 
again 1 to 26 for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with episode 
number and title.
I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it 
asked me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the 
information there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am 
subscribed to using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow up 
and down through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, settings 
and more, it all seems to be fine.
Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and 
seem accessible.
I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but 
I’ll do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far as 
the library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than before 
especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books sections.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
 
For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for 
me.
 
Richard
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
 
From the article I s

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello,

Russ, yes, itunes file sharing still works.

Robin, yes, you can get custom ringtones on and off your phone. When your phone 
is attached, find the list of items that starts with Summary, and move down to 
the part of the list that shows what's on your phone. You'll eventually get to 
Tones. You can delete one from there to remove it. To add one, find it on your 
system, use the Copy command, go back to iTunes where it says Tones, and paste. 
This works on a Mac, so I think it will also work in Windows.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Robin Frost <robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> Have you worked with how one deals with custom ringtones under the new 
> iTunes? I’m curious how one either gets them on or off one’s phone if anyone 
> knows.  I haven’t tried yet but do have some tones that I did not get from 
> Apple’s store that I use from time to time so was just curious.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>  
>  
> From: Woody Anna Dresner <>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:22 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List <>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> Hi,
>  
> File sharing is still there. When your iPHOne is connected, it's one of the 
> options in the list, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <>> wrote:
>>  
>> I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there 
>> seems to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, 
>> then I turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same 
>> interface it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and 
>> album and then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in 
>> any of the 3 columns only the songs which apply.
>> There are now only 5 media types as follows:
>>  
>>  
>> Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
>> Movies, Control+2 also as before
>> TV Shows, Control+3 as before
>> Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
>> Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I 
>> think was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this 
>> announcement in the future.
>> You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know 
>> these are now gone.
>> I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more 
>> accessible as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column 
>> with genres so to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then 
>> the second column is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what 
>> the names here are, but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs 
>> where all my movies appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title 
>> and a brief summary of the movie.
>> When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek 
>> Voyager Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them 
>> together, but the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and 
>> then again 1 to 26 for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with 
>> episode number and title.
>> I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it 
>> asked me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the 
>> information there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am 
>> subscribed to using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow 
>> up and down through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, 
>> settings and more, it all seems to be fine.
>> Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and seem 
>> accessible.
>> I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but 
>> I’ll do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far 
>> as the library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than 
>> before especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books 
>> sections.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  <> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <>] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <>
>> Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>>  
>> For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
>> At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for 
>> me.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
&g

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Russ Kiehne]

I would be interested in knowing if itunes file sharing is accessible with jaws?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there seems 
to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, then I 
turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same interface 
it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and album and 
then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in any of the 3 
columns only the songs which apply.

There are now only 5 media types as follows:

 

 

Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always

Movies, Control+2 also as before

TV Shows, Control+3 as before

Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same

Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I think 
was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this announcement 
in the future.

You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know these 
are now gone.

I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more accessible 
as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column with genres so 
to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then the second column 
is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what the names here are, 
but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs where all my movies 
appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title and a brief summary of 
the movie.

When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek Voyager 
Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them together, but 
the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and then again 1 to 26 
for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with episode number and title.

I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it asked 
me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the information 
there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am subscribed to 
using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow up and down 
through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, settings and more, 
it all seems to be fine.

Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and seem 
accessible.

I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but I’ll 
do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far as the 
library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than before 
especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books sections.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.

At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for me.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Robin Frost]

Hi Anna,
Have you worked with how one deals with custom ringtones under the new iTunes? 
I’m curious how one either gets them on or off one’s phone if anyone knows.  I 
haven’t tried yet but do have some tones that I did not get from Apple’s store 
that I use from time to time so was just curious.
Take good care.
Robin


From: Woody Anna Dresner 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:22 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Hi, 

File sharing is still there. When your iPHOne is connected, it's one of the 
options in the list, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.

Best,
Anna

  On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

  I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there seems 
to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, then I 
turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same interface 
it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and album and 
then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in any of the 3 
columns only the songs which apply.
  There are now only 5 media types as follows:
   
   
  Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
  Movies, Control+2 also as before
  TV Shows, Control+3 as before
  Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
  Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I 
think was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this 
announcement in the future.
  You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know 
these are now gone.
  I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more accessible 
as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column with genres so 
to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then the second column 
is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what the names here are, 
but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs where all my movies 
appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title and a brief summary of 
the movie.
  When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek 
Voyager Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them 
together, but the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and then 
again 1 to 26 for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with episode 
number and title.
  I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it asked 
me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the information 
there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am subscribed to 
using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow up and down 
through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, settings and more, 
it all seems to be fine.
  Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and seem 
accessible.
  I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but 
I’ll do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far as 
the library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than before 
especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books sections.
   
  Regards,
  Sieghard
   
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
   
  For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
  At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for 
me.
   
  Richard
   
   
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
  To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
   
  From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?
   
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
   
  Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.
   
   
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
  To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
   
  Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?
   
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
   
  The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

File sharing is still there. When your iPHOne is connected, it's one of the 
options in the list, along with Summary, Music, Movies, etc.

Best,
Anna

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there seems 
> to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, then I 
> turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same 
> interface it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and 
> album and then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in any 
> of the 3 columns only the songs which apply.
> There are now only 5 media types as follows:
>  
>  
> Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
> Movies, Control+2 also as before
> TV Shows, Control+3 as before
> Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
> Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I 
> think was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this 
> announcement in the future.
> You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know 
> these are now gone.
> I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more accessible 
> as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column with genres 
> so to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then the second 
> column is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what the names 
> here are, but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs where all 
> my movies appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title and a brief 
> summary of the movie.
> When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek 
> Voyager Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them 
> together, but the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and then 
> again 1 to 26 for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with episode 
> number and title.
> I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it asked 
> me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the information 
> there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am subscribed to 
> using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow up and down 
> through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, settings and 
> more, it all seems to be fine.
> Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and seem 
> accessible.
> I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but 
> I’ll do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far as 
> the library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than before 
> especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books sections.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>   <>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
> At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for 
> me.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroupscom <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
> itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
> sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
> Of Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroupscom <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
>  
> Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, Sep

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just updated last night and as far as my own music library goes there seems 
to be little difference for me. I still select “Songs” in the sidebar, then I 
turn on the column browser and hide the side bar and I have the same interface 
it seems where I have my columns/combo boxes for genre, artist and album and 
then a listview with all my songs or, if I selected anything in any of the 3 
columns only the songs which apply.
There are now only 5 media types as follows:


Music, shortcut is Control+1 as always
Movies, Control+2 also as before
TV Shows, Control+3 as before
Podcasts, Control+4 which I think is also the same
Audio Books, Control+5, this one is announced by Jaws as iTunes U which I think 
was on that shortcut before so of course Jaws needs to change this announcement 
in the future.
You used to have I think Apps on Control+7 and Tones, but as we all know these 
are now gone.
I just went to the Movies section and it actually seems to be more accessible 
as the column browser now seems to apply here, I have one column with genres so 
to speak, things like Action and Adventure, Comedy etc., then the second column 
is called artists as well, haven’t quite figured out what the names here are, 
but after that I have a nice listview just as with songs where all my movies 
appear one underneath another and Jaws reads the title and a brief summary of 
the movie.
When I go to TV Shows I only have one I ever bought and it is Star Trek Voyager 
Seasons 1 and 2, but as I bought them as a package it lists them together, but 
the list view again nicely shows each episode, 1 to 15 and then again 1 to 26 
for season 2, Jaws perfectly reads each episode with episode number and title.
I just went to the Podcasts section as well, since I never set it up it asked 
me to do so and using the Jaws Touch cursor it read me all the information 
there, I activated the continue button and the Podcasts I am subscribed to 
using the Podcasts app on my iPhone all showed up, I can arrow up and down 
through the episodes and have buttons for default settings, settings and more, 
it all seems to be fine.
Audio Books I only have a few in iTunes, but they also are read out and seem 
accessible.
I don’t have time now to connect my iPhone and play around with that, but I’ll 
do that tonight or over the weekend and take a look, certainly as far as the 
library goes I find this version of iTunes more accessible than before 
especially for the movies, TV Shows, Podcasts and Audio Books sections.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for me.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in develop

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Richard Turner]

For those having trouble accessing your music in the new iTunes, try NVDA.
At least it reads the artists or albums whereas Jaws isn’t reading them for me.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.
As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.
One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org<mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>; 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage boo

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Russ Kiehne]

From the article I saw posted, I got the impression you can no longer use 
itunes file sharing to transfer content to a app that supports itunes file 
sharing?  I hope I’m wrong?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple’s slate of product announcements, 
and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7
The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, it was in the article somebody posted.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.
As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.
One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org<mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>; 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. 

Re: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Russ Kiehne]

Do you know if you can still use file sharing in itunes 12.7?

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple’s slate of product announcements, 
and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7
The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

By now I'd imagine most of the people still on iOS 9 are on iOS 9 because
it's a better option than forking over additional cash for a new phone when
theirs works perfectly well, outside of the fact Apple has decided that no
new iOS for you. Unless you're still running a machine from nearly 15 years
ago, it's relatively trivial to get something newer than Windows XP running
on it, so there's less of an excuse for sticking with XP as there is
sticking with iOS 9. I'm fortunate enough to have a relatively new phone and
so the only thing stopping me from upgrading to iOS 11 is I see no reason to
do so right at the moment, but when iOS 13 or 14 comes out and Apple decides
I need to buy a new phone, I'll probably be one of the ones hanging back
because there's absolutely nothing wrong with this one.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Certainly not in a hurry as in not in the first few days is smart, but once
the bugs are worked out where I have a well-functioning device I would
certainly want to upgrade. After all, we all know that sooner or later
upgrading is not an option and I highly doubt Apple is bringing this stuff
back to iTunes so why draw out the inevitable especially if there are other
features in the OS which might be really nice to have. I do, for example,
not understand why anybody is still on iOS 9 at this point, but I'm sure a
few people are for whatever reason just as there are some people who still
use Windows XP.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry yo

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Entirely possible, at which point I'll start looking for alternatives.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn't be
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-file-downloads
-100735603-large.jpg> IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTu

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Eh. I've updated both ways, so I mean the apps thing won't annoy me too
much. I may go considerably longer between updates than I ordinarily would,
but I'm sure the world won't end. The only thing that will annoy me is Apple
will essentially force you to redownload all your apps if you restore your
phone for any reason... such as when iOS 11.0.1 comes out. I don't have a
bandwidth cap, by any means, but Apple's cloud restoration ideas have proven
historically less than reliable (see also: problems restoring from an iCloud
backup). It's why I really, really hope the ability to back up to your
computer never goes away, though it sounds like Apple's trying to make that
slightly more pointless.

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September-13-17 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that
part won't be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own
ringtones.

As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven't used that to manage apps in
a long time so as far as I am concerned I won't miss it. Yes, I know that
some Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in
case a new update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates
to manual on the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you
are really concerned.

What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that
to me doesn't make much sense since certainly people in developing countries
often don't even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the
Philippines which isn't even among the poorest countries and even there
people who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the
population in terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can't afford
an iPhone and they certainly don't have a computer or a home WiFi network.

As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the
Podcasts app but why Apple won't let you manage your books on the computer
is a mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away
from iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of
things, but having some of these options surely can't hurt, either.

One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned
that Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you
will see all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will
follow suit and this new app should really make it much easier to add and
manage files of all types on your device.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman





iTunes
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7
-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html> 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-e
verything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html> 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100
735602-large.jpg> IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Liz and LD Hope]

I just updated to the latest version of iTunes.  Yeah, there are changes,
but for what I use iTunes for, it does not affect me.  I figure updating is
going to be necessary sooner rather than later, so I did it.  

 

Liz Ulrich

and LD Hope

 

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RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Certainly not in a hurry as in not in the first few days is smart, but once the 
bugs are worked out where I have a well-functioning device I would certainly 
want to upgrade. After all, we all know that sooner or later upgrading is not 
an option and I highly doubt Apple is bringing this stuff back to iTunes so why 
draw out the inevitable especially if there are other features in the OS which 
might be really nice to have. I do, for example, not understand why anybody is 
still on iOS 9 at this point, but I’m sure a few people are for whatever reason 
just as there are some people who still use Windows XP.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]> On 
Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org<mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>; 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but inste

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Alan Lemly]

Just an added reason to not be in a hurry to upgrade to iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 1:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

 

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

 

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman

 

iTunes 12.7 appeared Tuesday 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
  following Apple’s slate of product announcements 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>
 , and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right 
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-yeah-right-100735602-large.jpg>
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from Apple. That can 
easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app choices. Many 
users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively modest, and this 
won’t be as big a hit.

There’s no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of 
restrictions on your internet service—whether in performance or limits—you 
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend without 
those limits. You’ll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to restore an 
iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple introduced 
many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with a Mac before 
iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were readily available. 
It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon in the area below the 
playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads 
<https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/09/itunes-12-7-file-downloads-100735603-large.jpg>
 IDG 

File Transfers remains, e

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Note to James: I assume it will not only be not practical but impossible to 
hold on to current iTunes version once iOS 11 comes out. I wouldn’t be 
surprised if iOS 11 would require the latest version of iTunes to work. Of 
course I could be wrong, it does happen once or twice a year *smile*.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org<mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>; 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>; 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman



iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS—unless you have multiple iOS 
devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or iPad. 
You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won’t transfer apps from 
your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from Apple. That can 
easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app choices. Many 
users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively modest, and this 
won’t be as big a hit.

There’s no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of 
restrictions on your internet service—whether in performance or limits—you 
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend without 
those limits. You’ll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to restore an 
iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple introduced 
many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with a Mac before 
iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were readily available. 
It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon in the area below the 
playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the navigation list at left.
[itunes 12 7 file downloads]IDG

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.

Other changes in iTunes 12.7

Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find 
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any 
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if 
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My 
Devic

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The article says you can still manage ringtones you have with iTunes so that 
part won’t be changed would be my interpretation. I think there would be a 
pretty big outcry if Apple did not at all allow users to add their own 
ringtones.
As for the app store in iTunes, well, I haven’t used that to manage apps in a 
long time so as far as I am concerned I won’t miss it. Yes, I know that some 
Voiceover users like to make sure they have backup copies of apps in case a new 
update breaks accessibility and this just means set app updates to manual on 
the iPhone and let somebody else take the plunge first if you are really 
concerned.
What the author said about developing countries and bandwwidth and all that to 
me doesn’t make much sense since certainly people in developing countries often 
don’t even have a computer let along a home WiFi. My wife is from the 
Philippines which isn’t even among the poorest countries and even there people 
who have an iPhone are usually in the top few percent of the population in 
terms of wealth, the large mass of people there can’t afford an iPhone and they 
certainly don’t have a computer or a home WiFi network.
As for iTunes U it does make sense for that to be in something like the 
Podcasts app but why Apple won’t let you manage your books on the computer is a 
mystery to me, too. I think there is a big trend towards getting away from 
iTunes and having your phone tethered to a computer for all sorts of things, 
but having some of these options surely can’t hurt, either.
One feature I am sure many of us will like is the new Files app in iTunes. I 
just downloaded a Dropbox update and in the Whats New section it mentioned that 
Dropbox in this updated added compatibility with the Files app so you will see 
all your Dropbox content in the Files app. I assume OneDrive will follow suit 
and this new app should really make it much easier to add and manage files of 
all types on your device.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes impractical.

Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own ringtones? 
Are we boned as of latest version?


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
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Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes
Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman



iTunes 12.7 appeared 
Tuesday<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224565/software-entertainment/itunes-12-7-for-mac-removes-ios-app-store.html>
 following Apple’s slate of product 
announcements<https://www.macworld.com/article/3224474/apple-phone/iphone-x-event-recap-everything-apple-announced-at-its-first-apple-park-event.html>,
 and its version number hides how much that’s disappeared and changed in this 
release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as are ringtones. iTunes U and 
Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes for Windows lost its ability to 
manage books in iOS.
[itunes 12 7 yeah right]IDG

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of fluff 
about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes’ feature creep over the years had made it 
an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn’t come with 
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause some 
difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low bandwidth caps, 
which can affect people across both the developed world (more the U.S. than 
elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a strange 
fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way to manage 
content. But you’ll have to adjust your behavior and find new places to carry 
out activities you might have before. Let’s go through the changes.

What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7

The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there’s nothing you can do about, so dry 
your tears and let’s move on. Apple doesn’t let it go neatly out the door, 
however. After updating, I found that 5GB of “.ipa” files—the file format for 
apps—remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes Library/Mobile 
Applications/). You can throw those away unless you’re nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in macOS 
to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won’t consume more 
bandw

RE: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

[James Homuth]

Note to self: hold on to current version of iTunes until it becomes
impractical.
 
Also: what does this mean for those of us who prefer to make our own
ringtones? Are we boned as of latest version?

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: September-13-17 10:59 AM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com;
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes



iTunes 12.7: How to cope with the abrupt changes

Macworld  /  Glenn Fleishman


iTunes
 12.7 appeared Tuesday following Apple
 's slate of
product announcements, and its version number hides how much that's
disappeared and changed in this release. The iOS App Store is wiped out, as
are ringtones. iTunes U and Internet Radio have moved locations. And iTunes
for Windows lost its ability to manage books in iOS.

 itunes 12 7 yeah right
 IDG 

The first time you launch iTunes 12.7, it gives you this hilarious bit of
fluff about the changes made.

While many people have argued iTunes' feature creep over the years had made
it an increasingly odd sack of unrelated items, this shift doesn't come with
commensurate improvements or additions elsewhere in macOS, and may cause
some difficulties for people with modest Internet throughput or low
bandwidth caps, which can affect people across both the developed world
(more the U.S. than elsewhere) and the developing one.

The biggest hit is to the iOS App Store in iTunes, which was always a
strange fit. iOS apps were in iTunes, because iTunes was once the only way
to manage content. But you'll have to adjust your behavior and find new
places to carry out activities you might have before. Let's go through the
changes.


What to do about no iOS apps in iTunes 12.7


The App Store in iTunes is kaput and there's nothing you can do about, so
dry your tears and let's move on. Apple doesn't let it go neatly out the
door, however. After updating, I found that 5GB of ".ipa" files-the file
format for apps-remained in my home directory (in ~/Music/iTunes
Library/Mobile Applications/). You can throw those away unless you're
nostalgic.

If you were used to syncing your apps via iTunes and making purchases in
macOS to sync back, that capability is now restricted to iOS. You won't
consume more bandwidth downloading an app via iOS than macOS-unless you have
multiple iOS devices syncing the same apps to a single Mac.

Where it will really hurt is if and when you need to restore an iPhone or
iPad. You can still perform iTunes backups, but the restore won't transfer
apps from your Mac, but instead re-download them over the Internet from
Apple. That can easily consume gigabytes of bandwidth, depending on your app
choices. Many users download few apps, or those apps that are relatively
modest, and this won't be as big a hit.

There's no way to bypass or minimize this problem. If you have any kinds of
restrictions on your internet service-whether in performance or limits-you
should consider using a public Wi-Fi hotspot or the Wi-Fi of a friend
without those limits. You'll need to plan ahead when you wipe and want to
restore an iOS device.

You might wonder what happened to File Transfers, a hack that Apple
introduced many years ago to allow iOS apps to sync data back and forth with
a Mac before iCloud Drive, Dropbox, Google Drive, and other methods were
readily available. It remains: with an iOS device connected, click its icon
in the area below the playback bar, and then click File Sharing in the
navigation list at left.

 itunes 12 7 file downloads
 IDG 

File Transfers remains, even though apps are gone.


Other changes in iTunes 12.7


Ringtones are no longer managed as purchases in iTunes, but you can find
previously downloaded ones and manage those in iTunes. Apple says any
downloaded ringtones are in the ~/Music/iTunes Library/Tones/ folder. And if
you select your device in iTunes, you can click the Tones item under On My
Device to remove and add them.

In iOS 11, coming shortly, Apple will let you
 re-downloaded previously
purchased ringtones and manage them directly on the device.

 itunes 12 7 internet radio
 IDG 

You can pick what shows up in the music library sidebar, including Internet
Radio.

iTunes U content was moved to podcasts in iTunes, while Internet Radio is
now part of the music library sidebar. If you're not seeing Internet